Guest guest Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 Friends, I too think it time to conclude this experiment. In fact it could go for ever with different permutations - and I don't have the time to focus on just this one experiment. In the end I looked at 151 targets filtering them through 30 charts. 30 charts may not be enough to get a realistic result, but it was interesting to see how each set of 10 quickly eliminated what look promising in a previous set. A promising line which I never pursued was the good results I appeared to get with the Part of Fortune, but I didn't follow it ;up, as I suspect there is an arithmetical consideration that might skew the result. I formed this opinion from the fact that far too frequently for either a Yes or a NO the POF was in or near the 2nd house. This might have been a genuine result but would need a further experiment of ad hoc times (ie no coin toss) to determine whether this is a common event. Only 2 'targets' gave me the 70% verification I required. They were: The Moon at the Time of Judgement (TOJ) being in any of the improving houses 1,2,3,6,10, or 11. The Lagna Sub Lord at the TOJ being 1st Class Significator (ie in the Star of a resident planet) of any of the improving houses. It is interesting to note that both the Moon and Lagna Sub Lord are fundamental to RP theory. Also interesting is that the Sub Lord stands out. This is of course the main plank of KP. The best results came from TOJ rather than Horary Numbers which I checked equally with TOJ. This is contrary to the Gulburga method which uses the Horary Numbers chart. So my inclination from this is to use the TOJ in preference to KP numbers whenever possible when asking a horary question. Whilst the test may not be definitive, the question is are the results sufficient to use with some degree of confidence? I think they maybe - if using both the above targets together; because this gives over 96% accuracy. The reason I say this is that only 1 chart gave an incorrect answer to both targets. Looking at this one chart I notice that the Moon receives a very close aspect from Saturn. I had noticed previously that Saturn seemed prominent in other incorrect answers. The problem with taking this as a factor, is that Saturn and the Moon would be in aspect for some time. If accepting this as a negating factor it means that one is likely to get a spurious result during these times. The only way to get over this would be to have a very tight orb. Even so I am going to keep an eye on Moon Saturn contacts when I do a horary chart. So if members are inclined to test this for themselves I would suggest they use the following procedure: 1. Frame the question. Get it very clear in your mind what you want answered as Yes of No. Make certain that the question is not open ended. The best way to achieve this is to concentrate on only ONE thing, person, team, point , place etc. where there may be alternatives. 2. Write down the question and concentrate on it. 3. Cast the chart by simply pressing the 'Now' button on your astrological software. Do not use a KP number. 4. Check the Moon's position. Is it in an improving house or otherwise? If it is, the answer is Yes, otherwise NO. 5 Check the Lagna Sub Lord. Is it a 1st Class Significator of an improving house or otherwise? If it is, the answer is Yes, otherwise No. 6. If you get 2 Yes or 2 No answers you may feel fairly confident about the answer. Where you get 1 Yes or 1 No the answer may be a stalemate ie a drawn game in a sports competition. It has been an interesting experiment; and has the advantage for a newcomer to KP of confirming some of the basic tenets of the system. I would appreciate it if members would refer to this method as the 'Arjee' method so that we will know which method is being used when we post results. Ron Gaunt On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:11:14 -0400, you wrote: >Dear Group - > >I have finished my coin toss experiment and have had the following results: > >Out of 100 coin tosses using the question, " Will my next coin toss turn up HEADS? " >Using the number selection method only, the results were that: > >1) 39 times it came out TRUE >2) 32 times the answer was FALSE >3) 29 times it was a DO OVER > >My conclusions were that 39 times is certainly not anywhere near even a 70 % success rate here and indeed it looks like there was an equal chance that it could've tossed up any ONE of these three different ways at any time. So even though it was an interesting thought, I wouldn't be able to scientifically say that it had any validity on a constant basis by using the number method. > >However I DID always find that my first toss was the most accurate, perhaps because of the initial intention of the coin toss. After a few tries however, the focus loses some of its initiative it seems and then seems to go in all different directions, therefore pointing to the idea that when doing an horary, the intensity of the question asked makes a big difference in the outcome of the answer. > >Also if I tried to do the coin toss on a down day, or one where I was busy doing other things or not being able to focus directly on this, then of course the results were less than satisfactory. but then again there were other times when I could hit the right answer as much as 6 times in a row, so the results for me are not very conclusive at all. > >I also believe that what makes an horary system work depends on how each astrologer's mind works and functions, so that any one of us could make a very dependable system of horary for ourselves that would have meaning and authenticity when we do it, similar to the way a person makes conclusions on the interpretation of a dream according to his or her own dream symbols. If the chart is just a focus with which we draw upon our inner resources then each one of us could have success according to the inner symbols that make sense to us, while perhaps another astrologer using that same system might find that it doesn't work for them. The end result of course, would be to come to the same conclusions no matter which individual system is being used. > >One western horary astrologer for example uses an approach to all yes or no answers in this manner, by considering the selection of the proper houses as crucial for one. And secondly, by setting up a system whereby squares and oppositions between the rulers of the querent and the quesited give NO answers while trines, sextiles and conjunctions between the rulers give a YES answer. > >So everyone might have a favorite way that seems to work for them. It's just a matter of finding what resonates inside of you and gives you that feeling of " yes!, this works for me " and trusting in your inner self to give you the right answer, no matter what you use to get there. > >Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Dear List I recall reading an article in one of the issues of Times Asrology, where in the author has given 3 examples from his actual practice, using Horary Numbers. He has also shown that he got the same predictions, using the Present Kundali, without the Horary Number. ARJE method is worth giving a try. good luck "rongaunt au" <rongaunt wrote: Friends,I too think it time to conclude this experiment. In fact itcould go for ever with different permutations - and I don't have the time to focus on just this one experiment.In the end I looked at 151 targets filtering them through 30charts. 30 charts may not be enough to get a realisticresult, but it was interesting to see how each set of 10 quicklyeliminated what look promising in a previous set.A promising line which I never pursued was the good results Iappeared to get with the Part of Fortune, but I didn't follow it;up, as I suspect there is an arithmetical consideration that might skew the result. I formed this opinion from the fact thatfar too frequently for either a Yes or a NO the POF was in ornear the 2nd house. This might have been a genuine result butwould need a further experiment of ad hoc times (ie no coin toss)to determine whether this is a common event.Only 2 'targets' gave me the 70% verification I required.They were:The Moon at the Time of Judgement (TOJ) being in any of theimproving houses 1,2,3,6,10, or 11. The Lagna Sub Lord at the TOJ being 1st Class Significator (ie in the Star of a resident planet) of anyof the improving houses.It is interesting to note that both the Moon and Lagna Sub Lordare fundamental to RP theory. Also interesting is that theSub Lord stands out. This is of course the main plank of KP.The best results came from TOJ rather than Horary Numbers which I checked equally with TOJ. This is contrary to theGulburga method which uses the Horary Numbers chart.So my inclination from this is to use the TOJ in preference toKP numbers whenever possible when asking a horary question.Whilst the test may not be definitive, the question is are theresults sufficient to use with some degree of confidence?I think they maybe - if using both the above targets together;because this gives over 96% accuracy. The reason I say this isthat only 1 chart gave an incorrect answer to both targets.Looking at this one chart I notice that the Moon receives a veryclose aspect from Saturn. I had noticed previously that Saturnseemed prominent in other incorrect answers. The problem withtaking this as a factor, is that Saturn and the Moon would be inaspect for some time. If accepting this as a negating factor itmeans that one is likely to get a spurious result during thesetimes. The only way to get over this would be to have a verytight orb. Even so I am going to keep an eye on Moon Saturncontacts when I do a horary chart.So if members are inclined to test this for themselves I wouldsuggest they use the following procedure:1. Frame the question. Get it very clear in your mind what you want answered as Yes of No. Make certain that the questionis not open ended. The best way to achieve this is to concentrate on only ONE thing, person, team, point , place etc. where there may be alternatives.2. Write down the question and concentrate on it.3. Cast the chart by simply pressing the 'Now' buttonon your astrological software. Do not use a KP number.4. Check the Moon's position. Is it in an improving houseor otherwise? If it is, the answer is Yes, otherwise NO.5 Check the Lagna Sub Lord. Is it a 1st Class Significatorof an improving house or otherwise? If it is, the answeris Yes, otherwise No.6. If you get 2 Yes or 2 No answers you may feel fairlyconfident about the answer. Where you get 1 Yes or1 No the answer may be a stalemate ie a drawn game in a sports competition. It has been an interesting experiment; and has the advantage fora newcomer to KP of confirming some of the basic tenets of thesystem.I would appreciate it if members would refer to this method asthe 'Arjee' method so that we will know which method is beingused when we post results.Ron GauntOn Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:11:14 -0400, you wrote:>Dear Group ->>I have finished my coin toss experiment and have had the following results:>>Out of 100 coin tosses using the question, "Will my next coin toss turn up HEADS?">Using the number selection method only, the results were that:>>1) 39 times it came out TRUE>2) 32 times the answer was FALSE>3) 29 times it was a DO OVER>>My conclusions were that 39 times is certainly not anywhere near even a 70 % success rate here and indeed it looks like there was an equal chance that it could've tossed up any ONE of these three different ways at any time. So even though it was an interesting thought, I wouldn't be able to scientifically say that it had any validity on a constant basis by using the number method.>>However I DID always find that my first toss was the most accurate, perhaps because of the initial intention of the coin toss. After a few tries however, the focus loses some of its initiative it seems and then seems to go in all different directions, therefore pointing to the idea that when doing an horary, the intensity of the question asked makes a big difference in the outcome of the answer.>>Also if I tried to do the coin toss on a down day, or one where I was busy doing other things or not being able to focus directly on this, then of course the results were less than satisfactory. but then again there were other times when I could hit the right answer as much as 6 times in a row, so the results for me are not very conclusive at all.>>I also believe that what makes an horary system work depends on how each astrologer's mind works and functions, so that any one of us could make a very dependable system of horary for ourselves that would have meaning and authenticity when we do it, similar to the way a person makes conclusions on the interpretation of a dream according to his or her own dream symbols. If the chart is just a focus with which we draw upon our inner resources then each one of us could have success according to the inner symbols that make sense to us, while perhaps another astrologer using that same system might find that it doesn't work for them. The end result of course, would be to come to the same conclusions no matter which individual system is being used.>>One western horary astrologer for example uses an approach to all yes or no answers in this manner, by considering the selection of the proper houses as crucial for one. And secondly, by setting up a system whereby squares and oppositions between the rulers of the querent and the quesited give NO answers while trines, sextiles and conjunctions between the rulers give a YES answer. >>So everyone might have a favorite way that seems to work for them. It's just a matter of finding what resonates inside of you and gives you that feeling of "yes!, this works for me" and trusting in your inner self to give you the right answer, no matter what you use to get there.>>Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Dear RG, It is interesting.!! Which software we are to use. Is it given in files section? Inder , " rongaunt@b... au " <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > Friends, > > I too think it time to conclude this experiment. In fact it > could go for ever with different permutations - and I don't > have the time to focus on just this one experiment. > > In the end I looked at 151 targets filtering them through 30 > charts. 30 charts may not be enough to get a realistic > result, but it was interesting to see how each set of 10 quickly > eliminated what look promising in a previous set. > > A promising line which I never pursued was the good results I > appeared to get with the Part of Fortune, but I didn't follow it > ;up, as I suspect there is an arithmetical consideration that > might skew the result. I formed this opinion from the fact that > far too frequently for either a Yes or a NO the POF was in or > near the 2nd house. This might have been a genuine result but > would need a further experiment of ad hoc times (ie no coin toss) > to determine whether this is a common event. > > Only 2 'targets' gave me the 70% verification I required. > They were: > > The Moon at the Time of Judgement (TOJ) being in any of the > improving houses 1,2,3,6,10, or 11. > > The Lagna Sub Lord at the TOJ being 1st > Class Significator (ie in the Star of a resident planet) of any > of the improving houses. > > It is interesting to note that both the Moon and Lagna Sub Lord > are fundamental to RP theory. Also interesting is that the > Sub Lord stands out. This is of course the main plank of KP. > > The best results came from TOJ rather than Horary Numbers > which I checked equally with TOJ. This is contrary to the > Gulburga method which uses the Horary Numbers chart. > So my inclination from this is to use the TOJ in preference to > KP numbers whenever possible when asking a horary question. > > Whilst the test may not be definitive, the question is are the > results sufficient to use with some degree of confidence? > > I think they maybe - if using both the above targets together; > because this gives over 96% accuracy. The reason I say this is > that only 1 chart gave an incorrect answer to both targets. > Looking at this one chart I notice that the Moon receives a very > close aspect from Saturn. I had noticed previously that Saturn > seemed prominent in other incorrect answers. The problem with > taking this as a factor, is that Saturn and the Moon would be in > aspect for some time. If accepting this as a negating factor it > means that one is likely to get a spurious result during these > times. The only way to get over this would be to have a very > tight orb. Even so I am going to keep an eye on Moon Saturn > contacts when I do a horary chart. > > So if members are inclined to test this for themselves I would > suggest they use the following procedure: > > 1. Frame the question. Get it very clear in your mind what you > want answered as Yes of No. Make certain that the question > is not open ended. The best way to achieve this is to > concentrate on only ONE thing, person, team, point , place > etc. where there may be alternatives. > > 2. Write down the question and concentrate on it. > > 3. Cast the chart by simply pressing the 'Now' button > on your astrological software. Do not use a KP number. > > 4. Check the Moon's position. Is it in an improving house > or otherwise? If it is, the answer is Yes, otherwise NO. > > 5 Check the Lagna Sub Lord. Is it a 1st Class Significator > of an improving house or otherwise? If it is, the answer > is Yes, otherwise No. > > 6. If you get 2 Yes or 2 No answers you may feel fairly > confident about the answer. Where you get 1 Yes or > 1 No the answer may be a stalemate ie a drawn game > in a sports competition. > > It has been an interesting experiment; and has the advantage for > a newcomer to KP of confirming some of the basic tenets of the > system. > > I would appreciate it if members would refer to this method as > the 'Arjee' method so that we will know which method is being > used when we post results. > > > > > Ron Gaunt > > > On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:11:14 -0400, you wrote: > > >Dear Group - > > > >I have finished my coin toss experiment and have had the following results: > > > >Out of 100 coin tosses using the question, " Will my next coin toss turn up HEADS? " > >Using the number selection method only, the results were that: > > > >1) 39 times it came out TRUE > >2) 32 times the answer was FALSE > >3) 29 times it was a DO OVER > > > >My conclusions were that 39 times is certainly not anywhere near even a 70 % success rate here and indeed it looks like there was an equal chance that it could've tossed up any ONE of these three different ways at any time. So even though it was an interesting thought, I wouldn't be able to scientifically say that it had any validity on a constant basis by using the number method. > > > >However I DID always find that my first toss was the most accurate, perhaps because of the initial intention of the coin toss. After a few tries however, the focus loses some of its initiative it seems and then seems to go in all different directions, therefore pointing to the idea that when doing an horary, the intensity of the question asked makes a big difference in the outcome of the answer. > > > >Also if I tried to do the coin toss on a down day, or one where I was busy doing other things or not being able to focus directly on this, then of course the results were less than satisfactory. but then again there were other times when I could hit the right answer as much as 6 times in a row, so the results for me are not very conclusive at all. > > > >I also believe that what makes an horary system work depends on how each astrologer's mind works and functions, so that any one of us could make a very dependable system of horary for ourselves that would have meaning and authenticity when we do it, similar to the way a person makes conclusions on the interpretation of a dream according to his or her own dream symbols. If the chart is just a focus with which we draw upon our inner resources then each one of us could have success according to the inner symbols that make sense to us, while perhaps another astrologer using that same system might find that it doesn't work for them. The end result of course, would be to come to the same conclusions no matter which individual system is being used. > > > >One western horary astrologer for example uses an approach to all yes or no answers in this manner, by considering the selection of the proper houses as crucial for one. And secondly, by setting up a system whereby squares and oppositions between the rulers of the querent and the quesited give NO answers while trines, sextiles and conjunctions between the rulers give a YES answer. > > > >So everyone might have a favorite way that seems to work for them. It's just a matter of finding what resonates inside of you and gives you that feeling of " yes!, this works for me " and trusting in your inner self to give you the right answer, no matter what you use to get there. > > > >Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 Dear Inder, When I mentioned software before, I was mindful of most Western astrological software which have a button which you press to give a 'current' chart which you can use for horary. In fact you can use any software, and simply work from the horary chart which you are considering. You then simply work out the answers from steps 4 & 5 below. I have not detailed the experiment in the files section as it would take considerable time to enter, and I doubt whether many people would be inclined to go over each target in every chart as I did. Ron Gaunt On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 06:00:30 -0000, you wrote: >Dear RG, >It is interesting.!! Which software we are to use. Is it given in >files section? >Inder > > , " rongaunt@b... au " ><rongaunt@b...> wrote: >> >> Friends, >> >> I too think it time to conclude this experiment. In fact it >> could go for ever with different permutations - and I don't >> have the time to focus on just this one experiment. >> >> In the end I looked at 151 targets filtering them through 30 >> charts. 30 charts may not be enough to get a realistic >> result, but it was interesting to see how each set of 10 quickly >> eliminated what look promising in a previous set. >> >> A promising line which I never pursued was the good results I >> appeared to get with the Part of Fortune, but I didn't follow it >> ;up, as I suspect there is an arithmetical consideration that >> might skew the result. I formed this opinion from the fact that >> far too frequently for either a Yes or a NO the POF was in or >> near the 2nd house. This might have been a genuine result but >> would need a further experiment of ad hoc times (ie no coin toss) >> to determine whether this is a common event. >> >> Only 2 'targets' gave me the 70% verification I required. >> They were: >> >> The Moon at the Time of Judgement (TOJ) being in any of the >> improving houses 1,2,3,6,10, or 11. >> >> The Lagna Sub Lord at the TOJ being 1st >> Class Significator (ie in the Star of a resident planet) of any >> of the improving houses. >> >> It is interesting to note that both the Moon and Lagna Sub Lord >> are fundamental to RP theory. Also interesting is that the >> Sub Lord stands out. This is of course the main plank of KP. >> >> The best results came from TOJ rather than Horary Numbers >> which I checked equally with TOJ. This is contrary to the >> Gulburga method which uses the Horary Numbers chart. >> So my inclination from this is to use the TOJ in preference to >> KP numbers whenever possible when asking a horary question. >> >> Whilst the test may not be definitive, the question is are the >> results sufficient to use with some degree of confidence? >> >> I think they maybe - if using both the above targets together; >> because this gives over 96% accuracy. The reason I say this is >> that only 1 chart gave an incorrect answer to both targets. >> Looking at this one chart I notice that the Moon receives a very >> close aspect from Saturn. I had noticed previously that Saturn >> seemed prominent in other incorrect answers. The problem with >> taking this as a factor, is that Saturn and the Moon would be in >> aspect for some time. If accepting this as a negating factor it >> means that one is likely to get a spurious result during these >> times. The only way to get over this would be to have a very >> tight orb. Even so I am going to keep an eye on Moon Saturn >> contacts when I do a horary chart. >> >> So if members are inclined to test this for themselves I would >> suggest they use the following procedure: >> >> 1. Frame the question. Get it very clear in your mind what you >> want answered as Yes of No. Make certain that the question >> is not open ended. The best way to achieve this is to >> concentrate on only ONE thing, person, team, point , place >> etc. where there may be alternatives. >> >> 2. Write down the question and concentrate on it. >> >> 3. Cast the chart by simply pressing the 'Now' button >> on your astrological software. Do not use a KP number. >> >> 4. Check the Moon's position. Is it in an improving house >> or otherwise? If it is, the answer is Yes, otherwise NO. >> >> 5 Check the Lagna Sub Lord. Is it a 1st Class Significator >> of an improving house or otherwise? If it is, the answer >> is Yes, otherwise No. >> >> 6. If you get 2 Yes or 2 No answers you may feel fairly >> confident about the answer. Where you get 1 Yes or >> 1 No the answer may be a stalemate ie a drawn game >> in a sports competition. >> >> It has been an interesting experiment; and has the advantage for >> a newcomer to KP of confirming some of the basic tenets of the >> system. >> >> I would appreciate it if members would refer to this method as >> the 'Arjee' method so that we will know which method is being >> used when we post results. >> >> >> >> >> Ron Gaunt >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:11:14 -0400, you wrote: >> >> >Dear Group - >> > >> >I have finished my coin toss experiment and have had the >following results: >> > >> >Out of 100 coin tosses using the question, " Will my next coin >toss turn up HEADS? " >> >Using the number selection method only, the results were that: >> > >> >1) 39 times it came out TRUE >> >2) 32 times the answer was FALSE >> >3) 29 times it was a DO OVER >> > >> >My conclusions were that 39 times is certainly not anywhere near >even a 70 % success rate here and indeed it looks like there was an >equal chance that it could've tossed up any ONE of these three >different ways at any time. So even though it was an interesting >thought, I wouldn't be able to scientifically say that it had any >validity on a constant basis by using the number method. >> > >> >However I DID always find that my first toss was the most >accurate, perhaps because of the initial intention of the coin toss. >After a few tries however, the focus loses some of its initiative it >seems and then seems to go in all different directions, therefore >pointing to the idea that when doing an horary, the intensity of the >question asked makes a big difference in the outcome of the answer. >> > >> >Also if I tried to do the coin toss on a down day, or one where I >was busy doing other things or not being able to focus directly on >this, then of course the results were less than satisfactory. but >then again there were other times when I could hit the right answer >as much as 6 times in a row, so the results for me are not very >conclusive at all. >> > >> >I also believe that what makes an horary system work depends on >how each astrologer's mind works and functions, so that any one of >us could make a very dependable system of horary for ourselves that >would have meaning and authenticity when we do it, similar to the >way a person makes conclusions on the interpretation of a dream >according to his or her own dream symbols. If the chart is just a >focus with which we draw upon our inner resources then each one of >us could have success according to the inner symbols that make sense >to us, while perhaps another astrologer using that same system might >find that it doesn't work for them. The end result of course, would >be to come to the same conclusions no matter which individual system >is being used. >> > >> >One western horary astrologer for example uses an approach to all >yes or no answers in this manner, by considering the selection of >the proper houses as crucial for one. And secondly, by setting up a >system whereby squares and oppositions between the rulers of the >querent and the quesited give NO answers while trines, sextiles and >conjunctions between the rulers give a YES answer. >> > >> >So everyone might have a favorite way that seems to work for >them. It's just a matter of finding what resonates inside of you and >gives you that feeling of " yes!, this works for me " and trusting in >your inner self to give you the right answer, no matter what you use >to get there. >> > >> >Donna > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 Dear ron, Today one of our group member ask me a question : will Brazil win this football match? and as per number horary and prasna horary both result says NO. ( question no: 162) 29/6/2005 Time 16:16:11 Place L.G.hospital -Maninagar -Ahmedabad 23 N 00 72 E 36 My analisys: 6TH CUSP SUBLORD MOON DOSNT INDICATE 6 AND 11TH AND 11TH SUB ALSO NOT INDICATE 6TH AND 11TH SO BRAZIL nNOT WILL THIS MATCH.OPONENET: 11TH AND 5TH SUB SIGINFIES 6TH SO OPONENET WILL WIN THIS MATCH. AS PER RON'S THEORY: 4. Check the Moon's position. Is it in an improving house or otherwise? If it is, the answer is Yes, otherwise NO.MoOn is in sign of Jup star of Mer and sub MoonJUP is in 10th lord of 2nd and 4th .starlord MER is in 8 lord of 8 and 10th.Sub lord MOON is in 4th and lord of 9th 3 Yes and 5 NO. 5 Check the Lagna Sub Lord. Is it a 1st Class Significator of an improving house or otherwise? If it is, the answer is Yes, otherwise No.Lagna Sub lord is Moon and same as No.4so this method also indicate NO. Please check and give your opinion regards kanak"rongaunt au" <rongaunt wrote: Friends,I too think it time to conclude this experiment. In fact itcould go for ever with different permutations - and I don't have the time to focus on just this one experiment.In the end I looked at 151 targets filtering them through 30charts. 30 charts may not be enough to get a realisticresult, but it was interesting to see how each set of 10 quicklyeliminated what look promising in a previous set.A promising line which I never pursued was the good results Iappeared to get with the Part of Fortune, but I didn't follow it;up, as I suspect there is an arithmetical consideration that might skew the result. I formed this opinion from the fact thatfar too frequently for either a Yes or a NO the POF was in ornear the 2nd house. This might have been a genuine result butwould need a further experiment of ad hoc times (ie no coin toss)to determine whether this is a common event.Only 2 'targets' gave me the 70% verification I required.They were:The Moon at the Time of Judgement (TOJ) being in any of theimproving houses 1,2,3,6,10, or 11. The Lagna Sub Lord at the TOJ being 1st Class Significator (ie in the Star of a resident planet) of anyof the improving houses.It is interesting to note that both the Moon and Lagna Sub Lordare fundamental to RP theory. Also interesting is that theSub Lord stands out. This is of course the main plank of KP.The best results came from TOJ rather than Horary Numbers which I checked equally with TOJ. This is contrary to theGulburga method which uses the Horary Numbers chart.So my inclination from this is to use the TOJ in preference toKP numbers whenever possible when asking a horary question.Whilst the test may not be definitive, the question is are theresults sufficient to use with some degree of confidence?I think they maybe - if using both the above targets together;because this gives over 96% accuracy. The reason I say this isthat only 1 chart gave an incorrect answer to both targets.Looking at this one chart I notice that the Moon receives a veryclose aspect from Saturn. I had noticed previously that Saturnseemed prominent in other incorrect answers. The problem withtaking this as a factor, is that Saturn and the Moon would be inaspect for some time. If accepting this as a negating factor itmeans that one is likely to get a spurious result during thesetimes. The only way to get over this would be to have a verytight orb. Even so I am going to keep an eye on Moon Saturncontacts when I do a horary chart.So if members are inclined to test this for themselves I wouldsuggest they use the following procedure:1. Frame the question. Get it very clear in your mind what you want answered as Yes of No. Make certain that the question is not open ended. The best way to achieve this is to concentrate on only ONE thing, person, team, point , place etc. where there may be alternatives.2. Write down the question and concentrate on it.3. Cast the chart by simply pressing the 'Now' button on your astrological software. Do not use a KP number.4. Check the Moon's position. Is it in an improving house or otherwise? If it is, the answer is Yes, otherwise NO.5 Check the Lagna Sub Lord. Is it a 1st Class Significator of an improving house or otherwise? If it is, the answer is Yes, otherwise No.6. If you get 2 Yes or 2 No answers you may feel fairly confident about the answer. Where you get 1 Yes or 1 No the answer may be a stalemate ie a drawn game in a sports competition. It has been an interesting experiment; and has the advantage fora newcomer to KP of confirming some of the basic tenets of thesystem.I would appreciate it if members would refer to this method asthe 'Arjee' method so that we will know which method is beingused when we post results.Ron Gaunt On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:11:14 -0400, you wrote:>Dear Group ->>I have finished my coin toss experiment and have had the following results:>>Out of 100 coin tosses using the question, "Will my next coin toss turn up HEADS?">Using the number selection method only, the results were that:>>1) 39 times it came out TRUE>2) 32 times the answer was FALSE>3) 29 times it was a DO OVER>>My conclusions were that 39 times is certainly not anywhere near even a 70 % success rate here and indeed it looks like there was an equal chance that it could've tossed up any ONE of these three different ways at any time. So even though it was an interesting thought, I wouldn't be able to scientifically say that it had any validity on a constant basis by using the number method.>>However I DID always find that my first toss was the most accurate, perhaps because of the initial intention of the coin toss. After a few tries however, the focus loses some of its initiative it seems and then seems to go in all different directions, therefore pointing to the idea that when doing an horary, the intensity of the question asked makes a big difference in the outcome of the answer.>>Also if I tried to do the coin toss on a down day, or one where I was busy doing other things or not being able to focus directly on this, then of course the results were less than satisfactory. but then again there were other times when I could hit the right answer as much as 6 times in a row, so the results for me are not very conclusive at all.>>I also believe that what makes an horary system work depends on how each astrologer's mind works and functions, so that any one of us could make a very dependable system of horary for ourselves that would have meaning and authenticity when we do it, similar to the way a person makes conclusions on the interpretation of a dream according to his or her own dream symbols. If the chart is just a focus with which we draw upon our inner resources then each one of us could have success according to the inner symbols that make sense to us, while perhaps another astrologer using that same system might find that it doesn't work for them. The end result of course, would be to come to the same conclusions no matter which individual system is being used.>>One western horary astrologer for example uses an approach to all yes or no answers in this manner, by considering the selection of the proper houses as crucial for one. And secondly, by setting up a system whereby squares and oppositions between the rulers of the querent and the quesited give NO answers while trines, sextiles and conjunctions between the rulers give a YES answer. >>So everyone might have a favorite way that seems to work for them. It's just a matter of finding what resonates inside of you and gives you that feeling of "yes!, this works for me" and trusting in your inner self to give you the right answer, no matter what you use to get there.>>Donna Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 maitrya ....is good software....... but not giving sublord as per KP - " rongaunt au " <rongaunt Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:27 AM Re: Re: Coin test results > > Dear Inder, > > When I mentioned software before, I was mindful of most Western > astrological software which have a button which you press to give > a 'current' chart which you can use for horary. In fact you can > use any software, and simply work from the horary chart which you > are considering. You then simply work out the answers from > steps 4 & 5 below. > > I have not detailed the experiment in the files section as it > would take considerable time to enter, and I doubt whether many > people would be inclined to go over each target in every chart as > I did. > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 06:00:30 -0000, you wrote: > > >Dear RG, > >It is interesting.!! Which software we are to use. Is it given in > >files section? > >Inder > > > > , " rongaunt@b... au " > ><rongaunt@b...> wrote: > >> > >> Friends, > >> > >> I too think it time to conclude this experiment. In fact it > >> could go for ever with different permutations - and I don't > >> have the time to focus on just this one experiment. > >> > >> In the end I looked at 151 targets filtering them through 30 > >> charts. 30 charts may not be enough to get a realistic > >> result, but it was interesting to see how each set of 10 quickly > >> eliminated what look promising in a previous set. > >> > >> A promising line which I never pursued was the good results I > >> appeared to get with the Part of Fortune, but I didn't follow it > >> ;up, as I suspect there is an arithmetical consideration that > >> might skew the result. I formed this opinion from the fact that > >> far too frequently for either a Yes or a NO the POF was in or > >> near the 2nd house. This might have been a genuine result but > >> would need a further experiment of ad hoc times (ie no coin toss) > >> to determine whether this is a common event. > >> > >> Only 2 'targets' gave me the 70% verification I required. > >> They were: > >> > >> The Moon at the Time of Judgement (TOJ) being in any of the > >> improving houses 1,2,3,6,10, or 11. > >> > >> The Lagna Sub Lord at the TOJ being 1st > >> Class Significator (ie in the Star of a resident planet) of any > >> of the improving houses. > >> > >> It is interesting to note that both the Moon and Lagna Sub Lord > >> are fundamental to RP theory. Also interesting is that the > >> Sub Lord stands out. This is of course the main plank of KP. > >> > >> The best results came from TOJ rather than Horary Numbers > >> which I checked equally with TOJ. This is contrary to the > >> Gulburga method which uses the Horary Numbers chart. > >> So my inclination from this is to use the TOJ in preference to > >> KP numbers whenever possible when asking a horary question. > >> > >> Whilst the test may not be definitive, the question is are the > >> results sufficient to use with some degree of confidence? > >> > >> I think they maybe - if using both the above targets together; > >> because this gives over 96% accuracy. The reason I say this is > >> that only 1 chart gave an incorrect answer to both targets. > >> Looking at this one chart I notice that the Moon receives a very > >> close aspect from Saturn. I had noticed previously that Saturn > >> seemed prominent in other incorrect answers. The problem with > >> taking this as a factor, is that Saturn and the Moon would be in > >> aspect for some time. If accepting this as a negating factor it > >> means that one is likely to get a spurious result during these > >> times. The only way to get over this would be to have a very > >> tight orb. Even so I am going to keep an eye on Moon Saturn > >> contacts when I do a horary chart. > >> > >> So if members are inclined to test this for themselves I would > >> suggest they use the following procedure: > >> > >> 1. Frame the question. Get it very clear in your mind what you > >> want answered as Yes of No. Make certain that the question > >> is not open ended. The best way to achieve this is to > >> concentrate on only ONE thing, person, team, point , place > >> etc. where there may be alternatives. > >> > >> 2. Write down the question and concentrate on it. > >> > >> 3. Cast the chart by simply pressing the 'Now' button > >> on your astrological software. Do not use a KP number. > >> > >> 4. Check the Moon's position. Is it in an improving house > >> or otherwise? If it is, the answer is Yes, otherwise NO. > >> > >> 5 Check the Lagna Sub Lord. Is it a 1st Class Significator > >> of an improving house or otherwise? If it is, the answer > >> is Yes, otherwise No. > >> > >> 6. If you get 2 Yes or 2 No answers you may feel fairly > >> confident about the answer. Where you get 1 Yes or > >> 1 No the answer may be a stalemate ie a drawn game > >> in a sports competition. > >> > >> It has been an interesting experiment; and has the advantage for > >> a newcomer to KP of confirming some of the basic tenets of the > >> system. > >> > >> I would appreciate it if members would refer to this method as > >> the 'Arjee' method so that we will know which method is being > >> used when we post results. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Ron Gaunt > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:11:14 -0400, you wrote: > >> > >> >Dear Group - > >> > > >> >I have finished my coin toss experiment and have had the > >following results: > >> > > >> >Out of 100 coin tosses using the question, " Will my next coin > >toss turn up HEADS? " > >> >Using the number selection method only, the results were that: > >> > > >> >1) 39 times it came out TRUE > >> >2) 32 times the answer was FALSE > >> >3) 29 times it was a DO OVER > >> > > >> >My conclusions were that 39 times is certainly not anywhere near > >even a 70 % success rate here and indeed it looks like there was an > >equal chance that it could've tossed up any ONE of these three > >different ways at any time. So even though it was an interesting > >thought, I wouldn't be able to scientifically say that it had any > >validity on a constant basis by using the number method. > >> > > >> >However I DID always find that my first toss was the most > >accurate, perhaps because of the initial intention of the coin toss. > >After a few tries however, the focus loses some of its initiative it > >seems and then seems to go in all different directions, therefore > >pointing to the idea that when doing an horary, the intensity of the > >question asked makes a big difference in the outcome of the answer. > >> > > >> >Also if I tried to do the coin toss on a down day, or one where I > >was busy doing other things or not being able to focus directly on > >this, then of course the results were less than satisfactory. but > >then again there were other times when I could hit the right answer > >as much as 6 times in a row, so the results for me are not very > >conclusive at all. > >> > > >> >I also believe that what makes an horary system work depends on > >how each astrologer's mind works and functions, so that any one of > >us could make a very dependable system of horary for ourselves that > >would have meaning and authenticity when we do it, similar to the > >way a person makes conclusions on the interpretation of a dream > >according to his or her own dream symbols. If the chart is just a > >focus with which we draw upon our inner resources then each one of > >us could have success according to the inner symbols that make sense > >to us, while perhaps another astrologer using that same system might > >find that it doesn't work for them. The end result of course, would > >be to come to the same conclusions no matter which individual system > >is being used. > >> > > >> >One western horary astrologer for example uses an approach to all > >yes or no answers in this manner, by considering the selection of > >the proper houses as crucial for one. And secondly, by setting up a > >system whereby squares and oppositions between the rulers of the > >querent and the quesited give NO answers while trines, sextiles and > >conjunctions between the rulers give a YES answer. > >> > > >> >So everyone might have a favorite way that seems to work for > >them. It's just a matter of finding what resonates inside of you and > >gives you that feeling of " yes!, this works for me " and trusting in > >your inner self to give you the right answer, no matter what you use > >to get there. > >> > > >> >Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 Dear Kanak, Remember to use the Time of Judgement Chart Not the KP No Chart. This gives Moon in the 5th which is not an improving house. Therefore the answer is NO. The Asc Sub Lord is Rahu. Rahu is the 1st Class significator of the 9th which is not an improving house. Therefor the answer is NO. With two NOs your horary is stating that Brazil will not win. Ron Gaunt On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 04:04:26 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >Dear ron, >Today one of our group member ask me a question : will Brazil win this football match? >and as per number horary and prasna horary both result says NO. >( question no: 162) >29/6/2005 Time 16:16:11 Place L.G.hospital -Maninagar -Ahmedabad 23 N 00 72 E 36 > >My analisys: > >6TH CUSP SUBLORD MOON DOSNT INDICATE 6 AND 11TH AND 11TH SUB ALSO NOT INDICATE 6TH AND 11TH SO BRAZIL nNOT WILL THIS MATCH. >OPONENET: 11TH AND 5TH SUB SIGINFIES 6TH SO OPONENET WILL WIN THIS MATCH. > >AS PER RON'S THEORY: >4. Check the Moon's position. Is it in an improving house > or otherwise? If it is, the answer is Yes, otherwise NO. >MoOn is in sign of Jup star of Mer and sub Moon >JUP is in 10th lord of 2nd and 4th .starlord MER is in 8 lord of 8 and 10th. >Sub lord MOON is in 4th and lord of 9th > >3 Yes and 5 NO. > >5 Check the Lagna Sub Lord. Is it a 1st Class Significator > of an improving house or otherwise? If it is, the answer > is Yes, otherwise No. >Lagna Sub lord is Moon and same as No.4 >so this method also indicate NO. > > >Please check and give your opinion >regards > >kanak > " rongaunt au " <rongaunt wrote: > >Friends, > >I too think it time to conclude this experiment. In fact it >could go for ever with different permutations - and I don't >have the time to focus on just this one experiment. > >In the end I looked at 151 targets filtering them through 30 >charts. 30 charts may not be enough to get a realistic >result, but it was interesting to see how each set of 10 quickly >eliminated what look promising in a previous set. > >A promising line which I never pursued was the good results I >appeared to get with the Part of Fortune, but I didn't follow it >;up, as I suspect there is an arithmetical consideration that >might skew the result. I formed this opinion from the fact that >far too frequently for either a Yes or a NO the POF was in or >near the 2nd house. This might have been a genuine result but >would need a further experiment of ad hoc times (ie no coin toss) >to determine whether this is a common event. > >Only 2 'targets' gave me the 70% verification I required. >They were: > >The Moon at the Time of Judgement (TOJ) being in any of the >improving houses 1,2,3,6,10, or 11. > >The Lagna Sub Lord at the TOJ being 1st >Class Significator (ie in the Star of a resident planet) of any >of the improving houses. > >It is interesting to note that both the Moon and Lagna Sub Lord >are fundamental to RP theory. Also interesting is that the >Sub Lord stands out. This is of course the main plank of KP. > >The best results came from TOJ rather than Horary Numbers >which I checked equally with TOJ. This is contrary to the >Gulburga method which uses the Horary Numbers chart. >So my inclination from this is to use the TOJ in preference to >KP numbers whenever possible when asking a horary question. > >Whilst the test may not be definitive, the question is are the >results sufficient to use with some degree of confidence? > >I think they maybe - if using both the above targets together; >because this gives over 96% accuracy. The reason I say this is >that only 1 chart gave an incorrect answer to both targets. >Looking at this one chart I notice that the Moon receives a very >close aspect from Saturn. I had noticed previously that Saturn >seemed prominent in other incorrect answers. The problem with >taking this as a factor, is that Saturn and the Moon would be in >aspect for some time. If accepting this as a negating factor it >means that one is likely to get a spurious result during these >times. The only way to get over this would be to have a very >tight orb. Even so I am going to keep an eye on Moon Saturn >contacts when I do a horary chart. > >So if members are inclined to test this for themselves I would >suggest they use the following procedure: > >1. Frame the question. Get it very clear in your mind what you > want answered as Yes of No. Make certain that the question > is not open ended. The best way to achieve this is to > concentrate on only ONE thing, person, team, point , place > etc. where there may be alternatives. > >2. Write down the question and concentrate on it. > >3. Cast the chart by simply pressing the 'Now' button > on your astrological software. Do not use a KP number. > >4. Check the Moon's position. Is it in an improving house > or otherwise? If it is, the answer is Yes, otherwise NO. > >5 Check the Lagna Sub Lord. Is it a 1st Class Significator > of an improving house or otherwise? If it is, the answer > is Yes, otherwise No. > >6. If you get 2 Yes or 2 No answers you may feel fairly > confident about the answer. Where you get 1 Yes or > 1 No the answer may be a stalemate ie a drawn game > in a sports competition. > >It has been an interesting experiment; and has the advantage for >a newcomer to KP of confirming some of the basic tenets of the >system. > >I would appreciate it if members would refer to this method as >the 'Arjee' method so that we will know which method is being >used when we post results. > > > > >Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > >On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:11:14 -0400, you wrote: > >>Dear Group - >> >>I have finished my coin toss experiment and have had the following results: >> >>Out of 100 coin tosses using the question, " Will my next coin toss turn up HEADS? " >>Using the number selection method only, the results were that: >> >>1) 39 times it came out TRUE >>2) 32 times the answer was FALSE >>3) 29 times it was a DO OVER >> >>My conclusions were that 39 times is certainly not anywhere near even a 70 % success rate here and indeed it looks like there was an equal chance that it could've tossed up any ONE of these three different ways at any time. So even though it was an interesting thought, I wouldn't be able to scientifically say that it had any validity on a constant basis by using the number method. >> >>However I DID always find that my first toss was the most accurate, perhaps because of the initial intention of the coin toss. After a few tries however, the focus loses some of its initiative it seems and then seems to go in all different directions, therefore pointing to the idea that when doing an horary, the intensity of the question asked makes a big difference in the outcome of the answer. >> >>Also if I tried to do the coin toss on a down day, or one where I was busy doing other things or not being able to focus directly on this, then of course the results were less than satisfactory. but then again there were other times when I could hit the right answer as much as 6 times in a row, so the results for me are not very conclusive at all. >> >>I also believe that what makes an horary system work depends on how each astrologer's mind works and functions, so that any one of us could make a very dependable system of horary for ourselves that would have meaning and authenticity when we do it, similar to the way a person makes conclusions on the interpretation of a dream according to his or her own dream symbols. If the chart is just a focus with which we draw upon our inner resources then each one of us could have success according to the inner symbols that make sense to us, while perhaps another astrologer using that same system might find that it doesn't work for them. The end result of course, would be to come to the same conclusions no matter which individual system is being used. >> >>One western horary astrologer for example uses an approach to all yes or no answers in this manner, by considering the selection of the proper houses as crucial for one. And secondly, by setting up a system whereby squares and oppositions between the rulers of the querent and the quesited give NO answers while trines, sextiles and conjunctions between the rulers give a YES answer. >> >>So everyone might have a favorite way that seems to work for them. It's just a matter of finding what resonates inside of you and gives you that feeling of " yes!, this works for me " and trusting in your inner self to give you the right answer, no matter what you use to get there. >> >>Donna > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Dear Ron, Actualy Brazil win this match. regards kanak>"rongaunt au" <rongaunt> > >Re: Re: Coin test results>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:02:29 +1000>>>Dear Kanak,>>Remember to use the Time of Judgement Chart Not the KP No Chart.>>This gives Moon in the 5th which is not an improving house.>Therefore the answer is NO.>>The Asc Sub Lord is Rahu. Rahu is the 1st Class significator>of the 9th which is not an improving house.>Therefor the answer is NO.>>With two NOs your horary is stating that Brazil will not win.>>>>Ron Gaunt>>>On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 04:04:26 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:>> >Dear ron,> >Today one of our group member ask me a question : will Brazil win this football match?> >and as per number horary and prasna horary both result says NO.> >( question no: 162)> >29/6/2005 Time 16:16:11 Place L.G.hospital -Maninagar -Ahmedabad 23 N 00 72 E 36> >> >My analisys:> >> >6TH CUSP SUBLORD MOON DOSNT INDICATE 6 AND 11TH AND 11TH SUB ALSO NOT INDICATE 6TH AND 11TH SO BRAZIL nNOT WILL THIS MATCH.> >OPONENET: 11TH AND 5TH SUB SIGINFIES 6TH SO OPONENET WILL WIN THIS MATCH.> >> >AS PER RON'S THEORY:> >4. Check the Moon's position. Is it in an improving house> > or otherwise? If it is, the answer is Yes, otherwise NO.> >MoOn is in sign of Jup star of Mer and sub Moon> >JUP is in 10th lord of 2nd and 4th .starlord MER is in 8 lord of 8 and 10th.> >Sub lord MOON is in 4th and lord of 9th> >> >3 Yes and 5 NO.> >> >5 Check the Lagna Sub Lord. Is it a 1st Class Significator> > of an improving house or otherwise? If it is, the answer> > is Yes, otherwise No.> >Lagna Sub lord is Moon and same as No.4> >so this method also indicate NO.> >> >> >Please check and give your opinion> >regards> >> >kanak> >"rongaunt au" <rongaunt wrote:> >> >Friends,> >> >I too think it time to conclude this experiment. In fact it> >could go for ever with different permutations - and I don't> >have the time to focus on just this one experiment.> >> >In the end I looked at 151 targets filtering them through 30> >charts. 30 charts may not be enough to get a realistic> >result, but it was interesting to see how each set of 10 quickly> >eliminated what look promising in a previous set.> >> >A promising line which I never pursued was the good results I> >appeared to get with the Part of Fortune, but I didn't follow it> >;up, as I suspect there is an arithmetical consideration that> >might skew the result. I formed this opinion from the fact that> >far too frequently for either a Yes or a NO the POF was in or> >near the 2nd house. This might have been a genuine result but> >would need a further experiment of ad hoc times (ie no coin toss)> >to determine whether this is a common event.> >> >Only 2 'targets' gave me the 70% verification I required.> >They were:> >> >The Moon at the Time of Judgement (TOJ) being in any of the> >improving houses 1,2,3,6,10, or 11.> >> >The Lagna Sub Lord at the TOJ being 1st> >Class Significator (ie in the Star of a resident planet) of any> >of the improving houses.> >> >It is interesting to note that both the Moon and Lagna Sub Lord> >are fundamental to RP theory. Also interesting is that the> >Sub Lord stands out. This is of course the main plank of KP.> >> >The best results came from TOJ rather than Horary Numbers> >which I checked equally with TOJ. This is contrary to the> >Gulburga method which uses the Horary Numbers chart.> >So my inclination from this is to use the TOJ in preference to> >KP numbers whenever possible when asking a horary question.> >> >Whilst the test may not be definitive, the question is are the> >results sufficient to use with some degree of confidence?> >> >I think they maybe - if using both the above targets together;> >because this gives over 96% accuracy. The reason I say this is> >that only 1 chart gave an incorrect answer to both targets.> >Looking at this one chart I notice that the Moon receives a very> >close aspect from Saturn. I had noticed previously that Saturn> >seemed prominent in other incorrect answers. The problem with> >taking this as a factor, is that Saturn and the Moon would be in> >aspect for some time. If accepting this as a negating factor it> >means that one is likely to get a spurious result during these> >times. The only way to get over this would be to have a very> >tight orb. Even so I am going to keep an eye on Moon Saturn> >contacts when I do a horary chart.> >> >So if members are inclined to test this for themselves I would> >suggest they use the following procedure:> >> >1. Frame the question. Get it very clear in your mind what you> > want answered as Yes of No. Make certain that the question> > is not open ended. The best way to achieve this is to> > concentrate on only ONE thing, person, team, point , place> > etc. where there may be alternatives.> >> >2. Write down the question and concentrate on it.> >> >3. Cast the chart by simply pressing the 'Now' button> > on your astrological software. Do not use a KP number.> >> >4. Check the Moon's position. Is it in an improving house> > or otherwise? If it is, the answer is Yes, otherwise NO.> >> >5 Check the Lagna Sub Lord. Is it a 1st Class Significator> > of an improving house or otherwise? If it is, the answer> > is Yes, otherwise No.> >> >6. If you get 2 Yes or 2 No answers you may feel fairly> > confident about the answer. Where you get 1 Yes or> > 1 No the answer may be a stalemate ie a drawn game> > in a sports competition.> >> >It has been an interesting experiment; and has the advantage for> >a newcomer to KP of confirming some of the basic tenets of the> >system.> >> >I would appreciate it if members would refer to this method as> >the 'Arjee' method so that we will know which method is being> >used when we post results.> >> >> >> >> >Ron Gaunt> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:11:14 -0400, you wrote:> >> >>Dear Group -> >>> >>I have finished my coin toss experiment and have had the following results:> >>> >>Out of 100 coin tosses using the question, "Will my next coin toss turn up HEADS?"> >>Using the number selection method only, the results were that:> >>> >>1) 39 times it came out TRUE> >>2) 32 times the answer was FALSE> >>3) 29 times it was a DO OVER> >>> >>My conclusions were that 39 times is certainly not anywhere near even a 70 % success rate here and indeed it looks like there was an equal chance that it could've tossed up any ONE of these three different ways at any time. So even though it was an interesting thought, I wouldn't be able to scientifically say that it had any validity on a constant basis by using the number method.> >>> >>However I DID always find that my first toss was the most accurate, perhaps because of the initial intention of the coin toss. After a few tries however, the focus loses some of its initiative it seems and then seems to go in all different directions, therefore pointing to the idea that when doing an horary, the intensity of the question asked makes a big difference in the outcome of the answer.> >>> >>Also if I tried to do the coin toss on a down day, or one where I was busy doing other things or not being able to focus directly on this, then of course the results were less than satisfactory. but then again there were other times when I could hit the right answer as much as 6 times in a row, so the results for me are not very conclusive at all.> >>> >>I also believe that what makes an horary system work depends on how each astrologer's mind works and functions, so that any one of us could make a very dependable system of horary for ourselves that would have meaning and authenticity when we do it, similar to the way a person makes conclusions on the interpretation of a dream according to his or her own dream symbols. If the chart is just a focus with which we draw upon our inner resources then each one of us could have success according to the inner symbols that make sense to us, while perhaps another astrologer using that same system might find that it doesn't work for them. The end result of course, would be to come to the same conclusions no matter which individual system is being used.> >>> >>One western horary astrologer for example uses an approach to all yes or no answers in this manner, by considering the selection of the proper houses as crucial for one. And secondly, by setting up a system whereby squares and oppositions between the rulers of the querent and the quesited give NO answers while trines, sextiles and conjunctions between the rulers give a YES answer.> >>> >>So everyone might have a favorite way that seems to work for them. It's just a matter of finding what resonates inside of you and gives you that feeling of "yes!, this works for me" and trusting in your inner self to give you the right answer, no matter what you use to get there.> >>> >>Donna> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Dear members, As a beginner in KP System, I have been going through the postings in this Forum with very keen interest, mainly from the point of view of acquisition of knowledge. I thought that I should share my thoughts frankly with other members and I am open to criticism, constructive or otherwise. Some of the messages that appear seems to be dragged quite unnecessarily which is perhaps questioning the tenets of the Forum itself, clearly contradicting the very objectives. It is also sending wrong signals to the target audience apart from eroding the basic faith and understanding of the system. The observations made by Mr.Ron Gaunt, was perhaps a piece of information, if I have understood it right. In his presentation, he has clearly mentioned that, frame the question precisely, concentrate and use the method suggested. It was preferable had he added " sincerely pray God for a favourable prosperous answer " , provided the queerist is a party to the subject question or has direct interest in the matter. Applying this method for a general subject is like filing a Public interest litigation. Such frivolous issues have come up even in Astrological Magazines. There was indeed a caption " Sade Sathi is good for Sonia Gandhi " when UPA Government came to power. This is as if there are different kinds of Sade Sathi. Therefore generalising specific thumb rules, if any, will only lead to confusion. If Astrology was a mere set of mathematical calculations, perhaps Personal Computers should have been the best of Astrologers. There are no doubts that programmers can develop intuitive programmes, over well-defined knowledge base with any number of futuristic calculations, charts and neuro fuzzy logics. All these things put together can it give any meaningful prediction? How is it in the past even without a clock, astrologers created such excellent base for the future generations, apart from coming out with stunning predictions? Therefore may I request the learned members to share their experience and exposure without either asserting or challenging other members observations, since there are always new and hidden points, in every prediction that is attempted. As I understand Astrology is a subject which needs to be learnt continuously. Perhaps, the amount of God's grace that is required for a prediction to come true is beyond every type of calculation that can be conceived under the Sun. Regards, K Jagadish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 Dear K.J. Welcome to the List. We hope that you will enjoy the experience and continue to share your thoughts. We have an ecumenical approach to astrology whilst using KP as the base. Many of the members here are ex senior members of other Lists where they have at some time or other been admonished for not adhering strictly to the gospel of some other person, be it founder or self styled Guru. Hence here there is no dogmatism and each member is free to express his astrological thoughts as he/she thinks fit. We believe that if there was already a 'perfect' astrological system we would easily see the results in the hands of an 'expert' in that system. All that would be necessary then would be to follow his/her lead and we would become expert astrologers always correct in our predictions and pronouncements. Sadly this does not seem to occur - but some KP practitioners do seem to get better results than those using other methods, which is why we use this as the corner block of our astrological approach. Therefore the object of this List is to Study, experiment, and where possible to improve KP. The founder himself suggested this to his students. I am not quite certain what you are referring to when you say: >It is also sending wrong signals to the target audience apart from eroding the >basic faith and understanding of the system. If you mean that by experimenting we are undermining existing KP thought, I don't think this is the case. Your mail seems to be a result of the Coin Toss experiment. Here we are carrying out an experiment to try to find an answer, that does not appear to have been addressed in KP literature ie a method of simply getting a yes or no to a question. No one on this List or the KP System List - that has some very senior and experienced KP practitioners - have come forward with a method to answer this question. If we simply follow the past there is no way we can improve the system which is what the founder suggested we do. Your thoughts on prayer to achieve results are possibly the same as many of us on this List, but there may well be other astrologers who take a more agnostic approach. One may also believe that God has set up a 'mechanistic' system where if you work within his laws then the results will be the same whether you pray or not. This may be likened to the law of Karma. Do wrong and suffer the consequences, do right and enjoy the benefits. This law appears to apply whether one prays over every action or not. Ron Gaunt On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 09:50:31 -0000, you wrote: >Dear members, > >As a beginner in KP System, I have been going through the postings in >this Forum with very keen interest, mainly from the point of view of >acquisition of knowledge. I thought that I should share my thoughts >frankly with other members and I am open to criticism, constructive >or otherwise. Some of the messages that appear seems to be dragged >quite unnecessarily which is perhaps questioning the tenets of the >Forum itself, clearly contradicting the very objectives. It is also >sending wrong signals to the target audience apart from eroding the >basic faith and understanding of the system. > >The observations made by Mr.Ron Gaunt, was perhaps a piece of >information, if I have understood it right. In his presentation, he >has clearly mentioned that, frame the question precisely, concentrate >and use the method suggested. It was preferable had he >added " sincerely pray God for a favourable prosperous answer " , >provided the queerist is a party to the subject question or has >direct interest in the matter. > >Applying this method for a general subject is like filing a Public >interest litigation. Such frivolous issues have come up even in >Astrological Magazines. There was indeed a caption " Sade Sathi is >good for Sonia Gandhi " when UPA Government came to power. This is as >if there are different kinds of Sade Sathi. Therefore generalising >specific thumb rules, if any, will only lead to confusion. > >If Astrology was a mere set of mathematical calculations, perhaps >Personal Computers should have been the best of Astrologers. There >are no doubts that programmers can develop intuitive programmes, over >well-defined knowledge base with any number of futuristic >calculations, charts and neuro fuzzy logics. All these things put >together can it give any meaningful prediction? How is it in the past >even without a clock, astrologers created such excellent base for the >future generations, apart from coming out with stunning predictions? > >Therefore may I request the learned members to share their experience >and exposure without either asserting or challenging other members >observations, since there are always new and hidden points, in every >prediction that is attempted. As I understand Astrology is a subject >which needs to be learnt continuously. Perhaps, the amount of God's >grace that is required for a prediction to come true is beyond every >type of calculation that can be conceived under the Sun. > >Regards, > >K Jagadish > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 Dear Ron, Thanks for your response. I only meant that experimenting on a very general subject like whether 'X' will win the match or not was perhaps very vague and would almost amount to a kind of simulation. Conclusions of that kind would send wrong signals and tend to prove the method is not correct. According to a practical test of what method you have suggested, in my very recent experience, though Moon occupied a non-progressive house (it was in 8th) but however 11th lord in 11th signifying 11th (if I remember correct, because I have not saved the data), a friend of mine won and Executive Committee election by just one vote. I was sincerely interested in his success inspite of an adverse Astrological ambience as at TOJ. Perhaps, the whole scheme / results may not be just arithmetic in nature, although it can be construed as one of the possible approaches to arrive at an answer. Therefore, I did not mean experimenting is going to erode faith in any system, but I only meant conclusions can not be drawn on a very generic subject. Hope I am now clear. Regards, K Jagadish"rongaunt au" <rongaunt wrote: Dear K.J.Welcome to the List. We hope that you will enjoy the experienceand continue to share your thoughts. We have an ecumenicalapproach to astrology whilst using KP as the base. Many of themembers here are ex senior members of other Lists wherethey have at some time or other been admonished for not adheringstrictly to the gospel of some other person, be it founder orself styled Guru. Hence here there is no dogmatism and eachmember is free to express his astrological thoughts as he/shethinks fit. We believe that if there was already a 'perfect' astrologicalsystem we would easily see the results in the hands of an'expert' in that system. All that would be necessary thenwould be to follow his/her lead and we would become expertastrologers always correct in our predictions and pronouncements.Sadly this does not seem to occur - but some KP practitioners doseem to get better results than those using other methods, whichis why we use this as the corner block of our astrologicalapproach. Therefore the object of this List is to Study, experiment, andwhere possible to improve KP. The founder himself suggestedthis to his students. I am not quite certain what you are referring to when you say:>It is also sending wrong signals to the target audience apart from eroding the >basic faith and understanding of the system.If you mean that by experimenting we are undermining existing KPthought, I don't think this is the case. Your mail seems tobe a result of the Coin Toss experiment. Here we are carryingout an experiment to try to find an answer, that does not appearto have been addressed in KP literature ie a method of simplygetting a yes or no to a question. No one on this List or theKP System List - that has some very senior and experienced KPpractitioners - have come forward with a method to answer thisquestion. If we simply follow the past there is no way we canimprove the system which is what the founder suggested we do.Your thoughts on prayer to achieve results are possibly the sameas many of us on this List, but there may well be otherastrologers who take a more agnostic approach. One may alsobelieve that God has set up a 'mechanistic' system where if youwork within his laws then the results will be the same whetheryou pray or not. This may be likened to the law of Karma.Do wrong and suffer the consequences, do right and enjoy thebenefits. This law appears to apply whether one prays overevery action or not.Ron GauntOn Fri, 01 Jul 2005 09:50:31 -0000, you wrote:>Dear members,>>As a beginner in KP System, I have been going through the postings in >this Forum with very keen interest, mainly from the point of view of >acquisition of knowledge. I thought that I should share my thoughts >frankly with other members and I am open to criticism, constructive >or otherwise. Some of the messages that appear seems to be dragged >quite unnecessarily which is perhaps questioning the tenets of the >Forum itself, clearly contradicting the very objectives. It is also >sending wrong signals to the target audience apart from eroding the >basic faith and understanding of the system.>>The observations made by Mr.Ron Gaunt, was perhaps a piece of >information, if I have understood it right. In his presentation, he >has clearly mentioned that, frame the question precisely, concentrate >and use the method suggested. It was preferable had he >added "sincerely pray God for a favourable prosperous answer", >provided the queerist is a party to the subject question or has >direct interest in the matter.>>Applying this method for a general subject is like filing a Public >interest litigation. Such frivolous issues have come up even in >Astrological Magazines. There was indeed a caption "Sade Sathi is >good for Sonia Gandhi" when UPA Government came to power. This is as >if there are different kinds of Sade Sathi. Therefore generalising >specific thumb rules, if any, will only lead to confusion. >>If Astrology was a mere set of mathematical calculations, perhaps >Personal Computers should have been the best of Astrologers. There >are no doubts that programmers can develop intuitive programmes, over >well-defined knowledge base with any number of futuristic >calculations, charts and neuro fuzzy logics. All these things put >together can it give any meaningful prediction? How is it in the past >even without a clock, astrologers created such excellent base for the >future generations, apart from coming out with stunning predictions?>>Therefore may I request the learned members to share their experience >and exposure without either asserting or challenging other members >observations, since there are always new and hidden points, in every >prediction that is attempted. As I understand Astrology is a subject >which needs to be learnt continuously. Perhaps, the amount of God's >grace that is required for a prediction to come true is beyond every >type of calculation that can be conceived under the Sun.>>Regards,>>K Jagadish>>>>>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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