Request for astrological work by everyone

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I am asking everyone on the list to look at their own charts, charts

of people they know, the Sibley Chart (or whichever chart they may

prefer for the US), Bush's chart, and\or ingress charts, for the

period of May 22 through May 27, 2004, and post feedback on what they

find and how it may relate events of national interest regarding the

US during that time.

 

Bob

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Bob...

 

Good Call... Not that I wanted to see Transiting Mars

and Saturn conjunct my natal Mercury....

 

Definetely a time for everyone to prepare themselves.

The 25th is a major day in play... Moon opposition to

Neptune

 

Cheney's Solar Return shows up significant as his Sun

is at 16 degrees Capricorn. quincunx to Saturn/Mars

and square to North Node/Mercury... Does he change or

does he resist? If he dosen't change, he's in trouble.

 

More later....

 

Juan

 

--- bobnicewander <jan61108 wrote:

> I am asking everyone on the list to look at their

> own charts, charts

> of people they know, the Sibley Chart (or whichever

> chart they may

> prefer for the US), Bush's chart, and\or ingress

> charts, for the

> period of May 22 through May 27, 2004, and post

> feedback on what they

> find and how it may relate events of national

> interest regarding the

> US during that time.

>

> Bob

>

>

> " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close

> to Antares? " -----

>

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Juan,

 

This started when I was looking at the chart of someone living in New

York City and saw a connection. I then decided to look at a chart for

someone in California, then my own (Illinois), then others in Texas,

Florida, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Washington State, New Hampshire,

Iowa, Oklahoma, Washington, DC, George Bushes chart, the Sibley

Chart, a chart for Los Angeles (Speculative time), the Bush Inaugural

Chart, and the chart for the attack on Baghdad and found strong

connections in all of them. I think this may be something on a

national scale. Natural disaster? Terrorist attack? Dirt on Bush or

his administration? Internment of astrologers?

 

The types of charts used were natal, secondary progressed, solar

returns, lunar returns, anlunars and progressed lunars and anlunars.

The only criteria was planetary contact of planets to angles.

 

My own natal lunar for location, May 22, has Sun in 10th (4d),

Jupiter in 1st (7d), and Uranus in the 7th (4d).

 

Bob

 

 

 

 

, Juan Oliver <jivio>

wrote:

> Bob...

>

> Good Call... Not that I wanted to see Transiting Mars

> and Saturn conjunct my natal Mercury....

>

> Definetely a time for everyone to prepare themselves.

> The 25th is a major day in play... Moon opposition to

> Neptune

>

> Cheney's Solar Return shows up significant as his Sun

> is at 16 degrees Capricorn. quincunx to Saturn/Mars

> and square to North Node/Mercury... Does he change or

> does he resist? If he dosen't change, he's in trouble.

>

> More later....

>

> Juan

>

> --- bobnicewander <jan61108> wrote:

> > I am asking everyone on the list to look at their

> > own charts, charts

> > of people they know, the Sibley Chart (or whichever

> > chart they may

> > prefer for the US), Bush's chart, and\or ingress

> > charts, for the

> > period of May 22 through May 27, 2004, and post

> > feedback on what they

> > find and how it may relate events of national

> > interest regarding the

> > US during that time.

> >

> > Bob

> >

> >

> > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close

> > to Antares? " -----

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[Guest guest]

, " bobnicewander "

<jan61108> wrote:

> Juan,

>

> This started when I was looking at the chart of someone living in

New

> York City and saw a connection. I then decided to look at a chart

for

> someone in California, then my own (Illinois), then others in

Texas,

> Florida, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Washington State, New Hampshire,

> Iowa, Oklahoma, Washington, DC, George Bushes chart, the Sibley

> Chart, a chart for Los Angeles (Speculative time), the Bush

Inaugural

> Chart, and the chart for the attack on Baghdad and found strong

> connections in all of them. I think this may be something on a

> national scale. Natural disaster? Terrorist attack? Dirt on Bush or

> his administration? Internment of astrologers?

>

> The types of charts used were natal, secondary progressed, solar

> returns, lunar returns, anlunars and progressed lunars and

anlunars.

> The only criteria was planetary contact of planets to angles.

>

> My own natal lunar for location, May 22, has Sun in 10th (4d),

> Jupiter in 1st (7d), and Uranus in the 7th (4d).

>

> Bob

>

>

>

>

> , Juan Oliver <jivio>

> wrote:

> > Bob...

> >

> > Good Call... Not that I wanted to see Transiting Mars

> > and Saturn conjunct my natal Mercury....

> >

> > Definetely a time for everyone to prepare themselves.

> > The 25th is a major day in play... Moon opposition to

> > Neptune

> >

> > Cheney's Solar Return shows up significant as his Sun

> > is at 16 degrees Capricorn. quincunx to Saturn/Mars

> > and square to North Node/Mercury... Does he change or

> > does he resist? If he dosen't change, he's in trouble.

> >

> > More later....

> >

> > Juan

> >

> > --- bobnicewander <jan61108> wrote:

> > > I am asking everyone on the list to look at their

> > > own charts, charts

> > > of people they know, the Sibley Chart (or whichever

> > > chart they may

> > > prefer for the US), Bush's chart, and\or ingress

> > > charts, for the

> > > period of May 22 through May 27, 2004, and post

> > > feedback on what they

> > > find and how it may relate events of national

> > > interest regarding the

> > > US during that time.

> > >

> > > Bob

------------

Bob & List Members,

 

Thanks for pointing out the Mars-Saturn conjunction. I looked at the

conjunction chart (May 25, 2004 5:39:35 UT per CCRS). It did not help

to see it setting for Los Angeles. Solar Maps shows the setting lines

running through SoCal, Nevada, Utah, Idaho, and Montana. Rises

Germany, Austria, Hungary, former Yugoslavia, Greece, Egypt and down

through east Africa. Culminates over Japan and central Australia.

Anti-culminates Greenland down to Brazil near Rio.

 

In the conjunction chart MA/SA (16 Gem 31) = ME/JU (15 Gem 32) -135-

UR/NE (1 Aqu 14).

 

Then I looked at the CanLunar May 23rd. Mars-Saturn culminates

through Central California, Oregon, Washington; anti-culminates

Eastern Iran; sets Northern Europe, Denmark, English Channel; rises

New Zealand.

 

The CapSolar set for Eugene, Oregon, has ASC = 16 Sag 57. The Q1 to

the conjunction shows Saturn rising through Oregon to the California-

Nevada border.

 

The " Grimes " Ratification Chart was next (March 1, 1781 20:19:39 UT

Philadelphia you can get some background on this chart from the

Astrodatabank " Newsmakers " section on USA charts.). Transit Mars-

Saturn conjunction -45- natal Moon (1 Tau 43). Transit Neptune (20

Cap 35R) conjoins DESC for Phil. (20 Cap 33). Q1 for Washington has

MC 24 Gem 49 (LST/RAMC 7:11:38), Q1 Moon 24 Gem 01 (RAMC 7:10:56),

with Q1 Moon quincunx natal Mars (24 Sco 58) and Q1 Saturn (23 Sco

51). Natal Saturn is 27 Sco 36; natal MA/SA = 26 Sco 17; transit

Pluto will be 26 Sco 33R. The long-term Neptune and Pluto transits

certainly tell their own tale. The SSR for the " Grimes " chart sets up

March 5, 2004 @ 0:59:52 UT. MC for Washington = 15 Gem 22 with SSR

Saturn 11 Gem 30R; Moon 26 Can 18 -90- Mars 24 Ari 46. (As a

sidelight relating to this " Grimes " chart, GWB's SQ1 Moon to

Inauguration Day 2005 = 20 Aqu 46. Damn!)

 

Then I dragged out the three LA charts: 1781 Founding with Venus at

16 Virgo; 1850 Incorporation with Mars at 16 Gem; and the 1925

Incorporation of Communitites with Sun 15 Gem 49.

 

Finally I looked back at my own SLR and Anlunar preceding the

Northridge Quake in 1994. Both had Saturn-Pluto square foreground;

Pluto IC, Saturn setting. Very appropriate symbolism for being scared

s-less. Neither SLR nor Anlunar preceding Mars-Saturn look that bad.

Tho' the Anlunar has Sun MC, Jupiter rising, Uranus setting. The

Ebertin " Thank god " combo? Interesting that your SLR has similar

configuration, Bob.

 

This one is certainly a puzzler. Could spend hours on it. Thanks, I

guess, Bob.

 

Sidereally yours,

Matthew

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

 

Besides Juan and Mathew, others in the Sidereal camp whose charts

(natal, progressed, etc.) are affected are C.P. Wing, Therese,

Fannin, Lenore, and Contreras.

 

Relocate Bush's chart to Crawford, Texas and do a chart for noon on

the 25, 26, or 27 of May and put that around his natal. Dirty laundry

being washed in public or something physical?

 

Bob

 

, " bobnicewander "

<jan61108> wrote:

> I am asking everyone on the list to look at their own charts,

charts

> of people they know, the Sibley Chart (or whichever chart they may

> prefer for the US), Bush's chart, and\or ingress charts, for the

> period of May 22 through May 27, 2004, and post feedback on what

they

> find and how it may relate events of national interest regarding

the

> US during that time.

>

> Bob

[Guest guest]

Bob...

 

I appreciate you pointing this out...

I've been hoping I could pack up my bags and run

away... Unfortunately my only chance is if I hop a

ride to Mars... Ya think they got an ephemeris up

there?

 

gots to admit... I'm casting a lot of charts htese

days.. Right now thankful for the New Moon...

 

This upcoming Neptune Mars square with Mars conjunct

the North Node is serious stuff... Its what

" Headlines " are made of...

 

A couple of months ago I was looking at Cheney and

Bush and thinking there was smoke... and enough smoke

for a fire... Learned today that I may have been using

incorrect data for Cheney... We begin all over

again...

 

Juan

 

 

 

--- bobnicewander <jan61108 wrote:

> Hi All,

>

> Besides Juan and Mathew, others in the Sidereal camp

> whose charts

> (natal, progressed, etc.) are affected are C.P.

> Wing, Therese,

> Fannin, Lenore, and Contreras.

>

> Relocate Bush's chart to Crawford, Texas and do a

> chart for noon on

> the 25, 26, or 27 of May and put that around his

> natal. Dirty laundry

> being washed in public or something physical?

>

> Bob

>

> ,

> " bobnicewander "

> <jan61108> wrote:

> > I am asking everyone on the list to look at their

> own charts,

> charts

> > of people they know, the Sibley Chart (or

> whichever chart they may

> > prefer for the US), Bush's chart, and\or ingress

> charts, for the

> > period of May 22 through May 27, 2004, and post

> feedback on what

> they

> > find and how it may relate events of national

> interest regarding

> the

> > US during that time.

> >

> > Bob

>

>

>

> " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close

> to Antares? " -----

>

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[Guest guest]

I originaly posted this information on several lists on which I have

membership. The oringinal posting goes back some months.

 

Feedback from members on another list prompted me to look at the

charts I have connected to American and European money.

 

The results are as follows:

 

U.S. Treasury, Sep 2, 1789, natal Mars 11 Cancer 17

 

NYSE, May 17, 1792, secondary prog Moon 9 Capricorn 58

 

Dow-Jones Industrial Avg, July 3, 1884, Sun 12 Cancer 14

 

The Revenue Act, Oct 3, 1913,

Sun 9 Libra 47

Mars 9 Cancer 17

Jupiter 9 Capricorn 18

secondary prog Sun 10 Capricorn 47

 

The Federal Reserve, Dec 23, 1913

secondary prog Venus 12 Aries 34

secondary pro Mars 13 Cancer 22

 

OPEC, Sep 14, 1960

Moon 8 Cancer 18

Saturn 11 Capricorn 49

secondary prog Mars 15 Cancer 09

secondary prog Saturn 13 Capricorn 14

 

The Euro, Jan 1, 1999 and Jan 1, 2002

99 Sun 10 Capricorn 03

02 Sun 10 Capricorn 20

02 Jupiter 10 Cancer 40

02 secondary prog Venus 10 Capricorn 07

02 secondary prog Jupiter 10 Cancer 20

02 secondary prog Sun 12 Capricorn 46

 

Bob

 

> > I believe something will occur beginning in May (22nd through the

> > 27th) which will affect almost all Americans in a negative way,

and

> > that difficult times, particularly for Bush, will continue

through

> > the 3rd week of July.

> >

> > bob

> >

> For the May timeing (22nd through the 27th)I use the Bush chart

> relocated to Crawford, TX., where the conjunction of transiting

Mars

> and Saturn will occur on the Ascendant of the chart. Congress is

> scheduled to be recessed from the 24rh through the 28th of May,

which

> means they will be off from the 22nd of May through June 1st.

>

> I also have done progressed lunar returns (a technique unique to

> myself) for people from coast to coast and border to border in the

> U.S. and have the conjunction coming to the angles of their charts

on

> the 24th or 25th. Not sure what to make of it but a negative

> psychological hit might be in store for the country at that time. I

> also used the Bush Inaugural chart, the Sidereal Capsolar, and

their

> derivatives, along with Bush's and it's derivatives.

>

> Timetable for transiting Saturn contacts to the Sibley, Bush, & WTC

> attack charts with positions given in degrees and minutes of right

> ascension rather than hh:mm:ss. Bush chart relocated to Washington,

> D.C..

>

> Date.....Aspect.............................RA Point.....RA t Sat

> June 21, conj Bush precessed Sun............105d 50m.....105d50m

> June 30, sq Sibley precessed Sat............197d 33m.....107d 33m

> July 6, conj Sibley precessed Sun...........107d 53m.....107d 53m

> July 6, sq Bush precessed Moon..............197d 58m.....107d 58m

> July 7, conj WTC attack MH..................108d 06m.....108d 06m

> July 11, opp transiting Nep\Pl midpoint.....288d 37m.....108d 37m

> July 14, sq Bush precessed, relocated, MH....19d 05m.....109d 05m

> Addendum:

> July 16, transiting Mars opp transiting Nep, Mars is conj Bush

> precessed Pl and Nep is opp.

>

> Bob

>

 

> > This started when I was looking at the chart of someone living in

> New

> > York City and saw a connection. I then decided to look at a chart

> for

> > someone in California, then my own (Illinois), then others in

> Texas,

> > Florida, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Washington State, New

Hampshire,

> > Iowa, Oklahoma, Washington, DC, George Bushes chart, the Sibley

> > Chart, a chart for Los Angeles (Speculative time), the Bush

> Inaugural

> > Chart, and the chart for the attack on Baghdad and found strong

> > connections in all of them. I think this may be something on a

> > national scale. Natural disaster? Terrorist attack? Dirt on Bush

or

> > his administration? Internment of astrologers?

> >

> > The types of charts used were natal, secondary progressed, solar

> > returns, lunar returns, anlunars and progressed lunars and

> anlunars.

> > The only criteria was planetary contact of planets to angles.

> >

> > Bob

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob,

 

For late May, there are numerous standard vedic type afflictions to

the USA Grimes chart, the Canada midnight chart and the UK 1801

chart. I haven't looked further afield than that. Obviously, the

key is having important planets and rulers and dasha lords around 17

degrees. Canada's Sun is in rapt conj with Uranus on the IC at

16Ge56 and the UK asc is about 15Virgo. Both charts are running

potentially turbulent dasha combos. All of which suggest either

unrelated problems in all 3 countries (not impossible) or something

much bigger that affects all three simultaneously.

 

Wondering if this event might be a natural disaster, I checked the

Krakatoa chart (Aug 27 1883 10.02 SSUT -- data from the recent Simon

Winchester book about it) Interestingly 17Libra rises so that's a

bang on hit for malefic Ketu. Not a whole lot else jumps out at me

however. Tentatively, I'd say that's a point against a big natural

disaster. But it's only one point. Also nothing much shows up on

the Hiroshima chart, but I only had a cursory look.

 

Thanks to Steve S for making these logical suggestions. Clearly, from

here on in, gangs of little hamster astrologers will be running on

their little caged wheels for the next couple months in search of

answer. Good luck to them, to you, and to me.

 

cheers,

Chris

 

 

 

, " bobnicewander "

<jan61108> wrote:

> I originaly posted this information on several lists on which I

have

> membership. The oringinal posting goes back some months.

>

> Feedback from members on another list prompted me to look at the

> charts I have connected to American and European money.

>

> The results are as follows:

>

> U.S. Treasury, Sep 2, 1789, natal Mars 11 Cancer 17

>

> NYSE, May 17, 1792, secondary prog Moon 9 Capricorn 58

>

> Dow-Jones Industrial Avg, July 3, 1884, Sun 12 Cancer 14

>

> The Revenue Act, Oct 3, 1913,

> Sun 9 Libra 47

> Mars 9 Cancer 17

> Jupiter 9 Capricorn 18

> secondary prog Sun 10 Capricorn 47

>

> The Federal Reserve, Dec 23, 1913

> secondary prog Venus 12 Aries 34

> secondary pro Mars 13 Cancer 22

>

> OPEC, Sep 14, 1960

> Moon 8 Cancer 18

> Saturn 11 Capricorn 49

> secondary prog Mars 15 Cancer 09

> secondary prog Saturn 13 Capricorn 14

>

> The Euro, Jan 1, 1999 and Jan 1, 2002

> 99 Sun 10 Capricorn 03

> 02 Sun 10 Capricorn 20

> 02 Jupiter 10 Cancer 40

> 02 secondary prog Venus 10 Capricorn 07

> 02 secondary prog Jupiter 10 Cancer 20

> 02 secondary prog Sun 12 Capricorn 46

>

> Bob

>

> > > I believe something will occur beginning in May (22nd through

the

> > > 27th) which will affect almost all Americans in a negative way,

> and

> > > that difficult times, particularly for Bush, will continue

> through

> > > the 3rd week of July.

> > >

> > > bob

> > >

> > For the May timeing (22nd through the 27th)I use the Bush chart

> > relocated to Crawford, TX., where the conjunction of transiting

> Mars

> > and Saturn will occur on the Ascendant of the chart. Congress is

> > scheduled to be recessed from the 24rh through the 28th of May,

> which

> > means they will be off from the 22nd of May through June 1st.

> >

> > I also have done progressed lunar returns (a technique unique to

> > myself) for people from coast to coast and border to border in

the

> > U.S. and have the conjunction coming to the angles of their

charts

> on

> > the 24th or 25th. Not sure what to make of it but a negative

> > psychological hit might be in store for the country at that time.

I

> > also used the Bush Inaugural chart, the Sidereal Capsolar, and

> their

> > derivatives, along with Bush's and it's derivatives.

> >

> > Timetable for transiting Saturn contacts to the Sibley, Bush, &

WTC

> > attack charts with positions given in degrees and minutes of

right

> > ascension rather than hh:mm:ss. Bush chart relocated to

Washington,

> > D.C..

> >

> > Date.....Aspect.............................RA Point.....RA t Sat

> > June 21, conj Bush precessed Sun............105d 50m.....105d50m

> > June 30, sq Sibley precessed Sat............197d 33m.....107d 33m

> > July 6, conj Sibley precessed Sun...........107d 53m.....107d 53m

> > July 6, sq Bush precessed Moon..............197d 58m.....107d 58m

> > July 7, conj WTC attack MH..................108d 06m.....108d 06m

> > July 11, opp transiting Nep\Pl midpoint.....288d 37m.....108d 37m

> > July 14, sq Bush precessed, relocated, MH....19d 05m.....109d 05m

> > Addendum:

> > July 16, transiting Mars opp transiting Nep, Mars is conj Bush

> > precessed Pl and Nep is opp.

> >

> > Bob

> >

>

> > > This started when I was looking at the chart of someone living

in

> > New

> > > York City and saw a connection. I then decided to look at a

chart

> > for

> > > someone in California, then my own (Illinois), then others in

> > Texas,

> > > Florida, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Washington State, New

> Hampshire,

> > > Iowa, Oklahoma, Washington, DC, George Bushes chart, the Sibley

> > > Chart, a chart for Los Angeles (Speculative time), the Bush

> > Inaugural

> > > Chart, and the chart for the attack on Baghdad and found strong

> > > connections in all of them. I think this may be something on a

> > > national scale. Natural disaster? Terrorist attack? Dirt on

Bush

> or

> > > his administration? Internment of astrologers?

> > >

> > > The types of charts used were natal, secondary progressed,

solar

> > > returns, lunar returns, anlunars and progressed lunars and

> > anlunars.

> > > The only criteria was planetary contact of planets to angles.

> > >

> > > Bob

[Guest guest]

, " bobnicewander "

<jan61108> wrote:

 

> The Federal Reserve, Dec 23, 1913

> secondary prog Venus 12 Aries 34

> secondary pro Mars 13 Cancer 22

 

Bob,

 

In connection to the date above, the Federal Reserve banks

officially opened their doors on November 16, 1914 (time unknown -

probably around 10:00 am). The New York office was by far the

dominant one of the 12. I believe this date is when the current

Federal Reserve Notes started circulating. Here is a quote from one

of the architects of the Federal Reserve:

" When the Federal Reserve Banks were opened for business on

November 16, 1914, Paul Warburg said, " This date may be considered as

the Fourth of July in the economic history of the United States. "

 

Dietmar

[Guest guest]

Hi Chris,

 

What the Bushes need more than anything is some dreadful event, either an

attack from outside or something artfully crafted from within by the home team

so they can cancel the November elections. The symbolism is too ripe to forego

~ the May conjunction of Mars-Saturn is in tropical Cancer [Homeland] and

sidereal and draconic Gemini [security]. While May would be early for an Opus

II it would be a good staging area for a controlled repression of all media,

especially clamping down on the internet, not to mention all those pesky,

noisome astrologers that thrive therein--FBI urges police to watch for people

carrying Almanacs (news item Dec, 29, 2003).

 

Krakatoa like Pompeii required a strong Sun-Mars-Pluto...which is not present

in May. But it certainly is in September. In fact, Jupiter-Moon join them.

 

Forget Krakatoa (small potatoes )...Think Yellowstone National Park.

 

Dark*Star

 

 

 

ckevill wrote:

 

> Hi Bob,

>

> For late May, there are numerous standard vedic type afflictions to

> the USA Grimes chart, the Canada midnight chart and the UK 1801

> chart. I haven't looked further afield than that. Obviously, the

> key is having important planets and rulers and dasha lords around 17

> degrees. Canada's Sun is in rapt conj with Uranus on the IC at

> 16Ge56 and the UK asc is about 15Virgo. Both charts are running

> potentially turbulent dasha combos. All of which suggest either

> unrelated problems in all 3 countries (not impossible) or something

> much bigger that affects all three simultaneously.

>

> Wondering if this event might be a natural disaster, I checked the

> Krakatoa chart (Aug 27 1883 10.02 SSUT -- data from the recent Simon

> Winchester book about it) Interestingly 17Libra rises so that's a

> bang on hit for malefic Ketu. Not a whole lot else jumps out at me

> however. Tentatively, I'd say that's a point against a big natural

> disaster. But it's only one point. Also nothing much shows up on

> the Hiroshima chart, but I only had a cursory look.

>

> Thanks to Steve S for making these logical suggestions. Clearly, from

> here on in, gangs of little hamster astrologers will be running on

> their little caged wheels for the next couple months in search of

> answer. Good luck to them, to you, and to me.

>

> cheers,

> Chris

>

> , " bobnicewander "

> <jan61108> wrote:

> > I originaly posted this information on several lists on which I

> have

> > membership. The oringinal posting goes back some months.

> >

> > Feedback from members on another list prompted me to look at the

> > charts I have connected to American and European money.

> >

> > The results are as follows:

> >

> > U.S. Treasury, Sep 2, 1789, natal Mars 11 Cancer 17

> >

> > NYSE, May 17, 1792, secondary prog Moon 9 Capricorn 58

> >

> > Dow-Jones Industrial Avg, July 3, 1884, Sun 12 Cancer 14

> >

> > The Revenue Act, Oct 3, 1913,

> > Sun 9 Libra 47

> > Mars 9 Cancer 17

> > Jupiter 9 Capricorn 18

> > secondary prog Sun 10 Capricorn 47

> >

> > The Federal Reserve, Dec 23, 1913

> > secondary prog Venus 12 Aries 34

> > secondary pro Mars 13 Cancer 22

> >

> > OPEC, Sep 14, 1960

> > Moon 8 Cancer 18

> > Saturn 11 Capricorn 49

> > secondary prog Mars 15 Cancer 09

> > secondary prog Saturn 13 Capricorn 14

> >

> > The Euro, Jan 1, 1999 and Jan 1, 2002

> > 99 Sun 10 Capricorn 03

> > 02 Sun 10 Capricorn 20

> > 02 Jupiter 10 Cancer 40

> > 02 secondary prog Venus 10 Capricorn 07

> > 02 secondary prog Jupiter 10 Cancer 20

> > 02 secondary prog Sun 12 Capricorn 46

> >

> > Bob

> >

> > > > I believe something will occur beginning in May (22nd through

> the

> > > > 27th) which will affect almost all Americans in a negative way,

> > and

> > > > that difficult times, particularly for Bush, will continue

> > through

> > > > the 3rd week of July.

> > > >

> > > > bob

> > > >

> > > For the May timeing (22nd through the 27th)I use the Bush chart

> > > relocated to Crawford, TX., where the conjunction of transiting

> > Mars

> > > and Saturn will occur on the Ascendant of the chart. Congress is

> > > scheduled to be recessed from the 24rh through the 28th of May,

> > which

> > > means they will be off from the 22nd of May through June 1st.

> > >

> > > I also have done progressed lunar returns (a technique unique to

> > > myself) for people from coast to coast and border to border in

> the

> > > U.S. and have the conjunction coming to the angles of their

> charts

> > on

> > > the 24th or 25th. Not sure what to make of it but a negative

> > > psychological hit might be in store for the country at that time.

> I

> > > also used the Bush Inaugural chart, the Sidereal Capsolar, and

> > their

> > > derivatives, along with Bush's and it's derivatives.

> > >

> > > Timetable for transiting Saturn contacts to the Sibley, Bush, &

> WTC

> > > attack charts with positions given in degrees and minutes of

> right

> > > ascension rather than hh:mm:ss. Bush chart relocated to

> Washington,

> > > D.C..

> > >

> > > Date.....Aspect.............................RA Point.....RA t Sat

> > > June 21, conj Bush precessed Sun............105d 50m.....105d50m

> > > June 30, sq Sibley precessed Sat............197d 33m.....107d 33m

> > > July 6, conj Sibley precessed Sun...........107d 53m.....107d 53m

> > > July 6, sq Bush precessed Moon..............197d 58m.....107d 58m

> > > July 7, conj WTC attack MH..................108d 06m.....108d 06m

> > > July 11, opp transiting Nep\Pl midpoint.....288d 37m.....108d 37m

> > > July 14, sq Bush precessed, relocated, MH....19d 05m.....109d 05m

> > > Addendum:

> > > July 16, transiting Mars opp transiting Nep, Mars is conj Bush

> > > precessed Pl and Nep is opp.

> > >

> > > Bob

> > >

> >

> > > > This started when I was looking at the chart of someone living

> in

> > > New

> > > > York City and saw a connection. I then decided to look at a

> chart

> > > for

> > > > someone in California, then my own (Illinois), then others in

> > > Texas,

> > > > Florida, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Washington State, New

> > Hampshire,

> > > > Iowa, Oklahoma, Washington, DC, George Bushes chart, the Sibley

> > > > Chart, a chart for Los Angeles (Speculative time), the Bush

> > > Inaugural

> > > > Chart, and the chart for the attack on Baghdad and found strong

> > > > connections in all of them. I think this may be something on a

> > > > national scale. Natural disaster? Terrorist attack? Dirt on

> Bush

> > or

> > > > his administration? Internment of astrologers?

> > > >

> > > > The types of charts used were natal, secondary progressed,

> solar

> > > > returns, lunar returns, anlunars and progressed lunars and

> > > anlunars.

> > > > The only criteria was planetary contact of planets to angles.

> > > >

> > > > Bob

>

>

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Hiya Starman,

 

Thanks for your insider poop. A common sense approach to Bush and Co. tells

us that more evil is afoot as you suggest supplementing the astrological

omens. I have also heard some alternative news people wondering aloud

about the possible postponement of the elections. Apparently this is now

legal under the Patriot Act. Jeez, that was easy! I hear that Ashcroft

(or was it Rumsfeld) actually owns the uniform worn by Deputy Reichsfuhrer

Goering. It cost him 60 grand when he bought a few years ago. A big Nazi

fan, but that shouldn't surprise anyone.

 

The Gemini factor controlling free expression is intriguing, although I

don't think it will be the essence of the problem. We still would have to

account for the UK's affliction at that time. A simultaneous attack seems

most likely, although I'm not prepared to lay down any money on it at the

moment. Besides the Saturn-Mars conjunction, you have an EXACT

aspect from Ketu (south node) to that conjunction. This is very rare

and speaks to sudden and violent events. The Gemini connection

might mean violence involving transportation or damage to communications,

or could also mean a disease or virus that affects the nervous system or

breathing.

 

This might be a bioweapon or perhaps more likely, a dirty, porno nuke. A

look at the two eclipses beforehand confirm the likelihood

of something big. The April 19 SE has Pluto 3 MINUTES off the Washington

Dsc. Interestingly, the same SE with parallax correction has Neptune off

the MC by only a degree and Uranus squaring the Asc by a degree and a half.

The LE only place Pluto on the angle. Note that the Mercury/Gemini

symbolism is reinforced as Mercury is in exact trine to Pluto in the LE.

And it's in Pisces then so health and respiratory systems are implicated

there, FWIW.

 

Of course, big things don't always happen under exact aspects.

And sometimes exact aspects bring nothing.

 

Chris

ps I thought Yogi the Bear has a B.Sc in biochemistry as opposed to

geology.

 

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" Dark Star " <pansophia

 

Saturday, March 20, 2004 7:13 PM

Re: Re: Request for astrological work by

everyone

 

 

>

> Hi Chris,

>

> What the Bushes need more than anything is some dreadful event, either an

> attack from outside or something artfully crafted from within by the home

team

> so they can cancel the November elections. The symbolism is too ripe to

forego

> ~ the May conjunction of Mars-Saturn is in tropical Cancer [Homeland] and

> sidereal and draconic Gemini [security]. While May would be early for an

Opus

> II it would be a good staging area for a controlled repression of all

media,

> especially clamping down on the internet, not to mention all those pesky,

> noisome astrologers that thrive therein--FBI urges police to watch for

people

> carrying Almanacs (news item Dec, 29, 2003).

>

> Krakatoa like Pompeii required a strong Sun-Mars-Pluto...which is not

present

> in May. But it certainly is in September. In fact, Jupiter-Moon join them.

>

> Forget Krakatoa (small potatoes )...Think Yellowstone National Park.

>

> Dark*Star

>

>

>

> ckevill wrote:

>

> > Hi Bob,

> >

> > For late May, there are numerous standard vedic type afflictions to

> > the USA Grimes chart, the Canada midnight chart and the UK 1801

> > chart. I haven't looked further afield than that. Obviously, the

> > key is having important planets and rulers and dasha lords around 17

> > degrees. Canada's Sun is in rapt conj with Uranus on the IC at

> > 16Ge56 and the UK asc is about 15Virgo. Both charts are running

> > potentially turbulent dasha combos. All of which suggest either

> > unrelated problems in all 3 countries (not impossible) or something

> > much bigger that affects all three simultaneously.

> >

> > Wondering if this event might be a natural disaster, I checked the

> > Krakatoa chart (Aug 27 1883 10.02 SSUT -- data from the recent Simon

> > Winchester book about it) Interestingly 17Libra rises so that's a

> > bang on hit for malefic Ketu. Not a whole lot else jumps out at me

> > however. Tentatively, I'd say that's a point against a big natural

> > disaster. But it's only one point. Also nothing much shows up on

> > the Hiroshima chart, but I only had a cursory look.

> >

> > Thanks to Steve S for making these logical suggestions. Clearly, from

> > here on in, gangs of little hamster astrologers will be running on

> > their little caged wheels for the next couple months in search of

> > answer. Good luck to them, to you, and to me.

> >

> > cheers,

> > Chris

> >

> > , " bobnicewander "

> > <jan61108> wrote:

> > > I originaly posted this information on several lists on which I

> > have

> > > membership. The oringinal posting goes back some months.

> > >

> > > Feedback from members on another list prompted me to look at the

> > > charts I have connected to American and European money.

> > >

> > > The results are as follows:

> > >

> > > U.S. Treasury, Sep 2, 1789, natal Mars 11 Cancer 17

> > >

> > > NYSE, May 17, 1792, secondary prog Moon 9 Capricorn 58

> > >

> > > Dow-Jones Industrial Avg, July 3, 1884, Sun 12 Cancer 14

> > >

> > > The Revenue Act, Oct 3, 1913,

> > > Sun 9 Libra 47

> > > Mars 9 Cancer 17

> > > Jupiter 9 Capricorn 18

> > > secondary prog Sun 10 Capricorn 47

> > >

> > > The Federal Reserve, Dec 23, 1913

> > > secondary prog Venus 12 Aries 34

> > > secondary pro Mars 13 Cancer 22

> > >

> > > OPEC, Sep 14, 1960

> > > Moon 8 Cancer 18

> > > Saturn 11 Capricorn 49

> > > secondary prog Mars 15 Cancer 09

> > > secondary prog Saturn 13 Capricorn 14

> > >

> > > The Euro, Jan 1, 1999 and Jan 1, 2002

> > > 99 Sun 10 Capricorn 03

> > > 02 Sun 10 Capricorn 20

> > > 02 Jupiter 10 Cancer 40

> > > 02 secondary prog Venus 10 Capricorn 07

> > > 02 secondary prog Jupiter 10 Cancer 20

> > > 02 secondary prog Sun 12 Capricorn 46

> > >

> > > Bob

> > >

> > > > > I believe something will occur beginning in May (22nd through

> > the

> > > > > 27th) which will affect almost all Americans in a negative way,

> > > and

> > > > > that difficult times, particularly for Bush, will continue

> > > through

> > > > > the 3rd week of July.

> > > > >

> > > > > bob

> > > > >

> > > > For the May timeing (22nd through the 27th)I use the Bush chart

> > > > relocated to Crawford, TX., where the conjunction of transiting

> > > Mars

> > > > and Saturn will occur on the Ascendant of the chart. Congress is

> > > > scheduled to be recessed from the 24rh through the 28th of May,

> > > which

> > > > means they will be off from the 22nd of May through June 1st.

> > > >

> > > > I also have done progressed lunar returns (a technique unique to

> > > > myself) for people from coast to coast and border to border in

> > the

> > > > U.S. and have the conjunction coming to the angles of their

> > charts

> > > on

> > > > the 24th or 25th. Not sure what to make of it but a negative

> > > > psychological hit might be in store for the country at that time.

> > I

> > > > also used the Bush Inaugural chart, the Sidereal Capsolar, and

> > > their

> > > > derivatives, along with Bush's and it's derivatives.

> > > >

> > > > Timetable for transiting Saturn contacts to the Sibley, Bush, &

> > WTC

> > > > attack charts with positions given in degrees and minutes of

> > right

> > > > ascension rather than hh:mm:ss. Bush chart relocated to

> > Washington,

> > > > D.C..

> > > >

> > > > Date.....Aspect.............................RA Point.....RA t Sat

> > > > June 21, conj Bush precessed Sun............105d 50m.....105d50m

> > > > June 30, sq Sibley precessed Sat............197d 33m.....107d 33m

> > > > July 6, conj Sibley precessed Sun...........107d 53m.....107d 53m

> > > > July 6, sq Bush precessed Moon..............197d 58m.....107d 58m

> > > > July 7, conj WTC attack MH..................108d 06m.....108d 06m

> > > > July 11, opp transiting Nep\Pl midpoint.....288d 37m.....108d 37m

> > > > July 14, sq Bush precessed, relocated, MH....19d 05m.....109d 05m

> > > > Addendum:

> > > > July 16, transiting Mars opp transiting Nep, Mars is conj Bush

> > > > precessed Pl and Nep is opp.

> > > >

> > > > Bob

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > This started when I was looking at the chart of someone living

> > in

> > > > New

> > > > > York City and saw a connection. I then decided to look at a

> > chart

> > > > for

> > > > > someone in California, then my own (Illinois), then others in

> > > > Texas,

> > > > > Florida, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Washington State, New

> > > Hampshire,

> > > > > Iowa, Oklahoma, Washington, DC, George Bushes chart, the Sibley

> > > > > Chart, a chart for Los Angeles (Speculative time), the Bush

> > > > Inaugural

> > > > > Chart, and the chart for the attack on Baghdad and found strong

> > > > > connections in all of them. I think this may be something on a

> > > > > national scale. Natural disaster? Terrorist attack? Dirt on

> > Bush

> > > or

> > > > > his administration? Internment of astrologers?

> > > > >

> > > > > The types of charts used were natal, secondary progressed,

> > solar

> > > > > returns, lunar returns, anlunars and progressed lunars and

> > > > anlunars.

> > > > > The only criteria was planetary contact of planets to angles.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bob

> >

> >

> > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " -----

> >

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Hi Chris,

 

Have you looked at Bush's upcoming Solar?

 

13 Cancer 03 Solar Mars

13 Cancer 01 Natal ASC New Haven

13 Cancer 06 Solar DSC Crawford............................its asc. is 29

aries 57

12 Cancer 50 Natal Vulcan (hypothetical intra-mercurial)

 

May's Mars-Saturn conjunction is a seed pod hiding in this solar

 

Dark*Star

 

 

Christopher Kevill wrote:

 

Of course, big things don't always happen under exact aspects.

And sometimes exact aspects bring nothing.

 

>