Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Respected Sirs, Continueing the thread, I would like to ask why a flute was advised for the upaya and not a mitti ki kuji ? Sincerely, Girish Raheja , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Pradeep ji, > > Mars in house # 1 and the saturn in house #7 : Saturn would be > considered as awake; but the saturn would not be considered > necessarily as afflicted because the Mars does not consider Saturn as > its enemy. Therefore the aspect of Mars should not be malefic. > > In case the results of the Saturn are not as good as that of an > exalted planet, then the upaya # 2 can be done assuming that the > maleficity of the Saturn could be due to other reasons. > > Yes the upaya can be done in both the cases, Janma kundali and annual > jundali. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > , pradeep mishra > <pm_pmishra@> wrote: > > > > > > > > - > > Subject:RE: Lal Kitab Discussion Group Re: Upaya for Saturn in the > 7th house / HS Gill > > Date:Sat, 26 Jan 2008 7:15:41 > > pm_pmishra@ <pm_pmishra@> > > To:varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > If Mars is 1 H and Sar in 7H, hence sar is awake and afflicted. > > A. Can one do the number 2 upaya. > > B. This upaya can be done for horoscope or Annual chart or both. > > > > With Regards, > > Pradeep Mishra > > > > varun_trvd wrote: > > > Respected Gill ji, > > > These two upaya are for two different situations, and serve > different > > > purposes; in other words the aim of these two upaya is different. > > > Saturn placed in the 7th house is considered as exalted. Being > exalted > > > it should be giving good results. If it doesn’t give good > results than > > > there could be two reasons for it. It is either dormant [ soya > hua ] or > > > is afflicted by some planet. > > > It will be dormant if there is no planet in the 1st house. On the > > > other hand a planet from the 1st house can afflict it. Therefore, > in > > > the first case the upaya will have to be to awaken the Saturn, > where as > > > in the second case the malefic part of the Saturn, caused by > > > affliction, will have to be destroyed. > > > Mars awakens the 1st house; therefore keeping a little honey at > home > > > will awaken the Saturn in the 7th house. In case the Saturn is > > > afflicted then burying a flute [mercury] filled with little khand > [ > > > country sugar ] representing Mars will be the upaya. Mars + > mercury > > > form the Saturn malefic or Rahu swabhav. Thus by burying a flute > filled > > > with khand will result in destroying the malefic component of the > > > Saturn. > > > I hope to hear from other experts if they have any other > explanation > > > for these two upaya. > > > Regards, > > > Varun Trivedi > > > , " gill_hs2005 " > > > <gill_hs2005@ ...> wrote: > > >> > > >> Sirs, > > >> > > >> For Saturn placed in the 7th house the Lal Kitab suggests two > > > different > > >> upaya. One is to keep in the house a little honey if the first > house > > > is > > >> unoccupied and the other is to bury a black flute filled with > khand [ > > >> sugar] if the 1st house is occupied. > > >> Now why these two, entirely different, upaya for the same > planet in > > >> the same house? > > >> What could be the logic behind it all? > > >> > > >> Sincerely, > > >> > > >> HS Gill > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > ______________ > > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > ______________ > > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > > http://www./r/hs > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Respected Raheja ji, A flute is of bamboo [ mercury], it is a musical instrument [ mercury] it is hollow for air to pass through [ mercury], therefore nothing can be as pure a mercury as a flute. The earthen pot has the shape of mercury but the material it is made of is that of Venus [ mitti ]. That could be the reason why Pandit ji suggested a flute. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " girish_raheja " <girish_raheja wrote: > > Respected Sirs, > > Continueing the thread, I would like to ask why a flute was advised > for the upaya and not a mitti ki kuji ? > > Sincerely, > > Girish Raheja > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Pradeep ji, > > > > Mars in house # 1 and the saturn in house #7 : Saturn would be > > considered as awake; but the saturn would not be considered > > necessarily as afflicted because the Mars does not consider Saturn > as > > its enemy. Therefore the aspect of Mars should not be malefic. > > > > In case the results of the Saturn are not as good as that of an > > exalted planet, then the upaya # 2 can be done assuming that the > > maleficity of the Saturn could be due to other reasons. > > > > Yes the upaya can be done in both the cases, Janma kundali and > annual > > jundali. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , pradeep mishra > > <pm_pmishra@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Subject:RE: Lal Kitab Discussion Group Re: Upaya for Saturn in > the > > 7th house / HS Gill > > > Date:Sat, 26 Jan 2008 7:15:41 > > > pm_pmishra@ <pm_pmishra@> > > > To:varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> > > > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > If Mars is 1 H and Sar in 7H, hence sar is awake and afflicted. > > > A. Can one do the number 2 upaya. > > > B. This upaya can be done for horoscope or Annual chart or both. > > > > > > With Regards, > > > Pradeep Mishra > > > > > > varun_trvd wrote: > > > > Respected Gill ji, > > > > These two upaya are for two different situations, and serve > > different > > > > purposes; in other words the aim of these two upaya is > different. > > > > Saturn placed in the 7th house is considered as exalted. Being > > exalted > > > > it should be giving good results. If it doesn’t give good > > results than > > > > there could be two reasons for it. It is either dormant [ soya > > hua ] or > > > > is afflicted by some planet. > > > > It will be dormant if there is no planet in the 1st house. On > the > > > > other hand a planet from the 1st house can afflict it. > Therefore, > > in > > > > the first case the upaya will have to be to awaken the Saturn, > > where as > > > > in the second case the malefic part of the Saturn, caused by > > > > affliction, will have to be destroyed. > > > > Mars awakens the 1st house; therefore keeping a little honey at > > home > > > > will awaken the Saturn in the 7th house. In case the Saturn is > > > > afflicted then burying a flute [mercury] filled with little > khand > > [ > > > > country sugar ] representing Mars will be the upaya. Mars + > > mercury > > > > form the Saturn malefic or Rahu swabhav. Thus by burying a > flute > > filled > > > > with khand will result in destroying the malefic component of > the > > > > Saturn. > > > > I hope to hear from other experts if they have any other > > explanation > > > > for these two upaya. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , " gill_hs2005 " > > > > <gill_hs2005@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Sirs, > > > >> > > > >> For Saturn placed in the 7th house the Lal Kitab suggests two > > > > different > > > >> upaya. One is to keep in the house a little honey if the first > > house > > > > is > > > >> unoccupied and the other is to bury a black flute filled with > > khand [ > > > >> sugar] if the 1st house is occupied. > > > >> Now why these two, entirely different, upaya for the same > > planet in > > > >> the same house? > > > >> What could be the logic behind it all? > > > >> > > > >> Sincerely, > > > >> > > > >> HS Gill > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > > ______________ > > > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > > > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > > ______________ > > > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > > > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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