varshapall - Nirayan Return or Sayan Return?

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Evencio,

 

Guruji KSK's mathematics is explained by using Kanak ji's practical

example of Varsphal for India below.

 

tw

 

 

 

 

1. Although India chart is @ " midnight " on 14-08-1947 as per

http://members.tripod.com/tra_nations/tra_nationspage.htm ,

Astrodienst, K. Hariharan:Notable Persons & KP, p 126, K. N. Rao:The

Nehru Dynasty, p 37-39, pl note that " 23:57:23 " PM IST is taken to get

Varshphal @ " 11:35:36 " AM IST on 14-08-1984 with KPA 23:33:07

comparable to Kanak ji's example.

 

2. As per Astrodienst SW, for Natal 23:57:23 PM IST, 14-08-1947,

Delhi, 77E13, 28N40, a/ tropical or sayana (Western) positions are Asc

00Ge10:13, Sun 21Le6:33, Moon 27Cn4:41 (Sid Time 21:05:35), and b/

Solar Return 1984/1985 for the " same place Delhi " is @ 22:40:53, 13-08-

1984, and tropical positions are Asc 07Ta26:28, Sun 21Le6:33, Moon

14Pi00:00 (Sid Time 19:49:01).

3. Of course tropical Sun position is the same 21Le6:33 for both

natal in 1947 and Solar Return in 1984. KP Ayanamsa is 23:02:07 for

natal and 23:33:07 for Solar Return. KP sidereal or nirayana (Hindu)

positions are Sun 21Le6:33 minus KPA 23:02:07 = 28Cn04:26 for Natal

and Sun 21Le6:33 minus KPA 23:33:07 = 27Cn33:26 for Solar Return

which is 00:31:00 less than from Natal. In fact Sun positions should

be exactly the same for both Natal and Solar Return. That is why KSK

is reminding to add the difference of two KPAs (23:33:07 minus

23:02:07 =) 00:31:00 to the Sun KPA nirayana position for Solar

Return 27Cn33:26 to get exactly the same Sun KPA nirayana position for

Natal 28Cn04:26. This is KSK's mathematics for manual calculation in

old days to convert sayana position into nirayana position. Now a day

SWs are doing their job.

4. As per Jagannatha Hora 7.02 SW, both natal and Tajaka KPA

nirayana positions can be get as follows. a/ Natal for 23-57-23 PM

IST, 14-08-1947, Delhi, 77E13, 28N40, KPA 23:02:07, Sid Time 21:05:35,

Asc 07Ta08:06, Sun 28Cn04:46, Moon 04Cn02:34, and b/ Tajaka

(Varshphal) 11:35:36 AM IST (as in Kanak ji's example), 14-08-1984,

KPA 23-33-07, Sid Time 08:45:51, Asc 12Li38:19, Sun 28Cn04:46, Moon

26Aq51:51, which are not much different from positions of Kanak ji's

example.

5. Erecting the Western Solar Return is mentioned in Raymond A.

Merriman: The New Solar Return Book of Prediction, 10th Edt., 2000, pp

22-37 , and Nance McCullough: Solar Returns: Formulars & Analyses,

1999, pp 172-174; Hindu Varshphal in B.V. Raman: Varshaphal or The

Hindu Progressed Horoscope, 13th Edt, 1992, pp 5-12, and Sumeet Chugh:

Varshphal or Annual Horoscope, 2002, pp 4-18.

 

6. The place of resident at the time of calculating Solar Return

is to be taken as per KSK and Merriman, p 37. But the place of birth

alone, not the place of present residence is to be taken in

calculating Varshphal as per B.V. Raman, p 11 and Chugh, p 5.

 

7. Mudda Vimshottari Dasa is preferred by KSK and Chugh as the

most important and widely used dasa in the Parasari system. But Raman

prefers Patyamsas dasa and says the results of Vimshottari Dasa

system is disappointing, p 39. Mudda Vimshottari Dasa, Patyayini Dasa

and Narayana Dasa are available in Jagannatha Hora 7.02. Even though

Moon position is not much different, there are differences in Mudda

Vimshottari Dasa of Jagannatha and Kanak ji's example perhaps due to

different method of calculation as explained by Chugh which may need

to check for those who want to practice Varshphal.

 

8. Finally it is worthy to note that the time of Solar Return is

different depending on sayana or nirayana positions and then Lahiri or

KP ayanamsa.

 

 

 

 

 

, " Evencio " <iupter108> wrote:

> tw and Friends,

> In the 3rd Reader page 482 gives the following instruction:

>

> " But those who follow Krishnamurthi Padhdhati (1) find the

difference

> in the ayanansa between the year of bith and the year chosen for

anual

> horoscope,(2)add this to the sayana position of Sun at birth (3)note

> the time whe Sun comes to this position. "

>

> Sorry for this question, but does it means the Solar Nirayan Return

or

> anything else?

> Sayan position of Sun + Ayanansa difference for the age= Position of

> Return

> The text is not clear for me, can someone explain this calculation?

> Thank you

> Evencio

[Guest guest]

Evencio,

 

Guruji KSK's mathematics is explained by using Kanak ji's practical

example of Varsphal for India below.

 

tw

 

 

 

 

1. Although India chart is @ " midnight " on 14-08-1947 as per

http://members.tripod.com/tra_nations/tra_nationspage.htm ,

Astrodienst, K. Hariharan:Notable Persons & KP, p 126, K. N. Rao:The

Nehru Dynasty, p 37-39, pl note that " 23:57:23 " PM IST is taken to get

Varshphal @ " 11:35:36 " AM IST on 14-08-1984 with KPA 23:33:07

comparable to Kanak ji's example.

 

2. As per Astrodienst SW, for Natal 23:57:23 PM IST, 14-08-1947,

Delhi, 77E13, 28N40, a/ tropical or sayana (Western) positions are Asc

00Ge10:13, Sun 21Le6:33, Moon 27Cn4:41 (Sid Time 21:05:35), and b/

Solar Return 1984/1985 for the " same place Delhi " is @ 22:40:53, 13-08-

1984, and tropical positions are Asc 07Ta26:28, Sun 21Le6:33, Moon

14Pi00:00 (Sid Time 19:49:01).

3. Of course tropical Sun position is the same 21Le6:33 for both

natal in 1947 and Solar Return in 1984. KP Ayanamsa is 23:02:07 for

natal and 23:33:07 for Solar Return. KP sidereal or nirayana (Hindu)

positions are Sun 21Le6:33 minus KPA 23:02:07 = 28Cn04:26 for Natal

and Sun 21Le6:33 minus KPA 23:33:07 = 27Cn33:26 for Solar Return

which is 00:31:00 less than from Natal. In fact Sun positions should

be exactly the same for both Natal and Solar Return. That is why KSK

is reminding to add the difference of two KPAs (23:33:07 minus

23:02:07 =) 00:31:00 to the Sun KPA nirayana position for Solar

Return 27Cn33:26 to get exactly the same Sun KPA nirayana position for

Natal 28Cn04:26. This is KSK's mathematics for manual calculation in

old days to convert sayana position into nirayana position. Now a day

SWs are doing their job.

4. As per Jagannatha Hora 7.02 SW, both natal and Tajaka KPA

nirayana positions can be get as follows. a/ Natal for 23-57-23 PM

IST, 14-08-1947, Delhi, 77E13, 28N40, KPA 23:02:07, Sid Time 21:05:35,

Asc 07Ta08:06, Sun 28Cn04:46, Moon 04Cn02:34, and b/ Tajaka

(Varshphal) 11:35:36 AM IST (as in Kanak ji's example), 14-08-1984,

KPA 23-33-07, Sid Time 08:45:51, Asc 12Li38:19, Sun 28Cn04:46, Moon

26Aq51:51, which are not much different from positions of Kanak ji's

example.

5. Erecting the Western Solar Return is mentioned in Raymond A.

Merriman: The New Solar Return Book of Prediction, 10th Edt., 2000, pp

22-37 , and Nance McCullough: Solar Returns: Formulars & Analyses,

1999, pp 172-174; Hindu Varshphal in B.V. Raman: Varshaphal or The

Hindu Progressed Horoscope, 13th Edt, 1992, pp 5-12, and Sumeet Chugh:

Varshphal or Annual Horoscope, 2002, pp 4-18.

 

6. The place of resident at the time of calculating Solar Return

is to be taken as per KSK and Merriman, p 37. But the place of birth

alone, not the place of present residence is to be taken in

calculating Varshphal as per B.V. Raman, p 11 and Chugh, p 5.

 

7. Mudda Vimshottari Dasa is preferred by KSK and Chugh as the

most important and widely used dasa in the Parasari system. But Raman

prefers Patyamsas dasa and says the results of Vimshottari Dasa

system is disappointing, p 39. Mudda Vimshottari Dasa, Patyayini Dasa

and Narayana Dasa are available in Jagannatha Hora 7.02. Even though

Moon position is not much different, there are differences in Mudda

Vimshottari Dasa of Jagannatha and Kanak ji's example perhaps due to

different method of calculation as explained by Chugh which may need

to check for those who want to practice Varshphal.

 

8. Finally it is worthy to note that the time of Solar Return is

different depending on sayana or nirayana positions and then Lahiri or

KP ayanamsa.

 

 

 

 

 

, " Evencio " <iupter108> wrote:

> tw and Friends,

> In the 3rd Reader page 482 gives the following instruction:

>

> " But those who follow Krishnamurthi Padhdhati (1) find the

difference

> in the ayanansa between the year of bith and the year chosen for

anual

> horoscope,(2)add this to the sayana position of Sun at birth (3)note

> the time whe Sun comes to this position. "

>

> Sorry for this question, but does it means the Solar Nirayan Return

or

> anything else?

> Sayan position of Sun + Ayanansa difference for the age= Position of

> Return

> The text is not clear for me, can someone explain this calculation?

> Thank you

> Evencio