Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Thanks, Chris! I want to look at this chart in the next few days. I remember coming to the conclusion myself that the 2:17-2:21 pm chart had some good historical support behind it. Therese At 12:10 PM 5/26/04 -0700, Chris wrote: >Therese, > >Here's the post from the other list. I would add that the Magi society uses 2.21 pm -- so that's more or less the same chart. > >Although I've been using the 1781 articles of Confederation chart as rectified by Ron Grimes for a while now, I would recommend list members take a good look at the USA chart for Jul 4 1776 2.17 pm. This chart has been widely used by some US astrologers for some time, although it is probably not among the top three choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Therese, Do you know what the astrological paternity of this chart is? I know the Magi Society uses 2.21 pm but I think it existed before they got a hold of it. I honestly don't know the source of it in my files. Chris - " Therese Hamilton " <eastwest Wednesday, May 26, 2004 10:06 AM Re: USA chart > Thanks, Chris! I want to look at this chart in the next few days. I > remember coming to the conclusion myself that the 2:17-2:21 pm chart had > some good historical support behind it. > > Therese > > At 12:10 PM 5/26/04 -0700, Chris wrote: > >Therese, > > > >Here's the post from the other list. I would add that the Magi society > uses 2.21 pm -- so that's more or less the same chart. > > > >Although I've been using the 1781 articles of Confederation chart as > rectified by Ron Grimes for a while now, I would recommend list members > take a good look at the USA chart for Jul 4 1776 2.17 pm. This chart has > been widely used by some US astrologers for some time, although it is > probably not among the top three choices. > > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Chris, I'll try to find the source. One part of it was that in some way the time was recorded on currency. It may be in an older publication of ISAR. I remember the source was very convincing, and I'm sure I have it noted somewhere. Therese , " Christopher Kevill " <christopher.kevill@s...> wrote: > Therese, > > Do you know what the astrological paternity of this chart is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 At 07:35 PM 5/27/04 -0000, Chris wrote: >One has to explain the Saturn >aspect from the 12th to the 11 lord Sun however. Not exactly a >textbook chart for wealth and gains. Chris, Saturn is a major benefic for a Libra ascendant, and it's in a good sign for Saturn. >Unless it implies that gains >are ill-gotten through hidden or nefarious means. See free masons >and the Illuminati for more details... I don't know about the Masons and Illuminati....but the lord of the house of patronage (11th) is with lord of 6th, Jupiter. That would do it--gains through nefarious means. In Jyotish wealth is supposed to have to do with the association or aspect of 1st, 2nd, 11th lords often with benefic lords or houses (5th and 9th). So we have 1st lord (Venus) with 2nd lord Mars) with 11th lord (Sun) in the 9th sign. 6th lord Jupiter gets in the way, so we have the oil situation in Iraq. Nothing legal or fair about that (Jupiter as 6th lord). Supposing this chart checked out, I'd move the time back a little to give an Aquarius navamsa ascendant with Jupiter. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 At 12:01 AM 6/18/04 -0700, Dark*Star wrote: > >Hi Therese, > >How do you find these dreadful things to worry about? Oh, I don't worry! I'm a detached observer. >If the Kelleher >is of value then I fear Bush will impose upon the Law. God, I hope he >doesn't become the Law. Sun-Saturn-ASC in close partile conjunction >(in the Lilly sense). We need to invent a word for exact aspect to 0*00'00 " . >Please post a couple solar returns that notoriously didn't 'work out.' You >say they have to exist... I thought I said that we should look at other returns to see if they check out--nothing about returns not working out. If you have time, please post a few dates for U.S. events that you find particularly interesting. I have about 50 things going at the moment and am no expert on U.S. history. How about the date JFK was asassinated, plus his birth data? I asked Kelleher to share some of his dates, but he declined. As expected. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 HI Therese and all I love looking at US charts! As y'all know my favorite to date is placing Uranus on the ASC on 7-4th 1776. JFK assasinated in Dallas TX on 11 22, 1963 (I got weary trying to find the time, but I'll bet some of you know. Memory says early afternoon. JFK 5-29-17 3pm Brookline Mass (Clifford charts, rating data A) RFK assasinated 6-05-68 12:15am LA /CA --- birth data: 11-20-25 3:11pm Brookline MAss MLK assasinated 4-04-68 7:05pm Memphis TN (I have not dug up birth data...gotta go) cynthia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Dear Alexandro, This is the chart I was referring to in my previous email. Best wishes, Jorge ------------------------------- 2º Congresso dos EUA Jul 2, 1776 11:21 AM +05:00 EST Philadelphia, PA:USA Longitude: 75W10 Latitude: 39N57 Lahiri Ayanamsha: 20:44 Current Period: VE/JU/VE Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord ================================================ Asc 10:20 Vir Hasta Mo Sun 20:26 Gem +00:57:10 FM Punarvasu Ju Moon 04:07 Cap +14:16:17 WK U.Shadya Su Mars 29:06 Tau +00:41:04 FM Mrigsira Ma MercR 04:19 Can -00:18:42 CM Pushya Sa Jupt 14:41 Gem +00:13:36 CM Ardra Ra Ven 09:37 Gem +01:13:28 ST Ardra Ra Sat 24:00 Vir +00:01:35 FM Chitra Ma Rahu 15:51 Can -00:01:01 FM Pushya Sa Ketu 15:51 Cap -00:01:01 FM Shravana Mo True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 723 beats Day: Tuesday Sunrise: 4:37 AM Tithi: Krishna Dvitiya Yoga Pt: 27:53 Ge Yogi:Ju AviYogi:Su Dup Yogi: Me Dagha Rashis: Sag Pisces Rashi Chart ******************************************************* ** 7 * * 5 ** *8 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * AS 10:20 * * MER04:19* * * 6 SA 24:00 * 4 RA 15:51* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * VE 09:37 ** *9 * 3 JU 14:41 * ** * * SU 20:26 ** *10* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *MO 04:07 * * * * * *KE 15:51 * 12 * 2 MA 29:06* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** 11 * * 1 ** ******************************************************* Navamsha ******************************************************* ** 2 * * 12 ** *3 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * KE * * * * * * * AS * * MO * * * 1 SU * 11 JU * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *4 * 10 * ** * * ** *5 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *MER * * * * * *SA * 7 * 9 VE * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * MA * * RA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** 6 * * 8 ** ******************************************************* alexandrodem [alexandrodem] quinta-feira, 21 de Outubro de 2004 22:37 SAMVA USA Chart Dear Members, Can someone point me to the USA Chart that you are using or considering as rectified? Thanks for your responses, Alexandro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Friends, Following the posting of my Proposed USA Chart I re-read it for the first time since the early days when it was first written. I notice that I then made the statement that I prefer the True Nodes and Parallax Moon. I wish to correct this with my more recent research in other areas; and say that I now prefer the Mean Node, and none parallax Moon. This has eventuated because when I analysed quite a few charts of accidents I found the Mean Node more prominent. Parallax Moon has only recently started to be used by many astrologers now that the calculation is quick and easy with computer programs, but I know of no specific research to determine suitability. It is only in the last few days, as a by product of my research into finding a good rectification method, that I have seen without a doubt that Parallax Moon is not as indicative of events. This was clearly indicated by almost every pre natal chart (of observed birth times) showing greater deviations with a Parallax Moon. Ron Gaunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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