Guest guest Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 Dear Members: RE 4 step Theorey> I talked with Sunil Gondhalekar, regarding translating his 16 lessons on this Theorey into english. He told me he will consider it after Deevali. I have offered my services in this project. Besides extension of KP theory, he has also some rational and innovative methods. For example, his students consider 3rd and 8th house for marriage. 3rd for negotiations, 8th as getting an inhertance. Either Dowry or Share is partners wealth. These plus 2,7,11. I am reading some old issues of the Magazines published by him, and find that all articles, using 4 step method give a fairly correct timing of the events, marriage passing exams, going abroad etc. The timimg are not ON the DOT, due to perhaps the Ayanamsa problem, but close enough for practical purposes. The authors also have published some cases where their prediction went wrong, and asked others to comment. All in all, it is an interesting publication. Good Luck wrote: There are 5 messages in this issue.Topics in this digest:1. Re: Rectification of Birth Time"rsatish1942" 2. Re: Rectification of Birth Time"rsatish1942" 3. Chart analysisCleto Sanjur 4. Re: Rectification of Birth Time"Shirish Jain" 5. Re: Re: Rectification of Birth Timedilip ranade __________Message: 1 Mon, 04 Jul 2005 15:02:44 -0000"rsatish1942" Re: Rectification of Birth TimeDear Shirish Jain,The 4 step theory is an extension of standard KP.Like any thing new and revolutionary has its own captive audience.Since its knowledge is restricted to Marathi speaking group, no effort was made to spread it to english knowing group.Although I have a speaking knowledge of Marathi being aresident of Bombay for over 6 decades, I donot have detailed knowledge of Marathi Technical terms to appreciate the sense being conveyed. I am,nevertheless ,in the process of understanding the subject.Sorry, you will have to wait for some time.Regards,Satish , "Shirish Jain" wrote:> Dear Satish:> > Is it possible for you to provide an overview of this methodology for> those of us that are unfamiliar with this approach?> > Thanks.> Shirish> > , "rsatish1942" wrote:> > Dear Ron,> > > > The 4 step method,has become very popular among the > > locals,unfortunately not being in English,has its own captive > > audience.> > I spoke to the author of this method ,if he was planning to bring an > > English translation,which he had targetted for this year,he > > mentioned due ill health he was unable to do so . We can only pray > > for his good health,at this moment.> > > > Regards,> > > > Satish > > > > > > > > , "rongaunt@b... au" > > wrote:> > > > > > Dear Satish,> > > > > > > > > The four step method you mention should be capable of being> > > checked for validity. A prominent planet say in conjunction with> > > natal Ascendant and shown to be important in subsequent events> > > should show whether this works.> > > > > > I did a quick check on Tony Blair who has Jupiter in close> > > conjunction with the Ascendant. Jupiter has been very> > > prominent in transit in all his political successes.> > > > > > 1. Jupiter's location in respect of bhavas: Jupiter owns 8th, > > > 9th and 12th houses.> > > > > > 2. The starlord of above planet and significations: Starlord is> > > Sun which is strong 1st and 2nd class significators of the> > > 12th house, but is also weaker significator of 1st house.> > > > > > 3. The sublord of planet as in 1.and significations: Sublord is> > > Mercury. Mercury is significator of 4 and associated with> > > 2,3,6, and 12.> > > > > > 4. Starlord of sublord and significations: Starlord is Ketu > > > which is 1st class significators of 6, 10, and 11.> > > > > > > > > On the whole what stands out here is that except for item> > > 4 the other indicators are not very persuasive.> > > However item 4 seems extremely persuasive and warrants > > > further investigation.> > > > > > Of course this is only one case and really requires many cases> > > for correct determination. Note that Blair also has Mars in> > > conjunction with his Ascendant, and this comes up with better> > > indications, although Mars is not as prominent in transit for his> > > career successes.> > > > > > Thanks for the information.> > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Gaunt> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:31:19 -0000, you wrote:> > > > > > >Dear Ron, > > > >> > > >Many thanks for your kind reply. I am familiar with the use of > > > >pendulum mainly for dowsing purposes.I have never tried for birth > > > >time rectification.> > > >> > > >In Mumbai, amongst the locals there is the concept of 4 step > > method > > > >where for each planet ,4 levels of signification are arrived at> > > >1.the planets location in respective, ownership of bhavas> > > >2 the starlord of above planet and significations> > > >3 the sublord of planet as in 1.and significations> > > >4 starlord of sublord and significations.> > > >additional weightage is given to planets in its own star and > > planets > > > >with no planets in its stars.> > > >> > > >The author of this method publishes 2 magazines in Marathi a > > local > > > >language,and annual seminars are held.> > > >Couple of days ago, I spoke to Mr Sunil Gondhalekar,who has > > written > > > >books on 4 step theory but in Marathi only,(hence restricted > > > >clientile).> > > >> > > >When I spoke to him on the issue of Birth time rectification ,> > > >He mentioned that after trying several methods, he has accepted > > RP > > > >mathodology.The success rate has been around 80%,and was happy > > with > > > >this level.He is an ardent devotee of KP for nearly 30 years.> > > >> > > >To summarise therefore, our search seems to be searching for the > > > >Holy Grail,never ending.> > > >> > > >Regards,> > > >> > > >Satish> > > >> > > >PS for those research minded, you may go the' tatwa' theory,based > > on > > > >5 elements, covered in PVR Rayudus website.there calculations > > are > > > >to be done manually.I have tried,a very painstaking effort,for > > small > > > >success.Mr Khullar , anothed author of Cuspal interlink theory, > > > >states in his book of lack of success in this..> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >-- In , "rongaunt@b... au" > > > > > >wrote:> > > >> > > > >> Dear Satish,> > > >> > > > >> The problem with getting a definitive answer to the problem of> > > >> rectification, is that all too often we are presented with cases> > > >> sponsored by astrologers who have had what they consider a hit > > in> > > >> a particular 'current' case. This may or may not be valid, as> > > >> only time will tell will whether the rectification is correct.> > > >> This was why I suggested the experiments from AA rated birth> > > >> charts. > > > >> > > > >> This experiment whilst interesting - and showing a bias towards> > > >> the horary RP method, is far from conclusive because at best it> > > >> gave a 70% success rate.> > > >> > > > >> Another factor is that this method relies on the 'gift' of the > > > >> individual astrologer. It is not at all unreasonable to > > suggest> > > >> that some astrologers may have the gift of synchronicity whilst> > > >> others do not. We see this in everyday life where some people> > > >> appear to have an excellent sense of timing, whilst others seem> > > >> to always get it wrong.> > > >> > > > >> On the basis of this it is hard to consider that this method can> > > >> ever be labeled scientific.> > > >> > > > >> A more scientific approach is where different astrologers can> > > >> examine the same chart and event and using the same technique> > > >> can arrive at a like conclusion. Methods such as the Nadi> > > >> system, or the Western systems of Kundig and various methods> > > >> of progression, lend themselves to these methods of> > > >> rectification.> > > >> > > > >> The problem is that when put to systematic tests they seldom > > > >> offer the result we would like. I have looked at the Nadi and> > > >> Kundig Systems, and found them wanting. More promising is the> > > >> Western methods of progression, but they need considerable> > > >> research because one has to examine various rates and types of> > > >> progression for each event. There are also other> > > >> considerations such as which angles to use, whether to use Bija> > > >> correction etc.> > > >> > > > >> A simple way of looking at possible rectification is one that> > > >> many Western astrologers resort to. This is looking at> > > >> the transit of planets at the time of an event related to the> > > >> angles of the chart. The slower moving planets do frequently> > > >> give an approximate position of birth chart angles by relation > > to> > > >> the time of an important event.> > > >> > > > >> One method that I have not seen canvassed on any of the Lists is> > > >> one that I have had some success with. This is the use of > > the> > > >> pendulum. I have taken names from a List showing AA rated> > > >> charts where I have not known the time of Birth or any chart> > > >> details. I have then checked for TOB or Lagna position by > > using> > > >> a pendulum. I have been pleasantly surprised to find that> > > >> frequently the result is within a couple of minutes of the> > > >> reported TOB. This has to be more than coincidence out of a> > > >> period of 24 hours. Whilst it is not always so accurate, the> > > >> results are sufficient for me to believe that with practice this> > > >> method could prove very useful.> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Ron Gaunt> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:49:13 -0000, you wrote:> > > >> > > > >> > , "Kanak Bosmia" > > > > > > > >> >wrote:> > > >> >Dear Kanakji,> > > >> >> > > >> >In Astro & KP reader II there was a reference to using 10th Cusp > > to > > > >> >verify the correctness of birth time. I had raised this > > problem > > > >more > > > >> >than a month ago in this forum. Unfortunately , there was NIL > > > >response > > > >> >from any one.This is indeed unfortunate. > > > >> >> > > >> > It is sad, even now the issue of birth time correction is not > > > >> >satisfactorily resolved to provide guidelines.> > > >> >> > > >> > Let the pray for divine intevention,> > > >> >> > > >> > Regards,> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >Satish> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 Dear Shri.Raichur, It is extremely nice of you to volunteer to help translate the material on 4 Step Theory. I am sure this will give all of us a chance to understand KP extensions. Regards, Rangarajan , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Members: > > RE 4 step Theorey> I talked with Sunil Gondhalekar, regarding translating his 16 lessons on this Theorey into english. He told me he will consider it after Deevali. I have offered my > services in this project. Besides extension of KP theory, he has also some rational and > innovative methods. For example, his students consider 3rd and 8th house for marriage. > > 3rd for negotiations, 8th as getting an inhertance. Either Dowry or Share is partners wealth. > > These plus 2,7,11. I am reading some old issues of the Magazines published by him, and > > find that all articles, using 4 step method give a fairly correct timing of the events, marriage > passing exams, going abroad etc. The timimg are not ON the DOT, due to perhaps the > Ayanamsa problem, but close enough for practical purposes. > > The authors also have published some cases where their prediction went wrong, and asked > > others to comment. All in all, it is an interesting publication. > > Good Luck > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 Dear anant and members, Please see comments ** .....................** Ron Gaunt On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 00:38:56 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >Dear Members: > >RE 4 step Theorey> I talked with Sunil Gondhalekar, regarding translating his 16 lessons on this Theorey into english. He told me he will consider it after Deevali. I have offered my >services in this project. Besides extension of KP theory, he has also some rational and >innovative methods. For example, his students consider 3rd and 8th house for marriage. ** Professor V. K. Choudhry in his SATVA system also considers the 8th house for marriage ie for the legal contract. ** > >3rd for negotiations, 8th as getting an inhertance. Either Dowry or Share is partners wealth. ** Also he states 3rd for negotiations and 8th for inheritance. ** > >These plus 2,7,11. I am reading some old issues of the Magazines published by him, and > >find that all articles, using 4 step method give a fairly correct timing of the events, marriage >passing exams, going abroad etc. The timimg are not ON the DOT, due to perhaps the >Ayanamsa problem, but close enough for practical purposes. > >The authors also have published some cases where their prediction went wrong, and asked > >others to comment. All in all, it is an interesting publication. > >Good Luck > > > wrote: >There are 5 messages in this issue. > >Topics in this digest: > >1. Re: Rectification of Birth Time > " rsatish1942 " >2. Re: Rectification of Birth Time > " rsatish1942 " >3. Chart analysis >Cleto Sanjur >4. Re: Rectification of Birth Time > " Shirish Jain " >5. Re: Re: Rectification of Birth Time >dilip ranade > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 1 >Mon, 04 Jul 2005 15:02:44 -0000 > " rsatish1942 " >Re: Rectification of Birth Time > >Dear Shirish Jain, > >The 4 step theory is an extension of standard KP.Like any thing new >and revolutionary has its own captive audience.Since its knowledge >is restricted to Marathi speaking group, no effort was made to >spread it to english knowing group. > >Although I have a speaking knowledge of Marathi being aresident of >Bombay for over 6 decades, I donot have detailed knowledge of >Marathi Technical terms to appreciate the sense being conveyed. I >am,nevertheless ,in the process of understanding the subject. >Sorry, you will have to wait for some time. > >Regards, > >Satish > > > > , " Shirish Jain " >wrote: >> Dear Satish: >> >> Is it possible for you to provide an overview of this methodology >for >> those of us that are unfamiliar with this approach? >> >> Thanks. >> Shirish >> >> , " rsatish1942 " >wrote: >> > Dear Ron, >> > >> > The 4 step method,has become very popular among the >> > locals,unfortunately not being in English,has its own captive >> > audience. >> > I spoke to the author of this method ,if he was planning to >bring an >> > English translation,which he had targetted for this year,he >> > mentioned due ill health he was unable to do so . We can only >pray >> > for his good health,at this moment. >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Satish >> > >> > >> > >> > , " rongaunt@b... au " >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > Dear Satish, >> > > >> > > >> > > The four step method you mention should be capable of being >> > > checked for validity. A prominent planet say in conjunction >with >> > > natal Ascendant and shown to be important in subsequent events >> > > should show whether this works. >> > > >> > > I did a quick check on Tony Blair who has Jupiter in close >> > > conjunction with the Ascendant. Jupiter has been very >> > > prominent in transit in all his political successes. >> > > >> > > 1. Jupiter's location in respect of bhavas: Jupiter owns >8th, >> > > 9th and 12th houses. >> > > >> > > 2. The starlord of above planet and significations: Starlord >is >> > > Sun which is strong 1st and 2nd class significators of the >> > > 12th house, but is also weaker significator of 1st house. >> > > >> > > 3. The sublord of planet as in 1.and significations: Sublord >is >> > > Mercury. Mercury is significator of 4 and associated with >> > > 2,3,6, and 12. >> > > >> > > 4. Starlord of sublord and significations: Starlord is Ketu >> > > which is 1st class significators of 6, 10, and 11. >> > > >> > > >> > > On the whole what stands out here is that except for item >> > > 4 the other indicators are not very persuasive. >> > > However item 4 seems extremely persuasive and warrants >> > > further investigation. >> > > >> > > Of course this is only one case and really requires many cases >> > > for correct determination. Note that Blair also has Mars in >> > > conjunction with his Ascendant, and this comes up with better >> > > indications, although Mars is not as prominent in transit for >his >> > > career successes. >> > > >> > > Thanks for the information. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Ron Gaunt >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:31:19 -0000, you wrote: >> > > >> > > >Dear Ron, >> > > > >> > > >Many thanks for your kind reply. I am familiar with the use >of >> > > >pendulum mainly for dowsing purposes.I have never tried for >birth >> > > >time rectification. >> > > > >> > > >In Mumbai, amongst the locals there is the concept of 4 step >> > method >> > > >where for each planet ,4 levels of signification are arrived >at >> > > >1.the planets location in respective, ownership of bhavas >> > > >2 the starlord of above planet and significations >> > > >3 the sublord of planet as in 1.and significations >> > > >4 starlord of sublord and significations. >> > > >additional weightage is given to planets in its own star and >> > planets >> > > >with no planets in its stars. >> > > > >> > > >The author of this method publishes 2 magazines in Marathi a >> > local >> > > >language,and annual seminars are held. >> > > >Couple of days ago, I spoke to Mr Sunil Gondhalekar,who has >> > written >> > > >books on 4 step theory but in Marathi only,(hence restricted >> > > >clientile). >> > > > >> > > >When I spoke to him on the issue of Birth time >rectification , >> > > >He mentioned that after trying several methods, he has >accepted >> > RP >> > > >mathodology.The success rate has been around 80%,and was >happy >> > with >> > > >this level.He is an ardent devotee of KP for nearly 30 years. >> > > > >> > > >To summarise therefore, our search seems to be searching for >the >> > > >Holy Grail,never ending. >> > > > >> > > >Regards, >> > > > >> > > >Satish >> > > > >> > > >PS for those research minded, you may go the' tatwa' >theory,based >> > on >> > > >5 elements, covered in PVR Rayudus website.there >calculations >> > are >> > > >to be done manually.I have tried,a very painstaking >effort,for >> > small >> > > >success.Mr Khullar , anothed author of Cuspal interlink >theory, >> > > >states in his book of lack of success in this.. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >-- In , " rongaunt@b... au " >> > >> > > >wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> Dear Satish, >> > > >> >> > > >> The problem with getting a definitive answer to the problem >of >> > > >> rectification, is that all too often we are presented with >cases >> > > >> sponsored by astrologers who have had what they consider a >hit >> > in >> > > >> a particular 'current' case. This may or may not be >valid, as >> > > >> only time will tell will whether the rectification is >correct. >> > > >> This was why I suggested the experiments from AA rated birth >> > > >> charts. >> > > >> >> > > >> This experiment whilst interesting - and showing a bias >towards >> > > >> the horary RP method, is far from conclusive because at >best it >> > > >> gave a 70% success rate. >> > > >> >> > > >> Another factor is that this method relies on the 'gift' of >the >> > > >> individual astrologer. It is not at all unreasonable to >> > suggest >> > > >> that some astrologers may have the gift of synchronicity >whilst >> > > >> others do not. We see this in everyday life where some >people >> > > >> appear to have an excellent sense of timing, whilst others >seem >> > > >> to always get it wrong. >> > > >> >> > > >> On the basis of this it is hard to consider that this >method can >> > > >> ever be labeled scientific. >> > > >> >> > > >> A more scientific approach is where different astrologers >can >> > > >> examine the same chart and event and using the same >technique >> > > >> can arrive at a like conclusion. Methods such as the Nadi >> > > >> system, or the Western systems of Kundig and various >methods >> > > >> of progression, lend themselves to these methods of >> > > >> rectification. >> > > >> >> > > >> The problem is that when put to systematic tests they >seldom >> > > >> offer the result we would like. I have looked at the >Nadi and >> > > >> Kundig Systems, and found them wanting. More promising >is the >> > > >> Western methods of progression, but they need considerable >> > > >> research because one has to examine various rates and types >of >> > > >> progression for each event. There are also other >> > > >> considerations such as which angles to use, whether to use >Bija >> > > >> correction etc. >> > > >> >> > > >> A simple way of looking at possible rectification is one >that >> > > >> many Western astrologers resort to. This is looking at >> > > >> the transit of planets at the time of an event related to >the >> > > >> angles of the chart. The slower moving planets do >frequently >> > > >> give an approximate position of birth chart angles by >relation >> > to >> > > >> the time of an important event. >> > > >> >> > > >> One method that I have not seen canvassed on any of the >Lists is >> > > >> one that I have had some success with. This is the use >of >> > the >> > > >> pendulum. I have taken names from a List showing AA >rated >> > > >> charts where I have not known the time of Birth or any chart >> > > >> details. I have then checked for TOB or Lagna position by >> > using >> > > >> a pendulum. I have been pleasantly surprised to find that >> > > >> frequently the result is within a couple of minutes of the >> > > >> reported TOB. This has to be more than coincidence out of >a >> > > >> period of 24 hours. Whilst it is not always so >accurate, the >> > > >> results are sufficient for me to believe that with practice >this >> > > >> method could prove very useful. >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> Ron Gaunt >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:49:13 -0000, you wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> > , " Kanak Bosmia " >> > > > >> > > >> >wrote: >> > > >> >Dear Kanakji, >> > > >> > >> > > >> >In Astro & KP reader II there was a reference to using 10th >Cusp >> > to >> > > >> >verify the correctness of birth time. I had raised this >> > problem >> > > >more >> > > >> >than a month ago in this forum. Unfortunately , there was >NIL >> > > >response >> > > >> >from any one.This is indeed unfortunate. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > It is sad, even now the issue of birth time correction is >not >> > > >> >satisfactorily resolved to provide guidelines. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Let the pray for divine intevention, >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Regards, >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> >Satish >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 Dear Sri Raichur, Thank you very much.I am sure Sunil Gondhalekar,will positively accept your offer,particularly considering your high reputation. Regards, Satish , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Members: > > RE 4 step Theorey> I talked with Sunil Gondhalekar, regarding translating his 16 lessons on this Theorey into english. He told me he will consider it after Deevali. I have offered my > services in this project. Besides extension of KP theory, he has also some rational and > innovative methods. For example, his students consider 3rd and 8th house for marriage. > > 3rd for negotiations, 8th as getting an inhertance. Either Dowry or Share is partners wealth. > > These plus 2,7,11. I am reading some old issues of the Magazines published by him, and > > find that all articles, using 4 step method give a fairly correct timing of the events, marriage > passing exams, going abroad etc. The timimg are not ON the DOT, due to perhaps the > Ayanamsa problem, but close enough for practical purposes. > > The authors also have published some cases where their prediction went wrong, and asked > > others to comment. All in all, it is an interesting publication. > > Good Luck > > > wrote: > There are 5 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Rectification of Birth Time > " rsatish1942 " > 2. Re: Rectification of Birth Time > " rsatish1942 " > 3. Chart analysis > Cleto Sanjur > 4. Re: Rectification of Birth Time > " Shirish Jain " > 5. Re: Re: Rectification of Birth Time > dilip ranade > > > ___________________ ___ > ___________________ ___ > > Message: 1 > Mon, 04 Jul 2005 15:02:44 -0000 > " rsatish1942 " > Re: Rectification of Birth Time > > Dear Shirish Jain, > > The 4 step theory is an extension of standard KP.Like any thing new > and revolutionary has its own captive audience.Since its knowledge > is restricted to Marathi speaking group, no effort was made to > spread it to english knowing group. > > Although I have a speaking knowledge of Marathi being aresident of > Bombay for over 6 decades, I donot have detailed knowledge of > Marathi Technical terms to appreciate the sense being conveyed. I > am,nevertheless ,in the process of understanding the subject. > Sorry, you will have to wait for some time. > > Regards, > > Satish > > > > , " Shirish Jain " > wrote: > > Dear Satish: > > > > Is it possible for you to provide an overview of this methodology > for > > those of us that are unfamiliar with this approach? > > > > Thanks. > > Shirish > > > > , " rsatish1942 " > wrote: > > > Dear Ron, > > > > > > The 4 step method,has become very popular among the > > > locals,unfortunately not being in English,has its own captive > > > audience. > > > I spoke to the author of this method ,if he was planning to > bring an > > > English translation,which he had targetted for this year,he > > > mentioned due ill health he was unable to do so . We can only > pray > > > for his good health,at this moment. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rongaunt@b... au " > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > > > > > > > The four step method you mention should be capable of being > > > > checked for validity. A prominent planet say in conjunction > with > > > > natal Ascendant and shown to be important in subsequent events > > > > should show whether this works. > > > > > > > > I did a quick check on Tony Blair who has Jupiter in close > > > > conjunction with the Ascendant. Jupiter has been very > > > > prominent in transit in all his political successes. > > > > > > > > 1. Jupiter's location in respect of bhavas: Jupiter owns > 8th, > > > > 9th and 12th houses. > > > > > > > > 2. The starlord of above planet and significations: Starlord > is > > > > Sun which is strong 1st and 2nd class significators of the > > > > 12th house, but is also weaker significator of 1st house. > > > > > > > > 3. The sublord of planet as in 1.and significations: Sublord > is > > > > Mercury. Mercury is significator of 4 and associated with > > > > 2,3,6, and 12. > > > > > > > > 4. Starlord of sublord and significations: Starlord is Ketu > > > > which is 1st class significators of 6, 10, and 11. > > > > > > > > > > > > On the whole what stands out here is that except for item > > > > 4 the other indicators are not very persuasive. > > > > However item 4 seems extremely persuasive and warrants > > > > further investigation. > > > > > > > > Of course this is only one case and really requires many cases > > > > for correct determination. Note that Blair also has Mars in > > > > conjunction with his Ascendant, and this comes up with better > > > > indications, although Mars is not as prominent in transit for > his > > > > career successes. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:31:19 -0000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >Dear Ron, > > > > > > > > > >Many thanks for your kind reply. I am familiar with the use > of > > > > >pendulum mainly for dowsing purposes.I have never tried for > birth > > > > >time rectification. > > > > > > > > > >In Mumbai, amongst the locals there is the concept of 4 step > > > method > > > > >where for each planet ,4 levels of signification are arrived > at > > > > >1.the planets location in respective, ownership of bhavas > > > > >2 the starlord of above planet and significations > > > > >3 the sublord of planet as in 1.and significations > > > > >4 starlord of sublord and significations. > > > > >additional weightage is given to planets in its own star and > > > planets > > > > >with no planets in its stars. > > > > > > > > > >The author of this method publishes 2 magazines in Marathi a > > > local > > > > >language,and annual seminars are held. > > > > >Couple of days ago, I spoke to Mr Sunil Gondhalekar,who has > > > written > > > > >books on 4 step theory but in Marathi only,(hence restricted > > > > >clientile). > > > > > > > > > >When I spoke to him on the issue of Birth time > rectification , > > > > >He mentioned that after trying several methods, he has > accepted > > > RP > > > > >mathodology.The success rate has been around 80%,and was > happy > > > with > > > > >this level.He is an ardent devotee of KP for nearly 30 years. > > > > > > > > > >To summarise therefore, our search seems to be searching for > the > > > > >Holy Grail,never ending. > > > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > > > > > >Satish > > > > > > > > > >PS for those research minded, you may go the' tatwa' > theory,based > > > on > > > > >5 elements, covered in PVR Rayudus website.there > calculations > > > are > > > > >to be done manually.I have tried,a very painstaking > effort,for > > > small > > > > >success.Mr Khullar , anothed author of Cuspal interlink > theory, > > > > >states in his book of lack of success in this.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- In , " rongaunt@b... au " > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Dear Satish, > > > > >> > > > > >> The problem with getting a definitive answer to the problem > of > > > > >> rectification, is that all too often we are presented with > cases > > > > >> sponsored by astrologers who have had what they consider a > hit > > > in > > > > >> a particular 'current' case. This may or may not be > valid, as > > > > >> only time will tell will whether the rectification is > correct. > > > > >> This was why I suggested the experiments from AA rated birth > > > > >> charts. > > > > >> > > > > >> This experiment whilst interesting - and showing a bias > towards > > > > >> the horary RP method, is far from conclusive because at > best it > > > > >> gave a 70% success rate. > > > > >> > > > > >> Another factor is that this method relies on the 'gift' of > the > > > > >> individual astrologer. It is not at all unreasonable to > > > suggest > > > > >> that some astrologers may have the gift of synchronicity > whilst > > > > >> others do not. We see this in everyday life where some > people > > > > >> appear to have an excellent sense of timing, whilst others > seem > > > > >> to always get it wrong. > > > > >> > > > > >> On the basis of this it is hard to consider that this > method can > > > > >> ever be labeled scientific. > > > > >> > > > > >> A more scientific approach is where different astrologers > can > > > > >> examine the same chart and event and using the same > technique > > > > >> can arrive at a like conclusion. Methods such as the Nadi > > > > >> system, or the Western systems of Kundig and various > methods > > > > >> of progression, lend themselves to these methods of > > > > >> rectification. > > > > >> > > > > >> The problem is that when put to systematic tests they > seldom > > > > >> offer the result we would like. I have looked at the > Nadi and > > > > >> Kundig Systems, and found them wanting. More promising > is the > > > > >> Western methods of progression, but they need considerable > > > > >> research because one has to examine various rates and types > of > > > > >> progression for each event. There are also other > > > > >> considerations such as which angles to use, whether to use > Bija > > > > >> correction etc. > > > > >> > > > > >> A simple way of looking at possible rectification is one > that > > > > >> many Western astrologers resort to. This is looking at > > > > >> the transit of planets at the time of an event related to > the > > > > >> angles of the chart. The slower moving planets do > frequently > > > > >> give an approximate position of birth chart angles by > relation > > > to > > > > >> the time of an important event. > > > > >> > > > > >> One method that I have not seen canvassed on any of the > Lists is > > > > >> one that I have had some success with. This is the use > of > > > the > > > > >> pendulum. I have taken names from a List showing AA > rated > > > > >> charts where I have not known the time of Birth or any chart > > > > >> details. I have then checked for TOB or Lagna position by > > > using > > > > >> a pendulum. I have been pleasantly surprised to find that > > > > >> frequently the result is within a couple of minutes of the > > > > >> reported TOB. This has to be more than coincidence out of > a > > > > >> period of 24 hours. Whilst it is not always so > accurate, the > > > > >> results are sufficient for me to believe that with practice > this > > > > >> method could prove very useful. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Ron Gaunt > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:49:13 -0000, you wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > , " Kanak Bosmia " > > > > > > > > > >> >wrote: > > > > >> >Dear Kanakji, > > > > >> > > > > > >> >In Astro & KP reader II there was a reference to using 10th > Cusp > > > to > > > > >> >verify the correctness of birth time. I had raised this > > > problem > > > > >more > > > > >> >than a month ago in this forum. Unfortunately , there was > NIL > > > > >response > > > > >> >from any one.This is indeed unfortunate. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > It is sad, even now the issue of birth time correction is > not > > > > >> >satisfactorily resolved to provide guidelines. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Let the pray for divine intevention, > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Regards, > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Satish > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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