Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 I learned something today. I had not realized that the sidereal framework is viewed as 12 great 'Lunes' converging at the poles of the ecliptic (around which Draco wraps his tail.) There is a very neat planisphere available which you can turn to observe how the poles of the equator revolve around the fixed pole of the ecliptic (precession). This makes the picture of the sidereal zodiac very clear compared to the moving Tropical zodiac. For some reason I get a thrill watching the precession of the equinoxes through thousands of years on this little hand planisphere (10 inches in diameter). (Learning Technologies, Inc. 1-800-537-8703. The article below shows how Garth Allen explained the sidereal framework. http://www.magee.demon.co.uk/extracon.txt Therese " Many Things, " 3/71 A.A. Getting Things Straight LETTER 11/25/70, Fort Dodge, Iowa: I found the scathing review of " ASTROLOGY 14 " very interesting. I have not read that book, and Garth Allen has eliminated both the necessity and the desire to do so. I am a mere novice at astrology and a tropicalist at that, so I know you will understand if the question I am about to bring up would be elementary or obvious to others more advanced in their studies. I have an old star map printed by ten National Geographic magazine, December 1957. Across the bottom is a map of the ecliptic through the constellational zodiac, which quite clearly shows the Sun as moving only through the traditional 12 constellations with Cetus and Ophiuchus nowhere to be seen. Mr. Allen, National Geographic and I all agree that the Sun does not traverse these two constellations [Cetus and Ophiuchus]. Then I read astronomical descriptions of the dates when the visible planets moved through various constellations, and in this the constellation Ophiuchus is definitely mentioned! I have always thought that the siderealist viewed the constellations from the same point of view as the astronomer. If this is true, how does sidereal astrology deal with, say, Saturn in Ophiuchus? In anything I've ever read on sidereal astrology I have never seen any reference to the planets being anywhere but in the traditional constellations. Please enlighten me and other faithful readers via your excellent publication. GARTH ALLEN'S COMMENT: You have hit onto the commonest misunderstanding about the sidereal zodiac. The term 'constellation' is used by an astrologer only to distinguish the dozen zodiacal zones, which are exactly 30 degrees of longitude in width, from the word 'sign' which through broad usage has come to be more closely associated with the tropical scheme (even though the word 'sign' itself is clearly sidereal in derivation!). ***Sidereally speaking, a sign is a great lune*** representing one-twelfth of the entire celestial sphere, with the horns of the lune converging at the ecliptic poles--and therefore has nothing directly to do with the classical star-outlined figure straddling the ecliptic which gave the zone its name. Modern astronomers have allocated various areas on the celestial sphere to " constellations " roughly grouped according to tradition but using the equatorial system for their boundaries; right ascension and declination are more convenient coordinates for astronomical purposes. In this nonastrological set-up, the modern boundaries of Ophiuchus and Cetus do protrude into what is called the " zodiacal belt " even though, as far as astrologers are concerned, the zodiac should never be thought of as a belt or band or discrete width centered on the ecliptic. For instance, no matter how far from the ecliptic they may be, each of the stars of the Little Dipper--including Polaris itself--has a zodiacal longitude and latitude, expressible in either tropical or sidereal terms. To repeat for emphasis, the 12 zones of the sidereal zodiac are each 30 degrees in extent and are absolutely independent of individual stars and the artifices of star lore. The fiducial line, technically speaking, is determined by a perpendicular drawn to the ecliptic from the solar apex in absolute space; it is only a welcome happenstance that certain of the brighter stars have longitudes close to convenient divisions in the sidereal signs, such Aldebaran at 15 degrees Taurus, Antares at 15 degrees Scorpio, Alcyone and Regulus at 5 degrees of Taurus and Leo, respectively, and the traditional " tail stars " in the last two degrees of the sidereal divisions they belong to. [END] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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