Is this a printing mistake?

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Dear Members;

Is this a printing mistake?

My query pertains to the line in CAPITAL APLPHABETS.

Page 38 1952 GRAH PHAL V RASHI PHAL

 

Jab koi grah apni mukkarrar rashi (yani wah rashi jiske ghar

ka malik wah gina jata ) ya oonch neech phal ke liye thahraiyee hui rashi ya

apne pakke ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja baithe ya kissi doosre

“grah ka saathi grah” (jad adla badli karne wala wagairah) ban jaave. To wah

aaisi halat mein rashi phal ya shaqi halat ka grah hoga jiske bure asar se

bachne ke liye shaq ka faida uthaya ja sakta hai.  ISKE BARKHILAF YANI UPAR KAHI HUI HALAT KE

ULLAT HAAL PAR JABKI WAH NA OONCH NA NEECH NA GHAR KA AUR NA HI PAKKE GHAR KA

SAABIT HO TO WAH GRAH “GRAH PHAL” YA PAKKKI HALAT KA

HOGA JISKA ASAR HAMESHA KE LIYE MUKKARRAR HAI…….RegardsKulbir Bains

[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbir bhai,

 

There is no printing mistake as compared with the 1952 urdu edition:

 

“ jab ki vah na oonch neech na ghar ka aur na hi pakke ghar ka sabit ho to vah

grah ‘grah phal’ ya pakki halat ka grah hoga, jiska asar hamesha ke liye

muqarrar ho chuka haiâ€

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> Dear Members;

>

> Is this a printing mistake?

>

> My query pertains to the line in CAPITAL APLPHABETS.

>

> Page 38 1952 GRAH PHAL V RASHI PHAL

>

>

>

> Jab koi grah apni mukkarrar rashi (yani wah rashi jiske ghar ka malik wah

> gina jata ) ya oonch neech phal ke liye thahraiyee hui rashi ya apne pakke

> ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja baithe ya kissi doosre �grah ka

> saathi grah� (jad adla badli karne wala wagairah) ban jaave. To wah aaisi

> halat mein rashi phal ya shaqi halat ka grah hoga jiske bure asar se bachne

> ke liye shaq ka faida uthaya ja sakta hai. * ISKE BARKHILAF YANI UPAR KAHI

> HUI HALAT KE ULLAT HAAL PAR JABKI WAH* *NA OONCH NA NEECH NA GHAR KA AUR NA

> HI PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO* *TO WAH GRAH �GRAH PHAL�* YA PAKKKI HALAT KA

> HOGA JISKA ASAR HAMESHA KE LIYE MUKKARRAR HAI��.

>

> Regards

>

> Kulbir Bains

>

[Guest guest]

Dear All; Let me arrange it as follows;Jab koi grahi-�apni mukkarrar rashi (yani wah rashi jiske ghar ka malik wah gina jata haiyaii-oonch neech phal ke liye thahraiyee hui rashi

yaiii-apne pakke ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja baithe�yaiv-kissi doosre �grah ka saathi grah� (jad adla badli karne wala wagairah) ban jaave.To wah aaisi halat mein rashi phal ya shaqi halat ka grah hoga jiske bure asar se bachne ke liye shaq ka faida uthaya ja sakta hai.

�ISKE BARKHILAF YANI UPAR KAHI HUI HALAT KE ULLAT HAAL PAR JABKI WAHI-NA OONCH NA NEECH�

II-NA GHAR KA

III-�NA HI PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO

 

TO WAH GRAH �GRAH PHAL��YA PAKKKI HALAT KA HOGA JISKA ASAR HAMESHA KE LIYE MUKKARRAR HAI��.

 

REGARDS

Kulbir Bains.

 

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:

 

 

�

 

 

 

Dear Members;

Is this a printing mistake?

My query pertains to the line in CAPITAL APLPHABETS.

Page 38 1952 GRAH PHAL V RASHI PHAL

�

Jab koi grah apni mukkarrar rashi (yani wah rashi jiske ghar

ka malik wah gina jata ) ya oonch neech phal ke liye thahraiyee hui rashi ya

apne pakke ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja baithe ya kissi doosre

�grah ka saathi grah� (jad adla badli karne wala wagairah) ban jaave. To wah

aaisi halat mein rashi phal ya shaqi halat ka grah hoga jiske bure asar se

bachne ke liye shaq ka faida uthaya ja sakta hai.� ISKE BARKHILAF YANI UPAR KAHI HUI HALAT KE

ULLAT HAAL PAR JABKI WAH NA OONCH NA NEECH NA GHAR KA AUR NA HI PAKKE GHAR KA

SAABIT HO TO WAH GRAH �GRAH PHAL� YA PAKKKI HALAT KA

HOGA JISKA ASAR HAMESHA KE LIYE MUKKARRAR HAI��.RegardsKulbir Bains

[Guest guest]

Dear Varun ji,�Let me arrange it as follows;

Jab koi grahi-�apni mukkarrar rashi (yani wah rashi jiske ghar ka malik wah gina jata haiyaii-oonch neech phal ke liye thahraiyee hui rashiyaiii-apne pakke ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja baithe�

yaiv-kissi doosre �grah ka saathi grah� (jad adla badli karne wala wagairah) ban jaave.To wah aaisi halat mein rashi phal ya shaqi halat ka grah hoga jiske bure asar se bachne ke liye shaq ka faida uthaya ja sakta hai.

�ISKE BARKHILAF YANI UPAR KAHI HUI HALAT KE ULLAT HAAL PAR JABKI WAHI-NA OONCH NA NEECH�

II-NA GHAR KA

III-�NA HI PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO

 

TO WAH GRAH �GRAH PHAL��YA PAKKKI HALAT KA HOGA JISKA ASAR HAMESHA KE LIYE MUKKARRAR HAI��.

Bhai ji lagta hai maine kuch zyada hi laga li hai, my head is spinning, Kindly explain me, are both the conditions consistent.

RegardsKulbir Bains

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 6:54 PM, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

 

�

 

 

 

Dear Kulbir bhai,

 

There is no printing mistake as compared with the 1952 urdu edition:

 

“ jab ki vah na oonch neech na ghar ka aur na hi pakke ghar ka sabit ho to vah grah ‘grah phal’ ya pakki halat ka grah hoga, jiska asar hamesha ke liye muqarrar ho chuka hai��

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> Dear Members;

>

> Is this a printing mistake?

>

> My query pertains to the line in CAPITAL APLPHABETS.

>

> Page 38 1952 GRAH PHAL V RASHI PHAL

>

>

>

> Jab koi grah apni mukkarrar rashi (yani wah rashi jiske ghar ka malik wah

> gina jata ) ya oonch neech phal ke liye thahraiyee hui rashi ya apne pakke

> ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja baithe ya kissi doosre �grah ka

> saathi grah� (jad adla badli karne wala wagairah) ban jaave. To wah aaisi

> halat mein rashi phal ya shaqi halat ka grah hoga jiske bure asar se bachne

> ke liye shaq ka faida uthaya ja sakta hai. * ISKE BARKHILAF YANI UPAR KAHI

> HUI HALAT KE ULLAT HAAL PAR JABKI WAH* *NA OONCH NA NEECH NA GHAR KA AUR NA

> HI PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO* *TO WAH GRAH �GRAH PHAL�* YA PAKKKI HALAT KA

> HOGA JISKA ASAR HAMESHA KE LIYE MUKKARRAR HAI��.

>

> Regards

>

> Kulbir Bains

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Varun ji,�I think first condition should be read as{�i-�apni mukkarrar rashi (yani wah rashi jiske ghar ka malik wah gina jata hai�ya�ii-oonch neech phal ke liye thahraiyee hui rashi�ya�iii-apne pakke ghar} � ----- �ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja baithe��pakke ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja baithe.

Bhai ji bas yeh batao ki Grah rashiphal ka kab hoga aur grahphal ka kab.

RegardsKulbir bains.

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:

Dear Varun ji,�Let me arrange it as follows;

Jab koi grahi-�apni mukkarrar rashi (yani wah rashi jiske ghar ka malik wah gina jata haiyaii-oonch neech phal ke liye thahraiyee hui rashiyaiii-apne pakke ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja baithe�

yaiv-kissi doosre �grah ka saathi grah� (jad adla badli karne wala wagairah) ban jaave.To wah aaisi halat mein rashi phal ya shaqi halat ka grah hoga jiske bure asar se bachne ke liye shaq ka faida uthaya ja sakta hai.

�ISKE BARKHILAF YANI UPAR KAHI HUI HALAT KE ULLAT HAAL PAR JABKI WAHI-NA OONCH NA NEECH�

II-NA GHAR KA

III-�NA HI PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO

 

TO WAH GRAH �GRAH PHAL��YA PAKKKI HALAT KA HOGA JISKA ASAR HAMESHA KE LIYE MUKKARRAR HAI��.

Bhai ji lagta hai maine kuch zyada hi laga li hai, my head is spinning, Kindly explain me, are both the conditions consistent.

RegardsKulbir Bains

 

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 6:54 PM, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

 

 

�

 

 

 

Dear Kulbir bhai,

 

There is no printing mistake as compared with the 1952 urdu edition:

 

“ jab ki vah na oonch neech na ghar ka aur na hi pakke ghar ka sabit ho to vah grah ‘grah phal’ ya pakki halat ka grah hoga, jiska asar hamesha ke liye muqarrar ho chuka hai��

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> Dear Members;

>

> Is this a printing mistake?

>

> My query pertains to the line in CAPITAL APLPHABETS.

>

> Page 38 1952 GRAH PHAL V RASHI PHAL

>

>

>

> Jab koi grah apni mukkarrar rashi (yani wah rashi jiske ghar ka malik wah

> gina jata ) ya oonch neech phal ke liye thahraiyee hui rashi ya apne pakke

> ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja baithe ya kissi doosre �grah ka

> saathi grah� (jad adla badli karne wala wagairah) ban jaave. To wah aaisi

> halat mein rashi phal ya shaqi halat ka grah hoga jiske bure asar se bachne

> ke liye shaq ka faida uthaya ja sakta hai. * ISKE BARKHILAF YANI UPAR KAHI

> HUI HALAT KE ULLAT HAAL PAR JABKI WAH* *NA OONCH NA NEECH NA GHAR KA AUR NA

> HI PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO* *TO WAH GRAH �GRAH PHAL�* YA PAKKKI HALAT KA

> HOGA JISKA ASAR HAMESHA KE LIYE MUKKARRAR HAI��.

>

> Regards

>

> Kulbir Bains

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbir bhai,

 

Jab koi grah :

 

[1]

 

[a] apni mukkarrar rashi (yani wah rashi jiske ghar ka malik wah gina jata hai

 

Then the planet is likely to be [not necessarily]of grah phal e.g Mars for the 1st and the 8th house, mercury in 6th]

 

oonch neech phal ke liye thahraiyee hui rashi

[ if oonch then likely to be of grah phal e.g mercury in 6th; but if neech then of rasi phal e.g. mars in 4th, sun in 7th, mercury in 12th]

[c] apne pakke ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja baithe

Then the planet can be either of grah phal e.g. Saturn in 3rd or of rasi phal e.g. mercury and ketu in 10th.

[d] kissi doosre grah ka saathi grah (jad adla badli karne wala wagairah) ban jaave.

The exchange will not affect the identity of a planet in terms of grah phal or rasi phal.

[2]

‘Na oonch na neech, na ghar ka, na hi pakke ghar ka’ will be of grah phal

[a] na oonch na neech

Not true. Sun is neech in the 7th and is of rasi phal

na ghar ka

Not true. Jupiter is a ghar ka grah for the 5th house and is of Grah phal in the 5th.

A ghar ka grah is known as pakke ghar ka grah e.g the 7th house is a pakka ghar of venus and mercury; therefore venus and mercury will be known as ghar ka grah of the 7th house,

Grah ka ghar is a different term. It means the house owned by the planet e.g. Mars for the 1st & 8th house, venus for the 2nd & 7th , mercury for the 3rd & 6th and so on.

Therefore Jupiter will be the ghar ka grah for the 2nd house where as the 2nd house will be known as the grah ka ghar for venus.

[c] na hi pakke ghar ka sabit ho

Not true. 4th house is a pakka ghar of the moon and is also of grah phal in that house.

You are right. The two conditions are not only inconsistent; they are wayward too.

Even otherwise I do not go by these definitions; instead I go by the table given on page 51 of the 1952 urdu edition.

Regards,

Varun Trivedi

, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:>> Dear Varun ji,> I think first condition should be read as> { i- apni mukkarrar rashi (yani wah rashi jiske ghar ka malik wah gina jata> hai ya ii-oonch neech phal ke liye thahraiyee hui rashi ya iii-apne pakke> ghar} ----- ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja baithe pakke ghar ki> bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja baithe.> > Bhai ji bas yeh batao ki Grah rashiphal ka kab hoga aur grahphal ka kab.> Regards> Kulbir bains.> > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb wrote:> > > Dear Varun ji,> > Let me arrange it as follows;> >> > Jab koi grah> > i- apni mukkarrar rashi (yani wah rashi jiske ghar ka malik wah gina jata> > hai> > ya> > ii-oonch neech phal ke liye thahraiyee hui rashi> > ya> > iii-apne pakke ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja baithe> > ya> > iv-kissi doosre �grah ka saathi grah� (jad adla badli karne wala wagairah)> > ban jaave.> >> > To wah aaisi halat mein rashi phal ya shaqi halat ka grah hoga jiske bure> > asar se bachne ke liye shaq ka faida uthaya ja sakta hai.> >> > * ISKE BARKHILAF YANI UPAR KAHI HUI HALAT KE ULLAT HAAL PAR JABKI WAH*> > *I-NA OONCH NA NEECH *> > *II-NA GHAR KA*> > *III- NA HI PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO*> > *> > *> > *TO WAH GRAH �GRAH PHAL� YA PAKKKI HALAT KA HOGA JISKA ASAR HAMESHA KE> > LIYE MUKKARRAR HAI��.*> > *> > *> > *Bhai ji lagta hai maine kuch zyada hi laga li hai, my head is spinning,> > Kindly explain me, are both the conditions consistent.*> > *Regards*> > *Kulbir Bains*> >> > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 6:54 PM, varun_trvd varun_trvdwrote:> >> >>> >>> >> Dear Kulbir bhai,> >>> >> There is no printing mistake as compared with the 1952 urdu edition:> >>> >> “ jab ki vah na oonch neech na ghar ka aur na hi pakke ghar ka sabit ho> >> to vah grah ‘grah phal’ ya pakki halat ka grah hoga, jiska asar hamesha> >> ke liye muqarrar ho chuka hai��> >>> >> Regards,> >>> >> Varun Trivedi> >>> >> <%40>,> >> Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:> >> >> >> > Dear Members;> >> >> >> > Is this a printing mistake?> >> >> >> > My query pertains to the line in CAPITAL APLPHABETS.> >> >> >> > Page 38 1952 GRAH PHAL V RASHI PHAL> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Jab koi grah apni mukkarrar rashi (yani wah rashi jiske ghar ka malik> >> wah> >> > gina jata ) ya oonch neech phal ke liye thahraiyee hui rashi ya apne> >> pakke> >> > ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja baithe ya kissi doosre> >> �grah ka> >> > saathi grah� (jad adla badli karne wala wagairah) ban jaave. To wah> >> aaisi> >> > halat mein rashi phal ya shaqi halat ka grah hoga jiske bure asar se> >> bachne> >> > ke liye shaq ka faida uthaya ja sakta hai. * ISKE BARKHILAF YANI UPAR> >> KAHI> >> > HUI HALAT KE ULLAT HAAL PAR JABKI WAH* *NA OONCH NA NEECH NA GHAR KA AUR> >> NA> >> > HI PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO* *TO WAH GRAH �GRAH PHAL�* YA PAKKKI> >> HALAT KA> >> > HOGA JISKA ASAR HAMESHA KE LIYE MUKKARRAR HAI��.> >> >> >> > Regards> >> >> >> > Kulbir Bains> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kubir bhai,

My answers in Red

, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:>> Dear Varun ji;> > Rashiphal condition -apne pakke ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja> baithe.

Yes. A planet can not be of Rasi phal in its pakka ghar

> Grahphal condition - *NA HI PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO.*

NO. 4th house is a pakka ghar of Moon and it is of Grah Phal there

 

> ***Apne pakke ghar ki bajaiye kissis aur gair rashi mein ja baithe. Means> Pakke ghar ka saabit na ho.*

 

> *Na hi pakke ghar ka sabit ho means apne pakke ghar ki jagah kissi gair> rashi mein baith jaye.*> *> *> *What is the crux?*> *Regards*> *Kulbir Bains.*> *> *> *> *> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb wrote:> > > Dear Varun ji,> > Let me arrange it as follows;> >> > Jab koi grah> > i- apni mukkarrar rashi (yani wah rashi jiske ghar ka malik wah gina jata> > hai> > ya> > ii-oonch neech phal ke liye thahraiyee hui rashi> > ya> > iii-apne pakke ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja baithe> > ya> > iv-kissi doosre �grah ka saathi grah� (jad adla badli karne wala wagairah)> > ban jaave.> >> > To wah aaisi halat mein rashi phal ya shaqi halat ka grah hoga jiske bure> > asar se bachne ke liye shaq ka faida uthaya ja sakta hai.> >> > * ISKE BARKHILAF YANI UPAR KAHI HUI HALAT KE ULLAT HAAL PAR JABKI WAH*> > *I-NA OONCH NA NEECH *> > *II-NA GHAR KA*> > *III- NA HI PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO*> > *> > *> > *TO WAH GRAH �GRAH PHAL� YA PAKKKI HALAT KA HOGA JISKA ASAR HAMESHA KE> > LIYE MUKKARRAR HAI��.*> > *> > *> > *Bhai ji lagta hai maine kuch zyada hi laga li hai, my head is spinning,> > Kindly explain me, are both the conditions consistent.*> > *Regards*> > *Kulbir Bains*> >> > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 6:54 PM, varun_trvd varun_trvdwrote:> >> >>> >>> >> Dear Kulbir bhai,> >>> >> There is no printing mistake as compared with the 1952 urdu edition:> >>> >> “ jab ki vah na oonch neech na ghar ka aur na hi pakke ghar ka sabit ho> >> to vah grah ‘grah phal’ ya pakki halat ka grah hoga, jiska asar hamesha> >> ke liye muqarrar ho chuka hai��> >>> >> Regards,> >>> >> Varun Trivedi> >>> >> <%40>,> >> Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:> >> >> >> > Dear Members;> >> >> >> > Is this a printing mistake?> >> >> >> > My query pertains to the line in CAPITAL APLPHABETS.> >> >> >> > Page 38 1952 GRAH PHAL V RASHI PHAL> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Jab koi grah apni mukkarrar rashi (yani wah rashi jiske ghar ka malik> >> wah> >> > gina jata ) ya oonch neech phal ke liye thahraiyee hui rashi ya apne> >> pakke> >> > ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja baithe ya kissi doosre> >> �grah ka> >> > saathi grah� (jad adla badli karne wala wagairah) ban jaave. To wah> >> aaisi> >> > halat mein rashi phal ya shaqi halat ka grah hoga jiske bure asar se> >> bachne> >> > ke liye shaq ka faida uthaya ja sakta hai. * ISKE BARKHILAF YANI UPAR> >> KAHI> >> > HUI HALAT KE ULLAT HAAL PAR JABKI WAH* *NA OONCH NA NEECH NA GHAR KA AUR> >> NA> >> > HI PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO* *TO WAH GRAH �GRAH PHAL�* YA PAKKKI> >> HALAT KA> >> > HOGA JISKA ASAR HAMESHA KE LIYE MUKKARRAR HAI��.> >> >> >> > Regards> >> >> >> > Kulbir Bains> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Sir ji;Rsahiphal condition- Apne pakke ghar ki bajaiye kissis aur gair rashi mein ja baithe. Means Pakke ghar ka saabit na ho. Grahphal condition -Na hi pakke ghar ka sabit ho means apne pakke ghar ki jagah kissi gair rashi mein baith jaye.Dono lines mein farq kya hai?,

mujhe to yaksa matalab hi nikla jaan padta hai. to grahphal aur rashiphal mein kya farq samjha jaye.Regards

Kulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:varun_trvd <varun_trvdLK discussion group Re: Is this a printing mistake? Date: Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 3:38 PM

 

 

Dear Kubir bhai,

My answers in Red

, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Varun ji;> > Rashiphal condition -apne pakke ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja> baithe.

Yes. A planet can not be of Rasi phal in its pakka ghar

> Grahphal condition - *NA HI PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO.*

NO. 4th house is a pakka ghar of Moon and it is of Grah Phal there

 

> ***Apne pakke ghar ki bajaiye kissis aur gair rashi mein ja baithe. Means> Pakke ghar ka saabit na ho.*

 

> *Na hi pakke ghar ka sabit ho means apne pakke ghar ki jagah kissi gair> rashi mein baith jaye.*> *> *> *What is the crux?*> *Regards*> *Kulbir Bains.*> *> *> *> *> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@. .. wrote:> > > Dear Varun ji,> > Let me arrange it as follows;> >> > Jab koi grah> > i- apni mukkarrar rashi (yani wah rashi jiske ghar ka malik wah gina jata> > hai> > ya> > ii-oonch neech phal ke liye thahraiyee hui rashi> > ya> > iii-apne pakke ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja baithe> > ya> > iv-kissi doosre �grah ka saathi grah� (jad adla badli karne wala wagairah)> > ban jaave.> >> > To wah aaisi halat mein rashi phal ya shaqi halat ka grah hoga jiske bure>

> asar se bachne ke liye shaq ka faida uthaya ja sakta hai.> >> > * ISKE BARKHILAF YANI UPAR KAHI HUI HALAT KE ULLAT HAAL PAR JABKI WAH*> > *I-NA OONCH NA NEECH *> > *II-NA GHAR KA*> > *III- NA HI PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO*> > *> > *> > *TO WAH GRAH �GRAH PHAL� YA PAKKKI HALAT KA HOGA JISKA ASAR HAMESHA KE> > LIYE MUKKARRAR HAI��.*> > *> > *> > *Bhai ji lagta hai maine kuch zyada hi laga li hai, my head is spinning,> > Kindly explain me, are both the conditions consistent.*> > *Regards*> > *Kulbir Bains*> >> > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 6:54 PM, varun_trvd varun_trvd@. ..wrote:> >> >>> >>> >> Dear Kulbir bhai,> >>> >> There is no printing mistake as compared with the 1952 urdu edition:>

>>> >> “ jab ki vah na oonch neech na ghar ka aur na hi pakke ghar ka sabit ho> >> to vah grah ‘grah phal’ ya pakki halat ka grah hoga, jiska asar hamesha> >> ke liye muqarrar ho chuka hai��> >>> >> Regards,> >>> >> Varun Trivedi> >>> >> < %40. com>,> >> Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:> >> >> >> > Dear Members;> >> >> >> > Is this a printing mistake?> >> >> >> > My query pertains to the line in CAPITAL APLPHABETS.> >> >> >> > Page 38 1952 GRAH PHAL V RASHI PHAL> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Jab koi grah apni mukkarrar rashi (yani

wah rashi jiske ghar ka malik> >> wah> >> > gina jata ) ya oonch neech phal ke liye thahraiyee hui rashi ya apne> >> pakke> >> > ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja baithe ya kissi doosre> >> �grah ka> >> > saathi grah� (jad adla badli karne wala wagairah) ban jaave. To wah> >> aaisi> >> > halat mein rashi phal ya shaqi halat ka grah hoga jiske bure asar se> >> bachne> >> > ke liye shaq ka faida uthaya ja sakta hai. * ISKE BARKHILAF YANI UPAR> >> KAHI> >> > HUI HALAT KE ULLAT HAAL PAR JABKI WAH* *NA OONCH NA NEECH NA GHAR KA AUR> >> NA> >> > HI PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO* *TO WAH GRAH �GRAH PHAL�* YA PAKKKI> >> HALAT KA> >> > HOGA JISKA ASAR HAMESHA KE LIYE MUKKARRAR HAI��.> >>

>> >> > Regards> >> >> >> > Kulbir Bains> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >>

 

 

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Dear Kulbir bhai,

my answer in blue at the end

, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote:>> Sir ji;Rsahiphal condition- Apne pakke ghar ki bajaiye kissis aur gair rashi mein ja baithe. Means Pakke ghar ka saabit na ho.

Grahphal condition -Na hi pakke ghar ka sabit ho means apne pakke ghar ki jagah kissi gair rashi mein baith jaye.

Dono lines mein farq kya hai?, mujhe to yaksa matalab hi nikla jaan padta hai. to grahphal aur rashiphal mein kya farq samjha jaye.

There is a mistake in the urdu edition itself. In the condition for Grah Phal the line ' na hi pakke ghar ka sabit ho' in incorrect. In my earlier massage I have given the example of Moon which when in its pakka ghar 4th is of Grah Phal.

Therefore the line instead should read ' aur pakke ghar ka sabit ho'. This condition will be true in all cases except for Saturn in the 3rd and Sun in the 5th. 3rd house is not a pakka ghar of Saturn still it is of Grah Phal. It is only for financial matters that Saturn in the 3rd is treated that of rasi phal.

Similarly, 5th house is not a pakka ghar of the Sun and still it is of grah phal.

Regards,

Varun Trivedi

 

> Regards> > Kulbir Bains> > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, varun_trvd varun_trvd wrote:> > varun_trvd varun_trvd LK discussion group Re: Is this a printing mistake?> > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 3:38 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kubir bhai,> My answers in Red> > , Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ ..> wrote:> >> > Dear Varun ji;> >> > Rashiphal condition -apne pakke ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja> > baithe.> Yes. A planet can not be of Rasi phal in its pakka ghar> > > Grahphal condition - *NA HI PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO.*> > NO. 4th house is a pakka ghar of Moon and it is of Grah Phal there> > > > ***Apne pakke ghar ki bajaiye kissis aur gair rashi mein ja baithe. Means> > Pakke ghar ka saabit na ho.*> > > > *Na hi pakke ghar ka sabit ho means apne pakke ghar ki jagah kissi gair> > rashi mein baith jaye.*> > *> > *> > *What is the crux?*> > *Regards*> > *Kulbir Bains.*> > *> > *> > *> > *> > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ .. wrote:> >> > > Dear Varun ji,> > > Let me arrange it as follows;> > >> > > Jab koi grah> > > i- apni mukkarrar rashi (yani wah rashi jiske ghar ka malik wah gina jata> > > hai> > > ya> > > ii-oonch neech phal ke liye thahraiyee hui rashi> > > ya> > > iii-apne pakke ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja baithe> > > ya> > > iv-kissi doosre �grah ka saathi grah� (jad adla badli karne wala wagairah)> > > ban jaave.> > >> > > To wah aaisi halat mein rashi phal ya shaqi halat ka grah hoga jiske bure> > > asar se bachne ke liye shaq ka faida uthaya ja sakta hai.> > >> > > * ISKE BARKHILAF YANI UPAR KAHI HUI HALAT KE ULLAT HAAL PAR JABKI WAH*> > > *I-NA OONCH NA NEECH *> > > *II-NA GHAR KA*> > > *III- NA HI PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO*> > > *> > > *> > > *TO WAH GRAH �GRAH PHAL� YA PAKKKI HALAT KA HOGA JISKA ASAR HAMESHA KE> > > LIYE MUKKARRAR HAI��.*> > > *> > > *> > > *Bhai ji lagta hai maine kuch zyada hi laga li hai, my head is spinning,> > > Kindly explain me, are both the conditions consistent.*> > > *Regards*> > > *Kulbir Bains*> > >> > > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 6:54 PM, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ ..wrote:> > >> > >>> > >>> > >> Dear Kulbir bhai,> > >>> > >> There is no printing mistake as compared with the 1952 urdu edition:> > >>> > >> â€Å" jab ki vah na oonch neech na ghar ka aur na hi pakke ghar ka sabit ho> > >> to vah grah ‘grah phal’ ya pakki halat ka grah hoga, jiska asar hamesha> > >> ke liye muqarrar ho chuka hai��> > >>> > >> Regards,> > >>> > >> Varun Trivedi> > >>> > >> < %40. com>,> > >> Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:> > >> >> > >> > Dear Members;> > >> >> > >> > Is this a printing mistake?> > >> >> > >> > My query pertains to the line in CAPITAL APLPHABETS.> > >> >> > >> > Page 38 1952 GRAH PHAL V RASHI PHAL> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > Jab koi grah apni mukkarrar rashi (yani wah rashi jiske ghar ka malik> > >> wah> > >> > gina jata ) ya oonch neech phal ke liye thahraiyee hui rashi ya apne> > >> pakke> > >> > ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja baithe ya kissi doosre> > >> �grah ka> > >> > saathi grah� (jad adla badli karne wala wagairah) ban jaave. To wah> > >> aaisi> > >> > halat mein rashi phal ya shaqi halat ka grah hoga jiske bure asar se> > >> bachne> > >> > ke liye shaq ka faida uthaya ja sakta hai. * ISKE BARKHILAF YANI UPAR> > >> KAHI> > >> > HUI HALAT KE ULLAT HAAL PAR JABKI WAH* *NA OONCH NA NEECH NA GHAR KA AUR> > >> NA> > >> > HI PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO* *TO WAH GRAH �GRAH PHAL�* YA PAKKKI> > >> HALAT KA> > >> > HOGA JISKA ASAR HAMESHA KE LIYE MUKKARRAR HAI��.> > >> >> > >> > Regards> > >> >> > >> > Kulbir Bains> > >> >> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/>

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Dear Varun ji,Thanks a lot;Sometimes Antics are required to deliver home such very very important issues.Regards

Kulbir Bains--- On Thu, 11/3/10, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:varun_trvd <varun_trvdLK discussion group Re: Is this a printing mistake? Date: Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 5:09 PM

 

 

Dear Kulbir bhai,

my answer in blue at the end

, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@. ..> wrote:>> Sir ji;Rsahiphal condition- Apne pakke ghar ki bajaiye kissis aur gair rashi mein ja baithe. Means Pakke ghar ka saabit na ho.

Grahphal condition -Na hi pakke ghar ka sabit ho means apne pakke ghar ki jagah kissi gair rashi mein baith jaye.

Dono lines mein farq kya hai?, mujhe to yaksa matalab hi nikla jaan padta hai. to grahphal aur rashiphal mein kya farq samjha jaye.

There is a mistake in the urdu edition itself. In the condition for Grah Phal the line ' na hi pakke ghar ka sabit ho' in incorrect. In my earlier massage I have given the example of Moon which when in its pakka ghar 4th is of Grah Phal.

Therefore the line instead should read ' aur pakke ghar ka sabit ho'. This condition will be true in all cases except for Saturn in the 3rd and Sun in the 5th. 3rd house is not a pakka ghar of Saturn still it is of Grah Phal. It is only for financial matters that Saturn in the 3rd is treated that of rasi phal.

Similarly, 5th house is not a pakka ghar of the Sun and still it is of grah phal.

Regards,

Varun Trivedi

 

> Regards> > Kulbir Bains> > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, varun_trvd varun_trvd@. .. wrote:> > varun_trvd varun_trvd@. ..> LK discussion group Re: Is this a printing mistake?> > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 3:38 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kubir bhai,> My answers in Red> > , Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ ..> wrote:> >> > Dear Varun ji;> >> > Rashiphal condition -apne pakke ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja> > baithe.> Yes. A planet can not be of Rasi phal in its pakka

ghar> > > Grahphal condition - *NA HI PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO.*> > NO. 4th house is a pakka ghar of Moon and it is of Grah Phal there> > > > ***Apne pakke ghar ki bajaiye kissis aur gair rashi mein ja baithe. Means> > Pakke ghar ka saabit na ho.*> > > > *Na hi pakke ghar ka sabit ho means apne pakke ghar ki jagah kissi gair> > rashi mein baith jaye.*> > *> > *> > *What is the crux?*> > *Regards*> > *Kulbir Bains.*> > *> > *> > *> > *> > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ .. wrote:> >> > > Dear Varun ji,> > > Let me arrange it as follows;> > >> > > Jab koi grah> > > i- apni mukkarrar rashi (yani wah rashi jiske ghar ka malik wah gina jata> >

> hai> > > ya> > > ii-oonch neech phal ke liye thahraiyee hui rashi> > > ya> > > iii-apne pakke ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja baithe> > > ya> > > iv-kissi doosre �grah ka saathi grah� (jad adla badli karne wala wagairah)> > > ban jaave.> > >> > > To wah aaisi halat mein rashi phal ya shaqi halat ka grah hoga jiske bure> > > asar se bachne ke liye shaq ka faida uthaya ja sakta hai.> > >> > > * ISKE BARKHILAF YANI UPAR KAHI HUI HALAT KE ULLAT HAAL PAR JABKI WAH*> > > *I-NA OONCH NA NEECH *> > > *II-NA GHAR KA*> > > *III- NA HI PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO*> > > *> > > *> > > *TO WAH GRAH �GRAH PHAL� YA PAKKKI HALAT KA HOGA JISKA ASAR HAMESHA KE> > > LIYE

MUKKARRAR HAI��.*> > > *> > > *> > > *Bhai ji lagta hai maine kuch zyada hi laga li hai, my head is spinning,> > > Kindly explain me, are both the conditions consistent.*> > > *Regards*> > > *Kulbir Bains*> > >> > > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 6:54 PM, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ ..wrote:> > >> > >>> > >>> > >> Dear Kulbir bhai,> > >>> > >> There is no printing mistake as compared with the 1952 urdu edition:> > >>> > >> â€Å" jab ki vah na oonch neech na ghar ka aur na hi pakke ghar ka sabit ho> > >> to vah grah ‘grah phal’ ya pakki halat ka grah hoga, jiska asar hamesha> > >> ke liye muqarrar ho chuka hai��> >

>>> > >> Regards,> > >>> > >> Varun Trivedi> > >>> > >> < %40. com>,> > >> Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:> > >> >> > >> > Dear Members;> > >> >> > >> > Is this a printing mistake?> > >> >> > >> > My query pertains to the line in CAPITAL APLPHABETS.> > >> >> > >> > Page 38 1952 GRAH PHAL V RASHI PHAL> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > Jab koi grah apni mukkarrar rashi (yani wah rashi jiske ghar ka malik> > >> wah> > >> > gina jata ) ya oonch neech phal ke liye thahraiyee hui rashi ya apne> > >>

pakke> > >> > ghar ki bajaiye kissi aur gair rashi mein ja baithe ya kissi doosre> > >> �grah ka> > >> > saathi grah� (jad adla badli karne wala wagairah) ban jaave. To wah> > >> aaisi> > >> > halat mein rashi phal ya shaqi halat ka grah hoga jiske bure asar se> > >> bachne> > >> > ke liye shaq ka faida uthaya ja sakta hai. * ISKE BARKHILAF YANI UPAR> > >> KAHI> > >> > HUI HALAT KE ULLAT HAAL PAR JABKI WAH* *NA OONCH NA NEECH NA GHAR KA AUR> > >> NA> > >> > HI PAKKE GHAR KA SAABIT HO* *TO WAH GRAH �GRAH PHAL�* YA PAKKKI> > >> HALAT KA> > >> > HOGA JISKA ASAR HAMESHA KE LIYE MUKKARRAR HAI��.> > >> >> > >> > Regards> >

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