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Hello All,

This list has driven me back to my books for review. Recently my

husband casually asked if I could figure out a good " lucky day " . I

thought about it, and long ago articles I had read, but could not

remember much-----I checked out the WEB and found an astrologer out

there that had devised a method he felt was workable and was offering a

free program. Here is the site:

www.luckydays.tv

I ran the program and printed out the chart and a " lucky day " was coming

up, which I kinda' had figured because it was the day of my exact

Jupiter return. He had it as a 5 $ day, the most you can get.

 

I went out of my way that day and played lotto tickets, and casino

games, and while I didn't loose too terribly (am to conservative to

loose much any way) I did not win anything, not even as well as I have

done other times. Am usually pretty lucky.

 

I know some of you are really into " timing " and Jim Bradura who I was

looking for, when I found this list was also. I was wondering what your

imput would be about lucky day indicators, for gambling games (not

horses or sports, I've seen those sites where you find out the players

dates etc.). I did not do so well on that day, but my daughter bought

scratcher lotto tickets on her " lucky day " of only 2 $ signs and won

$25. The planets for her were Jupiter and Mercury and Uranus. I had a

strong Jupiter, but no aspects to Uranus or Mercury. His program is

based on soft aspects, trine, sextile, and conjunction only if between

benefic planets and no hard aspects between any malifics, soooo that

being not very sidereally thinking, I would like some imput from the

viewpoints of Cyril Fagan and Donald Bradley, went back to the books to

try and dig it out (The Solunars Handbook and Solar and Lunar Returns)

but would be very interested in what you all have to say on it.

 

Off hand, I would think Uranus and Mercury would have to be involved

with Jupiter and maybe venus.........and hard aspects would count.

 

Any thoughts???

Phylis

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Hi all!

 

With regard to lucky days, might I just say sure you can pick up some supposedly

lucky days by soft aspects etc BUT - unless your chart first shows that you

have strong indicators for luck to begin with, you are only likely to have

minimal success with gambling ( in most cases in my experience) - I have also

gone to occasionally gamble on " lucky days " and have won a little occasionally,

but my chart does not show luck with gambling - but my friend who has a strong

5th house emphasis, is consistently luckier than anyone I know - he always wins

something - just a little but never comes away with nothing!! He is clever

enough to take his winnings and go!! He has the Sun and Mercury and Jupiter in

his 5th house opposite Uranus and the ruler of the 8th in his second - something

like that - so it is inherent in his chart before the transits come to pick up

on his " potential " . It is quite funny actually - I go and feed the machines

and he goes and gets the money back for us!! :)

 

Interesting subject!

 

Shamira

 

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Phylis & Gary Forsch

Sidereal Astrology

Tuesday, July 23, 2002 5:24 PM

Lucky Dates

 

 

Hello All,

This list has driven me back to my books for review. Recently my

husband casually asked if I could figure out a good " lucky day " . I

thought about it, and long ago articles I had read, but could not

remember much-----I checked out the WEB and found an astrologer out

there that had devised a method he felt was workable and was offering a

free program. Here is the site:

www.luckydays.tv

I ran the program and printed out the chart and a " lucky day " was coming

up, which I kinda' had figured because it was the day of my exact

Jupiter return. He had it as a 5 $ day, the most you can get.

 

I went out of my way that day and played lotto tickets, and casino

games, and while I didn't loose too terribly (am to conservative to

loose much any way) I did not win anything, not even as well as I have

done other times. Am usually pretty lucky.

 

I know some of you are really into " timing " and Jim Bradura who I was

looking for, when I found this list was also. I was wondering what your

imput would be about lucky day indicators, for gambling games (not

horses or sports, I've seen those sites where you find out the players

dates etc.). I did not do so well on that day, but my daughter bought

scratcher lotto tickets on her " lucky day " of only 2 $ signs and won

$25. The planets for her were Jupiter and Mercury and Uranus. I had a

strong Jupiter, but no aspects to Uranus or Mercury. His program is

based on soft aspects, trine, sextile, and conjunction only if between

benefic planets and no hard aspects between any malifics, soooo that

being not very sidereally thinking, I would like some imput from the

viewpoints of Cyril Fagan and Donald Bradley, went back to the books to

try and dig it out (The Solunars Handbook and Solar and Lunar Returns)

but would be very interested in what you all have to say on it.

 

Off hand, I would think Uranus and Mercury would have to be involved

with Jupiter and maybe venus.........and hard aspects would count.

 

Any thoughts???

Phylis

 

 

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--- Phylis & Gary Forsch <forsch wrote:

> Hello All,

> This list has driven me back to my books for review.

> Recently my

> husband casually asked if I could figure out a good

> " lucky day " . I

> thought about it, and long ago articles I had read,

> but could not

> remember much-----I checked out the WEB and found an

> astrologer out

> there that had devised a method he felt was workable

> and was offering a

> free program. Here is the site:

> www.luckydays.tv

> I ran the program and printed out the chart and a

> " lucky day " was coming

> up, which I kinda' had figured because it was the

> day of my exact

> Jupiter return. He had it as a 5 $ day, the most

> you can get.

>

> I went out of my way that day and played lotto

> tickets, and casino

> games, and while I didn't loose too terribly (am to

> conservative to

> loose much any way) I did not win anything, not even

> as well as I have

> done other times. Am usually pretty lucky.

>

> I know some of you are really into " timing " and Jim

> Bradura who I was

> looking for, when I found this list was also. I was

> wondering what your

> imput would be about lucky day indicators, for

> gambling games (not

> horses or sports, I've seen those sites where you

> find out the players

> dates etc.). I did not do so well on that day, but

> my daughter bought

> scratcher lotto tickets on her " lucky day " of only 2

> $ signs and won

> $25. The planets for her were Jupiter and Mercury

> and Uranus. I had a

> strong Jupiter, but no aspects to Uranus or Mercury.

> His program is

> based on soft aspects, trine, sextile, and

> conjunction only if between

> benefic planets and no hard aspects between any

> malifics, soooo that

> being not very sidereally thinking, I would like

> some imput from the

> viewpoints of Cyril Fagan and Donald Bradley, went

> back to the books to

> try and dig it out (The Solunars Handbook and Solar

> and Lunar Returns)

> but would be very interested in what you all have to

> say on it.

>

> Off hand, I would think Uranus and Mercury would

> have to be involved

> with Jupiter and maybe venus.........and hard

> aspects would count.

>

> Any thoughts???

> Phylis

>

>

It helps to have lucky natal (and/or relocated)

aspects to begin with, such as moon/jupiter or

sun/jupiter angular preferably jupiter on the mc. with

venus even more luck and the malefics in the

background. gambling days should coincide with a lucky

solunar return.

 

" To have Jupiter prominent in the solar and lunar

return or the PSSR is the luckiest of omens.......

provided the malefics are in obscurity....but one must

not expect the impossible or fantastic to happen

unless Uranus and Pluto are also involved " quote from

'Cyril Fagan ...Solunars...American Astrology'

 

Mike

 

 

 

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Michael Viele wrote:

 

> It helps to have lucky natal (and/or relocated)

> aspects to begin with, such as moon/jupiter or

> sun/jupiter angular preferably jupiter on the mc. with

> venus even more luck and the malefics in the

> background. gambling days should coincide with a lucky

> solunar return.

>

> " To have Jupiter prominent in the solar and lunar

> return or the PSSR is the luckiest of omens.......

> provided the malefics are in obscurity....but one must

> not expect the impossible or fantastic to happen

> unless Uranus and Pluto are also involved " quote from

> 'Cyril Fagan ...Solunars...American Astrology'

>

> Mike

 

Yes!, that was probably what I was partially remembering, already was

figuring the day should be good, with the Jupiter return high in the

chart and a good lunar return---but was lacking the Uranus part,

although have Uranus opposite Sun conj. Venus and trine Jupiter natally

so almost always at intervals have some lucky times, win prizes and

small lotto tickets etc....must experiment with it some more.

 

Also have a birth t-square with mars, moon and point is Pluto, so

emotionally am an odd one, but have a perfect sense of what an audience

will like, can talk to the masses no problem, but go shy in smaller

groups (makes for a good marketing person, or pr control or clean-up).

This is more in the background out here and the Sun is in my tenth house

out here, so if can capture those moments figure it could happen! Also

was thinking an improved program from that fellows, that was based on

sidereal precepts for friends etc.!

Phylis

 

 

 

>

> --- Phylis & Gary Forsch <forsch wrote:

> >

 

 

 

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, Michael Viele <solunars> wrote:

>

> --- Phylis & Gary Forsch <forsch@a...> wrote:

> > Hello All,

> > ...

> > being not very sidereally thinking, I would like

> > some imput from the

> > viewpoints of Cyril Fagan and Donald Bradley, went

> > back to the books to

> > try and dig it out (The Solunars Handbook and Solar

> > and Lunar Returns)

> > but would be very interested in what you all have to

> > say on it.

> >

> > ...

> > Any thoughts???

> > Phylis

> >

> >

> ...

>

> " To have Jupiter prominent in the solar and lunar

> return or the PSSR is the luckiest of omens.......

> provided the malefics are in obscurity....but one must

> not expect the impossible or fantastic to happen

> unless Uranus and Pluto are also involved " quote from

> 'Cyril Fagan ...Solunars...American Astrology'

>

> Mike

>

In the Sidereal Caplunar preceeding the attack on the World Trade

Center the closest planet to any angle was Jupiter, which flies in

the face of the above quote. Progressing the Caplunar by the apparent

right ascension of the transiting Moon produces the most revealing

chart of the attack to be found by any method. If memory serves me

right this same condition (Jupiter in the foreground) applies to

other Caplunars which preceeded tragedies.

 

The chart can be found in the files here at the board or by using

this link:

 

Sep%2011%

202001/QPL5BNQ.gif

 

When I first joined this board I tried to introduce the method only

to be faced with what I percieved to be confrontation regarding the

methodology so I shut up. I have used progressed lunars for many

years with the same type of results found in the progressed WTC

Center Caplunar for events such as accidental death, murder,

accidents, being hired for a job, periods of depression, public

embarrassment, finding a lost pet, and many, many other events.

 

I urge all to use and investigate these charts, both personal and

mundane. Important findings in my work through the years are:

 

Measurement of planetary position is most accurate when done by right

ascension.

 

The East Point and a point 90 degrees in right ascension from the

Ascendant are very important.

 

Progressed natal positions are more revealing than natal positions.

 

Midpoints, (progressed, transiting, natal, and combinations between

the various types) are very important.

 

My only intent is to share and inform. To that end I will not respond

to any replies or parts of replies that seem confrontational.

 

Bob

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Okay, I'll bite--I went out and looked at the various charts and files

you posted for 9-11 in the groups pages, my superficial thought was:

The " birthtime " of the New York Burroughs was one minute after midnight,

this seemed to me to be possibly an arbitrary for an unknown " time of

birth " , how can any return chart be accurate if this is used????

 

So is the chart showing Jupiter as you say based off these " birth

charts " for NY, also your charts say Tropical, is that so??? If so how

can they be accurately setup not allowing for the errors inate in a

tropical chart and without an accurate birthtime for NY?

 

Phylis

 

> > ...

> >

> > " To have Jupiter prominent in the solar and lunar

> > return or the PSSR is the luckiest of omens.......

> > provided the malefics are in obscurity....but one must

> > not expect the impossible or fantastic to happen

> > unless Uranus and Pluto are also involved " quote from

> > 'Cyril Fagan ...Solunars...American Astrology'

> >

> > Mike

> >

> In the Sidereal Caplunar preceeding the attack on the World Trade

> Center the closest planet to any angle was Jupiter, which flies in

> the face of the above quote. Progressing the Caplunar by the apparent

> right ascension of the transiting Moon produces the most revealing

> chart of the attack to be found by any method. If memory serves me

> right this same condition (Jupiter in the foreground) applies to

> other Caplunars which preceeded tragedies.

>

> The chart can be found in the files here at the board or by using

> this link:

>

> Sep%2011%

> 202001/QPL5BNQ.gif

>

> When I first joined this board I tried to introduce the method only

> to be faced with what I percieved to be confrontation regarding the

> methodology so I shut up. I have used progressed lunars for many

> years with the same type of results found in the progressed WTC

> Center Caplunar for events such as accidental death, murder,

> accidents, being hired for a job, periods of depression, public

> embarrassment, finding a lost pet, and many, many other events.

>

> I urge all to use and investigate these charts, both personal and

> mundane. Important findings in my work through the years are:

>

> Measurement of planetary position is most accurate when done by right

> ascension.

>

> The East Point and a point 90 degrees in right ascension from the

> Ascendant are very important.

>

> Progressed natal positions are more revealing than natal positions.

>

> Midpoints, (progressed, transiting, natal, and combinations between

> the various types) are very important.

>

> My only intent is to share and inform. To that end I will not respond

> to any replies or parts of replies that seem confrontational.

>

> Bob

>

>

>

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Further I don't understand is the quote was in regard to returns and you

are equating it to ingresses??????

 

Phylis

 

jan61108 wrote:

 

> , Michael Viele <solunars> wrote:

> >

> > --- Phylis & Gary Forsch <forsch@a...> wrote:

> > > Hello All,

> > > ...

> > > being not very sidereally thinking, I would like

> > > some imput from the

> > > viewpoints of Cyril Fagan and Donald Bradley, went

> > > back to the books to

> > > try and dig it out (The Solunars Handbook and Solar

> > > and Lunar Returns)

> > > but would be very interested in what you all have to

> > > say on it.

> > >

> > > ...

> > > Any thoughts???

> > > Phylis

> > >

> > >

> > ...

> >

> > " To have Jupiter prominent in the solar and lunar

> > return or the PSSR is the luckiest of omens.......

> > provided the malefics are in obscurity....but one must

> > not expect the impossible or fantastic to happen

> > unless Uranus and Pluto are also involved " quote from

> > 'Cyril Fagan ...Solunars...American Astrology'

> >

> > Mike

> >

> In the Sidereal Caplunar preceeding the attack on the World Trade

> Center the closest planet to any angle was Jupiter, which flies in

> the face of the above quote. Progressing the Caplunar by the apparent

> right ascension of the transiting Moon produces the most revealing

> chart of the attack to be found by any method. If memory serves me

> right this same condition (Jupiter in the foreground) applies to

> other Caplunars which preceeded tragedies.

>

> The chart can be found in the files here at the board or by using

> this link:

>

> Sep%2011%

> 202001/QPL5BNQ.gif

>

> When I first joined this board I tried to introduce the method only

> to be faced with what I percieved to be confrontation regarding the

> methodology so I shut up. I have used progressed lunars for many

> years with the same type of results found in the progressed WTC

> Center Caplunar for events such as accidental death, murder,

> accidents, being hired for a job, periods of depression, public

> embarrassment, finding a lost pet, and many, many other events.

>

> I urge all to use and investigate these charts, both personal and

> mundane. Important findings in my work through the years are:

>

> Measurement of planetary position is most accurate when done by right

> ascension.

>

> The East Point and a point 90 degrees in right ascension from the

> Ascendant are very important.

>

> Progressed natal positions are more revealing than natal positions.

>

> Midpoints, (progressed, transiting, natal, and combinations between

> the various types) are very important.

>

> My only intent is to share and inform. To that end I will not respond

> to any replies or parts of replies that seem confrontational.

>

> Bob

>

>

>

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, Phylis & Gary Forsch <forsch@a...>

wrote:

> Okay, I'll bite--I went out and looked at the various charts and

files

> you posted for 9-11 in the groups pages, my superficial thought was:

> The " birthtime " of the New York Burroughs was one minute after

midnight,

> this seemed to me to be possibly an arbitrary for an unknown " time

of

> birth " , how can any return chart be accurate if this is used????

>

> So is the chart showing Jupiter as you say based off these " birth

> charts " for NY, also your charts say Tropical, is that so??? If so

how

> can they be accurately setup not allowing for the errors inate in a

> tropical chart and without an accurate birthtime for NY?

>

> Phylis

>

> > > ...

 

Data for New York City can be found here:

 

http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/TerrorismNYDC1.htm

 

as well as other places.

 

Do you know what a Sidereal Caplunar is?

 

The charts were originaly done in the Sidereal Zodiac then converted

to the Tropical for the convenience of the vast majority of members

of the astrological community with whom I had contact prior to

joining this group.

 

Bob

> > >

> > > " To have Jupiter prominent in the solar and lunar

> > > return or the PSSR is the luckiest of omens.......

> > > provided the malefics are in obscurity....but one must

> > > not expect the impossible or fantastic to happen

> > > unless Uranus and Pluto are also involved " quote from

> > > 'Cyril Fagan ...Solunars...American Astrology'

> > >

> > > Mike

> > >

> > In the Sidereal Caplunar preceeding the attack on the World Trade

> > Center the closest planet to any angle was Jupiter, which flies in

> > the face of the above quote. Progressing the Caplunar by the

apparent

> > right ascension of the transiting Moon produces the most revealing

> > chart of the attack to be found by any method. If memory serves me

> > right this same condition (Jupiter in the foreground) applies to

> > other Caplunars which preceeded tragedies.

> >

> > The chart can be found in the files here at the board or by using

> > this link:

> >

> > Sep%2011%

> > 202001/QPL5BNQ.gif

> >

> > When I first joined this board I tried to introduce the method

only

> > to be faced with what I percieved to be confrontation regarding

the

> > methodology so I shut up. I have used progressed lunars for many

> > years with the same type of results found in the progressed WTC

> > Center Caplunar for events such as accidental death, murder,

> > accidents, being hired for a job, periods of depression, public

> > embarrassment, finding a lost pet, and many, many other events.

> >

> > I urge all to use and investigate these charts, both personal and

> > mundane. Important findings in my work through the years are:

> >

> > Measurement of planetary position is most accurate when done by

right

> > ascension.

> >

> > The East Point and a point 90 degrees in right ascension from the

> > Ascendant are very important.

> >

> > Progressed natal positions are more revealing than natal

positions.

> >

> > Midpoints, (progressed, transiting, natal, and combinations

between

> > the various types) are very important.

> >

> > My only intent is to share and inform. To that end I will not

respond

> > to any replies or parts of replies that seem confrontational.

> >

> > Bob

> >

> >

> >

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, Phylis & Gary Forsch <forsch@a...>

wrote:

> Okay, I'll bite--I went out and looked at the various charts and

files

> you posted for 9-11 in the groups pages, my superficial thought was:

> The " birthtime " of the New York Burroughs was one minute after

midnight,

> this seemed to me to be possibly an arbitrary for an unknown " time

of

> birth " , how can any return chart be accurate if this is used????

>

> So is the chart showing Jupiter as you say based off these " birth

> charts " for NY, also your charts say Tropical, is that so??? If so

how

> can they be accurately setup not allowing for the errors inate in a

> tropical chart and without an accurate birthtime for NY?

>

> Phylis

>

> > > ...

 

Data for New York City can be found here:

 

http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/TerrorismNYDC1.htm

 

as well as other places.

 

Do you know what a Sidereal Caplunar is?

 

The charts were originaly done in the Sidereal Zodiac then converted

to the Tropical for the convenience of the vast majority of members

of the astrological community with whom I had contact prior to

joining this group.

 

Bob

> > >

> > > " To have Jupiter prominent in the solar and lunar

> > > return or the PSSR is the luckiest of omens.......

> > > provided the malefics are in obscurity....but one must

> > > not expect the impossible or fantastic to happen

> > > unless Uranus and Pluto are also involved " quote from

> > > 'Cyril Fagan ...Solunars...American Astrology'

> > >

> > > Mike

> > >

> > In the Sidereal Caplunar preceeding the attack on the World Trade

> > Center the closest planet to any angle was Jupiter, which flies in

> > the face of the above quote. Progressing the Caplunar by the

apparent

> > right ascension of the transiting Moon produces the most revealing

> > chart of the attack to be found by any method. If memory serves me

> > right this same condition (Jupiter in the foreground) applies to

> > other Caplunars which preceeded tragedies.

> >

> > The chart can be found in the files here at the board or by using

> > this link:

> >

> > Sep%2011%

> > 202001/QPL5BNQ.gif

> >

> > When I first joined this board I tried to introduce the method

only

> > to be faced with what I percieved to be confrontation regarding

the

> > methodology so I shut up. I have used progressed lunars for many

> > years with the same type of results found in the progressed WTC

> > Center Caplunar for events such as accidental death, murder,

> > accidents, being hired for a job, periods of depression, public

> > embarrassment, finding a lost pet, and many, many other events.

> >

> > I urge all to use and investigate these charts, both personal and

> > mundane. Important findings in my work through the years are:

> >

> > Measurement of planetary position is most accurate when done by

right

> > ascension.

> >

> > The East Point and a point 90 degrees in right ascension from the

> > Ascendant are very important.

> >

> > Progressed natal positions are more revealing than natal

positions.

> >

> > Midpoints, (progressed, transiting, natal, and combinations

between

> > the various types) are very important.

> >

> > My only intent is to share and inform. To that end I will not

respond

> > to any replies or parts of replies that seem confrontational.

> >

> > Bob

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Bob,

When you do a Solar or Lunar return do you do them in right ascension ?

then progress them in right ascension also? do you do the same for

midpoints in right ascension also? I have Janus3, and Winstar 2, Solar

Fire 5, I was looking at Winstar and it has a feature for doing returns

in right ascension, you just change it to Equatorial. I have never used

right ascension and I would like to try it. How do you find the East

Point and a point 90 degrees in right ascension from the Ascendent? I

would like to use your method if you would share with me.

Thank You,

Sylvia

 

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Well I must say I was vague on caplunar's and hadn't used them before or

other solar and lunar ingresses. But reviewed myself on them and find

them to be very interesting, now I understand what you were getting at,

will look at it more closely, interesting approach.

 

Re: the charts of New York, I went to Rhodden's site (I did have it

bookmarked also) you referenced, where you got the charts. Find them

interesting, but wonder where they got them from, ie. source of

historical research, maybe there was some data on the signing etc. to

time them better. Like there is lots of research on the Declaration of

Independence (and many disagreements on the time---but interesting to

try different charts and see what rectify's to events)

 

One point of research I would like to bring up that I was following on

the Declaration is (as many of you probably know) there was a change in

1752 (at least by the British) of the calendar from Julien to Gregorian,

adding 10 to 11 days (depending on the year) to dates. Now what some

may not know, is since this was a Catholic calendar, there was much

protest in changing to it, and while the " colonies " ostensibly did too,

there were riots about the change here in the colonies, so one cannot be

certain what the true date even 24 years later was in 1776 was, being a

rebellious bunch they might have signed it on July 4 of the Julien

calendar which would be More like June 23 of the Gregorian calendar

nearer to the midsummer (cansolar) ingress.

 

I bring this up, because of the dates on the New York charts, and wonder

since one for Manhatten was in 1653, if the change in the calendar was

allowed for, I assume and that may be wrong, that most programs do make

the correction on the chart. That one was set for noon, which very well

could be correct.

 

I wonder on the burroughs one if there is not newspaper articles about

some kind of ceremony or write ups on the event that would time it

better.

 

Has anyone worked on any of this???

Phylis

 

 

jan61108 wrote:

 

> , Phylis & Gary Forsch <forsch@a...>

> wrote:

> > Okay, I'll bite--I went out and looked at the various charts and

> files

> > you posted for 9-11 in the groups pages, my superficial thought was:

>

> > The " birthtime " of the New York Burroughs was one minute after

> midnight,

> > this seemed to me to be possibly an arbitrary for an unknown " time

> of

> > birth " , how can any return chart be accurate if this is used????

> >

> > So is the chart showing Jupiter as you say based off these " birth

> > charts " for NY, also your charts say Tropical, is that so??? If so

> how

> > can they be accurately setup not allowing for the errors inate in a

> > tropical chart and without an accurate birthtime for NY?

> >

> > Phylis

> >

> > > > ...

>

> Data for New York City can be found here:

>

> http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/TerrorismNYDC1.htm

>

> as well as other places.

>

> Do you know what a Sidereal Caplunar is?

>

> The charts were originaly done in the Sidereal Zodiac then converted

> to the Tropical for the convenience of the vast majority of members

> of the astrological community with whom I had contact prior to

> joining this group.

>

> Bob

> > > >

> > > > " To have Jupiter prominent in the solar and lunar

> > > > return or the PSSR is the luckiest of omens.......

> > > > provided the malefics are in obscurity....but one must

> > > > not expect the impossible or fantastic to happen

> > > > unless Uranus and Pluto are also involved " quote from

> > > > 'Cyril Fagan ...Solunars...American Astrology'

> > > >

> > > > Mike

> > > >

> > > In the Sidereal Caplunar preceeding the attack on the World Trade

> > > Center the closest planet to any angle was Jupiter, which flies in

>

> > > the face of the above quote. Progressing the Caplunar by the

> apparent

> > > right ascension of the transiting Moon produces the most revealing

>

> > > chart of the attack to be found by any method. If memory serves me

>

> > > right this same condition (Jupiter in the foreground) applies to

> > > other Caplunars which preceeded tragedies.

> > >

> > > The chart can be found in the files here at the board or by using

> > > this link:

> > >

> > > Sep%2011%

> > > 202001/QPL5BNQ.gif

> > >

> > > When I first joined this board I tried to introduce the method

> only

> > > to be faced with what I percieved to be confrontation regarding

> the

> > > methodology so I shut up. I have used progressed lunars for many

> > > years with the same type of results found in the progressed WTC

> > > Center Caplunar for events such as accidental death, murder,

> > > accidents, being hired for a job, periods of depression, public

> > > embarrassment, finding a lost pet, and many, many other events.

> > >

> > > I urge all to use and investigate these charts, both personal and

> > > mundane. Important findings in my work through the years are:

> > >

> > > Measurement of planetary position is most accurate when done by

> right

> > > ascension.

> > >

> > > The East Point and a point 90 degrees in right ascension from the

> > > Ascendant are very important.

> > >

> > > Progressed natal positions are more revealing than natal

> positions.

> > >

> > > Midpoints, (progressed, transiting, natal, and combinations

> between

> > > the various types) are very important.

> > >

> > > My only intent is to share and inform. To that end I will not

> respond

> > > to any replies or parts of replies that seem confrontational.

> > >

> > > Bob

> > >

> > >

> > >

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, sylvia linzner <sylvia261@j...> wrote:

> Dear Bob,

> When you do a Solar or Lunar return do you do them in right

ascension ?

> then progress them in right ascension also? do you do the same for

> midpoints in right ascension also? ...

 

Yes, yes, and yes.

 

> How do you find the East

> Point and a point 90 degrees in right ascension from the Ascendent?

 

The East Point has to be selected in whatever program you are using

as a point to be used or viewed in the charts you produce.

 

I use Solar Fire. To find the right ascension of the ascendant,

select REPORTS when viewing a chart, select STAR PARANS on the page

that comes up, then set the ORB to 0 degrees. The second column of

numbers listed on the left side of the page will be the right

ascension the points listed on the far left.

 

To find a point 90 degrees in right ascension from the ascendant look

at the second column of numbers to the right of 'Parans to As',

subtract 90 degrees from the degrees shown in this column (or

subtract 100 then add 10 back, or subtract 300 then add 30 back, or

subtract or add 270, whatever is easiest for you to do), the answer

will be one of the points you are looking for. The other is this

answer plus or minus 180 degrees.

 

To progress the return or ingress chart, get the right ascension of

the transiting Moon for the date and time you wish to progress to (by

doing a chart for that date and time), then subtracting the right

ascension of the Moon in the return or ingress chart from it. The

answer is then added to the LST of the return or ingress chart. I

know this all sounds very complicated, but is really very easy.

 

This a sticky part because I am going to mention programs which I

have written which will do the math for people and give as answers

the date and time to construct a chart which will be the progressed

chart you are looking for and what the LST should be in hh:mm:ss and

also in degrees and minutes. All required input is available from

Solar Fires Reports pages.

 

At any rate, the point 90 degrees from the ascendant in the

progressed Caplunar for New York which covered the attack on the WTC

is 77 degrees, 58 minutes. The MP of Caplunar Mars and Pluto was 78

degrees, 37 minutes, less than 2\3 of a degree from exactness which

could be corrected from correct lat and long for the WTC. The MP of

progressed (unprecessed) Neptune and Pluto for the 5 Boroughs chart

was 76 degrees, 15 minutes. If precession were added this would be

very close to 77d, 58m.

 

There is much more, but it is late (I work 12 hour days at my job and

am almost closer to 62 than 61 in age) and it is past my bedtime.

 

Thank you for your interest. I hope this information is helpful.

 

> I

> would like to use your method if you would share with me.

> Thank You,

> Sylvia

 

 

Bob

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, Phylis & Gary Forsch <forsch@a...>

wrote:

> ...

>

> I wonder on the burroughs one if there is not newspaper articles

about

> some kind of ceremony or write ups on the event that would time it

> better.

>

> Has anyone worked on any of this???

> Phylis

>

>

> ...

 

I was going to write a lengthy reply but the hour is late so I will

paste information gleaned from a site and the link to the site.

 

Segment 11 - Great to Greater

....

McCormick:

 

A charter has to be written for the to-be-consolidated city. And

that's terribly important because the charter, of course, is the

basic constitution of the city's govertnment.

 

....

The charter divided the city into the five boroughs that exist today.

 

McCormick:

 

When the charter comes before the legislature in February of 1897,

Platt insists upon its passage––as he put it, without the dotting of

an " i " or the crossing of a " t " ––and in a nutshell, that's what

happens.

 

Narrator:

 

Platt's new governor, Frank Black, signed the charter into law... and

handed the pen to Platt as a keepsake.

 

Greater New York was the second largest city in the world. It had

over 3 million people, ranking only behind London. It embraced 360

square miles, and was crossed by nearly 3,000 miles of streets.

 

....

Narrator:

 

On New Year's Eve of 1897, Jamaica, and most other towns to be joined

into Greater New York, blew whistles and banged drums. Newtown's

minister delivered an oration on the town's history, and Rockaway's

fire department held a dance. The Long Island City Board of Aldermen

worked right up to the end, passing their tax budget just two minutes

shy of midnight.

 

In Brooklyn, the mood was more somber. It was raining.

 

There was a public ceremony that evening at Brooklyn City Hall. Mayor

Wurster, St. Clair McKelway, and others spoke; the poet Will Carleton

read " The Passing of Brooklyn, " a poem he had written for the

occasion.

 

As midnight approached, a crowd gathered outside. The rain had

stopped and the night was clear and cold.

 

The people fell silent.

 

Then the bell tolled the hour. Cannon booms––from New York––rolled

across the East River and were answered by the whistles of the

Brooklyn Elevated Railroad. Two flags were raised over the building––

one of Brooklyn, the other of New York.

 

Some men cheered. Some men wept. But in their hearts they all

believed the words they had heard earlier that evening: " Brooklyn it

is. Brooklyn it remains. And Brooklynites are we. "

 

At the last stroke of twelve, the city that they said was " a good

place to die in, " was itself no more.

 

 

http://www.mcny.org/GNY/script.htm

 

Bob

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Dear Bob,

Thank You, I am interested in the programs which you have written, could

you give me more details about them and how much do they cost.

Sylvia

 

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