Guest guest Posted February 9, 2000 Report Share Posted February 9, 2000 In a message dated 09/02/2000 14:39:03 GMT Standard Time, Aumgn93 writes: << one challenge remains -- namely, what to do with the Equinox points >> They would appear to have more of a spiritual , even esoteric meaning , relating to things like reincarnation , karma , the time our souls are not on earth ( which we could stretch to dreams , OOBEs , NDE's ) . This I derive from the fact that , pace R.H.Allen , Cancer was to the 'Chaldeans' and Platonists the Gate of Men through which souls descended into human bodies and Capricorn the Gate of the Gods through which they ascended to the stars . This is merely a brief outline -- please do fill in the blanks list . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2000 Report Share Posted February 9, 2000 In a message dated 00-02-09 17:54:08 EST, you write: > << one challenge remains -- namely, what to > do with the Equinox points >> > > They would appear to have more of a spiritual , even esoteric meaning , > relating to things like reincarnation , karma , the time our souls are not on > earth ( which we could stretch to dreams , OOBEs , NDE's ) . This I derive > from the fact that , pace R.H.Allen , Cancer was to the 'Chaldeans' and > Platonists the Gate of Men through which souls descended into human bodies > and Capricorn the Gate of the Gods through which they ascended to the stars . > > This is merely a brief outline -- please do fill in the blanks list . Over the weekend I was going through Sakoian & Acker's _Astrologer's Handbook_, and nearly all references to the Lunar Nodes were about external issues, spiritual or mundane, karma included. Also present were things such as social trends, institutions, luck, opportunities, and relations with others. Since the Moon _reflects_ the Sun, I would think (but, I could, of course, be wrong) that the Solar Nodes would be the _individual_ counterpart to the Lunar Nodes ( " I see myself reflected in others " ). For instance, where the Lunar Nodes (supposedly) describe past karma, the Solar Nodes would be about karmic solutions. Lunar Node opportunites to acquire would reflect Solar Node urges to let go. Lunar Node luck would indicate the Solar Nodes' key to freedom from randomness. Social trends have a counterpart in one's internal changes, physical or mental. As Siderealists, we must keep the following in mind: Since the Solar Nodes move even more slowly than the Lunar Nodes, their signs, are going to be the same for everyone (Solar North Node in Sidereal Pisces, Solar South Node in Sidereal Virgo; and it's been this way since the Spring Equinox, 221AD, with a couple of centuries to go, y'know). They are beyond " generational, " since they last even longer than outer planet aspects. Only aspects to the Solar Nodes, and the houses they're in, will change from person to person. The only problem I have with the reply, quoted above, is that to Tropicalists, 00*Can00' and 00*Cap00' are the points that _square_ the Solar Nodes, which to them are 00*Ari00' and 00*Lib00'. I don't mean to deny the importance of a planet or point that squares the Solar Nodes, but at the moment, those points are at 05* Sidereal Gemini/Sagittarius (give or take a few minutes <g>). Something just occurred to me -- the Solar Nodes are in mutable Sidereal signs, and the past two millenia have seen the greatest changes in the human condition. These changes have accelerated as the Solar Nodes get closer to their Fixed Sign Ingresses. Could this be the " real " astrological cause of what the Tropicalists are attributing to " Pluto in (Tropical) Sagittarius " ? Does the rate of social progress change with the mode of the Sidereal Sign in which the Solar Nodes transit? This would be most interesting to discuss, IMO. Later, Kevin/Baraka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2000 Report Share Posted February 12, 2000 Hi, Sateesh! In a message dated 00-02-12 11:50:29 EST, you write: > Being heavily into Vedic Astrology, I have never thought of any Planet other > than the Moon having " Nodes " . Western Astrologers look at it the same way. Maybe it's time to look at other planets' nodes, too. > My theory as to why such emphasis is placed on the Moon's > Nodes (as opposed to that of other Planets) is that studies show > that since Moon governs Mind, the affect of the Lunar-Nodes > upon the Moon creates disturbances (e.g. in the Charts of > Murderers, people who commit violence with no good reason, etc.). I'd be interested in more details on these studies. A similar one, cited in Jim Eshelman's _Interpreting Solar Returns_, showed malefic planets to be in the foreground area more often in criminals' charts than in others (Foreground = in a cadent or angular house, and closer to the angular house cusp than to the cusp of the other house). Astrology is based more on tradition than on empirical evidence, and it's high time that changed. Later, Kevin/Baraka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2000 Report Share Posted February 12, 2000 Dear Kevin, Being heavily into Vedic Astrology, I have never thought of any Planet other than the Moon having " Nodes " . My theory as to why such emphasis is placed on the Moon's Nodes (as opposed to that of other Planets) is that studies show that since Moon governs Mind, the affect of the Lunar-Nodes upon the Moon creates disturbances (e.g. in the Charts of Murderers, people who commit violence with no good reason, etc.). Just something I heard/read - so it may not be right :-) . Very best - Sateesh. ======== - <Aumgn93 < >; <astrology > 12 February 2000 16:40 The Solar " Nodes " > Aumgn93 > > Hello, everyone. > > Technically speaking, the sun has no nodes, or so I discovered last night (or > was it earlier this morning? <g>). > > While looking for material on the Lunar Nodes, I came across Llewellyn > George's observation that a node is a planet's intersection with the Ecliptic > -- and, obviously, the Sun can't intersect its own apparant path. > > However, there is the fact that Noel Tyl placed great emphasis on the > location of " The Aries Point " in his _Astrological Timing of Critical > Illness_. We Siderealists refer to this point as the Synetic Vernal Point, > or SVP, currently located at 5*15' Sidereal Pisces (it's location is why > we're in the Age of Pisces). While it may not be a " real " node, it certainly > behaves like one -- and it was Tyl's book that started me thinking about > this. (On a personal note, my Sun and my triple Uranus-Jupiter-Ascendant > conjunction form a Grand Trine with the SVP -- naturally, I'd love to know > what this means, if anything) > > I would also like to raise a related issue: why don't astrologers look at the > nodes of other planets besides the Moon's? Suppose you have a client whose > personality would indicate, say, some Mercury-Saturn interaction, but, in > their chart, there's just no indicators -- no aspect, no disposition, no > location in a ruled house, no midpoints, nothing. What if it turned out that > one planet aspected the other planet's nodes? I don't know of any software > or ephemeredes on non-lunar nodes, but I think this deserves investigation. > > Later, > Kevin/Baraka > > -------- ------ > > > Please click above to support our sponsor > > > -------- ------ > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2000 Report Share Posted February 12, 2000 Dear kevin, I am using the Goravani 2.26 Software - although most examples are of Americans (famous cases), I will try to pick out some that have the Nodes afflicting the Moon - unless someone else on the List has the Software, and can look those up? I may not be able to do this for a while. Are you referring to Trines when you say Cadent? e.g. 1,5,9 Houses? Do you consider the Angles, 1,4,7,10 Houses or only 4,7,10? Very best - Sateesh. ======== - <Aumgn93 < > 12 February 2000 17:37 Re: The Solar " Nodes " > Aumgn93 > > Hi, Sateesh! > > In a message dated 00-02-12 11:50:29 EST, you write: > > > Being heavily into Vedic Astrology, I have never thought of any Planet > other > > than the Moon having " Nodes " . > > Western Astrologers look at it the same way. Maybe it's time to look at > other planets' nodes, too. > > > My theory as to why such emphasis is placed on the Moon's > > Nodes (as opposed to that of other Planets) is that studies show > > that since Moon governs Mind, the affect of the Lunar-Nodes > > upon the Moon creates disturbances (e.g. in the Charts of > > Murderers, people who commit violence with no good reason, etc.). > > I'd be interested in more details on these studies. A similar one, cited in > Jim Eshelman's _Interpreting Solar Returns_, showed malefic planets to be in > the foreground area more often in criminals' charts than in others > (Foreground = in a cadent or angular house, and closer to the angular house > cusp than to the cusp of the other house). > > Astrology is based more on tradition than on empirical evidence, and it's > high time that changed. > > Later, > Kevin/Baraka > > -------- ------ > > > Please click above to support our sponsor > > > -------- ------ > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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