Guest guest Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 Message: 3 Hi Chris, However - what about, say, Dubhe? I have a program " Janus " (Australian) who provides me the Fixed stars in a list; besides that the program gives me the aspects between Sun, Moon and planetes and the fixed stars. I myself have a book of Vivian Robson with a explanation. A Western astrologer told me once that the delineation of aspects between fixed stars and the birth chart are as well good, because all knowledge about the influence of the stars are built up by experience long time ago. It is actually funny, dat tropical astrologers are using the knowledge of astrology, which is based on the time when only the sidereal zodiac is practiced. At the time Ptolemaus wrote his book on astrology the equinox did not even arrived at 0° Aries, 8° Aries or higher, I reckoned once. That is why astrogers were better in their prognoses than in later centuries. I was asking myself why, formerly. Dubhe is conjunct MC (Saturnus return chart) I see. I also see MC is conjunct transite Dragon's tail, Mars however occupies the second house and 45° the Ascendant of the return-chart, 120° radix Asc/Uranus. Dubhe however is associated with destructive and agressive energy, but only in aspect with malefic planetes. It interested me to see why the return of Jupiter, was not as happy as expected. Indeed Saturn aspected the birth Mercurius in a sextile and was conjunct Mercurius rx/Pluto transite midpoint.Jupiter however was square several Uranian TransNeptuner. I have not yet prepared a delineation. The next email I might might be able to tell you more. Possible you like it better to keep it privately. It is just to prove the value of these TransNeptuner. Every time I am very surprised about their conjunctions in event charts. Sofar my contribution here. I have to send away another email this night. Regards, Anny ------- In my own chart, according to tropical astrology I have Moon at 24 Libra, Jupiter at 2 Cap and Saturn at 17 Cap. If I switch to sidereal, I get Moon 30 Virgo (29Vir53 according to my software, but I suppose this depends precisely what ayanamsa is used), Jupiter at 7 Sag, Saturn at 23 Sag. My Sun remains in Pisces (1 degree sidereally), and my Ascendant remains in Leo (3 Leo). Now, I can definitely relate to the idea of Moon in Virgo for me rather than Libra (though I can see *some* arguments for Moon in Libra). However, I feel my Saturn is very strong - my Saturn return was a fabulous year for me, with extra promotion and a pay rise and lots of holidays, and not remotely traumatic. My Jupiter returns have not generally been happy times. Now - I can see that " lots of foreign holidays " on my Saturn return has a Sagittarian flavour - but according to tropical astrology, my Saturn is well placed in the sign he rules (Capricorn), and Jupiter badly placed in his fall (Capricorn). In sidereal terms, my Saturn in Sag wouldn't be the best placement, but Jupiter in Sag is excellent. So taking the simplistic viewpoint - if I perceive " Saturn good, Jupiter bad " that would indicate the tropical zodiac fits me better, if I perceive " Jupiter good, Saturn bad " that would indicate the sidereal zodiac is a better fit. I have to say I do tend to perceive " Saturn good, Jupiter bad " in my own chart - so I can see the sidereal zodiac working better in some cases (eg my Moon), and the tropical in others (my Jupiter and Saturn). ---------- -- However, I may well be missing something here. If anyone is interested, my birth data is: 15 March 1960, 15:25GMT, Windsor United Kingdom. 0W35, 51N28. Asc: 3Leo25 (sidereal), Sun: 0Pis52 (sidereal). Chris. - ______________________ ______________________ Message: 4 Sat, 08 Nov 2003 05:33:09 -0000 " call me sheep " <Sheeptribe1 a couple responses I just want to respond to a couple posts i read in the digests. I'd love to hear others' opinions about their planetary philosophy, so to speak. peace Peace! very interesting to read your experiences. Astrology/astrologer craves for philosophy to work out well a native chart and inspire the native to approach the prognose without fear and with optimisme in confidence of God's help, for inspiration. Then we are able to influence the final outcome for our soul in relation to God. That is most important of all. Regards, Anny ______________________ ______________________ Message: 5 Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:54:50 -0000 " librach2003 " <librach2003 Re: my question , " jeremy nelson " <lalakerfan4life2002> wrote: Librach! In comparision to eternity your birthchart (Ascendant) does not progress as fast as you would like to, perhaps. You have to work with the knowledge of your birthchart, because it promises everything what you are going to experience in your life. You better take a book to study astrology to understand everything about the progression of your Ascendant, because there are several modes of technique in calculating the progression. The most used mode is one degree par year, added to all the " points " in the birth chart. But better is to ask an astrologer to calculate for you the total total degrees of your age for the details. It is worth the time to take up the study, because astrology answers all the questions you get in mind during life. If you are curious, you will not object to find out, because it is quite rewarding to help someone in need of information. You will create happiness instead of fear. Regards Anny ______________________ ______________________ Message: 6 Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:49:29 -0000 " Chris Mitchell " <chrismitchell Re: Re: The equality of signs I agree with you Chris. It is marvelous to experiment with your knowledge with the sidereal zodiac. Regards, Anny --- ______________________ ______________________ Message: 7 Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:13:50 -0000 António <Xonicman Re: Sidereal signs This is my first post, so I would like to say hello to everybody. Welcome Antonio to the group. What you remarked is true. You just find out so yourself.I did the same. I often tell everybody , who practices tropical astrology, that they have only to change the zodiac and furthermore nothing. The knowledge you gained already is enough to prove the value of the sidereal zodiac. Regards, Anny --- Hi Therese Indeed Moon in Leo needs more attention than the sun in Leo. I have a grandson with the Moon in Leo. Luckily my daughter has done what is necessary for him. I have confidence it works out well for him. I discovered early in study, that most people are living more out of their Moon (emotion) in connection with surrounding people. In the Uranian Astrology the sun is connected more with health care. The Sun settled in the fourth of 12 houses, creates a whole new picture; planets in the various houses point out eventual health problems; I discovered before. See for yourself.It is quite interesting to study the subject. The delineaton of the houses is not so much different from the chart with MC on top of the figure. Regards, Anny ______________________ Message: 8 Sat, 15 Nov 2003 01:36:06 -0000 " koreesdaughter " <CauldronofDreams re: New Member Intro Hi Koreesdaughter! Welcome here! Do you practice astrology in combination with Tarot? It would be quite interesting to know. I have a daughter in law, who practices the tarot, but is not in need of astrology, she says so. It interests her however. It is remarkable, I have cards and a book to study, but up till now I did not yet picked up Tarot. I intend to. For horary it might help me perhaps. That is real art to succeed in it. Regards, Anny ______________________ ______________________ Message: 10 Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:21:04 -0800 Therese Hamilton <eastwest This is a Test Hi....I'm testing to see if this post goes through, as a couple of messages I sent to the list today have seemingly disappeared. Therese Hi Therese! How about your friend's Saturn conjunct Ascendant in Gemini. Is she shy in groups to talk with? Quite a pity for her, because Gemini usually enjoys company. You think, she might outgrow this aspect ever? _ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 Hi Anny, The only thing Juppiter is obligated to produce is...fullness. If he completes a picture for suicide, they may just go off a bridge. I have two from thre Golden Gate. Because of the dominance of the midpoint people the eyeball TransNeptune conjunctions are often not considered. They should be. Dark*Star - Anny van Berckel wrote: > > It interested me to see why the return of Jupiter, > the value of these TransNeptuner. Every time I am > very surprised about their conjunctions in event charts. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 On Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:37 PM , Anny van Berckel wrote: > Message: 3 > > Hi Chris, > > However - what about, say, Dubhe? > > I have a program " Janus " (Australian) who provides me the > Fixed stars in a list; besides that the program gives me > the aspects between Sun, Moon and planetes and the fixed > stars. I myself have a book of Vivian Robson with a > explanation. A Western astrologer told me once that the > delineation of aspects between fixed stars and the birth > chart are as well good, because all knowledge about the > influence of the stars are built up by experience long > time ago. It is actually funny, dat tropical astrologers > are using the knowledge of astrology, which is based on the > time when only the sidereal zodiac is practiced. > At the time Ptolemaus wrote his book on astrology the > equinox did not even arrived at 0° Aries, 8° Aries or > higher, I reckoned once. That is why astrogers were better > in their prognoses than in later centuries. I was asking > myself why, formerly. Hi, Anny - thanks for your response! I'm not saying that most astrology programs won't tell you the projected degree of Dubhe - they will. I'm simply saying that as it's nowhere near the ecliptic, trying to place it on the ecliptic is like me talking to a New Yorker and saying " oh, New York! Yeah, I've got a friend who lives in Florencia, Columbia, too " and then explaining to the puzzled New Yorker that because he lives at a longitude of 74W, I've projected it onto the equator and pretended he lives in Florencia, Columbia instead, which shares roughly the same longitude. Now, I've never been to either place - but I would guess that New York and Florencia are probably very different places A classic example of this blunder is an astrology group which three of us set up in my home city of Bristol, England earlier this year. The time of the first meeting saw 4 Libra (sidereally) rising, which corresponded to the position of Arcturus. So we called the group " Arcturus Rising " . Makes sense? Not really - the star Arcturus actually, physically rose some two hours before the meeting. Spica was rising by the time the meeting started. So I'm not convinced of the efficacy of mapping stars a long way from the ecliptic onto the ecliptic. Those stars already pretty close to the ecliptic - Regulus for instance - sure; but not stars like Dubhe. > > Dubhe is conjunct MC (Saturnus return chart) I see. > I also see MC is conjunct transite Dragon's tail, > Mars however occupies the second house and 45° the > Ascendant of the return-chart, 120° radix Asc/Uranus. > Dubhe however is associated with destructive and > agressive energy, but only in aspect with malefic > planetes. > It interested me to see why the return of Jupiter, > was not as happy as expected. Indeed Saturn aspected > the birth Mercurius in a sextile and was conjunct > Mercurius rx/Pluto transite midpoint.Jupiter however > was square several Uranian TransNeptuner. I have not > yet prepared a delineation. The next email I might > might be able to tell you more. Possible you like > it better to keep it privately. It is just to prove > the value of these TransNeptuner. Every time I am > very surprised about their conjunctions in event charts. > I'm Leo Ascendant (and Pisces Sun) whether we use the sidereal or tropical zodiac - so I've no objection at all to discussing this on list Thanks for the offer Anny - I look forward to your insights. I'm very interested in the focus that Sidereal astrologers have on solar return charts - it's an area I need to consider more. And also Therese's contribution that the apparent attributes of signs may be more down to planets instead. Much food for thought! Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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