Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Dear members, I request our learned members to enlighten us as to what is meant by Arabic parts and their usefulness in astrological prediction with examples, if possible. G.Subramanian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Dear Mr. Subramanian, The origin of the Arabic Parts is actually greek and, some say,possibly Egyptian as well. In the middle ages, astrology flourished in the middle east and hellenistic techniques were absorbed and refined by the mathematically minded Arabic philosophers. The usage of these parts is specific to western,tropical astrology of the ancient greeks and the arabs of the middle ages, continuing on into the renaissance and ceasing to be used almost completley, except for the well known part of fortune, by the 17th century. Parts are extracted by taking the distance between two planets or between a planet and a part or a planet and a house cusp. That distance is then projected from another point, usually the ascendant. Usually the two points would share in the signification of the theme of the part. For instance, the part of pleasure and amusements which was taken from Venus to the 7th house cusp and projected from the ascendant. Venus is representative of pleasures, sexual and otherwise, and the 7th is the house of conjugal love as well as sexual union. These parts would then be looked at to confirm judgement or give extra information. Also, the part of fortune was used as an alternate ascendant by the ancient greeks,rather like the Chandra Lagna in Jyotish.There are approximately 100 parts for usage in natal charts and there are special parts for horary, mundane charts and charts for the purchase of commodities. I have noticed that the part of fortune is sometimes taken into account in the KP system. Recent research into the ancient texts have found that the formula for the part of fortune is only half correct. Most of you may know that the bulk of the western astrological tradition comes from Ptolemy. There is no evidence that Ptolemy himself was an astrologer,but rather a compiler of astrological information. In his Tetrabiblos, he gives the formula for the part of fortune as the distance from the Sun To Moon which is then projected from the ascendant. However, for a night birth the formula should be reversed (Moon to Sun). Usage of this formula is shown in the works of 4th century astrologer Vettius Valens, who used many example charts in his book on nativities. Now, with all that said, I cannot see, nor have I ever seen any usage of parts in jyotish, except for the kp system. If anyone has further interest in the parts or any other aspects of ancient western astrology, please feel free to contact me privately. Namaste, Antoine , GURUMURTHY SUBRAMANIAN <gurusubra> wrote: > > Dear members, > > I request our learned members to enlighten us as to what is meant by Arabic parts and their usefulness in astrological prediction with examples, if possible. > G.Subramanian > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 dear members Arabian points - are used in the name of Punya Sahama in Tajaka System - In Hindu tradional astrology also it is used - Dif of Sun and Moon plus lagna - in another way thiti plus lagna - this is sensitive point - current transit on these points sugest fructification of good events - sambasiva rao astrologer antoine <dionys1 wrote: Dear Mr. Subramanian,The origin of the Arabic Parts is actually greek and, some say,possibly Egyptian as well. In the middle ages, astrology flourished in the middle east and hellenistic techniques were absorbed and refined by the mathematically minded Arabic philosophers.The usage of these parts is specific to western,tropical astrology of the ancient greeks and the arabs of the middle ages, continuing on into the renaissance and ceasing to be used almost completley, except for the well known part of fortune, by the 17th century.Parts are extracted by taking the distance between two planets or between a planet and a part or a planet and a house cusp. That distance is then projected from another point, usually the ascendant. Usually the two points would share in the signification of the theme of the part. For instance, the part of pleasure and amusements which was taken from Venus to the 7th house cusp and projected from the ascendant. Venus is representative of pleasures, sexual and otherwise, and the 7th is the house of conjugal love as well as sexual union. These parts would then be looked at to confirm judgement or give extra information. Also, the part of fortune was used as an alternate ascendant by the ancient greeks,rather like the Chandra Lagna in Jyotish.There are approximately 100 parts for usage in natal charts and there are special parts for horary, mundane charts and charts for the purchase of commodities.I have noticed that the part of fortune is sometimes taken into account in the KP system. Recent research into the ancient texts have found that the formula for the part of fortune is only half correct. Most of you may know that the bulk of the western astrological tradition comes from Ptolemy. There is no evidence that Ptolemy himself was an astrologer,but rather a compiler of astrological information. In his Tetrabiblos, he gives the formula for the part of fortune as the distance from the Sun To Moon which is then projected from the ascendant. However, for a night birth the formula should be reversed (Moon to Sun). Usage of this formula is shown in the works of 4th century astrologer Vettius Valens, who used many example charts in his book on nativities.Now, with all that said, I cannot see, nor have I ever seen any usage of parts in jyotish, except for the kp system. If anyone has further interest in the parts or any other aspects of ancient western astrology, please feel free to contact me privately.Namaste,Antoine , GURUMURTHY SUBRAMANIAN <gurusubra> wrote:> > Dear members,> > I request our learned members to enlighten us as to what is meant by Arabic parts and their usefulness in astrological prediction with examples, if possible.> G.Subramanian> > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > Do You ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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