Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 At 04:38 PM 3/22/04 -0800, Dark*Star wrote: > >Hi Chris, > >Have you looked at Bush's upcoming Solar? > >13 Cancer 03 Solar Mars >13 Cancer 01 Natal ASC New Haven >13 Cancer 06 Solar DSC Crawford............................its asc. is 29 >aries 57 >12 Cancer 50 Natal Vulcan (hypothetical intra-mercurial) > >May's Mars-Saturn conjunction is a seed pod hiding in this solar Chris and Dark*Star, Solar MC-Uranus-Moon conj. too--all in natal 8th. Moon is only a few minutes from the exact 8th cusp (taking the Asc degree as the cuspal degree--that is, aspects to the asc). Solar Mars is partile quincunx solar Moon. Jupiter opposes Moon-Uranus, but with a wider orb. Might be a sort of protection? This year's election is a no-brainer. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 Since Mars shows up so strongly in W's SR (SR Mars on natal asc, SR Mars quincunx SR Moon which is natal asc ruler, and SR navamsa Mars on SR nav. asc) I wonder if he and his minions will get really brutal and ruthless when he realizes he's going to lose. ....Bettina Therese Hamilton [eastwest] Monday, March 22, 2004 10:04 PM Re: Bush/Solar At 04:38 PM 3/22/04 -0800, Dark*Star wrote: > >Hi Chris, > >Have you looked at Bush's upcoming Solar? > >13 Cancer 03 Solar Mars >13 Cancer 01 Natal ASC New Haven >13 Cancer 06 Solar DSC Crawford............................its asc. is 29 >aries 57 >12 Cancer 50 Natal Vulcan (hypothetical intra-mercurial) > >May's Mars-Saturn conjunction is a seed pod hiding in this solar Chris and Dark*Star, Solar MC-Uranus-Moon conj. too--all in natal 8th. Moon is only a few minutes from the exact 8th cusp (taking the Asc degree as the cuspal degree--that is, aspects to the asc). Solar Mars is partile quincunx solar Moon. Jupiter opposes Moon-Uranus, but with a wider orb. Might be a sort of protection? This year's election is a no-brainer. Therese " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 DS and Therese - Right about the solars, although I'll reserve judgement on Vulcan. Therese, why is the election a no brainer? No brainer for who? Who do you think will win? Maybe there won't even be an election. I can see that Bush has a tertiary progressed station of Jupiter in April (approx) so that might represent a variety of things: finding OBL or discovering the pretext for postponement through the coming May disaster, etc. Trouble is its way too early for November. Kerry has a tertiary progressed Uranus station just two months/days after the election. This is more or less favourable although hard to see how it conforms to a victory profile. .. Chris ps given Clinton's popularity on the Dem funding raising circuit, some media are reporting that its possible that he could be nominated for VP, which is allowed under the constitution. It's far fetched but interesting, and underscores the lack of charisma of Kerry. Might be worth a look in Bill's chart. - " Therese Hamilton " <eastwest Monday, March 22, 2004 9:03 PM Re: Bush/Solar > At 04:38 PM 3/22/04 -0800, Dark*Star wrote: > > > >Hi Chris, > > > >Have you looked at Bush's upcoming Solar? > > > >13 Cancer 03 Solar Mars > >13 Cancer 01 Natal ASC New Haven > >13 Cancer 06 Solar DSC Crawford............................its asc. is 29 > >aries 57 > >12 Cancer 50 Natal Vulcan (hypothetical intra-mercurial) > > > >May's Mars-Saturn conjunction is a seed pod hiding in this solar > > Chris and Dark*Star, > > Solar MC-Uranus-Moon conj. too--all in natal 8th. Moon is only a few > minutes from the exact 8th cusp (taking the Asc degree as the cuspal > degree--that is, aspects to the asc). Solar Mars is partile quincunx solar > Moon. Jupiter opposes Moon-Uranus, but with a wider orb. Might be a sort of > protection? This year's election is a no-brainer. > > Therese > > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 At 12:37 PM 3/27/04 -0800, Chris wrote: >DS and Therese - > >Right about the solars, although I'll reserve judgement on Vulcan. > >Therese, why is the election a no brainer? No brainer for who? Who do you >think will win? Using the Solar Returns, Enneads and Lunars, I see Kerry being inaugurated in January. I was hoping that some long-time Fagan-Allen astrologers would post something on the return charts. >Maybe there won't even be an election. I can see that Bush has a tertiary >progressed station of Jupiter in April (approx) so that might represent a >variety of things: finding OBL or discovering the pretext for postponement >through the coming May disaster, etc. Trouble is its way too early for >November. I know that Richard Houck used tertiaries for political preduction, and he was always seemed to be right. But I don't have enough experience with tertiaries to use them with any confidence. >Kerry has a tertiary progressed Uranus station just two months/days after >the election. This is more or less favourable although hard to see how it >conforms to a victory profile. I agree. I never know what to do with Uranus. I look mainly at Jupiter and the Sun for political victory. But I can't claim to be the kind of expert that Richard Houck was or Ken Bowser has shown himself to be. I've only become interested in mundane and political astrology fairly recently. >ps given Clinton's popularity on the Dem funding raising circuit, some media >are reporting that its possible that he could be nominated for VP, which is >allowed under the constitution. It's far fetched but interesting, and >underscores the lack of charisma of Kerry. Might be worth a look in Bill's >chart. Or Hillary's?? In another post I'm going to copy James Braha's thoughts on Bush this year. I saw his commentary on another list. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 - " Therese Hamilton " <eastwest Saturday, March 27, 2004 4:58 PM Re: Bush/Solar > At 12:37 PM 3/27/04 -0800, Chris wrote: > >DS and Therese - > > > >Right about the solars, although I'll reserve judgement on Vulcan. > > > >Therese, why is the election a no brainer? No brainer for who? Who do you > >think will win? > > Using the Solar Returns, Enneads and Lunars, I see Kerry being inaugurated > in January. I was hoping that some long-time Fagan-Allen astrologers would > post something on the return charts. OK thanks for that. > > >Maybe there won't even be an election. I can see that Bush has a tertiary > >progressed station of Jupiter in April (approx) so that might represent a > >variety of things: finding OBL or discovering the pretext for postponement > >through the coming May disaster, etc. Trouble is its way too early for > >November. > > I know that Richard Houck used tertiaries for political preduction, and he > was always seemed to be right. But I don't have enough experience with > tertiaries to use them with any confidence. > Houck basically said that the guy with the most stations wins -- although the planet involved and its function in the chart are also important. Bush doesn't have any progressed stations (seconary/tertiary/minor) in Nov. > >Kerry has a tertiary progressed Uranus station just two months/days after > >the election. This is more or less favourable although hard to see how it > >conforms to a victory profile. > > I agree. I never know what to do with Uranus. I look mainly at Jupiter and > the Sun for political victory. But I can't claim to be the kind of expert > that Richard Houck was or Ken Bowser has shown himself to be. I've only > become interested in mundane and political astrology fairly recently. > Just to correct something I wrote: Kerry has a secondary progressed Uranus direct station coming up in 2006 although it is only one minute from that stationary point now hence it has a lot of " torque " , as Houck used to say. Kerry's 3P Uranus station already occurred in late Dec 2003. Sorry for the mixup. This coincides with his victory run in the primaries, etc. In Kerry's chart its in the 7th conj the chart ruler Mars and its in a tight quincunx with Mercury, which happens to be the dasha ruler if you follow that stuff. He had a 3P Mars station in January which coincided with becoming the frontrunner. But it will be long gone by election day, so that's no help to Kerry. He has a minor progressed Mercury station around the inauguration so that's a plus. He also has a minor progressed Neptune station in July, so look for a " minor " setback then. On balance, then, once Bush enjoys his 3P Jupiter station in next month, it looks like Kerry has all the station " votes " . Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Sometime ago I developed the assertion that Kerry would defeat Bush in the next election.... Today..... I've got a different perspective... Which tells me that the dogs are still loose on this one.... I figured with him having his Saturn Return the day after the election that it chronicled a life change for the man, the beginning of his life as retired President. Saturn at the Midheaven and Mars at the Ascendant and I postulated a possible mundo square that signaled his defeat. Bush has a Saturn Return on Nov. 3rd, the day after the election and Saturn goes retrograde and conjuncts that same point 9 days later. Chris... Does this count as a station? In June of 2005 Bush has his third pass and final Saturn Return for 28 or so years.. As I Mentioned, his first Saturn Return is conjunct the MC(Fagan-Bradley/Campanus) with Mars rising at the Asc. His Natal adjusted to the Capitol has Saturn a few degrees above the Asc. Saturn is diligent and slow-moving(please no jokes) and this Saturn is no longer his approach but his acquired hard hat(MC). He is now the President and I think his Natal Saturn at the Asc. has brought him to having Saturn at the MC(His work as President). Re-election(He just might get elected this time) time is for all of the marbles. It is the measuring stick that sez " you were so good the first four years that we(the people) want four more! Mars at the Asc. is saying that his Approach is re-vitalized or bruised by losing. Bush's Natal Mars(Conjunct Progressed Sun) is 45 degrees from (Saturn Return)Mars(Asc.) and 45 degrees from the Saturn Return MC. Bush wants this election and has been putting the money together to secure it. Mars is critical in these charts... This is a throwaway Saturn Return as he will have a 2nd pass in a couple of days and his third pass on June 25th, 2005. Though a throwaway, it is significant for his election and our ability to determine if he is re-elected. His Natal Jupiter is conjunct the Asc. of the Saturn Return and progressed(Jupiter) is in play conjunct Progressed Venus. Bush has a cavalcade of aspects going on during the time of his election.... Does transiting Venus conjuncting his natal Neptune on Election Day... represent a sweetness time during his field of dreams? Does Mars knock him out? Kerry may be " our " next President..... Can he earn that position? Jivio Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote: - " Therese Hamilton " To: Saturday, March 27, 2004 4:58 PM Re: Bush/Solar > At 12:37 PM 3/27/04 -0800, Chris wrote: > >DS and Therese - > > > >Right about the solars, although I'll reserve judgement on Vulcan. > > > >Therese, why is the election a no brainer? No brainer for who? Who do you > >think will win? > > Using the Solar Returns, Enneads and Lunars, I see Kerry being inaugurated > in January. I was hoping that some long-time Fagan-Allen astrologers would > post something on the return charts. OK thanks for that. > > >Maybe there won't even be an election. I can see that Bush has a tertiary > >progressed station of Jupiter in April (approx) so that might represent a > >variety of things: finding OBL or discovering the pretext for postponement > >through the coming May disaster, etc. Trouble is its way too early for > >November. > > I know that Richard Houck used tertiaries for political preduction, and he > was always seemed to be right. But I don't have enough experience with > tertiaries to use them with any confidence. > Houck basically said that the guy with the most stations wins -- although the planet involved and its function in the chart are also important. Bush doesn't have any progressed stations (seconary/tertiary/minor) in Nov. > >Kerry has a tertiary progressed Uranus station just two months/days after > >the election. This is more or less favourable although hard to see how it > >conforms to a victory profile. > > I agree. I never know what to do with Uranus. I look mainly at Jupiter and > the Sun for political victory. But I can't claim to be the kind of expert > that Richard Houck was or Ken Bowser has shown himself to be. I've only > become interested in mundane and political astrology fairly recently. > Just to correct something I wrote: Kerry has a secondary progressed Uranus direct station coming up in 2006 although it is only one minute from that stationary point now hence it has a lot of " torque " , as Houck used to say. Kerry's 3P Uranus station already occurred in late Dec 2003. Sorry for the mixup. This coincides with his victory run in the primaries, etc. In Kerry's chart its in the 7th conj the chart ruler Mars and its in a tight quincunx with Mercury, which happens to be the dasha ruler if you follow that stuff. He had a 3P Mars station in January which coincided with becoming the frontrunner. But it will be long gone by election day, so that's no help to Kerry. He has a minor progressed Mercury station around the inauguration so that's a plus. He also has a minor progressed Neptune station in July, so look for a " minor " setback then. On balance, then, once Bush enjoys his 3P Jupiter station in next month, it looks like Kerry has all the station " votes " . Chris " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Juan - " Juan Oliver " <jivio Tuesday, March 30, 2004 3:29 PM Re: Re: Bush/Solar > > Sometime ago I developed the assertion that Kerry would defeat Bush in the next election.... > > Today..... I've got a different perspective... Which tells me that the dogs are still loose on this one.... I hear you. I'm still on the fence officially. > > I figured with him having his Saturn Return the day after the election that it chronicled a life change for the man, the beginning of his life as retired President. > > Saturn at the Midheaven and Mars at the Ascendant and I postulated a possible mundo square that signaled his defeat. > > Bush has a Saturn Return on Nov. 3rd, the day after the election and Saturn goes retrograde and conjuncts that same point 9 days later. > > Chris... Does this count as a station? Sure does -- although since it is a transit station it is considered to be weaker than a progressed station -- at least according to Houck's approach to political astrology which I more or less to. > > In June of 2005 Bush has his third pass and final Saturn Return for 28 or so years.. > > As I Mentioned, his first Saturn Return is conjunct the MC(Fagan-Bradley/Campanus) with Mars rising at the Asc. > > His Natal adjusted to the Capitol has Saturn a few degrees above the Asc. Saturn is diligent and slow-moving(please no jokes) and this Saturn is no longer his approach but his acquired hard hat(MC). He is now the President and I think his Natal Saturn at the Asc. has brought him to having Saturn at the MC(His work as President). Re-election(He just might get elected this time) time is for all of the marbles. It is the measuring stick that sez " you were so good the first four years that we(the people) want four more! Mars at the Asc. is saying that his Approach is re-vitalized or bruised by losing. Bush's Natal Mars(Conjunct Progressed Sun) is 45 degrees from (Saturn Return)Mars(Asc.) and 45 degrees from the Saturn Return MC. Bush wants this election and has been putting the money together to secure it. Mars is critical in these charts... Mars is great in Bush's chart. > > This is a throwaway Saturn Return as he will have a 2nd pass in a couple of days and his third pass on June 25th, 2005. > > Though a throwaway, it is significant for his election and our ability to determine if he is re-elected. > > His Natal Jupiter is conjunct the Asc. of the Saturn Return and progressed(Jupiter) is in play conjunct Progressed Venus. > Interesing point -- will look at this. > Bush has a cavalcade of aspects going on during the time of his election.... > > Does transiting Venus conjuncting his natal Neptune on Election Day... represent a sweetness time during his field of dreams? Does Mars knock him out? > Mars at the IC -- could go either way. Or even nothing. Although it is tightening up so that it will be only 1 minute from the stationary point, Kerry's 2P Uranus station doesn't exactly occur until November *2006* which naturally makes me wonder if this election will get postponed for two years due to early summer havoc, so that Kerry will finally claim the prize in 06. Maybe it's time I changed the water on that bong... Chris > > > Kerry may be " our " next President..... Can he earn that position? > > Jivio > > > Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote: > - > " Therese Hamilton " > To: > Saturday, March 27, 2004 4:58 PM > Re: Bush/Solar > > > > At 12:37 PM 3/27/04 -0800, Chris wrote: > > >DS and Therese - > > > > > >Right about the solars, although I'll reserve judgement on Vulcan. > > > > > >Therese, why is the election a no brainer? No brainer for who? Who do > you > > >think will win? > > > > Using the Solar Returns, Enneads and Lunars, I see Kerry being inaugurated > > in January. I was hoping that some long-time Fagan-Allen astrologers would > > post something on the return charts. > > OK thanks for that. > > > > > >Maybe there won't even be an election. I can see that Bush has a > tertiary > > >progressed station of Jupiter in April (approx) so that might represent a > > >variety of things: finding OBL or discovering the pretext for > postponement > > >through the coming May disaster, etc. Trouble is its way too early for > > >November. > > > > I know that Richard Houck used tertiaries for political preduction, and he > > was always seemed to be right. But I don't have enough experience with > > tertiaries to use them with any confidence. > > > > Houck basically said that the guy with the most stations wins -- although > the planet involved and its function in the chart are also important. Bush > doesn't have any progressed stations (seconary/tertiary/minor) in Nov. > > > >Kerry has a tertiary progressed Uranus station just two months/days after > > >the election. This is more or less favourable although hard to see how > it > > >conforms to a victory profile. > > > > I agree. I never know what to do with Uranus. I look mainly at Jupiter and > > the Sun for political victory. But I can't claim to be the kind of expert > > that Richard Houck was or Ken Bowser has shown himself to be. I've only > > become interested in mundane and political astrology fairly recently. > > > > Just to correct something I wrote: Kerry has a secondary progressed Uranus > direct station coming up in 2006 although it is only one minute from that > stationary point now hence it has a lot of " torque " , as Houck used to say. > Kerry's 3P Uranus station already occurred in late Dec 2003. Sorry for the > mixup. This coincides with his victory run in the primaries, etc. In > Kerry's chart its in the 7th conj the chart ruler Mars and its in a tight > quincunx with Mercury, which happens to be the dasha ruler if you follow > that stuff. He had a 3P Mars station in January which coincided with > becoming the frontrunner. But it will be long gone by election day, so > that's no help to Kerry. He has a minor progressed Mercury station around > the inauguration so that's a plus. He also has a minor progressed Neptune > station in July, so look for a " minor " setback then. On balance, then, once > Bush enjoys his 3P Jupiter station in next month, it looks like Kerry has > all the station " votes " . > > Chris > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Chris, So you are saying that Kerry will be accumulating power from coast to coast by station to station? :-) Dietmar , " Christopher Kevill " <christopher.kevill@s...> wrote: it looks like Kerry has > all the station " votes " . > > Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Dietmar Yeah, maybe he'll do interviews on " Coast to Coast " which will be broadcast on over 1000 stations. Looked into a couple of past presidential winners like LBJ and JFK -- guess what? No tertiary or secondary stations! So one can't be a captive to a technique either. Chris - " Dietmar " <stoll Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:46 AM Re: Bush/Solar > Chris, > > So you are saying that Kerry will be accumulating power from coast > to coast by station to station? :-) > > Dietmar > > > , " Christopher Kevill " > <christopher.kevill@s...> wrote: > it looks like Kerry has > > all the station " votes " . > > > > Chris > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Chris.. Clean out your bong and take no prisinors. .. Juan Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote: Dietmar Yeah, maybe he'll do interviews on " Coast to Coast " which will be broadcast on over 1000 stations. Looked into a couple of past presidential winners like LBJ and JFK -- guess what? No tertiary or secondary stations! So one can't be a captive to a technique either. Chris - " Dietmar " To: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:46 AM Re: Bush/Solar > Chris, > > So you are saying that Kerry will be accumulating power from coast > to coast by station to station? :-) > > Dietmar > > > , " Christopher Kevill " > wrote: > it looks like Kerry has > > all the station " votes " . > > > > Chris > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Juan Will do. Just looking again at LBJ. There was an important secondary progressed retrograde station of Neptune that became exact in 1962. But clearly it was barely moving from 1960 through to 1968, his time in office. Neptune by itself isn't great for political power, but in LBJs chart is was perfect since it was in a tight conjunction with Venus. Neptune as also exactly semisquare 10L Mars, so that intensification of Neptune by progression was invoking boty of those favourable energies. And we can speculate on how Neptunian the forces were to get him into office. Just to say that stations, especially secondaries, don't have to be dead on exact to have power. Kerry's upcoming Uranus station in 06 is therefore still very much in play in 04. It would just be stronger if it was exact. But no matter. Chris - " Juan Oliver " <jivio Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:20 PM Re: Re: Bush/Solar > Chris.. > > Clean out your bong and take no prisinors. > > . Juan > > Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote: > Dietmar > > Yeah, maybe he'll do interviews on " Coast to Coast " which will be broadcast > on over 1000 stations. > > Looked into a couple of past presidential winners like LBJ and JFK -- guess > what? No tertiary or secondary stations! So one can't be a captive to a > technique either. > > Chris > > - > " Dietmar " > To: > Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:46 AM > Re: Bush/Solar > > > > Chris, > > > > So you are saying that Kerry will be accumulating power from coast > > to coast by station to station? :-) > > > > Dietmar > > > > > > , " Christopher Kevill " > > wrote: > > it looks like Kerry has > > > all the station " votes " . > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > > > Post message: > > Subscribe: - > > Un: - > > List owner: -owner > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > / > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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