Guest guest Posted March 9, 2001 Report Share Posted March 9, 2001 Terese, This makes things easier. You're saying that to read Aries in sidereal I should take the Characteristics of Tropical Pisces is That? And that this makes more accurate the rulership of the houses is that? Well, i could make a change in paradigm, but one thing is still strange. The characteristics of the sign are linked to the elements. It is hard to think about an Aries with the Water characteristics of Pisces. just because it is ruled by Mars. The Characteristics of the planets are the same? Peace, Eduardo. - Terese Hamilton <eastwest Thursday, March 08, 2001 8:46 PM Re: Allen's book > To Eduardo: > The meanings of signs in the sidereal zodiac aren't the same as in the > Tropical zodiac. For example, the stubbornness and tenacity of tropical > Taurus belong to sidereal Aries, not because sidereal Aries is fixed, but > because Mars (and Pluto) are the rulers of Aries. Think about that. Could a > Venus ruled sign (Taurus) make a hall-of-fame race car driver? (Dale > Earnhardt). Read my comments on Earnhardt at astrodatabank.com. > (Commentaries on Earnhardt's chart) > > A lot of sidereal people might not agree with me, but as far as I'm > concerned the traits of the observed (that's important--OBSERVED, not > theoretical) tropical signs belong to the PRECEDING sidereal sign, so > there's really no conflict between the two zodiacs as far as how signs > behave. But the sidereal rulers work a lot better in practice. (As, for > example, Mars is the dispositor of Earnhardt's sidereal Sun.) > > I don't know of any book that is entirely correct on the sidereal signs. I > have used the tropical books (those based on observation) for traits and go > back one sign. I use the Western sidereal solar and lunar returns, but > otherwise use the principles of Jyotish/Vedic. The very best book on what's > wrong with tropical signs in relation to their rulers is Rob Hand's > HOROSCOPE SYMBOLS. Read it!! > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2001 Report Share Posted March 9, 2001 At 09:34 PM 3/8/01 -0300, you wrote: > This makes things easier. You're saying that to read Aries in sidereal I >should take the Characteristics of Tropical Pisces is That? And that this >makes more accurate the rulership of the houses is that? Not Pisces, TAURUS. The sidereal zodiac is one sign behind, except for 5-7 degrees, depending on the year and ayanamsa. The last degrees of the tropical signs will tend to behave like the next tropical sign because of tropical/sidereal overlap. So sidereal Aries will be like tropical Taurus. But the end of tropical Taurus will be more like tropical Gemini (which is sidereal Taurus.) Confusing??! You bet! It makes it easier to draw out the 12 signs in a row (12 boxes) and then line up the sidereal signs underneath, leaving an offset of 5-6 degrees. Like this: ---Trop TAU-------!---Trop GEM------!---Trop CAN-----! ------------------!-----------------!----------------! ----Sid ARI----!------Sid TAU----!-----Sid GEM-----! ---------------!-----------------!-----------------! The overlap of the two zodiacs is at the beginning of the sidereal signs and the end of the tropical signs. If there is really ONLY a sidereal zodiac, the last degrees of tropical signs will carry the traits of the next tropical sign, because we'd really be seeing the sidereal zodiac. But if there's really ONLY a tropical zodiac, then the beginnings of sidereal signs would act like the preceding sign, because the tropical zodiac would be reflected in the non-existent sidereal signs. > Well, i could make a change in paradigm, but one thing is still strange. >The characteristics of the sign are linked to the elements. It is hard to >think about an Aries with the Water characteristics of Pisces. just because >it is ruled by Mars. That is a very good and valid point. The elements have to be re-defined in the sidereal zodiac. The so-called element labels were given by Ptolemy in the 2nd century. Before that the sign elements were irregular. Aquarius, for example, was a water sign because of the " watery " stars of the constellation. It's easier to think of the signs in the sidereal zodiac as TRIADS or TRIPLICITIES. So the Mars triad (Aries, Leo, Sag) has to do with will power, determination, and physical plane skills, all of which Mars rules. Mars is FIRE, and fire transmutes one element to another (i.e. will power and mind power can change lives.) This gets rather complex because it involves a mental shift. I've written articles on sidereal polarity (male/female) and the triads. If yuou'd like a photocopy, please send your mailing address. Or I might be able to post the articles here in parts. But I don't want to hog the discussion site. > The Characteristics of the planets are the same? Yes, the planets are the planets. All the signs do is help or hinder the exprsession of the planets. Terrie (Terese) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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