Geoffrey Dean/Multiple Births

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At 11:00 AM 12/1/03 -0800, Chris wrote:

 

>While I don't trust Dean or his motives, I wouldn't be so dismissive of this

>time twin study. Many of the times are within minutes of each other.

>Unfortunately for Dean, it appears he doesn't take much care in presenting

>the data systematically ie grouping together natives according to how close

>they were born to each other.

 

Chris, is there a way we can access this study? Is it on the Internet? I

saw only an Indian critique of the study.

 

>Still, time twins ARE an achilles heel of astrology and he is right to

>stress " our " weakness on this score.

 

In India the varga charts (such as the navamsa and dwad) are used to

distinguish between the charts and life paths of twins. But suppose the

times are almost exact, such as the cesarean birth of twins? India goes

all the way down to 12 second divisions, each with its own interpretation,

though I doubt that many astrologers have ever investigated those tiny

divisions. Also sometimes the navamsa is multiplied by twelve to get the

navamsa-dwad. India also divides the signs into 150 parts, the nadiamsas.

 

I remember an article I wrote once about a multiple birth where some of the

babies died and one or two lived. I saw distinct differences in the dwad

charts. This was in my western sidereal days, and I don't remember if the

article was published or not. The magazines came and went quickly in those

days.

 

I have twin brothers. One married early, had one son, and the marriage is

still happy. Husband and wife have always had professional jobs. The other

twin married late, had five children, the wife was a homemaker, but the

marriage ended in divorce. I'll have to find their horoscopes. They are

summer Pennsylvania births, and there was always the need to figure out if

the births were standard or daylight savings time.

 

>There's nothing worse than an arrogant

>know-it-all astrologer who can't predict their way out of paper bag,

>especially when confronted with very similiar nativities. Well, maybe an

>arrogant professional debunker, but that's another story...

 

They're about the same, aren't they?!

 

Therese

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" Therese Hamilton " <eastwest

 

Monday, December 01, 2003 7:30 PM

Re: Geoffrey Dean/Multiple Births

 

 

> At 11:00 AM 12/1/03 -0800, Chris wrote:

>

> >While I don't trust Dean or his motives, I wouldn't be so dismissive of

this

> >time twin study. Many of the times are within minutes of each other.

> >Unfortunately for Dean, it appears he doesn't take much care in

presenting

> >the data systematically ie grouping together natives according to how

close

> >they were born to each other.

>

> Chris, is there a way we can access this study? Is it on the Internet? I

> saw only an Indian critique of the study.

 

Therese -- I don't know it offhand, but I'll get back to you on it.

 

>

> >Still, time twins ARE an achilles heel of astrology and he is right to

> >stress " our " weakness on this score.

>

> In India the varga charts (such as the navamsa and dwad) are used to

> distinguish between the charts and life paths of twins. But suppose the

> times are almost exact, such as the cesarean birth of twins? India goes

> all the way down to 12 second divisions, each with its own

interpretation,

> though I doubt that many astrologers have ever investigated those tiny

> divisions. Also sometimes the navamsa is multiplied by twelve to get the

> navamsa-dwad. India also divides the signs into 150 parts, the nadiamsas.

>

 

Right, I follow a mostly vedic method so I do this too. I think D60 is the

most common varga chart used to these cases -- I try to avoid it myself due

to the inexactness of the birth time. Trouble is most astrologers (vedic or

otherwise) don't bother to use these methods when twins AREN'T involved and

yet if the same karmic rules are in place for all births, then surely they

ought to be followed. And even when one consults divisional charts, one has

to increase the importance of the vargas to account for the often huge

differences in life trajectories. Normally, divisionals are considered a

supplementary technique. Maybe that approach needs revising.

 

> I remember an article I wrote once about a multiple birth where some of

the

> babies died and one or two lived. I saw distinct differences in the dwad

> charts. This was in my western sidereal days, and I don't remember if the

> article was published or not. The magazines came and went quickly in those

> days.

>

> I have twin brothers. One married early, had one son, and the marriage is

> still happy. Husband and wife have always had professional jobs. The other

> twin married late, had five children, the wife was a homemaker, but the

> marriage ended in divorce. I'll have to find their horoscopes. They are

> summer Pennsylvania births, and there was always the need to figure out if

> the births were standard or daylight savings time.

>

 

It's funny how awareness of the twin problem is often brought about by the

closeness of it in our lives. Close friends of mine are twins so I've had

to think carefully about their charts. they are very different people on

different paths but share the same natal chart. they were born 25 minutes

apart, which although large by twin standards, still gives them the same

natal chart. One is forced to go into the divisionals, or midpoints, etc to

ferret out some significant differences. My question is: should we only be

going to this Plan B for twins? I don't think so.

 

> >There's nothing worse than an arrogant

> >know-it-all astrologer who can't predict their way out of paper bag,

> >especially when confronted with very similiar nativities. Well, maybe an

> >arrogant professional debunker, but that's another story...

>

> They're about the same, aren't they?!

>

 

:-)

Chris

 

 

> Therese

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