Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Therese, The Krishnamurti Nodes and Neptune insist on such close propinquity to the angles that they crowd out the other factors from interpretive expression. Admittedly they read simple and a quick eye catcher. On the other hand, The Fagan-Allen Nodes and Neptune, quite confident of their strength and power are quite willing to show up deep in the angular houses...allowing the very important Sun and Moon to attain the angles, so that their great weight actually fractures the great tectonics before the fruition of an event promised to a phased Moon timing...in this case the Full Moon. Without their squatting the angles we wouldn't know to predict an event at moon phase. A neat possibility would be to do both ayanamshas, as I already do both zodiacs. i_predict a rousing triumphant shout throughout the astrological mid-heavens when the siderealists finally discover the 356 other degrees in Solunars. Dark*Star Therese Hamilton wrote: > At 12:33 AM 2/7/04 -0800, Dark*Star wrote: > > >The Nodes were so afflicted in the Fagan-Allen Capricorn Ingress that the > Moon > >couldn't even wait the 14 hours to absolute fullness with the heavy planets > > Oh, O.K., I get it! Early pregnancy. Or maybe miscarriage? > > (The same affliction is in the K ingress chart, only it's in the foreground.) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 At 08:02 PM 2/7/04 -0800, Dark*Star wrote: > >On the other hand, The Fagan-Allen Nodes and Neptune, quite >confident of their strength and power are quite willing to show up deep >in the angular houses...allowing the very important Sun and Moon to >attain the angles, The F-B Moon is already separating from the square to the Sun by 6.5 degrees. >...Without their squatting the angles we wouldn't know to predict an event at moon phase. Yes we would--K Ingress: Moon at 23 Virgo is in applying square to the Sun (widely conjunct the IC). Moon opposes Mars -partile (same degree) We know to watch out for that 23rd degree because Mars is part of the aspects-to-asc complex focusing on the 23rd degree. Quake #1: Moon opposes Asc/Sun 1-7 (the square matures to the opposition) Sun is 22.5 Cap trine the Ingress Moon at 23 Virgo. Quake #2: Foreground Sun (10th) is 23Cap50, likewise trine the Ingress Moon. But Neptune/Nodes are the real culprits. In the second big quake the Moon is past the opposition to the Sun, so we can't time the quake by the opposition. >A neat possibility would be to do both ayanamshas, as I already do >both zodiacs. Yes, I have all three ingress charts for these quakes--F-B, Lahiri and K. This is a really good study for ingress charts because there have been multiple major quakes two days apart. >i_predict a rousing triumphant shout throughout the astrological >mid-heavens when the siderealists finally discover the 356 other >degrees in Solunars. Do you mean there is too much emphasis placed on the chart angles? Since the multiple quakes have isolated the angles (Neptune/Nodes/Sun) this is the time to test out the lunar ingresses to see if one or more also tie in with the quake angles. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 --- Dark Star <pansophia wrote: > > i_predict a rousing triumphant shout throughout the > astrological > mid-heavens when the siderealists finally discover > the 356 other > degrees in Solunars. > Could you elaborate on that comment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 Hi, I don't see the angles as the alpha and omega of solunars, merely the alpha...where we start. Then the rest of the chart has to be put together. That is the omega. I don't do rabbit jumps from one quotidian to the next without some filling in. But each as he will. Dark*Star Juan Oliver wrote: > --- Dark Star <pansophia wrote: > > > > i_predict a rousing triumphant shout throughout the > > astrological > > mid-heavens when the siderealists finally discover > > the 356 other > > degrees in Solunars. > > > > Could you elaborate on that comment? > > > > " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 Dark*Star... --- Dark Star <pansophia wrote: > > Hi, > > I don't see the angles as the alpha and omega of > solunars, merely the > alpha...where we start. I couldn't agree with you more.... I will add that the " siderealist's " that I know and have encountered think the same way... It's where we start and where the " emphasis " of the chart is expressed. Angles are not the alpha and the omega as I have found " siderealist's " are " out of the box " thinkers and as such tinker and explore with various sidereal theories in addition to the angles. Then the rest of the chart > has to be put together. > That is the omega. I don't do rabbit jumps from one > quotidian to the next > without some filling in. But each as he will. > > Dark*Star > There are so many charts to do... and each chart has its message... Its like doing the prime vertical/mundoscope as well as the zodiacal, each perspective requires inclusion if we are to postulate as clearly as possible. So when you insinuate that siderealists do not read charts beyond the angles, I differ with that opinion of yours. Out of curiosity.... Are you a So Cal siderealist like Matt? Juan PS: wha kind of filling do you engage in between quotidian's? and do you prefer the Q1 or Q2? > Juan Oliver wrote: > > > --- Dark Star <pansophia wrote: > > > > > > i_predict a rousing triumphant shout throughout > the > > > astrological > > > mid-heavens when the siderealists finally > discover > > > the 356 other > > > degrees in Solunars. > > > > > > > Could you elaborate on that comment? > > > > > > > > " > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2004 Report Share Posted February 12, 2004 Hello Juan, Juan Oliver wrote: > California, and you? > > Out of curiosity.... Are you a So Cal siderealist --- For example, If the Moon only was angular in some PSSR for 9/11 but closely conjoining Saturn and closely opposite Pluto, Mars... I would bring them all in to account for the destruction...and finding, say Neptune on the 7th cusp of the Lavignini to account for the terror in the public sector. I use the PSSR provided by SF, whatever its Q. But more often using the DBQ and Wynn. I would like just to press a button in one step on the computer so I could explore Bob Nicewander's progressed lunars...for the Moon is the mistress and index of our Arte...but that isn't yet available. Dark*Star > > > PS: wha kind of filling do you engage in between > quotidian's? and do you prefer the Q1 or Q2? > > > > > > > > > i_predict a rousing triumphant shout throughout > > the > > > > astrological > > > > mid-heavens when the siderealists finally > > discover > > > > the 356 other > > > > degrees in Solunars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2004 Report Share Posted February 13, 2004 --- Dark Star <pansophia wrote: > Juan Oliver wrote: > > > > Out of curiosity.... Are you a So Cal siderealist > > California, and you? Currently Texas but am looking at Nor Calif. again after being here 2 and a half years... So are you in Northern California or Southern Calif.? --- Dark Star <pansophia wrote: > > > > i_predict a rousing triumphant shout > throughout > > > the > > > > > astrological > > > > > mid-heavens when the siderealists finally > > > discover > > > > > the 356 other > > > > > degrees in Solunars. > > Juan Oliver wrote: PS: wha kind of filling do you engage in between > > quotidian's? and do you prefer the Q1 or Q2? > > --- Dark Star <pansophia wrote: > For example, If the Moon only was angular in some > PSSR for 9/11 but > closely conjoining Saturn and closely opposite > Pluto, Mars... I would > bring them all in to account for the > destruction... I think every siderealist looks at the entire chart and would account for all of the influences. Yes.. siderealists are aware of the angles it seems more than tropicalists(in general) but they are not blind to rest of the chart. and finding, say > Neptune on the 7th cusp of the Lavignini What is Lavignini? to account > for the terror in the > public sector. I use the PSSR provided by SF, > whatever its Q. So it matters not which Q? Whether its the Bija rate or the standard(4 minute) rate? C'mon you don't have a preference? But more > often using the DBQ and Wynn. I'm not familiar with these... I would like just to > press a button in one > step on the computer so I could explore Bob > Nicewander's progressed > lunars... Bob can take of that as he has a software program which produces the charts... Talk to him about it. for the Moon is the mistress and index of > our Arte... Moon is the mistress and index of our ? .... but that > isn't yet available. > > Dark*Star Juan... PS: If you're in Northern Calif. contact Jack to find out when the Monthly Sidereal Meetings occur in San Francisco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2004 Report Share Posted February 15, 2004 Hi Juan, Presently So Cal. So you are looking to move back and join the boulevard cafe laptop New San Francisco School of Sidereal Astrologers? Sounds good to me. Just watch your Ps & Qs, I mean altitudes and azimuths. To calculate Lavagnini cusps: Add Asc. & MC longitudes and divide by 2 to get the A/M to which you add 45 degrees and the result is the first cusp. Then 12 equal houses all round from that. Don't have to draw, you can see it in your mind. In Bush's solar for 2000 the Lavagnini 1st cusp was 09TA15 on Jupiter at 6 TA. DBQ is Diurnal Birth Quotidian. You know diurnals, right? Wynn is an option on SF. I have never used Bija. There is no correct astrological rate or location or zodiac or node or technique or anything. What is correct is to select what feels right for the exigencies of one's chart and perfect it to an excellance in one's own style. Arte = Art. Dark*Star Juan Oliver wrote: .. .. .. .. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 Dark Star --- Dark Star <pansophia wrote: > > Hi Juan, > > Presently So Cal. So you are looking to move back > and join the boulevard cafe laptop New San Francisco > School of > Sidereal Astrologers? San Francisco does not have boulevard cafe's like Los Angeles... Two different styles. San Francisco is much more of a bohemian lifestyle with curb appeal. Los Angeles and its glamor has the " boulevards " with tropical fanfare.... Sounds good to me. Just watch > your PS & QS, I mean altitudes and azimuths. > I should have taken that into consideration when I moved to the republic of texass. What do you derive from altitudes and azimuths? > To calculate Lavagnini cusps: Add Asc. & MC > longitudes and divide by 2 to get the A/M to which > you add 45 degrees > and the result is the first cusp. Then 12 equal > houses all round from that. Don't have to draw, you > can see it in > your mind. Did that... interesting concept... doesn't change much in my chart... so who was Lavagnini? Have you researched these angles much? See any change with astrocartography? In Bush's solar for 2000 the Lavagnini > 1st cusp was 09TA15 on Jupiter at 6 TA. > What does his solar say for 2004? Lavagnini 1st cusp is 15TA18 and Venus is at 15TA34. His relocated Natal " Lavagnini " to the Capitol conjuncts his natal Saturn... Guess he was ment to work in Washington.... > DBQ is Diurnal Birth Quotidian. You know diurnals, > right? Wynn is an option on SF. > I don't know how to do a Quotidian with a Diurnal as my understanding of a Diurnal is a chart done on a daily basis done for the same time as the time you were born. I did Diurnal's on Election Day for Bush in 2000 and 2004 and ran a tri-chart with the Diurnal in the center with Bush's natal and quotidian for both Election days. Doing the " Lavagnini " to both.. I discovered that his diurnal for both 2000 and 2004 have the Sun at the ASC.(Not so unusual since he was born near dawn and in diurnals, the Sun is usually found in the same house as in its natal) I also discovered that Bush had " Transiting/Diurnal " Uranus at his IC in 2000 and will have Neptune at his IC in 2004. What do you read of that? > I have never used Bija. There is no correct > astrological rate or location or zodiac or node or > technique or > anything. What is correct is to select what feels > right for the exigencies of one's chart and perfect > it to an > excellance in one's own style. > > Arte = Art. > Dark*Star > There Is no correct astrological rate or location or zodiac or node or technique or anything? So whats the point of doing it if not to discover " correct " measures(math)? A very good friend of mine would laugh at me when I would talk about charts... She was/is a " sensitive " (She disliked being called a psychic) She would say why do you do all of that mathematical stuff when all you have to do is " feel " it and " see " it. I explained to her that the importance of the mathematics was to demonstrate and instruct those that know math... Those people that build spaceships from their understanding of math... She has taught me to be appreciative of my " sensitive " talents.... and She has taught me to embrace rational measures.. Jivio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Juan, I don't use altitudes and azimuths. See the SF people for that. In adding 45* to Bush's 2004 Solar A/M I got an L.1st cusp of 20TA17. As points I don't use them as angles...so no Astrocartography. A Diurnal _is a quotidian. Uranus on the IC means moving. Neptune on the IC means that the structure dissolves and falls apart, dies _or dirty tricks, deception and fraud enter the picture. The present administration wants to stay in power very badly. Therese covered nicely your last question. You are finding your " correct " measures and they require much math. When they became over freighted your psychic sensitive friend arrives in Libran exuberance to adjust you out so you're happy in your work. We should all have such nice friends. Dark*Star Juan Oliver wrote: > Dark Star > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 --- Dark Star <pansophia wrote: > > Juan, > > I don't use altitudes and azimuths. See the SF > people for that. The SF folks? Hmmm you must mean the San Francisco Siderealists and not the Solar Fire folks... The World is a big oyster and the information on altitudes and azimuths is where you find it... > In adding 45* to Bush's 2004 Solar A/M I got an > L.1st cusp of 20TA17. As > points I don't use them as angles...so no > Astrocartography. > A Diurnal _is a quotidian. After all of my attempts to understand what you do I've come to the conclusion that may not be possible. I can't follow/understand your rationale. That's ok with me... wouldn't be the first time.. > Uranus on the IC means moving. Neptune on the IC > means that the structure > dissolves and falls apart, dies _or dirty tricks, > deception and fraud > enter the picture. The present administration wants > to stay in power very > badly. > Power is not something you give up without trying to destroy the other guy... they teach that in Poliics 101... Uranus on the IC means you're sitting on excitement and change! > Therese covered nicely your last question. You are > finding your " correct " > measures and they require much math. When they > became over freighted your > psychic sensitive friend arrives in Libran > exuberance to adjust you out so > you're happy in your work. We should all have such > nice friends. > Dark*Star LMAO.... My psychic sensitive friend does not arrive in Libran exuberance to adjust me out so that I'm happy in my work... She was teasing me... She the Virgo with Pisces Eyes.... She thought she could be Marilyn Monroe but unfortunately never could pull it off in the eyes of others. It takes more than one's imagination to know it makes sense. That you " know " anything requires structure. How do you figure you can use any zodiac, aspect, planet or house division and know it " just " makes sense? If you have a theory.... It has boundries... elements of structure... defined by math... just like the air we breathe and the air pressure we live within... it may seem invisible but its calculatable... math... structure.... stars.... relationships.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzjivio PS: We all have the ability to be " sensitives " ..... Its whether we recognize and then choose to use those gifts/talents which provide us sensitivity. If my " mars " was showing, it was not ment to be harmful.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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