The Faislaa Kundali at Page No. 384 of 1942 edition

July 15, 2009

Varun ji,

First of all kindly accept my gratitude to this group. I am

highly obliged and consider it my good luck that my kundali was used

in explaining 35 saala chakkar by pt. Bhooshanpriya ji and yet again

by Shukla ji in the concept of faisla kundali. Thanks for reimposing

confidence in me. It is my personal view that pt. Ji used the tool of

experimenting and observation in the evolution of lalkitab from 1939

to 1952. Ur goodself, Bhooshanpriya ji and Shukla ji are carrying

forward this legacy in the true spirit. Lalkitab community has great

expectations from all of you.

Wish u all the best.

Regards.

Kulbir.

On 7/15/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

> Dear Kulbir bhai,

>

> You know that the book has not explained why the varshphal planets of houses

> 1 to 6 alone be plotted in the â€˜faisala kundaliâ€™ houses 1st to 6th and

> the janma kundali planets placed from the 7th to 12th alone be plotted in

> the â€˜faisala kundaliâ€™ from 7th to 12th.

>

> I have a hypothesis; some thing which lacks proof and can not be called a

> theory because there is no documentary evidence to support.

>

> There could be two possible reasons:

>

> Houses 1st to 6th are known as adhrashta [not visible] houses where as the

> houses from the 7th to 12th are known as drashta [visible] houses. The Janma

> kundali is divided into two parts; the drashtardh [visible half or baad ke

> ghar] and adrashtardh [invisible half or pahale ke ghar]

>

> Since the Janma kundali planets are permanently fixed at the time of birth

> and will be known as such through out the life; the planets will stay where

> they are this year, next year and all years to come. Therefore placing them

> in the visible half makes sense; the known and defined planets in the known

> half.

>

> Where as the varshphal planets keep changing their positions every year and

> will fall under the category of unknown; therefore placing them in the

> invisible half, unknown half makes sense.

>

> The other reason appears to be that the planets of the first half [ pahale

> ke ghar] have an aspect on the planets of the second half [baad ke ghar].

>

> Therefore plotting the varsh phal planets in the first half alone could

> justify the change every year; new planets, new aspects, generating new

> events. A new scenario every year could be enacted only if there are new

> planets every time in the first half to throw an aspect on the Janma kundali

> planets.

>

> Still a very pertinent and a very serious question remains unexplained.

>

> Why plot only those planets which are in the later half of the janma kundali

> every year? Similarly why plot only those planets which are in the 1st half

> of the varshphal kundali?

>

> Suppose we have a janma kundali with Rahu in the 1st house and the Ketu in

> the 7th; and all other planets between the 1st and the 6th house. In that

> case no planet except ketu will get placed in the â€˜Faisala kundaliâ€™

> every time. Or it could be the other way round; all planets between the 7th

> house and the 1st house [zodiac counting]. In that case all planets except

> Rahu will get placed in the â€˜Faisala kundaliâ€™ every time.

>

> Such janma kundalis are not rare. There could be a lot of kundalis where the

> planets are placed on one side the Rahu-Ketu axis.

>

> I have no answers as yet, I have a hunch; just a loud thinking. I may have

> to play with the idea for a while, call it experimenting if you like.

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

, kulbir bance <kulbirbance

> wrote:

>>

>> Guruji, Kindly explain as to why varshphal planets are placed in

>> houses 1 to 6 and why lagan kundali planets are placed in 7 to 12

>> houses and dhoke ka grah. What was the need for this method. When

>> should it be applied. Regarding the predictive part i am very

>> surprised at a strange coincidence. Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji took up my

>> horoscope for explaining predictive part of 35 saala chakra. Whatever

>> he predicted for the next year like birth of son, purchase of car such

>> events had already happened in the past year. So is the case with this

>> analysis. Majority of events occurred last year, some are continuing.

>> I can't understand how my destiny got acclerated by one year. Pita ka

>> dharam bhai etc. - yes all these occurred. I will try to reply in

>> detail but at the momment i am dumbfounded at the question. How one

>> year got missing. Pt. Bhooshanpriya ji's prediction and now yours have

>> put a stamp on it. Guruji, u can ask anything and will get an honest

>> reply. My life is like an open book and majority of active members of

>> lalkitab groups know about it. Regards. Kulbir.

>>

>> On 7/12/09, lalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote:

>> > Res Guruvar & members

>> > Im analyzing the teva of Mr. Kulbir bains as per prepared Faislaa

>> > Kundali

>> > .Kulbir Ji ka teva hasb-e-jail hai

>> > Lagan = Meen,

>> > Sunï¿½ = khana 12

>> > Moon = khana 7

>> > Mars = khana 9

>> > Merc = Khana 11

>> > Jupï¿½ = Khana 9

>> > Venï¿½ = khana 10

>> > Satur= Khana 2

>> > Rahu = Khana 12

>> > Ketu = Khana 6

>> >

>> > Varshfal of 39 year:-

>> > Sunï¿½ = khana 7

>> > Moon = khana 10

>> > Mars = khana 6

>> > Merc = Khana 5

>> > Jupï¿½ = Khana 6

>> > Venï¿½ = khana 10

>> > Satur= Khana 4

>> > Rahu = Khana 7

>> > Ketu = Khana 2

>> >

>> > Mukammal Kundali:- Faisla Kundali:- as per the rule that planets of

>> > varshfal

>> > placed from 1 to 6th houses wil be placed as such in houses 1 to 6 in

>> > the

>> > faisla kundali,where as the planets placed from 7th to 12 in the janm

>> > kundali will be placed as such from house 7 to 12 in the faisla

>> > kundali.Over

>> > n above dhokey ka grah for 39 th year will be placed in the house no.10

>> > of

>> > the Faisla kundali.

>> > Khana 1 = -----

>> > Khana 2 = ketu

>> > Khana 3 = ven

>> > Khana 4 = saturn

>> > Khana 5 = Merc

>> > Khana 6 = Mars,Jupiter

>> > Khana 7 = Moon

>> > Khana 8 = -----

>> > Khana 9 = Mars, Jupiter

>> > Khana 10= Ven

>> > Khana 11= Merc

>> > Khana 12= Sun,Rahu

>> > Dhokey Ka Grah = Mars in Khana 10

>> > ï¿½Pujya Pandit Ji ke Mutabik agar dekhaa jaaye to Faisla Kundali main

>> > Mangal

>> > 3 baar aaya dhokey ka hone ke karan.Shukkar, Budh aur brihaspat 2 baar

>> > aa

>> > baithey.

>> > ï¿½Janam Kundali main Mangal bad hee hai jo ki khana 9 main Brihaspat ke

>> > saath

>> > baitha hai aur Faislaa kundali main bhi Mangal Bad hee sabit hogaa.Is

>> > tarah

>> > Mangal aur Brihaspat ka mila milaya asar is saal ke halaat par kabiz

>> > hogaa.

>> > ï¿½Kyonki umra ka 2nd 35 saalaa chakkar chal rahaa hai to koyee shak

>> > nahi ki

>> > khana 9 ka Mangal Bad 28 ki umar ke baad sir uthaa chuka hogaa aur 35 ke

>> > baad Khana 9 se mutalka Jaddi jaydad ke jhagdey ki tayyari ho chuki hogi

>> > jo

>> > ki khana 9 ke asar dikhne ka saboot hai. Faislaa Kundali main Chacha

>> > shani

>> > ki nazar khaana 10 ke Shukkar par hai,aur Dhoke ka Mangal bad to baithaa

>> > hee

>> > shukkar ke saath hai.Yaani Mangal Bad is varshfal ke dauraan pareshani

>> > ka

>> > pehli vazah hoga aur is pareshani main baap ka dharam ka bhai jo ki

>> > bataur

>> > hamdard maloom ho saktaa hai lekin dhokey ka karan bhi vahi ho saktaa

>> > hai,

>> > uski asaliyat kamo-besh jahir ho hee jayegi.Kyonki ho saktaa hai ki vah

>> > hee

>> > us aurat ka salaah-kaar ho ,jo ki hamesha saji rehti ho ya fir khud ke

>> > adhunik hone ki numaayeesh karti ho.

>> > ï¿½Shukkar kheti ki jameen bhi hai aur ek saji sajaayee faishion-parast

>> > aurat

>> > bhi, Is Faislaa kundali ke mutabik dono ka hee vuzood hai, kheti ki

>> > jameen

>> > ka jhagda aur jhagdey ki vazah vo aurat jo ki mangal (Haqiqi khoon) ki

>> > tabedaar hai.Is aurat ko na to tevey wale ki aurat se sarokaar hogaa na

>> > hee

>> > tevey wale ki bhabhi se, lekin tevey waley ka shukkar 3 ka asar uski

>> > aurat

>> > ke nek salaah ki shakal main saath hogaa khana 10 ka shukkar to shani ki

>> > poori nazar main hai lekin pahunchï¿½ main nahi.

>> > ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Mangal ke dhokey ke asar se Bujurg bhi bari nahi ho

>> > payengey aur

>> > khana 10 ke shukkar se be-ijjati ka shikaar bhi ho saktey hain. Baap ka

>> > dharam ka bhai ya khud baap ka bhai agar is saal ke dauran shirkat karey

>> > to

>> > ghar main na baithkar mandir ya gurdwarey main hee mangal ka jhagdaa

>> > niptaane ki koshish ki ja sakti hai ,jahaan par brihaspat ko taqat aur

>> > shukkar ko buddhi ,sanichchar ko asaliyat ka pataa chal jaayegaa aur

>> > sukoon

>> > mil sakegaa.

>> > ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Budh 2 baar khana 5 main aur khana 11 main aa baitha hai.

>> > Budh ka

>> > swabhaav chander ke jaisa hai, tevey wale ka chander khana 7 main

>> > mukammal

>> > hai aur yah jer-e-rihayeesh se aamdan ba-dastoor rakhegaa ,lekin kyonki

>> > budh

>> > chander swabhaav hai isliye uska asar tevey waley ki maataa par

>> > dikhegaa,

>> > yaani ab yah budh tevey wale ki maataa ki khaas faiseley ke vaqt chuppi

>> > ko

>> > janam degaa, maataa jo ki khud chander hai aur mukammal kundali main

>> > khana 7

>> > main chander lukshami ka avtaar hai ,Isliye mataa kisi bhed bhari chuppi

>> > ka

>> > shikaar rahegi, magar tevey waley ki aurat chup na rahey aur nek salaaah

>> > dene wali sabit ho sakti hai, magar maataa ki khamoshi se tevey wala

>> > apnaa

>> > sir dhun legaa.Magar aur kisi bhi tarikey se budh 5-11 ka mandaa asar

>> > mumkin

>> > hai ki na ho.Iske alaawaa tevey waley ko jang-o-adal ke saamaan se aur

>> > hathiyaar-band logo se doori banaa kar rakhnaa hee munaasib

>> > hogaa,Mehakmaa

>> > Kanoon (brihaspat) bhi dhokaa kha saktaa hai is mangal se.

>> > ï¿½ï¿½ Budh ka chander- swabhav ,mangal ka 3 baar aa jaanaa, guru ka

>> > khana 6 aur

>> > 9 main hona aur shukkar ka khana 3,10 main honaa is baat ki taraf bhi

>> > ishara

>> > kartaa hai ki jaddi makaan ki jamin main aise gumnaam gaddhey (jo kisi

>> > na

>> > kisi tarah naali ka paani ki mikdaar par geeley rahaa kartey they ab

>> > sookhey

>> > hon aur band hon) unhain ooper se khol diyaa jaaye.Varnaa mumkin hai ki

>> > tevey waley ki aurat ko mahavaari ki taqleef ya safed paani ki taqlif ho

>> > sakti hai.

>> > ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Baaki jis tarah se maine Faislaa kundali ka

>> > istemaal kiyaa hai uski

>> > asli kasauti Mr.Kulbir bains hain,Maine to Pujya pandit ji ki ek

>> > technique

>> > ko pehaliï¿½baar istemaal kiyaa hai.Aur is tevey main khaas baat hai ki

>> > ek

>> > saath 4 grah 2 baar ya 3 baar aa nikaley hain.Isiliye is tevey ko

>> > buniyaad

>> > banaayaa gayaa hai.Aur agar mere analyses kahin bhi kasauti par kharey

>> > nahi

>> > utartey hon to jo bhi vidwaan kisi aur tarikey se analyses ko impliment

>> > kartey hon aurï¿½ unke mutabik khaas asar ya faislaaï¿½,is

>> > faislaaï¿½kundali ka

>> > liyaa ja saktaa ho to , apne vichaar jaroor rakhain, yahi gujarish hai.

>> > With Regards

>> > Pt.Lalkitabee ( Private Counsellor )ï¿½V.Shukla

>> > Mb. 9812020001

>> >

>>

>> --

>> Sent from my mobile device

>>

>

--

Sent from my mobile device

July 16, 2009

Respected Vipin Shukla ji,

I was wondering if you could explain as to how you reached at the conclusion

that Mars, in the 'faisala kundali' of Kulbir bhai will act as malefic [bud].

With respect and regards,

Varun Trivedi

, kulbir bance <kulbirbance

wrote:

>

> Varun ji,

>

> First of all kindly accept my gratitude to this group. I am

> highly obliged and consider it my good luck that my kundali was used

> in explaining 35 saala chakkar by pt. Bhooshanpriya ji and yet again

> by Shukla ji in the concept of faisla kundali. Thanks for reimposing

> confidence in me. It is my personal view that pt. Ji used the tool of

> experimenting and observation in the evolution of lalkitab from 1939

> to 1952. Ur goodself, Bhooshanpriya ji and Shukla ji are carrying

> forward this legacy in the true spirit. Lalkitab community has great

> expectations from all of you.

>

> Wish u all the best.

>

> Regards.

>

> Kulbir.

>

On 7/15/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> >

> > You know that the book has not explained why the varshphal planets of houses

> > 1 to 6 alone be plotted in the â€˜faisala kundaliâ€™ houses 1st to 6th and

> > the janma kundali planets placed from the 7th to 12th alone be plotted in

> > the â€˜faisala kundaliâ€™ from 7th to 12th.

> >

> > I have a hypothesis; some thing which lacks proof and can not be called a

> > theory because there is no documentary evidence to support.

> >

> > There could be two possible reasons:

> >

> > Houses 1st to 6th are known as adhrashta [not visible] houses where as the

> > houses from the 7th to 12th are known as drashta [visible] houses. The Janma

> > kundali is divided into two parts; the drashtardh [visible half or baad ke

> > ghar] and adrashtardh [invisible half or pahale ke ghar]

> >

> > Since the Janma kundali planets are permanently fixed at the time of birth

> > and will be known as such through out the life; the planets will stay where

> > they are this year, next year and all years to come. Therefore placing them

> > in the visible half makes sense; the known and defined planets in the known

> > half.

> >

> > Where as the varshphal planets keep changing their positions every year and

> > will fall under the category of unknown; therefore placing them in the

> > invisible half, unknown half makes sense.

> >

> > The other reason appears to be that the planets of the first half [ pahale

> > ke ghar] have an aspect on the planets of the second half [baad ke ghar].

> >

> > Therefore plotting the varsh phal planets in the first half alone could

> > justify the change every year; new planets, new aspects, generating new

> > events. A new scenario every year could be enacted only if there are new

> > planets every time in the first half to throw an aspect on the Janma kundali

> > planets.

> >

> > Still a very pertinent and a very serious question remains unexplained.

> >

> > Why plot only those planets which are in the later half of the janma kundali

> > every year? Similarly why plot only those planets which are in the 1st half

> > of the varshphal kundali?

> >

> > Suppose we have a janma kundali with Rahu in the 1st house and the Ketu in

> > the 7th; and all other planets between the 1st and the 6th house. In that

> > case no planet except ketu will get placed in the â€˜Faisala kundaliâ€™

> > every time. Or it could be the other way round; all planets between the 7th

> > house and the 1st house [zodiac counting]. In that case all planets except

> > Rahu will get placed in the â€˜Faisala kundaliâ€™ every time.

> >

> > Such janma kundalis are not rare. There could be a lot of kundalis where the

> > planets are placed on one side the Rahu-Ketu axis.

> >

> > I have no answers as yet, I have a hunch; just a loud thinking. I may have

> > to play with the idea for a while, call it experimenting if you like.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Guruji, Kindly explain as to why varshphal planets are placed in

> >> houses 1 to 6 and why lagan kundali planets are placed in 7 to 12

> >> houses and dhoke ka grah. What was the need for this method. When

> >> should it be applied. Regarding the predictive part i am very

> >> surprised at a strange coincidence. Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji took up my

> >> horoscope for explaining predictive part of 35 saala chakra. Whatever

> >> he predicted for the next year like birth of son, purchase of car such

> >> events had already happened in the past year. So is the case with this

> >> analysis. Majority of events occurred last year, some are continuing.

> >> I can't understand how my destiny got acclerated by one year. Pita ka

> >> dharam bhai etc. - yes all these occurred. I will try to reply in

> >> detail but at the momment i am dumbfounded at the question. How one

> >> year got missing. Pt. Bhooshanpriya ji's prediction and now yours have

> >> put a stamp on it. Guruji, u can ask anything and will get an honest

> >> reply. My life is like an open book and majority of active members of

> >> lalkitab groups know about it. Regards. Kulbir.

> >>

> >> On 7/12/09, lalkitabee <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> >> > Res Guruvar & members

> >> > Im analyzing the teva of Mr. Kulbir bains as per prepared Faislaa

> >> > Kundali

> >> > .Kulbir Ji ka teva hasb-e-jail hai

> >> > Lagan = Meen,

> >> > Sunï¿½ = khana 12

> >> > Moon = khana 7

> >> > Mars = khana 9

> >> > Merc = Khana 11

> >> > Jupï¿½ = Khana 9

> >> > Venï¿½ = khana 10

> >> > Satur= Khana 2

> >> > Rahu = Khana 12

> >> > Ketu = Khana 6

> >> >

> >> > Varshfal of 39 year:-

> >> > Sunï¿½ = khana 7

> >> > Moon = khana 10

> >> > Mars = khana 6

> >> > Merc = Khana 5

> >> > Jupï¿½ = Khana 6

> >> > Venï¿½ = khana 10

> >> > Satur= Khana 4

> >> > Rahu = Khana 7

> >> > Ketu = Khana 2

> >> >

> >> > Mukammal Kundali:- Faisla Kundali:- as per the rule that planets of

> >> > varshfal

> >> > placed from 1 to 6th houses wil be placed as such in houses 1 to 6 in

> >> > the

> >> > faisla kundali,where as the planets placed from 7th to 12 in the janm

> >> > kundali will be placed as such from house 7 to 12 in the faisla

> >> > kundali.Over

> >> > n above dhokey ka grah for 39 th year will be placed in the house no.10

> >> > of

> >> > the Faisla kundali.

> >> > Khana 1 = -----

> >> > Khana 2 = ketu

> >> > Khana 3 = ven

> >> > Khana 4 = saturn

> >> > Khana 5 = Merc

> >> > Khana 6 = Mars,Jupiter

> >> > Khana 7 = Moon

> >> > Khana 8 = -----

> >> > Khana 9 = Mars, Jupiter

> >> > Khana 10= Ven

> >> > Khana 11= Merc

> >> > Khana 12= Sun,Rahu

> >> > Dhokey Ka Grah = Mars in Khana 10

> >> > ï¿½Pujya Pandit Ji ke Mutabik agar dekhaa jaaye to Faisla Kundali main

> >> > Mangal

> >> > 3 baar aaya dhokey ka hone ke karan.Shukkar, Budh aur brihaspat 2 baar

> >> > aa

> >> > baithey.

> >> > ï¿½Janam Kundali main Mangal bad hee hai jo ki khana 9 main Brihaspat ke

> >> > saath

> >> > baitha hai aur Faislaa kundali main bhi Mangal Bad hee sabit hogaa.Is

> >> > tarah

> >> > Mangal aur Brihaspat ka mila milaya asar is saal ke halaat par kabiz

> >> > hogaa.

> >> > ï¿½Kyonki umra ka 2nd 35 saalaa chakkar chal rahaa hai to koyee shak

> >> > nahi ki

> >> > khana 9 ka Mangal Bad 28 ki umar ke baad sir uthaa chuka hogaa aur 35 ke

> >> > baad Khana 9 se mutalka Jaddi jaydad ke jhagdey ki tayyari ho chuki hogi

> >> > jo

> >> > ki khana 9 ke asar dikhne ka saboot hai. Faislaa Kundali main Chacha

> >> > shani

> >> > ki nazar khaana 10 ke Shukkar par hai,aur Dhoke ka Mangal bad to baithaa

> >> > hee

> >> > shukkar ke saath hai.Yaani Mangal Bad is varshfal ke dauraan pareshani

> >> > ka

> >> > pehli vazah hoga aur is pareshani main baap ka dharam ka bhai jo ki

> >> > bataur

> >> > hamdard maloom ho saktaa hai lekin dhokey ka karan bhi vahi ho saktaa

> >> > hai,

> >> > uski asaliyat kamo-besh jahir ho hee jayegi.Kyonki ho saktaa hai ki vah

> >> > hee

> >> > us aurat ka salaah-kaar ho ,jo ki hamesha saji rehti ho ya fir khud ke

> >> > adhunik hone ki numaayeesh karti ho.

> >> > ï¿½Shukkar kheti ki jameen bhi hai aur ek saji sajaayee faishion-parast

> >> > aurat

> >> > bhi, Is Faislaa kundali ke mutabik dono ka hee vuzood hai, kheti ki

> >> > jameen

> >> > ka jhagda aur jhagdey ki vazah vo aurat jo ki mangal (Haqiqi khoon) ki

> >> > tabedaar hai.Is aurat ko na to tevey wale ki aurat se sarokaar hogaa na

> >> > hee

> >> > tevey wale ki bhabhi se, lekin tevey waley ka shukkar 3 ka asar uski

> >> > aurat

> >> > ke nek salaah ki shakal main saath hogaa khana 10 ka shukkar to shani ki

> >> > poori nazar main hai lekin pahunchï¿½ main nahi.

> >> > ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Mangal ke dhokey ke asar se Bujurg bhi bari nahi ho

> >> > payengey aur

> >> > khana 10 ke shukkar se be-ijjati ka shikaar bhi ho saktey hain. Baap ka

> >> > dharam ka bhai ya khud baap ka bhai agar is saal ke dauran shirkat karey

> >> > to

> >> > ghar main na baithkar mandir ya gurdwarey main hee mangal ka jhagdaa

> >> > niptaane ki koshish ki ja sakti hai ,jahaan par brihaspat ko taqat aur

> >> > shukkar ko buddhi ,sanichchar ko asaliyat ka pataa chal jaayegaa aur

> >> > sukoon

> >> > mil sakegaa.

> >> > ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Budh 2 baar khana 5 main aur khana 11 main aa baitha hai.

> >> > Budh ka

> >> > swabhaav chander ke jaisa hai, tevey wale ka chander khana 7 main

> >> > mukammal

> >> > hai aur yah jer-e-rihayeesh se aamdan ba-dastoor rakhegaa ,lekin kyonki

> >> > budh

> >> > chander swabhaav hai isliye uska asar tevey waley ki maataa par

> >> > dikhegaa,

> >> > yaani ab yah budh tevey wale ki maataa ki khaas faiseley ke vaqt chuppi

> >> > ko

> >> > janam degaa, maataa jo ki khud chander hai aur mukammal kundali main

> >> > khana 7

> >> > main chander lukshami ka avtaar hai ,Isliye mataa kisi bhed bhari chuppi

> >> > ka

> >> > shikaar rahegi, magar tevey waley ki aurat chup na rahey aur nek salaaah

> >> > dene wali sabit ho sakti hai, magar maataa ki khamoshi se tevey wala

> >> > apnaa

> >> > sir dhun legaa.Magar aur kisi bhi tarikey se budh 5-11 ka mandaa asar

> >> > mumkin

> >> > hai ki na ho.Iske alaawaa tevey waley ko jang-o-adal ke saamaan se aur

> >> > hathiyaar-band logo se doori banaa kar rakhnaa hee munaasib

> >> > hogaa,Mehakmaa

> >> > Kanoon (brihaspat) bhi dhokaa kha saktaa hai is mangal se.

> >> > ï¿½ï¿½ Budh ka chander- swabhav ,mangal ka 3 baar aa jaanaa, guru ka

> >> > khana 6 aur

> >> > 9 main hona aur shukkar ka khana 3,10 main honaa is baat ki taraf bhi

> >> > ishara

> >> > kartaa hai ki jaddi makaan ki jamin main aise gumnaam gaddhey (jo kisi

> >> > na

> >> > kisi tarah naali ka paani ki mikdaar par geeley rahaa kartey they ab

> >> > sookhey

> >> > hon aur band hon) unhain ooper se khol diyaa jaaye.Varnaa mumkin hai ki

> >> > tevey waley ki aurat ko mahavaari ki taqleef ya safed paani ki taqlif ho

> >> > sakti hai.

> >> > ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Baaki jis tarah se maine Faislaa kundali ka

> >> > istemaal kiyaa hai uski

> >> > asli kasauti Mr.Kulbir bains hain,Maine to Pujya pandit ji ki ek

> >> > technique

> >> > ko pehaliï¿½baar istemaal kiyaa hai.Aur is tevey main khaas baat hai ki

> >> > ek

> >> > saath 4 grah 2 baar ya 3 baar aa nikaley hain.Isiliye is tevey ko

> >> > buniyaad

> >> > banaayaa gayaa hai.Aur agar mere analyses kahin bhi kasauti par kharey

> >> > nahi

> >> > utartey hon to jo bhi vidwaan kisi aur tarikey se analyses ko impliment

> >> > kartey hon aurï¿½ unke mutabik khaas asar ya faislaaï¿½,is

> >> > faislaaï¿½kundali ka

> >> > liyaa ja saktaa ho to , apne vichaar jaroor rakhain, yahi gujarish hai.

> >> > With Regards

> >> > Pt.Lalkitabee ( Private Counsellor )ï¿½V.Shukla

> >> > Mb. 9812020001

> >> >

> >>

> >> --

> >> Sent from my mobile device

> >>

> >

>

> --

> Sent from my mobile device

>

July 19, 2009

Res Varun Ji

khaas taur par Khana 9,10 ko dekhaa jaaye aur Hum grahon ki mutalkaa agar

dekhain to dono jagah ki daulat virasat main milne wali daulat hee hai,kyonki

khana 9 ka talluq hai pitaa ki jaaydaad se ,isliye vahin se yah faisla liyaa

gaya ki mangal bad ka asar bujurgi daulat par asar daalegaa, kyonki jab

,varshfal aur dhokey ke mutabik faisla kundali tayyar kee gayee to khaana 10 ka

mangal dhokey ka sabab bana aur isse mutalliq rishtey daar hai pita ka dharam

bhai, jo ki is dhokey ke mangal ke asar se talluq rakh saktaa hai. Is tarah se

maine yah falaadesh liyaa hai. Iske alaawaa gaur-talab hai ki is pooree tafseel

main grahon ke jaagne ke asool ko bhi dhyaan main rakhaa gayaa hai.

With Regards

Pt. lalkitabee

V.Shukla

, " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Vipin ji,

>

> Thanks for explaining the procedure of ascertaining the nature of Mars.

>

> Just another request, if you could throw some light on the concept of 'dharma

bhai,chacha and property'.

>

> With respect and regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

, " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> >

> > Res Varun ji

> > It is so simple,as per the rules of Mangal Bad there sun is in 12th house

even with rahu also.So i taken it Mars Bad.Even u can see that there isn't help

of moon to Mars, that is also a sound reason to take it Mars Bad in Janam

Kundali.

> > When it has decided once that Mars is acting as Bad in janam-kundali, I

analyzed it in Faisla kundali as per the rules of Mars Bad & i found that saturn

in 4th & placement of Merc.in 5th is sufficient to call it Bad in Faisla

kundali.Now prooven that Mars is acting as bad from 9th to 10th.

> > Now come to the Varshfal- In varshfal Sun is posited in 7th with Rahu

,So again here it will work as bad. But when again i analyzed it in Faisla

kundali ,the position of Sun in 12th again prooves it as bad. So I decided it

Mars Bad overall.

> > With Regards

> > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > V.Shukla

> > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Vipin Shukla ji,

> > >

> > > I was wondering if you could explain as to how you reached at the

conclusion that Mars, in the 'faisala kundali' of Kulbir bhai will act as

malefic [bud].

> > >

> > > With respect and regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Varun ji,

> > > >

> > > > First of all kindly accept my gratitude to this group. I am

> > > > highly obliged and consider it my good luck that my kundali was used

> > > > in explaining 35 saala chakkar by pt. Bhooshanpriya ji and yet again

> > > > by Shukla ji in the concept of faisla kundali. Thanks for reimposing

> > > > confidence in me. It is my personal view that pt. Ji used the tool of

> > > > experimenting and observation in the evolution of lalkitab from 1939

> > > > to 1952. Ur goodself, Bhooshanpriya ji and Shukla ji are carrying

> > > > forward this legacy in the true spirit. Lalkitab community has great

> > > > expectations from all of you.

> > > >

> > > > Wish u all the best.

> > > >

> > > > Regards.

> > > >

> > > > Kulbir.

> > > >

> > > > On 7/15/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > >

> > > > > You know that the book has not explained why the varshphal planets of

houses

> > > > > 1 to 6 alone be plotted in the â€˜faisala kundaliâ€™ houses 1st to 6th

and

> > > > > the janma kundali planets placed from the 7th to 12th alone be plotted

in

> > > > > the â€˜faisala kundaliâ€™ from 7th to 12th.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have a hypothesis; some thing which lacks proof and can not be

called a

> > > > > theory because there is no documentary evidence to support.

> > > > >

> > > > > There could be two possible reasons:

> > > > >

> > > > > Houses 1st to 6th are known as adhrashta [not visible] houses where as

the

> > > > > houses from the 7th to 12th are known as drashta [visible] houses. The

Janma

> > > > > kundali is divided into two parts; the drashtardh [visible half or

baad ke

> > > > > ghar] and adrashtardh [invisible half or pahale ke ghar]

> > > > >

> > > > > Since the Janma kundali planets are permanently fixed at the time of

birth

> > > > > and will be known as such through out the life; the planets will stay

where

> > > > > they are this year, next year and all years to come. Therefore placing

them

> > > > > in the visible half makes sense; the known and defined planets in the

known

> > > > > half.

> > > > >

> > > > > Where as the varshphal planets keep changing their positions every

year and

> > > > > will fall under the category of unknown; therefore placing them in the

> > > > > invisible half, unknown half makes sense.

> > > > >

> > > > > The other reason appears to be that the planets of the first half [

pahale

> > > > > ke ghar] have an aspect on the planets of the second half [baad ke

ghar].

> > > > >

> > > > > Therefore plotting the varsh phal planets in the first half alone

could

> > > > > justify the change every year; new planets, new aspects, generating

new

> > > > > events. A new scenario every year could be enacted only if there are

new

> > > > > planets every time in the first half to throw an aspect on the Janma

kundali

> > > > > planets.

> > > > >

> > > > > Still a very pertinent and a very serious question remains

unexplained.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why plot only those planets which are in the later half of the janma

kundali

> > > > > every year? Similarly why plot only those planets which are in the 1st

half

> > > > > of the varshphal kundali?

> > > > >

> > > > > Suppose we have a janma kundali with Rahu in the 1st house and the

Ketu in

> > > > > the 7th; and all other planets between the 1st and the 6th house. In

that

> > > > > case no planet except ketu will get placed in the â€˜Faisala

kundaliâ€™

> > > > > every time. Or it could be the other way round; all planets between

the 7th

> > > > > house and the 1st house [zodiac counting]. In that case all planets

except

> > > > > Rahu will get placed in the â€˜Faisala kundaliâ€™ every time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Such janma kundalis are not rare. There could be a lot of kundalis

where the

> > > > > planets are placed on one side the Rahu-Ketu axis.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have no answers as yet, I have a hunch; just a loud thinking. I may

have

> > > > > to play with the idea for a while, call it experimenting if you like.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > > , kulbir bance

<kulbirbance@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Guruji, Kindly explain as to why varshphal planets are placed in

> > > > >> houses 1 to 6 and why lagan kundali planets are placed in 7 to 12

> > > > >> houses and dhoke ka grah. What was the need for this method. When

> > > > >> should it be applied. Regarding the predictive part i am very

> > > > >> surprised at a strange coincidence. Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji took up my

> > > > >> horoscope for explaining predictive part of 35 saala chakra. Whatever

> > > > >> he predicted for the next year like birth of son, purchase of car

such

> > > > >> events had already happened in the past year. So is the case with

this

> > > > >> analysis. Majority of events occurred last year, some are continuing.

> > > > >> I can't understand how my destiny got acclerated by one year. Pita ka

> > > > >> dharam bhai etc. - yes all these occurred. I will try to reply in

> > > > >> detail but at the momment i am dumbfounded at the question. How one

> > > > >> year got missing. Pt. Bhooshanpriya ji's prediction and now yours

have

> > > > >> put a stamp on it. Guruji, u can ask anything and will get an honest

> > > > >> reply. My life is like an open book and majority of active members of

> > > > >> lalkitab groups know about it. Regards. Kulbir.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> On 7/12/09, lalkitabee <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > > > >> > Res Guruvar & members

> > > > >> > Im analyzing the teva of Mr. Kulbir bains as per prepared Faislaa

> > > > >> > Kundali

> > > > >> > .Kulbir Ji ka teva hasb-e-jail hai

> > > > >> > Lagan = Meen,

> > > > >> > Sunï¿½ = khana 12

> > > > >> > Moon = khana 7

> > > > >> > Mars = khana 9

> > > > >> > Merc = Khana 11

> > > > >> > Jupï¿½ = Khana 9

> > > > >> > Venï¿½ = khana 10

> > > > >> > Satur= Khana 2

> > > > >> > Rahu = Khana 12

> > > > >> > Ketu = Khana 6

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Varshfal of 39 year:-

> > > > >> > Sunï¿½ = khana 7

> > > > >> > Moon = khana 10

> > > > >> > Mars = khana 6

> > > > >> > Merc = Khana 5

> > > > >> > Jupï¿½ = Khana 6

> > > > >> > Venï¿½ = khana 10

> > > > >> > Satur= Khana 4

> > > > >> > Rahu = Khana 7

> > > > >> > Ketu = Khana 2

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Mukammal Kundali:- Faisla Kundali:- as per the rule that planets of

> > > > >> > varshfal

> > > > >> > placed from 1 to 6th houses wil be placed as such in houses 1 to 6

in

> > > > >> > the

> > > > >> > faisla kundali,where as the planets placed from 7th to 12 in the

janm

> > > > >> > kundali will be placed as such from house 7 to 12 in the faisla

> > > > >> > kundali.Over

> > > > >> > n above dhokey ka grah for 39 th year will be placed in the house

no.10

> > > > >> > of

> > > > >> > the Faisla kundali.

> > > > >> > Khana 1 = -----

> > > > >> > Khana 2 = ketu

> > > > >> > Khana 3 = ven

> > > > >> > Khana 4 = saturn

> > > > >> > Khana 5 = Merc

> > > > >> > Khana 6 = Mars,Jupiter

> > > > >> > Khana 7 = Moon

> > > > >> > Khana 8 = -----

> > > > >> > Khana 9 = Mars, Jupiter

> > > > >> > Khana 10= Ven

> > > > >> > Khana 11= Merc

> > > > >> > Khana 12= Sun,Rahu

> > > > >> > Dhokey Ka Grah = Mars in Khana 10

> > > > >> > ï¿½Pujya Pandit Ji ke Mutabik agar dekhaa jaaye to Faisla Kundali

main

> > > > >> > Mangal

> > > > >> > 3 baar aaya dhokey ka hone ke karan.Shukkar, Budh aur brihaspat 2

baar

> > > > >> > aa

> > > > >> > baithey.

> > > > >> > ï¿½Janam Kundali main Mangal bad hee hai jo ki khana 9 main

Brihaspat ke

> > > > >> > saath

> > > > >> > baitha hai aur Faislaa kundali main bhi Mangal Bad hee sabit

hogaa.Is

> > > > >> > tarah

> > > > >> > Mangal aur Brihaspat ka mila milaya asar is saal ke halaat par

kabiz

> > > > >> > hogaa.

> > > > >> > ï¿½Kyonki umra ka 2nd 35 saalaa chakkar chal rahaa hai to koyee

shak

> > > > >> > nahi ki

> > > > >> > khana 9 ka Mangal Bad 28 ki umar ke baad sir uthaa chuka hogaa aur

35 ke

> > > > >> > baad Khana 9 se mutalka Jaddi jaydad ke jhagdey ki tayyari ho chuki

hogi

> > > > >> > jo

> > > > >> > ki khana 9 ke asar dikhne ka saboot hai. Faislaa Kundali main

Chacha

> > > > >> > shani

> > > > >> > ki nazar khaana 10 ke Shukkar par hai,aur Dhoke ka Mangal bad to

baithaa

> > > > >> > hee

> > > > >> > shukkar ke saath hai.Yaani Mangal Bad is varshfal ke dauraan

pareshani

> > > > >> > ka

> > > > >> > pehli vazah hoga aur is pareshani main baap ka dharam ka bhai jo ki

> > > > >> > bataur

> > > > >> > hamdard maloom ho saktaa hai lekin dhokey ka karan bhi vahi ho

saktaa

> > > > >> > hai,

> > > > >> > uski asaliyat kamo-besh jahir ho hee jayegi.Kyonki ho saktaa hai ki

vah

> > > > >> > hee

> > > > >> > us aurat ka salaah-kaar ho ,jo ki hamesha saji rehti ho ya fir khud

ke

> > > > >> > adhunik hone ki numaayeesh karti ho.

> > > > >> > ï¿½Shukkar kheti ki jameen bhi hai aur ek saji sajaayee

faishion-parast

> > > > >> > aurat

> > > > >> > bhi, Is Faislaa kundali ke mutabik dono ka hee vuzood hai, kheti ki

> > > > >> > jameen

> > > > >> > ka jhagda aur jhagdey ki vazah vo aurat jo ki mangal (Haqiqi khoon)

ki

> > > > >> > tabedaar hai.Is aurat ko na to tevey wale ki aurat se sarokaar

hogaa na

> > > > >> > hee

> > > > >> > tevey wale ki bhabhi se, lekin tevey waley ka shukkar 3 ka asar

uski

> > > > >> > aurat

> > > > >> > ke nek salaah ki shakal main saath hogaa khana 10 ka shukkar to

shani ki

> > > > >> > poori nazar main hai lekin pahunchï¿½ main nahi.

> > > > >> > ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Mangal ke dhokey ke asar se Bujurg bhi bari nahi

ho

> > > > >> > payengey aur

> > > > >> > khana 10 ke shukkar se be-ijjati ka shikaar bhi ho saktey hain.

Baap ka

> > > > >> > dharam ka bhai ya khud baap ka bhai agar is saal ke dauran shirkat

karey

> > > > >> > to

> > > > >> > ghar main na baithkar mandir ya gurdwarey main hee mangal ka

jhagdaa

> > > > >> > niptaane ki koshish ki ja sakti hai ,jahaan par brihaspat ko taqat

aur

> > > > >> > shukkar ko buddhi ,sanichchar ko asaliyat ka pataa chal jaayegaa

aur

> > > > >> > sukoon

> > > > >> > mil sakegaa.

> > > > >> > ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Budh 2 baar khana 5 main aur khana 11 main aa baitha

hai.

> > > > >> > Budh ka

> > > > >> > swabhaav chander ke jaisa hai, tevey wale ka chander khana 7 main

> > > > >> > mukammal

> > > > >> > hai aur yah jer-e-rihayeesh se aamdan ba-dastoor rakhegaa ,lekin

kyonki

> > > > >> > budh

> > > > >> > chander swabhaav hai isliye uska asar tevey waley ki maataa par

> > > > >> > dikhegaa,

> > > > >> > yaani ab yah budh tevey wale ki maataa ki khaas faiseley ke vaqt

chuppi

> > > > >> > ko

> > > > >> > janam degaa, maataa jo ki khud chander hai aur mukammal kundali

main

> > > > >> > khana 7

> > > > >> > main chander lukshami ka avtaar hai ,Isliye mataa kisi bhed bhari

chuppi

> > > > >> > ka

> > > > >> > shikaar rahegi, magar tevey waley ki aurat chup na rahey aur nek

salaaah

> > > > >> > dene wali sabit ho sakti hai, magar maataa ki khamoshi se tevey

wala

> > > > >> > apnaa

> > > > >> > sir dhun legaa.Magar aur kisi bhi tarikey se budh 5-11 ka mandaa

asar

> > > > >> > mumkin

> > > > >> > hai ki na ho.Iske alaawaa tevey waley ko jang-o-adal ke saamaan se

aur

> > > > >> > hathiyaar-band logo se doori banaa kar rakhnaa hee munaasib

> > > > >> > hogaa,Mehakmaa

> > > > >> > Kanoon (brihaspat) bhi dhokaa kha saktaa hai is mangal se.

> > > > >> > ï¿½ï¿½ Budh ka chander- swabhav ,mangal ka 3 baar aa jaanaa, guru

ka

> > > > >> > khana 6 aur

> > > > >> > 9 main hona aur shukkar ka khana 3,10 main honaa is baat ki taraf

bhi

> > > > >> > ishara

> > > > >> > kartaa hai ki jaddi makaan ki jamin main aise gumnaam gaddhey (jo

kisi

> > > > >> > na

> > > > >> > kisi tarah naali ka paani ki mikdaar par geeley rahaa kartey they

ab

> > > > >> > sookhey

> > > > >> > hon aur band hon) unhain ooper se khol diyaa jaaye.Varnaa mumkin

hai ki

> > > > >> > tevey waley ki aurat ko mahavaari ki taqleef ya safed paani ki

taqlif ho

> > > > >> > sakti hai.

> > > > >> > ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Baaki jis tarah se maine Faislaa kundali ka

> > > > >> > istemaal kiyaa hai uski

> > > > >> > asli kasauti Mr.Kulbir bains hain,Maine to Pujya pandit ji ki ek

> > > > >> > technique

> > > > >> > ko pehaliï¿½baar istemaal kiyaa hai.Aur is tevey main khaas baat

hai ki

> > > > >> > ek

> > > > >> > saath 4 grah 2 baar ya 3 baar aa nikaley hain.Isiliye is tevey ko

> > > > >> > buniyaad

> > > > >> > banaayaa gayaa hai.Aur agar mere analyses kahin bhi kasauti par

kharey

> > > > >> > nahi

> > > > >> > utartey hon to jo bhi vidwaan kisi aur tarikey se analyses ko

impliment

> > > > >> > kartey hon aurï¿½ unke mutabik khaas asar ya faislaaï¿½,is

> > > > >> > faislaaï¿½kundali ka

> > > > >> > liyaa ja saktaa ho to , apne vichaar jaroor rakhain, yahi gujarish

hai.

> > > > >> > With Regards

> > > > >> > Pt.Lalkitabee ( Private Counsellor )ï¿½V.Shukla

> > > > >> > Mb. 9812020001

> > > > >> >

> > > > >>

> > > > >> --

> > > > >> Sent from my mobile device

> > > > >>

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Sent from my mobile device

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 19, 2009

Respected Vipin ji,

An excellent explanation indeed!

But I do not think that Kulbir ji will be able to get the share of his ancestral

property this year [ 39th ].

The ancestral property is kept in the parcel house of the 8th, the coolies who

load the parcel on to the railway wagon belong to the 7th; the wagon is loaded

on the platform number 9th ; and is off loaded on the 10th ; finally it is

dispatched at the address of the 4th.

In this whole sequence if you notice the 8th house has no planet. Although Ketu

is placed in the 2nd but would be considered as null. Therefore the 8th house

will be considered as dormant. The parcel house is locked.

Unless efforts are made to awaken the 8th by establishing a planet in the 2nd, a

planet which should not be an enemy of planets placed in the 12th, till then

nothing is going to work.

Jupiter is the only planet which could be established in the 2nd. Firstly

Jupiter is a friend of the Sun and is neutral to rahu [ planets in the 12th] and

secondly it is placed in the 6th house from where the 2nd house is 9th i.e. in

its line of sight. Therefore planting a Peepal sapling in a temple compound

could be a good idea.

Just another small query.

What would be the role of Moon in the 7th ? After all that is the one who will

finally load or help in loading the parcel onto the wagon.

With respect and regards,

Varun Trivedi

, " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee wrote:

>

> Res Varun Ji

> khaas taur par Khana 9,10 ko dekhaa jaaye aur Hum grahon ki mutalkaa agar