Guest guest Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 Backtracking to June 20: At 11:10 AM 6/20/04 -0500, Cynthia wrote: >Last time I >just " knew " W was going to win. He never said that he wanted the >nomination, just said he " wanted to see if there was support... " There was >support and that set in motion (in my mind) that destiny was guiding him >along. I find that charts like his where all the planets are on one side of >the nodes are very destined in nature. It's difficult for anyone to go out >there and just see if there is support in a detached manner. But, that's >how I heard it and felt it and saw the support. > >This time it's a little different. I've said since last year >that W. would win if he did not withdraw...I did read that W. decided >to run again because he felt that is what God wants him to do. So he won't >be pulling out and I believe will win... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cynthia, are you still here with us? I've said before that if Kerry's birth time is correct, his 2003 solar return chart is very strong. But we have two solar return charts for Kerry because his birthday happens between the election and inauguration in 2005. His solar return chart in December of this year is quite different. I've been carefully going over the return charts, and have pretty well concluded that Kerry's powerful chart this year has to do with him being chosen as the democratic presidential candidate--a high honor with lots of national exposure and popularity. .....but...looking at other factors and additional return charts and transits, I now fear that you are right. It looks like Bush has the edge. Among other factors, there is a strong synchronization between Bush's solar return this year and the solar return for the country (July 4). For Bob: Alright, Bob, you progress lunars. Progress Bush's January 3, 2005 lunar to January 20, inauguration day, and let us know what you find. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 Hi Therese and all Yes, I'm still here. I have to take a break from y'all to make myself finish my July newsletter. I've looked at the SRs for both men. It seems that W has Uranus on the MC....and the W had that for the last election. There will be some sort of big change... correct? Certainly there will be a different cabinet, but I still wonder if it will be more. (not Moore <grins>) Kerry has Uranus trine the MC, but all the visible planets on the bottom of the chart, in fact in the first quadrant. That doesn't look so good for being in the public. Theresa Heinze-Kerry's chart suggests that her spouse will be very successful, but who knows what that means to her. He might get a big book deal. So, I'm confused. Intuitively, something still haunts me. i think, that assuming that Kerry ireally is born as sunrise as stated, that his 7th house is very strong. In fact, with Taurus there, Mars and Moon in the 7th, and Venus in the 12th in Libra I wonder if Hillary wil be his VP.. He is capable of working with a strong woman, but might not like the conditions she would offer. Still it would bring new life and publicity to his thus far subdued countenance. Still, meandering here, doesn't he seem awfully SAturnine to have the Sun on the ASC and SAturn in the 8th? Anyway, A quick look at Hillary's chart does nto give me confirmation, John Edwards has more planets in TAurus and so more likely to be VP....but it keeps nagging at me. Then, I find that the strongest indications for a terrorist attack of some sort is in November AFTER the election. I wonder what that might mean to whomever is elected and of course to that person's VP. Sorry, folks I'm not sure. I'll stand by my statement that if W is on the ticket he wins, but we'll need to see how he's doing after July. He can't be feeling too good with his transits. I wonder if the Dems and Reps use astrologers when I look at the timing for the conventions: Kerry's while VEnus is still in Taurus and in his 7th, Bush's as Jupiter enter Virgo and approaches his Moon Jupiter super fortunate combo. Thanks for listening, I've missed this list c Therese Hamilton [eastwest] Saturday, July 03, 2004 2:04 AM RE: Bush and 2004 (Cynthia) Backtracking to June 20: At 11:10 AM 6/20/04 -0500, Cynthia wrote: >Last time I >just " knew " W was going to win. He never said that he wanted the >nomination, just said he " wanted to see if there was support... " There was >support and that set in motion (in my mind) that destiny was guiding him >along. I find that charts like his where all the planets are on one side of >the nodes are very destined in nature. It's difficult for anyone to go out >there and just see if there is support in a detached manner. But, that's >how I heard it and felt it and saw the support. > >This time it's a little different. I've said since last year >that W. would win if he did not withdraw...I did read that W. decided >to run again because he felt that is what God wants him to do. So he won't >be pulling out and I believe will win... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cynthia, are you still here with us? I've said before that if Kerry's birth time is correct, his 2003 solar return chart is very strong. But we have two solar return charts for Kerry because his birthday happens between the election and inauguration in 2005. His solar return chart in December of this year is quite different. I've been carefully going over the return charts, and have pretty well concluded that Kerry's powerful chart this year has to do with him being chosen as the democratic presidential candidate--a high honor with lots of national exposure and popularity. ....but...looking at other factors and additional return charts and transits, I now fear that you are right. It looks like Bush has the edge. Among other factors, there is a strong synchronization between Bush's solar return this year and the solar return for the country (July 4). For Bob: Alright, Bob, you progress lunars. Progress Bush's January 3, 2005 lunar to January 20, inauguration day, and let us know what you find. Therese " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 Cynthia, Just in case we needed more signs of impending difficulties of high magnitude for Bush and the USA, look at the situation in secondary progressed latitudes in Bush's chart. There is an exact parallel between 2P Mars 0 16 and 2P Saturn 0 16. And they are both paralleled by tr Saturn 0 16. It could be only days away... Happy Birthday, Mr President. Chris - cynthianovak <cynthianovak Sunday, July 04, 2004 10:08 AM RE: RE: Bush and 2004 (Cynthia) > Hi Therese and all > > Yes, I'm still here. I have to take a break from y'all to make myself > finish my July newsletter. I've looked at the SRs for both men. It seems > that W has Uranus on the MC....and the W had that for the last election. > There will be some sort of big change... correct? Certainly there will be a > different cabinet, but I still wonder if it will be more. (not Moore > <grins>) > > Kerry has Uranus trine the MC, but all the visible planets on the bottom of > the chart, in fact in the first quadrant. That doesn't look so good for > being in the public. Theresa Heinze-Kerry's chart suggests that her spouse > will be very successful, but who knows what that means to her. He might get > a big book deal. So, I'm confused. > > Intuitively, something still haunts me. i think, that assuming that Kerry > ireally is born as sunrise as stated, that his 7th house is very strong. In > fact, with Taurus there, Mars and Moon in the 7th, and Venus in the 12th in > Libra I wonder if Hillary wil be his VP.. He is capable of working with a > strong woman, but might not like the conditions she would offer. Still it > would bring new life and publicity to his thus far subdued countenance. > Still, meandering here, doesn't he seem awfully SAturnine to have the Sun on > the ASC and SAturn in the 8th? > > Anyway, A quick look at Hillary's chart does nto give me confirmation, John > Edwards has more planets in TAurus and so more likely to be VP....but it > keeps nagging at me. > > Then, I find that the strongest indications for a terrorist attack of some > sort is in November AFTER the election. I wonder what that might mean to > whomever is elected and of course to that person's VP. > > Sorry, folks I'm not sure. I'll stand by my statement that if W is on the > ticket he wins, but we'll need to see how he's doing after July. He can't > be feeling too good with his transits. > > I wonder if the Dems and Reps use astrologers when I look at the timing for > the conventions: Kerry's while VEnus is still in Taurus and in his 7th, > Bush's as Jupiter enter Virgo and approaches his Moon Jupiter super > fortunate combo. > > Thanks for listening, I've missed this list > c > > > Therese Hamilton [eastwest] > Saturday, July 03, 2004 2:04 AM > > RE: Bush and 2004 (Cynthia) > > > Backtracking to June 20: > > At 11:10 AM 6/20/04 -0500, Cynthia wrote: > >Last time I > >just " knew " W was going to win. He never said that he wanted the > >nomination, just said he " wanted to see if there was support... " There > was > >support and that set in motion (in my mind) that destiny was guiding him > >along. I find that charts like his where all the planets are on one side > of > >the nodes are very destined in nature. It's difficult for anyone to go > out > >there and just see if there is support in a detached manner. But, that's > >how I heard it and felt it and saw the support. > > > >This time it's a little different. I've said since last year > >that W. would win if he did not withdraw...I did read that W. decided > >to run again because he felt that is what God wants him to do. So he > won't > >be pulling out and I believe will win... > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Cynthia, are you still here with us? I've said before that if Kerry's > birth > time is correct, his 2003 solar return chart is very strong. But we have > two solar return charts for Kerry because his birthday happens between the > election and inauguration in 2005. His solar return chart in December of > this year is quite different. I've been carefully going over the return > charts, and have pretty well concluded that Kerry's powerful chart this > year has to do with him being chosen as the democratic presidential > candidate--a high honor with lots of national exposure and popularity. > > ....but...looking at other factors and additional return charts and > transits, I now fear that you are right. It looks like Bush has the edge. > > Among other factors, there is a strong synchronization between Bush's > solar > return this year and the solar return for the country (July 4). > > For Bob: Alright, Bob, you progress lunars. Progress Bush's January 3, > 2005 > lunar to January 20, inauguration day, and let us know what you find. > > Therese > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 Chris... What does it mean to have conjunct secondary progressed latitudes? Do you look at latitudes similar to longitudes? Is it an active or passive configuration? Does it mean that he's(Dubya) gonna work harder than usual? I have a sense for declinations but nothing for latitudes.... Jivio Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote: Cynthia, Just in case we needed more signs of impending difficulties of high magnitude for Bush and the USA, look at the situation in secondary progressed latitudes in Bush's chart. There is an exact parallel between 2P Mars 0 16 and 2P Saturn 0 16. And they are both paralleled by tr Saturn 0 16. It could be only days away... Happy Birthday, Mr President. Chris - cynthianovak To: Sunday, July 04, 2004 10:08 AM RE: RE: Bush and 2004 (Cynthia) > Hi Therese and all > > Yes, I'm still here. I have to take a break from y'all to make myself > finish my July newsletter. I've looked at the SRs for both men. It seems > that W has Uranus on the MC....and the W had that for the last election. > There will be some sort of big change... correct? Certainly there will be a > different cabinet, but I still wonder if it will be more. (not Moore > ) > > Kerry has Uranus trine the MC, but all the visible planets on the bottom of > the chart, in fact in the first quadrant. That doesn't look so good for > being in the public. Theresa Heinze-Kerry's chart suggests that her spouse > will be very successful, but who knows what that means to her. He might get > a big book deal. So, I'm confused. > > Intuitively, something still haunts me. i think, that assuming that Kerry > ireally is born as sunrise as stated, that his 7th house is very strong. In > fact, with Taurus there, Mars and Moon in the 7th, and Venus in the 12th in > Libra I wonder if Hillary wil be his VP.. He is capable of working with a > strong woman, but might not like the conditions she would offer. Still it > would bring new life and publicity to his thus far subdued countenance. > Still, meandering here, doesn't he seem awfully SAturnine to have the Sun on > the ASC and SAturn in the 8th? > > Anyway, A quick look at Hillary's chart does nto give me confirmation, John > Edwards has more planets in TAurus and so more likely to be VP....but it > keeps nagging at me. > > Then, I find that the strongest indications for a terrorist attack of some > sort is in November AFTER the election. I wonder what that might mean to > whomever is elected and of course to that person's VP. > > Sorry, folks I'm not sure. I'll stand by my statement that if W is on the > ticket he wins, but we'll need to see how he's doing after July. He can't > be feeling too good with his transits. > > I wonder if the Dems and Reps use astrologers when I look at the timing for > the conventions: Kerry's while VEnus is still in Taurus and in his 7th, > Bush's as Jupiter enter Virgo and approaches his Moon Jupiter super > fortunate combo. > > Thanks for listening, I've missed this list > c > > > Therese Hamilton [eastwest] > Saturday, July 03, 2004 2:04 AM > > RE: Bush and 2004 (Cynthia) > > > Backtracking to June 20: > > At 11:10 AM 6/20/04 -0500, Cynthia wrote: > >Last time I > >just " knew " W was going to win. He never said that he wanted the > >nomination, just said he " wanted to see if there was support... " There > was > >support and that set in motion (in my mind) that destiny was guiding him > >along. I find that charts like his where all the planets are on one side > of > >the nodes are very destined in nature. It's difficult for anyone to go > out > >there and just see if there is support in a detached manner. But, that's > >how I heard it and felt it and saw the support. > > > >This time it's a little different. I've said since last year > >that W. would win if he did not withdraw...I did read that W. decided > >to run again because he felt that is what God wants him to do. So he > won't > >be pulling out and I believe will win... > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Cynthia, are you still here with us? I've said before that if Kerry's > birth > time is correct, his 2003 solar return chart is very strong. But we have > two solar return charts for Kerry because his birthday happens between the > election and inauguration in 2005. His solar return chart in December of > this year is quite different. I've been carefully going over the return > charts, and have pretty well concluded that Kerry's powerful chart this > year has to do with him being chosen as the democratic presidential > candidate--a high honor with lots of national exposure and popularity. > > ....but...looking at other factors and additional return charts and > transits, I now fear that you are right. It looks like Bush has the edge. > > Among other factors, there is a strong synchronization between Bush's > solar > return this year and the solar return for the country (July 4). > > For Bob: Alright, Bob, you progress lunars. Progress Bush's January 3, > 2005 > lunar to January 20, inauguration day, and let us know what you find. > > Therese > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 Jivio Yes I treat them the same at declinations and the same as longitudes. It's all the same -- just another way of looking at things. I've been spending more time with them in the past year and have been pleasantly surprised by how clearly they can work -- natally, by transit, and by progressions. Yes, it could mean that Bush will be up against more hard work or some other benign situation, but being a pessimist, I like to see doom and gloom everywhere! :-) The added dimension of the Saturn transit to the progressed conjunction makes the benign reading more difficult to believe. And you have to factor in what is going on longitudinally as well: Saturn with Sun, squaring Moon and whatever other measurements one uses. Chris - " Juan Oliver " <jivio Monday, July 05, 2004 10:56 PM Re: RE: Bush and 2004 (Cynthia) > Chris... > > What does it mean to have conjunct secondary progressed latitudes? Do you look at latitudes similar to longitudes? Is it an active or passive configuration? Does it mean that he's(Dubya) gonna work harder than usual? I have a sense for declinations but nothing for latitudes.... > > Jivio > > Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote: > Cynthia, > > Just in case we needed more signs of impending difficulties of high > magnitude for Bush and the USA, look at the situation in secondary > progressed latitudes in Bush's chart. There is an exact parallel between 2P > Mars 0 16 and 2P Saturn 0 16. And they are both paralleled by tr Saturn 0 > 16. It could be only days away... > > Happy Birthday, Mr President. > > Chris > > - > cynthianovak > To: > Sunday, July 04, 2004 10:08 AM > RE: RE: Bush and 2004 (Cynthia) > > > > Hi Therese and all > > > > Yes, I'm still here. I have to take a break from y'all to make myself > > finish my July newsletter. I've looked at the SRs for both men. It seems > > that W has Uranus on the MC....and the W had that for the last election. > > There will be some sort of big change... correct? Certainly there will be > a > > different cabinet, but I still wonder if it will be more. (not Moore > > ) > > > > Kerry has Uranus trine the MC, but all the visible planets on the bottom > of > > the chart, in fact in the first quadrant. That doesn't look so good for > > being in the public. Theresa Heinze-Kerry's chart suggests that her > spouse > > will be very successful, but who knows what that means to her. He might > get > > a big book deal. So, I'm confused. > > > > Intuitively, something still haunts me. i think, that assuming that Kerry > > ireally is born as sunrise as stated, that his 7th house is very strong. > In > > fact, with Taurus there, Mars and Moon in the 7th, and Venus in the 12th > in > > Libra I wonder if Hillary wil be his VP.. He is capable of working with a > > strong woman, but might not like the conditions she would offer. Still it > > would bring new life and publicity to his thus far subdued countenance. > > Still, meandering here, doesn't he seem awfully SAturnine to have the Sun > on > > the ASC and SAturn in the 8th? > > > > Anyway, A quick look at Hillary's chart does nto give me confirmation, > John > > Edwards has more planets in TAurus and so more likely to be VP....but it > > keeps nagging at me. > > > > Then, I find that the strongest indications for a terrorist attack of some > > sort is in November AFTER the election. I wonder what that might mean to > > whomever is elected and of course to that person's VP. > > > > Sorry, folks I'm not sure. I'll stand by my statement that if W is on the > > ticket he wins, but we'll need to see how he's doing after July. He can't > > be feeling too good with his transits. > > > > I wonder if the Dems and Reps use astrologers when I look at the timing > for > > the conventions: Kerry's while VEnus is still in Taurus and in his 7th, > > Bush's as Jupiter enter Virgo and approaches his Moon Jupiter super > > fortunate combo. > > > > Thanks for listening, I've missed this list > > c > > > > > > Therese Hamilton [eastwest] > > Saturday, July 03, 2004 2:04 AM > > > > RE: Bush and 2004 (Cynthia) > > > > > > Backtracking to June 20: > > > > At 11:10 AM 6/20/04 -0500, Cynthia wrote: > > >Last time I > > >just " knew " W was going to win. He never said that he wanted the > > >nomination, just said he " wanted to see if there was support... " There > > was > > >support and that set in motion (in my mind) that destiny was guiding > him > > >along. I find that charts like his where all the planets are on one > side > > of > > >the nodes are very destined in nature. It's difficult for anyone to go > > out > > >there and just see if there is support in a detached manner. But, > that's > > >how I heard it and felt it and saw the support. > > > > > >This time it's a little different. I've said since last year > > >that W. would win if he did not withdraw...I did read that W. decided > > >to run again because he felt that is what God wants him to do. So he > > won't > > >be pulling out and I believe will win... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Cynthia, are you still here with us? I've said before that if Kerry's > > birth > > time is correct, his 2003 solar return chart is very strong. But we have > > two solar return charts for Kerry because his birthday happens between > the > > election and inauguration in 2005. His solar return chart in December of > > this year is quite different. I've been carefully going over the return > > charts, and have pretty well concluded that Kerry's powerful chart this > > year has to do with him being chosen as the democratic presidential > > candidate--a high honor with lots of national exposure and popularity. > > > > ....but...looking at other factors and additional return charts and > > transits, I now fear that you are right. It looks like Bush has the > edge. > > > > Among other factors, there is a strong synchronization between Bush's > > solar > > return this year and the solar return for the country (July 4). > > > > For Bob: Alright, Bob, you progress lunars. Progress Bush's January 3, > > 2005 > > lunar to January 20, inauguration day, and let us know what you find. > > > > Therese > > > > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > > > Post message: > > Subscribe: - > > Un: - > > List owner: -owner > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > / > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2004 Report Share Posted July 7, 2004 Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote: Jivio Yes I treat them the same at declinations and the same as longitudes. It's all the same -- just another way of looking at things. I've been spending more time with them in the past year and have been pleasantly surprised by how clearly they can work -- natally, by transit, and by progressions. Chris... Latitudes the same as declinations annnnnd longitudes surprises me... I wouldn't think them the same...however if it works for you...can understand why you suggest them.... I'm looking to the 11th and 12th for strong declination activity with the 3M's... Moon, Mercury & Mars all conj. Yes, it could mean that Bush will be up against more hard work or some other benign situation, but being a pessimist, I like to see doom and gloom everywhere! :-) everywhere? cmon Chris... are you still reeling from that drubbing the Pistons gave the LA LA LAKERS? The added dimension of the Saturn transit to the progressed conjunction makes the benign reading more difficult to believe. And you have to factor in what is going on longitudinally as well: Saturn with Sun, squaring Moon and whatever other measurements one uses. Chris There is some " stuff " coming up..... Dubya's Solar Return for the White House... Transits to both his natal & natal progressed charts... what gets me the most though is transiting Neptune in opposition to his progressed Pluto. It is a configuration which just about everybody in their late 50's is experiencing... It is a diffusion of power/control... also the projection (whether it exists or not) of being in power/control. Having Saturn interplaying here may be a Godsend... The need to engage in structured tones is essential if he is to survive the challenge to his questionable decisions. It may be time for him(Dubya) to release some of the Guantanamo prisoners and to suggest amending the Patriot Act... I personally think that holding prisoners without allowing them due process of law is totally against everything American.... I don't think I'm alone and unless he(Dubya) changes his perspective he will lose necessary support, Jivio - " Juan Oliver " To: Monday, July 05, 2004 10:56 PM Re: RE: Bush and 2004 (Cynthia) > Chris... > > What does it mean to have conjunct secondary progressed latitudes? Do you look at latitudes similar to longitudes? Is it an active or passive configuration? Does it mean that he's(Dubya) gonna work harder than usual? I have a sense for declinations but nothing for latitudes.... > > Jivio > > Christopher Kevill wrote: > Cynthia, > > Just in case we needed more signs of impending difficulties of high > magnitude for Bush and the USA, look at the situation in secondary > progressed latitudes in Bush's chart. There is an exact parallel between 2P > Mars 0 16 and 2P Saturn 0 16. And they are both paralleled by tr Saturn 0 > 16. It could be only days away... > > Happy Birthday, Mr President. > > Chris > > - > cynthianovak > To: > Sunday, July 04, 2004 10:08 AM > RE: RE: Bush and 2004 (Cynthia) > > > > Hi Therese and all > > > > Yes, I'm still here. I have to take a break from y'all to make myself > > finish my July newsletter. I've looked at the SRs for both men. It seems > > that W has Uranus on the MC....and the W had that for the last election. > > There will be some sort of big change... correct? Certainly there will be > a > > different cabinet, but I still wonder if it will be more. (not Moore > > ) > > > > Kerry has Uranus trine the MC, but all the visible planets on the bottom > of > > the chart, in fact in the first quadrant. That doesn't look so good for > > being in the public. Theresa Heinze-Kerry's chart suggests that her > spouse > > will be very successful, but who knows what that means to her. He might > get > > a big book deal. So, I'm confused. > > > > Intuitively, something still haunts me. i think, that assuming that Kerry > > ireally is born as sunrise as stated, that his 7th house is very strong. > In > > fact, with Taurus there, Mars and Moon in the 7th, and Venus in the 12th > in > > Libra I wonder if Hillary wil be his VP.. He is capable of working with a > > strong woman, but might not like the conditions she would offer. Still it > > would bring new life and publicity to his thus far subdued countenance. > > Still, meandering here, doesn't he seem awfully SAturnine to have the Sun > on > > the ASC and SAturn in the 8th? > > > > Anyway, A quick look at Hillary's chart does nto give me confirmation, > John > > Edwards has more planets in TAurus and so more likely to be VP....but it > > keeps nagging at me. > > > > Then, I find that the strongest indications for a terrorist attack of some > > sort is in November AFTER the election. I wonder what that might mean to > > whomever is elected and of course to that person's VP. > > > > Sorry, folks I'm not sure. I'll stand by my statement that if W is on the > > ticket he wins, but we'll need to see how he's doing after July. He can't > > be feeling too good with his transits. > > > > I wonder if the Dems and Reps use astrologers when I look at the timing > for > > the conventions: Kerry's while VEnus is still in Taurus and in his 7th, > > Bush's as Jupiter enter Virgo and approaches his Moon Jupiter super > > fortunate combo. > > > > Thanks for listening, I've missed this list > > c > > > > > > Therese Hamilton [eastwest] > > Saturday, July 03, 2004 2:04 AM > > > > RE: Bush and 2004 (Cynthia) > > > > > > Backtracking to June 20: > > > > At 11:10 AM 6/20/04 -0500, Cynthia wrote: > > >Last time I > > >just " knew " W was going to win. He never said that he wanted the > > >nomination, just said he " wanted to see if there was support... " There > > was > > >support and that set in motion (in my mind) that destiny was guiding > him > > >along. I find that charts like his where all the planets are on one > side > > of > > >the nodes are very destined in nature. It's difficult for anyone to go > > out > > >there and just see if there is support in a detached manner. But, > that's > > >how I heard it and felt it and saw the support. > > > > > >This time it's a little different. I've said since last year > > >that W. would win if he did not withdraw...I did read that W. decided > > >to run again because he felt that is what God wants him to do. So he > > won't > > >be pulling out and I believe will win... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Cynthia, are you still here with us? I've said before that if Kerry's > > birth > > time is correct, his 2003 solar return chart is very strong. But we have > > two solar return charts for Kerry because his birthday happens between > the > > election and inauguration in 2005. His solar return chart in December of > > this year is quite different. I've been carefully going over the return > > charts, and have pretty well concluded that Kerry's powerful chart this > > year has to do with him being chosen as the democratic presidential > > candidate--a high honor with lots of national exposure and popularity. > > > > ....but...looking at other factors and additional return charts and > > transits, I now fear that you are right. It looks like Bush has the > edge. > > > > Among other factors, there is a strong synchronization between Bush's > > solar > > return this year and the solar return for the country (July 4). > > > > For Bob: Alright, Bob, you progress lunars. Progress Bush's January 3, > > 2005 > > lunar to January 20, inauguration day, and let us know what you find. > > > > Therese > > > > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > > > Post message: > > Subscribe: - > > Un: - > > List owner: -owner > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > / > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 - " Juan Oliver " <jivio Tuesday, July 06, 2004 11:26 PM Re: RE: Bush and 2004 (Cynthia) > > > Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote: > Jivio > > Yes I treat them the same at declinations and the same as longitudes. It's > all the same -- just another way of looking at things. I've been spending > more time with them in the past year and have been pleasantly surprised by > how clearly they can work -- natally, by transit, and by progressions. > > > > Chris... > > Latitudes the same as declinations annnnnd longitudes surprises me... > > I wouldn't think them the same...however if it works for you...can understand why you suggest them.... I'm looking to the 11th and 12th for strong declination activity with the 3M's... Moon, Mercury & Mars all conj. OK. Like longitudes, they may have not have to be all lined up for things to happen-- just easier to see. When planets line up things rarely happen in fact -- I think it's a trick the universe plays on inexperienced bug-eyed astrologers. I've fallen for it myself more times than I care to admit publically. 1962 in Capricorn, or what about 1981 (?) : no big earthquake in California despite massive alignment. They can be related through midpoints as well or whatever other measurements one uses. > > > > > > Yes, it could mean that Bush will be up against more hard work or some other > benign situation, but being a pessimist, I like to see doom and gloom > everywhere! :-) > > everywhere? cmon Chris... are you still reeling from that drubbing the Pistons gave the LA LA LAKERS? > Not a hoops man. Stunned that France got the boot so early from the Euro cup though... > > > The added dimension of the Saturn transit to the progressed conjunction > makes the benign reading more difficult to believe. And you have to factor > in what is going on longitudinally as well: Saturn with Sun, squaring Moon > and whatever other measurements one uses. > > Chris > > > There is some " stuff " coming up..... > > Dubya's Solar Return for the White House... Transits to both his natal & natal progressed charts... > > what gets me the most though is transiting Neptune in opposition to his progressed Pluto. It is a configuration which just about everybody in their late 50's is experiencing... It is a diffusion of power/control... also the projection (whether it exists or not) of being in power/control. Having Saturn interplaying here may be a Godsend... The need to engage in structured tones is essential if he is to survive the challenge to his questionable decisions. I'm not really an advocate for these outer-outer planet hits. Unless they're angular natally or in the progressed chart, they likely won't add up to much IMO. > > It may be time for him(Dubya) to release some of the Guantanamo prisoners and to suggest amending the Patriot Act... I personally think that holding prisoners without allowing them due process of law is totally against everything American.... I don't think I'm alone and unless he(Dubya) changes his perspective he will lose necessary support, > I agree that those moves are doable and would be welcomed by the cowed middle. He will look like a bigger man for accepting the error of his ways, etc. Or replace Cheney on the ticket. Getting somebody like Guilani would be a huge shot in the arm. But I don't see anything that favourable happening this month and if he was going to replace Cheney he would pretty much have to do it soon. When is the convention? Chris > Jivio - > " Juan Oliver " > To: > Monday, July 05, 2004 10:56 PM > Re: RE: Bush and 2004 (Cynthia) > > > > Chris... > > > > What does it mean to have conjunct secondary progressed latitudes? Do you > look at latitudes similar to longitudes? Is it an active or passive > configuration? Does it mean that he's(Dubya) gonna work harder than usual? I > have a sense for declinations but nothing for latitudes.... > > > > Jivio > > > > Christopher Kevill wrote: > > Cynthia, > > > > Just in case we needed more signs of impending difficulties of high > > magnitude for Bush and the USA, look at the situation in secondary > > progressed latitudes in Bush's chart. There is an exact parallel between > 2P > > Mars 0 16 and 2P Saturn 0 16. And they are both paralleled by tr Saturn 0 > > 16. It could be only days away... > > > > Happy Birthday, Mr President. > > > > Chris > > > > - > > cynthianovak > > To: > > Sunday, July 04, 2004 10:08 AM > > RE: RE: Bush and 2004 (Cynthia) > > > > > > > Hi Therese and all > > > > > > Yes, I'm still here. I have to take a break from y'all to make myself > > > finish my July newsletter. I've looked at the SRs for both men. It seems > > > that W has Uranus on the MC....and the W had that for the last election. > > > There will be some sort of big change... correct? Certainly there will > be > > a > > > different cabinet, but I still wonder if it will be more. (not Moore > > > ) > > > > > > Kerry has Uranus trine the MC, but all the visible planets on the bottom > > of > > > the chart, in fact in the first quadrant. That doesn't look so good for > > > being in the public. Theresa Heinze-Kerry's chart suggests that her > > spouse > > > will be very successful, but who knows what that means to her. He might > > get > > > a big book deal. So, I'm confused. > > > > > > Intuitively, something still haunts me. i think, that assuming that > Kerry > > > ireally is born as sunrise as stated, that his 7th house is very strong. > > In > > > fact, with Taurus there, Mars and Moon in the 7th, and Venus in the 12th > > in > > > Libra I wonder if Hillary wil be his VP.. He is capable of working with > a > > > strong woman, but might not like the conditions she would offer. Still > it > > > would bring new life and publicity to his thus far subdued countenance. > > > Still, meandering here, doesn't he seem awfully SAturnine to have the > Sun > > on > > > the ASC and SAturn in the 8th? > > > > > > Anyway, A quick look at Hillary's chart does nto give me confirmation, > > John > > > Edwards has more planets in TAurus and so more likely to be VP....but it > > > keeps nagging at me. > > > > > > Then, I find that the strongest indications for a terrorist attack of > some > > > sort is in November AFTER the election. I wonder what that might mean to > > > whomever is elected and of course to that person's VP. > > > > > > Sorry, folks I'm not sure. I'll stand by my statement that if W is on > the > > > ticket he wins, but we'll need to see how he's doing after July. He > can't > > > be feeling too good with his transits. > > > > > > I wonder if the Dems and Reps use astrologers when I look at the timing > > for > > > the conventions: Kerry's while VEnus is still in Taurus and in his 7th, > > > Bush's as Jupiter enter Virgo and approaches his Moon Jupiter super > > > fortunate combo. > > > > > > Thanks for listening, I've missed this list > > > c > > > > > > > > > Therese Hamilton [eastwest] > > > Saturday, July 03, 2004 2:04 AM > > > > > > RE: Bush and 2004 (Cynthia) > > > > > > > > > Backtracking to June 20: > > > > > > At 11:10 AM 6/20/04 -0500, Cynthia wrote: > > > >Last time I > > > >just " knew " W was going to win. He never said that he wanted the > > > >nomination, just said he " wanted to see if there was support... " There > > > was > > > >support and that set in motion (in my mind) that destiny was guiding > > him > > > >along. I find that charts like his where all the planets are on one > > side > > > of > > > >the nodes are very destined in nature. It's difficult for anyone to go > > > out > > > >there and just see if there is support in a detached manner. But, > > that's > > > >how I heard it and felt it and saw the support. > > > > > > > >This time it's a little different. I've said since last year > > > >that W. would win if he did not withdraw...I did read that W. decided > > > >to run again because he felt that is what God wants him to do. So he > > > won't > > > >be pulling out and I believe will win... > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > Cynthia, are you still here with us? I've said before that if Kerry's > > > birth > > > time is correct, his 2003 solar return chart is very strong. But we have > > > two solar return charts for Kerry because his birthday happens between > > the > > > election and inauguration in 2005. His solar return chart in December of > > > this year is quite different. I've been carefully going over the return > > > charts, and have pretty well concluded that Kerry's powerful chart this > > > year has to do with him being chosen as the democratic presidential > > > candidate--a high honor with lots of national exposure and popularity. > > > > > > ....but...looking at other factors and additional return charts and > > > transits, I now fear that you are right. It looks like Bush has the > > edge. > > > > > > Among other factors, there is a strong synchronization between Bush's > > > solar > > > return this year and the solar return for the country (July 4). > > > > > > For Bob: Alright, Bob, you progress lunars. Progress Bush's January 3, > > > 2005 > > > lunar to January 20, inauguration day, and let us know what you find. > > > > > > Therese > > > > > > > > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > > > > > Post message: > > > Subscribe: - > > > Un: - > > > List owner: -owner > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > / > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote: - " Juan Oliver " To: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 11:26 PM Re: RE: Bush and 2004 (Cynthia) > > > Christopher Kevill wrote: > Jivio > > Yes I treat them the same at declinations and the same as longitudes. It's > all the same -- just another way of looking at things. I've been spending > more time with them in the past year and have been pleasantly surprised by > how clearly they can work -- natally, by transit, and by progressions. > > > > Chris... > > Latitudes the same as declinations annnnnd longitudes surprises me... > > I wouldn't think them the same...however if it works for you...can understand why you suggest them.... I'm looking to the 11th and 12th for strong declination activity with the 3M's... Moon, Mercury & Mars all conj. OK. Like longitudes, they may have not have to be all lined up for things to happen-- just easier to see. When planets line up things rarely happen in fact -- I think it's a trick the universe plays on inexperienced bug-eyed astrologers. Chris... " Rarely happen " in a span of two days when one of the lights is involved, I think not... besides the inexperienced bug-eyed astrologer when looking at the 3 M's Moon, Mars and Mercury recognizes the existence of force, motion and exposure residing on a parallel. How that manifests is astro logically understanding where and how these energies will be expressed I've fallen for it myself more times than I care to admit publically. 1962 in Capricorn, or what about 1981 (?) : no big earthquake in California despite massive alignment. Apparently you did not understand the road-map. You might look at the same charts today and visualize a completely different reality. They can be related through midpoints as well or whatever other measurements one uses. Understanding Conjunctions is a time honored tradition...... However you want to look at it... Whether we are discussing latitudes, declinations or longitude of planets. > > > > > > Yes, it could mean that Bush will be up against more hard work or some other > benign situation, but being a pessimist, I like to see doom and gloom > everywhere! :-) > > everywhere? cmon Chris... are you still reeling from that drubbing the Pistons gave the LA LA LAKERS? > Not a hoops man. Stunned that France got the boot so early from the Euro cup though... I was pulling for the Croatians.... Gotta Give the Greeks Credit.... > > > The added dimension of the Saturn transit to the progressed conjunction > makes the benign reading more difficult to believe. And you have to factor > in what is going on longitudinally as well: Saturn with Sun, squaring Moon > and whatever other measurements one uses. > > Chris > > > There is some " stuff " coming up..... > > Dubya's Solar Return for the White House... Transits to both his natal & natal progressed charts... > > what gets me the most though is transiting Neptune in opposition to his progressed Pluto. It is a configuration which just about everybody in their late 50's is experiencing... It is a diffusion of power/control... also the projection (whether it exists or not) of being in power/control. Having Saturn inter-playing here may be a Godsend... The need to engage in structured tones is essential if he is to survive the challenge to his questionable decisions. I'm not really an advocate for these outer-outer planet hits. Unless they're angular natally or in the progressed chart, they likely won't add up to much IMO. IMO...it is the outer planetary patterns that determine how the faster moving bodies (for the most part) will express themselves. > > It may be time for him(Dubya) to release some of the Guantanamo prisoners and to suggest amending the Patriot Act... I personally think that holding prisoners without allowing them due process of law is totally against everything American.... I don't think I'm alone and unless he(Dubya) changes his perspective he will lose necessary support, > I agree that those moves are doable and would be welcomed by the cowed middle. He will look like a bigger man for accepting the error of his ways, etc. Or replace Chaney on the ticket. Getting somebody like Guilani would be a huge shot in the arm. But I don't see anything that favorable happening this month and if he was going to replace Chaney he would pretty much have to do it soon. When is the convention? Chris The Elephants of the GOP gather in NYC at the end of August. That would turn the advantage to Bush if Guiliani were to be his running mate...Thats a great call.... His(Dubya) friendship with Chaney may be what he is laboring with... Guiliani of course is not what you would call diplomatic... and being a new yorker carries only so-so weight.... Jivio Bush does not have the stars on his side this time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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