True picture of challenging case

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All Dear Members

Thanks for all your replies. Here

is the True picture of the challenging case......

This man's exact problem is Addiction.

He is severely addicted to many things like drinking, Gutka, drug injections

etc. etc., Right now, he is not having health issues as such. About career,

He is Not doing anything right now, doing nothing, no job or business.

His earning is "Zero" right now. He is married & having a girl child.

The health of the child is fine. His wife is staying with him only. His

parents are styaing with him & the whole family is running only on

the pension & funds the parents have. Due to this, of course, the family

autmosphere has totally spoiled. He might suffer health problems in future

or he may not live longer life but, current problem is Addiction,

the route cause of all other problems.

The current Jup. bhukti (antardasha)

is not that bad as Jup. in the star of moon & moon is in 11th house

+ 10th CSL is Jup. only, but, his income is Zero right now.

The rule for addiction given

in Astrosecrets & KP, Part I, p 152, (this is given to me by Tw, tw853)

"If 5th sublord is Saturn or

Mars and connected with 3-6-2-1-4, then

addiction to alcohol"

But, this rule doesn't show the addiction

in this horoscope, 5th CSL is Venus significator of 5,1,10,7,2,9 Is there

Any other "Rule" for addiction?

Nobody has pinpointed the correct

problem area. Satish was nearer to the problem & another one who told

me that he may not live longer life.

Regards

Abhay

 

[Guest guest]

Abhay,

 

Thank you for this interesting case.

 

The native has close Mars Neptune conjunction for which the

Sociological Correspondence is ' Sick, people, also persons

craving drugs' - Ebertin.

 

I hadn't noticed this because I was so taken by his Jupiter,

Uranus,Ketu stellium right on his Ascendant. However, rechecking

shows that this Mars Neptune conjunction is tied into this

stellium, through being close trine Rahu, sextile the stellium.

We therefore see Mars Neptune and Rahu all in the Star of 6th

Lord Saturn. Here we see his 'sickness' - addiction to drugs.

 

 

The problem is probably acute at present because in the last

Solar Eclipse Mars Neptune transiting in close conjunction came

conjunct natal mental planets Mercury opposition natal Moon.

So his mind is totally taken by his addiction. At the same time

The SE point, Venus, and Rahu all came very close conjunction his

natal Venus Saturn conjunction. Note natal Mars and Rahu in

the 6th house are in the Star of Saturn and Sub of Venus so

pinpointing the problem.

 

An interesting point is that the 3rd,7th, and 11th houses have

Saturn as Star Lord and Venus as Sub Lord. Venus itself has

Saturn as Sub Lord. This does not auger well for his

relationships at home and with his wife. The fact is that it is

a particularly unfortunate chart with no less than 9 of the Cusp

sub lords being either Saturn or Venus.

 

 

Ron Gaunt

 

 

 

 

On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 00:37:04 +0530, you wrote:

 

 

All Dear Members

Thanks for all your replies. Here is the True picture of the

challenging case......

 

This man's exact problem is Addiction. He is severely addicted to

many things like drinking, Gutka, drug injections etc. etc.,

Right now, he is not having health issues as such. About career,

He is Not doing anything right now, doing nothing, no job or

business. His earning is " Zero " right now. He is married & having

a girl child. The health of the child is fine. His wife is

staying with him only. His parents are styaing with him & the

whole family is running only on the pension & funds the parents

have. Due to this, of course, the family autmosphere has totally

spoiled. He might suffer health problems in future or he may not

live longer life but, current problem is Addiction, the route

cause of all other problems.

 

The current Jup. bhukti (antardasha) is not that bad as Jup. in

the star of moon & moon is in 11th house + 10th CSL is Jup. only,

but, his income is Zero right now.

 

The rule for addiction given in Astrosecrets & KP, Part I, p 152,

(this is given to me by Tw, tw853)

" If 5th sublord is Saturn or Mars and connected with 3-6-2-1-4,

then

addiction to alcohol "

 

But, this rule doesn't show the addiction in this horoscope, 5th

CSL is Venus significator of 5,1,10,7,2,9 Is there Any other

" Rule " for addiction?

 

Nobody has pinpointed the correct problem area. Satish was nearer

to the problem & another one who told me that he may not live

longer life.

 

Regards

 

Abhay

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Mars and Neptune in Scorpio in 2nd house close to 3rd cusp indicate

drinking habit and drug addiction.

This might be severe during Mars antra.

Dear friends,

Yes it is interesting case.

Now he is running Rahu antra in Jupiter bhukti.

Rahu is in star of Sat and sub of venus.

Both sat+ven conjoined in 7th house.

7th cusp also Jup-SAt-Ven, and ven occuring as 5th, 3rd, 9th, and

11th sub lord.

This is a clearcut case of second marriage type situation. 6th rahu

and Sat involving shows illegal connection. Not connected to 8th

house means difficult to maintain secracy. Both Sat and Ven in star

of Mercury and Mer getting cancer Moon aspect from 11th also

indicate similar situation.

Whole affair may turn unfortunate event as Pisces[sat] and Capricorn

[Mer] and 7th and 5th houses indicate unfortunate and mentally

disturbing conditions.

My analysis is that rather than drug addiction, this affair and no

job sitation [Mer in 5th] may be diificult sitation/problem for him.

 

Profession sitation should improve as Mer is lord of 10th and

getting aspect from Moon.Jup in 1st house in star of Moon may

indicate profitable profession connected to

catering/servicing/ladies articles etc.

Inder

 

, " rongaunt@b... au "

<rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>

> Abhay,

>

> Thank you for this interesting case.

>

> The native has close Mars Neptune conjunction for which the

> Sociological Correspondence is ' Sick, people, also persons

> craving drugs' - Ebertin.

>

> I hadn't noticed this because I was so taken by his Jupiter,

> Uranus,Ketu stellium right on his Ascendant. However, rechecking

> shows that this Mars Neptune conjunction is tied into this

> stellium, through being close trine Rahu, sextile the stellium.

> We therefore see Mars Neptune and Rahu all in the Star of 6th

> Lord Saturn. Here we see his 'sickness' - addiction to drugs.

>

>

> The problem is probably acute at present because in the last

> Solar Eclipse Mars Neptune transiting in close conjunction came

> conjunct natal mental planets Mercury opposition natal Moon.

> So his mind is totally taken by his addiction. At the same time

> The SE point, Venus, and Rahu all came very close conjunction his

> natal Venus Saturn conjunction. Note natal Mars and Rahu in

> the 6th house are in the Star of Saturn and Sub of Venus so

> pinpointing the problem.

>

> An interesting point is that the 3rd,7th, and 11th houses have

> Saturn as Star Lord and Venus as Sub Lord. Venus itself has

> Saturn as Sub Lord. This does not auger well for his

> relationships at home and with his wife. The fact is that it is

> a particularly unfortunate chart with no less than 9 of the Cusp

> sub lords being either Saturn or Venus.

>

>

> Ron Gaunt

>

>

>

>

> On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 00:37:04 +0530, you wrote:

>

>

> All Dear Members

> Thanks for all your replies. Here is the True picture of the

> challenging case......

>

> This man's exact problem is Addiction. He is severely addicted to

> many things like drinking, Gutka, drug injections etc. etc.,

> Right now, he is not having health issues as such. About career,

> He is Not doing anything right now, doing nothing, no job or

> business. His earning is " Zero " right now. He is married & having

> a girl child. The health of the child is fine. His wife is

> staying with him only. His parents are styaing with him & the

> whole family is running only on the pension & funds the parents

> have. Due to this, of course, the family autmosphere has totally

> spoiled. He might suffer health problems in future or he may not

> live longer life but, current problem is Addiction, the route

> cause of all other problems.

>

> The current Jup. bhukti (antardasha) is not that bad as Jup. in

> the star of moon & moon is in 11th house + 10th CSL is Jup. only,

> but, his income is Zero right now.

>

> The rule for addiction given in Astrosecrets & KP, Part I, p 152,

> (this is given to me by Tw, tw853)

> " If 5th sublord is Saturn or Mars and connected with 3-6-2-1-4,

> then

> addiction to alcohol "

>

> But, this rule doesn't show the addiction in this horoscope, 5th

> CSL is Venus significator of 5,1,10,7,2,9 Is there Any other

> " Rule " for addiction?

>

> Nobody has pinpointed the correct problem area. Satish was nearer

> to the problem & another one who told me that he may not live

> longer life.

>

> Regards

>

> Abhay

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- Anmohiey

Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:07 PM

True picture of challenging case

 

 

Dear Abhay and friends,

 

There are few other combination in KP which depicts addiction. Like, if sub-lord of 5th house occupies either Pisces or Taurus, that gives tendency for addiction to intoxication and person would be of irresponsible attitude. Especially mercury as sub-lord can worsen the condition. If we just try to analyse, little bit, it gives clue that, planets Venus, Jupiter and Mercury ( also perhaps 6th, 7th and 12th house lords) when afflicted and establishes close connection with 5th sub lord, that would lead for excessive addiction. Even Rahu/ketu are also can hint addictions!

 

In the given case, Ketu is 5th sub lord and represents Mercury. Further it is associated with Jupiter.

 

Further, afflicted Venus (planet indicator for luxury and addiction), Rahu and Saturn are squaring the Ketu and Asc. Tendency of Jupiter is to expand what ever it gets associated with. Here it is badhaka lord and retrograde. Heavily stands afflicted by other planet, and thus native might have been addicted to excessive extent. How ever, in assessing extent of gravity of problem and seriousness, I feel one need to be blessed with not only sense of time but power of intuition as well. (Please excuse me, if any body is not pleased with my extended thoughts).

 

Good exercise.

 

Best wishes,

 

Mohan Hegde.

 

-

 

Abhay Godse

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:37 AM

True picture of challenging case

All Dear Members Thanks for all your replies. Here is the True picture of the challenging case...... This man's exact problem is Addiction. He is severely addicted to many things like drinking, Gutka, drug injections etc. etc., Right now, he is not having health issues as such. About career, He is Not doing anything right now, doing nothing, no job or business. His earning is "Zero" right now. He is married & having a girl child. The health of the child is fine. His wife is staying with him only. His parents are styaing with him & the whole family is running only on the pension & funds the parents have. Due to this, of course, the family autmosphere has totally spoiled. He might suffer health problems in future or he may not live longer life but, current problem is Addiction, the route cause of all other problems. The current Jup. bhukti (antardasha) is not that bad as Jup. in the star of moon & moon is in 11th house + 10th CSL is Jup. only, but, his income is Zero right now. The rule for addiction given in Astrosecrets & KP, Part I, p 152, (this is given to me by Tw, tw853) "If 5th sublord is Saturn or Mars and connected with 3-6-2-1-4, then addiction to alcohol" But, this rule doesn't show the addiction in this horoscope, 5th CSL is Venus significator of 5,1,10,7,2,9 Is there Any other "Rule" for addiction? Nobody has pinpointed the correct problem area. Satish was nearer to the problem & another one who told me that he may not live longer life. Regards Abhay

[Guest guest]

Ron ji,

 

Thanks for the note. Hope to see more charts showing addiction so that we can continue our study.

 

Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

On 4/29/05, rongaunt au <rongaunt wrote:

 

Dear Punit,It is not Mars that is the primary cause of the problem it isNeptune. Neptune is well known as the planet of drugs,

poisons *, chemistry, etc in Western astrology. Why it is somalefic here is that it is in the Star and Sub of Saturn.Saturn is in the Star of Mercury which as Lord of the 1st and10th will affect his personality and employment in a very

negative way, because Saturn is Malefic as Lord of the 6th house.Mercury is in the Sub of Venus which effectively takes on therole of Saturn due to close conjunction. Therefore Neptune ismalefic and exceptionally detrimental to the native.

Neptune's close conjunction with Mars compounds the problembecause Mars is in the Star of Malefic Saturn and the Sub ofVenus, which we have seen above takes on the role of Saturn.So we have both Neptune and Mars extremely malefic due to the

overwhelming influence of Saturn. As explained in my previousmail, according to Ebertin Mars Neptune combination creates a'craving for drugs'.I can't agree that Saturn is the planet of addiction. Saturn is

black or white, positive or negative depending on circumstances.Saturn is the planet of self control for good or bad.Addiction is a hazy world of unknowns with no self control.This just isn't Saturn - who makes a determined unequivocal stand

for its condition. The only occasion that I could envisageSaturn being related to addiction is if it is in the Star or Subof Rahu or Ketu which operate in a shadowy world akin to what anaddict presumably experiences. ( I understand that certain

schools of Hindu astrology see the Nodes as related to drugs).It is interesting to note that in the case under discussion Marsand Neptune are in close trine to Rahu. So both Hindu andWestern planets representing drugs are involved.

Ron Gaunt* Some years ago I checked a number of murderers who were so fascinated with poison that they experimented on family members and close acquaintances. They all had extremely prominent Neptunes. A friend who was also an astrologer worked as a research chemist and had Neptune exactly opposition his Ascendant. I have seen this type of relationship many times but have not kept a detailed record of where I would find them in my files. On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:44:24 +0530, you wrote:>Abhay ji & Friends,> Indeed a challenging case. It also shows how difficult is it to predict >open ended events in a chart. We definitely need a proper methodology to >identify events in a chart.> Ron and Inder has given post-martem of the event. I don't agree that Mars - >Neptune combination is the real cause. In my opinion Saturn is the planet of >addiction and not Mars. Let us check what traditional astrology has to say >on it. The prima-facie reason that I see is the widespread effect of Saturn >in the chart. As mentioned by Ron, Saturn is Nakshatra lord of 3,7 & 11 >house and Sub lord of 4, 8 & 12 house. Other than this 2 planets are >conjoined, 2 planets are aspected by Saturn with 7th aspect and two planets >are in Saturn's sign. As of know I think that it has something to say. What >I don't understand is why Saturn has become malefic to this extent? Anyways, >do you have any idea whether this person have ever been imprisoned?> Thanks & Regards,> Punit Pandey> On 4/27/05, Abhay Godse <

abhaygodse wrote: >> >> All Dear Members >> >> Thanks for all your replies. Here is the True picture of the challenging >> case...... >> >> This man's exact problem is *Addiction*. He is severely addicted to many >> things like drinking, Gutka, drug injections etc. etc., Right now, he is not >> having health issues as such. About career, He is Not doing anything right >> now, doing nothing, no job or business. His earning is " Zero " right now. He >> is married & having a girl child. The health of the child is fine. His wife >> is staying with him only. His parents are styaing with him & the whole >> family is running only on the pension & funds the parents have. Due to this, >> of course, the family autmosphere has totally spoiled. He might suffer >> health problems in future or he may not live longer life but, *current >> problem is Addiction*, the route cause of all other problems. >> >> The current Jup. bhukti (antardasha) is not that bad as Jup. in the star >> of moon & moon is in 11th house + 10th CSL is Jup. only, but, his income is >> Zero right now. >> >> The *rule for addiction* given in Astrosecrets & KP, Part I, p 152, (this >> is given to me by Tw,

tw853) >> " *If 5th sublord is Saturn or Mars and connected with 3-6-2-1-4, then* >> *addiction to alcohol* " >> >> But, this rule doesn't show the addiction in this horoscope, 5th CSL is >> Venus significator of 5,1,10,7,2,9 Is there Any other " Rule " for addiction? >> >> Nobody has pinpointed the correct problem area. Satish was nearer to the >> problem & another one who told me that he may not live longer life. >> >> Regards >> >> Abhay >> >> ------------------------------>> *

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

In my opinion this chart does not show alcoholism/drugs as major

problem. For certain people drinking becomes a normal practice.

In the chart Mars+ Nep in Scorpio in SECOND house, and several

planets are in watery sign. Mercury[main planet,in whose star Venus

sublord of lagna is placed]is aspected by Moon.

 

This watery disposition may be normal for the person himself but

seen by people surrounded by him as excesses.

 

This is because Mars is not coming as sublord of any house. Had it

been sublord of 2nd house, this could have been severe problem.

 

Second cusp sublord is Jup which is in 1st house cusp controls

everything inspite of its not favorably placed and inflicted.

 

Mars- Rahu trine may not be important for drinking/drug. Trine

aspect on Rahu is seen of Jupiter only for analysis of results.

In any case this is a benefic aspect which may indicate native

having good organising power when dealing with general public.

 

If we can get chart of film actor Sanjay Dutt, it can be a good case

of drug addiction and rehablitation.

 

Inder

 

, Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> Ron ji,

> Thanks for the note. Hope to see more charts showing addiction so

that we

> can continue our study.

> Regards,

> Punit Pandey

>

> On 4/29/05, rongaunt@b... au <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Punit,

> >

> > It is not Mars that is the primary cause of the problem it is

> > Neptune. Neptune is well known as the planet of drugs,

> > poisons *, chemistry, etc in Western astrology. Why it is so

> > malefic here is that it is in the Star and Sub of Saturn.

> >

> > Saturn is in the Star of Mercury which as Lord of the 1st and

> > 10th will affect his personality and employment in a very

> > negative way, because Saturn is Malefic as Lord of the 6th house.

> > Mercury is in the Sub of Venus which effectively takes on the

> > role of Saturn due to close conjunction. Therefore Neptune is

> > malefic and exceptionally detrimental to the native.

> >

> > Neptune's close conjunction with Mars compounds the problem

> > because Mars is in the Star of Malefic Saturn and the Sub of

> > Venus, which we have seen above takes on the role of Saturn.

> > So we have both Neptune and Mars extremely malefic due to the

> > overwhelming influence of Saturn. As explained in my previous

> > mail, according to Ebertin Mars Neptune combination creates a

> > 'craving for drugs'.

> >

> > I can't agree that Saturn is the planet of addiction. Saturn is

> > black or white, positive or negative depending on circumstances.

> > Saturn is the planet of self control for good or bad.

> > Addiction is a hazy world of unknowns with no self control.

> > This just isn't Saturn - who makes a determined unequivocal stand

> > for its condition. The only occasion that I could envisage

> > Saturn being related to addiction is if it is in the Star or Sub

> > of Rahu or Ketu which operate in a shadowy world akin to what an

> > addict presumably experiences. ( I understand that certain

> > schools of Hindu astrology see the Nodes as related to drugs).

> > It is interesting to note that in the case under discussion Mars

> > and Neptune are in close trine to Rahu. So both Hindu and

> > Western planets representing drugs are involved.

> >

> >

> >

> > Ron Gaunt

> >

> >

> > * Some years ago I checked a number of murderers who were so

> > fascinated with poison that they experimented on family

> > members and close acquaintances. They all had extremely

> > prominent Neptunes. A friend who was also an astrologer

> > worked as a research chemist and had Neptune exactly

> > opposition his Ascendant. I have seen this type of

> > relationship many times but have not kept a detailed

> > record of where I would find them in my files.

> >

> >

> >

> > On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:44:24 +0530, you wrote:

> >

> > >Abhay ji & Friends,

> > > Indeed a challenging case. It also shows how difficult is it

to predict

> > >open ended events in a chart. We definitely need a proper

methodology to

> > >identify events in a chart.

> > > Ron and Inder has given post-martem of the event. I don't

agree that

> > Mars -

> > >Neptune combination is the real cause. In my opinion Saturn is

the planet

> > of

> > >addiction and not Mars. Let us check what traditional astrology

has to

> > say

> > >on it. The prima-facie reason that I see is the widespread

effect of

> > Saturn

> > >in the chart. As mentioned by Ron, Saturn is Nakshatra lord of

3,7 & 11

> > >house and Sub lord of 4, 8 & 12 house. Other than this 2

planets are

> > >conjoined, 2 planets are aspected by Saturn with 7th aspect and

two

> > planets

> > >are in Saturn's sign. As of know I think that it has something

to say.

> > What

> > >I don't understand is why Saturn has become malefic to this

extent?

> > Anyways,

> > >do you have any idea whether this person have ever been

imprisoned?

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > Punit Pandey

> > > On 4/27/05, Abhay Godse <abhaygodse@e...> wrote:

> > >>

> > >> All Dear Members

> > >>

> > >> Thanks for all your replies. Here is the True picture of the

> > challenging

> > >> case......

> > >>

> > >> This man's exact problem is *Addiction*. He is severely

addicted to

> > many

> > >> things like drinking, Gutka, drug injections etc. etc., Right

now, he

> > is not

> > >> having health issues as such. About career, He is Not doing

anything

> > right

> > >> now, doing nothing, no job or business. His earning is " Zero "

right

> > now. He

> > >> is married & having a girl child. The health of the child is

fine. His

> > wife

> > >> is staying with him only. His parents are styaing with him &

the whole

> > >> family is running only on the pension & funds the parents

have. Due to

> > this,

> > >> of course, the family autmosphere has totally spoiled. He

might suffer

> > >> health problems in future or he may not live longer life but,

*current

> > >> problem is Addiction*, the route cause of all other problems.

> > >>

> > >> The current Jup. bhukti (antardasha) is not that bad as Jup.

in the

> > star

> > >> of moon & moon is in 11th house + 10th CSL is Jup. only, but,

his

> > income is

> > >> Zero right now.

> > >>

> > >> The *rule for addiction* given in Astrosecrets & KP, Part I,

p 152,

> > (this

> > >> is given to me by Tw, tw853)

> > >> " *If 5th sublord is Saturn or Mars and connected with 3-6-2-1-

4, then*

> > >> *addiction to alcohol* "

> > >>

> > >> But, this rule doesn't show the addiction in this horoscope,

5th CSL is

> >

> > >> Venus significator of 5,1,10,7,2,9 Is there Any other " Rule "

for

> > addiction?

> > >>

> > >> Nobody has pinpointed the correct problem area. Satish was

nearer to

> > the

> > >> problem & another one who told me that he may not live longer

life.

> > >>

> > >> Regards

> > >>

> > >> Abhay

> > >>

> > >> ------------------------------

> > >> *

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

1. It can be seen clearly how the simple and straight forward but

not groundless imiginary rule for addiction by N. Bhasin, James

Braha and Vedic Astrloger Pablo Pena (Msg #4120) is working for the

charts of Abhay's challaging case, Marilyn Monroe and Sanjay Dutt

even with combination of KP significators for 2nd house.

 

2. Sanjay Dutt, July 29, 1959, 14:45 PM IST, Bombay, 18N58,

72E50, " Sanjay Rath: The Crux of Vedic Astrology-Timing of Events " ,

1998, pp 499-502; " Sumeet Chugh: Timing of Events, 1996 " , pp 121-

122, Asc 09:12 Scorpio. As per courtesy of KPAstro 2.0, Asc 09:17:07

Sccorpio, KP Ayanamsa 23:12:09.

 

Best regards,

 

tw

 

 

 

, " Inder " <indervohra2001>

wrote:

> Dear friends,

> In my opinion this chart does not show alcoholism/drugs as major

> problem. For certain people drinking becomes a normal practice.

> In the chart Mars+ Nep in Scorpio in SECOND house, and several

> planets are in watery sign. Mercury[main planet,in whose star

Venus

> sublord of lagna is placed]is aspected by Moon.

>

> This watery disposition may be normal for the person himself but

> seen by people surrounded by him as excesses.

>

> This is because Mars is not coming as sublord of any house. Had it

> been sublord of 2nd house, this could have been severe problem.

>

> Second cusp sublord is Jup which is in 1st house cusp controls

> everything inspite of its not favorably placed and inflicted.

>

> Mars- Rahu trine may not be important for drinking/drug. Trine

> aspect on Rahu is seen of Jupiter only for analysis of results.

> In any case this is a benefic aspect which may indicate native

> having good organising power when dealing with general public.

>

> If we can get chart of film actor Sanjay Dutt, it can be a good

case

> of drug addiction and rehablitation.

>

> Inder

>

> , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...>

wrote:

> > Ron ji,

> > Thanks for the note. Hope to see more charts showing addiction

so

> that we

> > can continue our study.

> > Regards,

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> > On 4/29/05, rongaunt@b... au <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Punit,

> > >

> > > It is not Mars that is the primary cause of the problem it is

> > > Neptune. Neptune is well known as the planet of drugs,

> > > poisons *, chemistry, etc in Western astrology. Why it is so

> > > malefic here is that it is in the Star and Sub of Saturn.

> > >

> > > Saturn is in the Star of Mercury which as Lord of the 1st and

> > > 10th will affect his personality and employment in a very

> > > negative way, because Saturn is Malefic as Lord of the 6th

house.

> > > Mercury is in the Sub of Venus which effectively takes on the

> > > role of Saturn due to close conjunction. Therefore Neptune is

> > > malefic and exceptionally detrimental to the native.

> > >

> > > Neptune's close conjunction with Mars compounds the problem

> > > because Mars is in the Star of Malefic Saturn and the Sub of

> > > Venus, which we have seen above takes on the role of Saturn.

> > > So we have both Neptune and Mars extremely malefic due to the

> > > overwhelming influence of Saturn. As explained in my previous

> > > mail, according to Ebertin Mars Neptune combination creates a

> > > 'craving for drugs'.

> > >

> > > I can't agree that Saturn is the planet of addiction. Saturn is

> > > black or white, positive or negative depending on

circumstances.

> > > Saturn is the planet of self control for good or bad.

> > > Addiction is a hazy world of unknowns with no self control.

> > > This just isn't Saturn - who makes a determined unequivocal

stand

> > > for its condition. The only occasion that I could envisage

> > > Saturn being related to addiction is if it is in the Star or

Sub

> > > of Rahu or Ketu which operate in a shadowy world akin to what

an

> > > addict presumably experiences. ( I understand that certain

> > > schools of Hindu astrology see the Nodes as related to drugs).

> > > It is interesting to note that in the case under discussion

Mars

> > > and Neptune are in close trine to Rahu. So both Hindu and

> > > Western planets representing drugs are involved.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ron Gaunt

> > >

> > >

> > > * Some years ago I checked a number of murderers who were so

> > > fascinated with poison that they experimented on family

> > > members and close acquaintances. They all had extremely

> > > prominent Neptunes. A friend who was also an astrologer

> > > worked as a research chemist and had Neptune exactly

> > > opposition his Ascendant. I have seen this type of

> > > relationship many times but have not kept a detailed

> > > record of where I would find them in my files.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:44:24 +0530, you wrote:

> > >

> > > >Abhay ji & Friends,

> > > > Indeed a challenging case. It also shows how difficult is it

> to predict

> > > >open ended events in a chart. We definitely need a proper

> methodology to

> > > >identify events in a chart.

> > > > Ron and Inder has given post-martem of the event. I don't

> agree that

> > > Mars -

> > > >Neptune combination is the real cause. In my opinion Saturn

is

> the planet

> > > of

> > > >addiction and not Mars. Let us check what traditional

astrology

> has to

> > > say

> > > >on it. The prima-facie reason that I see is the widespread

> effect of

> > > Saturn

> > > >in the chart. As mentioned by Ron, Saturn is Nakshatra lord

of

> 3,7 & 11

> > > >house and Sub lord of 4, 8 & 12 house. Other than this 2

> planets are

> > > >conjoined, 2 planets are aspected by Saturn with 7th aspect

and

> two

> > > planets

> > > >are in Saturn's sign. As of know I think that it has

something

> to say.

> > > What

> > > >I don't understand is why Saturn has become malefic to this

> extent?

> > > Anyways,

> > > >do you have any idea whether this person have ever been

> imprisoned?

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > On 4/27/05, Abhay Godse <abhaygodse@e...> wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> All Dear Members

> > > >>

> > > >> Thanks for all your replies. Here is the True picture of

the

> > > challenging

> > > >> case......

> > > >>

> > > >> This man's exact problem is *Addiction*. He is severely

> addicted to

> > > many

> > > >> things like drinking, Gutka, drug injections etc. etc.,

Right

> now, he

> > > is not

> > > >> having health issues as such. About career, He is Not doing

> anything

> > > right

> > > >> now, doing nothing, no job or business. His earning

is " Zero "

> right

> > > now. He

> > > >> is married & having a girl child. The health of the child

is

> fine. His

> > > wife

> > > >> is staying with him only. His parents are styaing with him

&

> the whole

> > > >> family is running only on the pension & funds the parents

> have. Due to

> > > this,

> > > >> of course, the family autmosphere has totally spoiled. He

> might suffer

> > > >> health problems in future or he may not live longer life

but,

> *current

> > > >> problem is Addiction*, the route cause of all other

problems.

> > > >>

> > > >> The current Jup. bhukti (antardasha) is not that bad as

Jup.

> in the

> > > star

> > > >> of moon & moon is in 11th house + 10th CSL is Jup. only,

but,

> his

> > > income is

> > > >> Zero right now.

> > > >>

> > > >> The *rule for addiction* given in Astrosecrets & KP, Part

I,

> p 152,

> > > (this

> > > >> is given to me by Tw, tw853)

> > > >> " *If 5th sublord is Saturn or Mars and connected with 3-6-2-

1-

> 4, then*

> > > >> *addiction to alcohol* "

> > > >>

> > > >> But, this rule doesn't show the addiction in this

horoscope,

> 5th CSL is

> > >

> > > >> Venus significator of 5,1,10,7,2,9 Is there Any

other " Rule "

> for

> > > addiction?

> > > >>

> > > >> Nobody has pinpointed the correct problem area. Satish was

> nearer to

> > > the

> > > >> problem & another one who told me that he may not live

longer

> life.

> > > >>

> > > >> Regards

> > > >>

> > > >> Abhay

> > > >>

> > > >> ------------------------------

> > > >> *