[willowslist] horoscopes

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Jul 2002

 

Karris BB:

 

> so many cultures have has their own horoscope/birth sign

systems..some based

> on trees, some on the constellation ~which by the way, have all

changed

 

The oldest systems were based on the constellation which do

not move. Only under the Greeks was the tropical or seasonal

system introduced. the placement of the signs displace at the rate

of 1 degree per 72 years against the background of the fixed stars.

This is called precession

 

 

> forms and stars over the millennia, so how are the old ones still accurate

> when we look at today's stars?~ some stones, some

animals.....all very rich

> with grains of truth...when you look at them they do seem to

describe you

> to some degree, but if you didn't have the label of the date on it and

you

> just read the descriptions, and picked out the one that most sounded

like

> you, would it match the one that you were born under according to that

> system?

 

 

 

In order to keep up with the effects of precession, the tropicalists

update their meanings If you look at the descriptions given of the Virgo

in today's textbooks and the definition given by the masters of antiquity,

you will see the difference. F. Materenus and Manillius give, “mild and

lady like”. This is hardly the way that the modern text books describe

her. Today’s Virgo is more like what the ancients gave for the Lion.

 

If one were born in antiquity, when the natal sun were conjunct the

great fixed star Aldeberan (alpha Taurus) and were fortunate enough to

be like Merlin and live into the present, when the Sun returned to the

place of birth each year, (the Solar Return) it would be in the sign of

Gemini in the tropical zodiac, due to the displacement of precession, and

in no way near Alpha Taurus in the night sky. The tropical longitude

definition of Aldeberan is in the sign Gemini. However if one were to look

at the night sky, the constellation of Taurus is very recognizable, and

there in the middle is the great red star, called in ancient times the Bull’s

Eye.

 

 

 

> What i guess i am asking is how accurate are these systems? Which

ones

> should we follow? are they just personality guides or can they really tell

> you what your days holds?

 

Even given the disadvantages to the tropical system, the best of the

professionals can tell a great deal about an individual by reading aspects

and using the definitions based on observation. Having said that, I

should add that the Sidereal systems, both in the west and in the east are

known for giving better results, both in personality delineation and in

predictive results. The Hindu astrology of India called Vadic has become

popular here in the west. The western Siderealism, Pioneered by Fagan

and Allen has fallen on hard times. This is a pity, because its

observations and techniques offer the most accurate results.

are the astrologers just pulling this out of

> their bums?

 

Alas, too many of the people out there today,who call themselves

astrologers, do just that, and the paper they print their horoscopes on is

worth only for that.

 

The sidereal system never really went away, it was just displaced by

something more flashy. The Three Wise men (Magi was the Greek term

meaning Astrologer) were using the Sidereal Zodiac when they made the

journey to find the child. They followed the star in the east (In the gospel

account the term used is te anatoli te, the technical astrology term of the

time, to describe the helical phenomenon.) They were using what might

be called Location and Timing techniques.

 

T or are the astrologers just pulling this out of

> their bums?who are really interested in what the stars say, should

seriously and objectively investigate the Sidereal systems, both east and

west.

 

 

 

 

Bert W. Fannin

Western Sidereal Astrologer

Location and Timing Astrology

www.ltastrology.com