Guest guest Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 You both suggest dropping the " signs " now. I agree and will. I understand that the planetary aspects are what is physically true right? So I will go from there. And here's some other questions: The planets are tropically assigned as a " ruler " of the tropical sign. Shall I drop that also? Uhhh. I guess that is it for now. Again I thank you for your help. Sincerely, Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 --- Adam B <fulywob wrote: > You both suggest dropping the " signs " now. I agree > and will. I > understand that the planetary aspects are what is > physically true > right? So I will go from there. And here's some > other questions: > The planets are tropically assigned as a " ruler " of > the tropical > sign. Shall I drop that also? Yes... Whenever you are overwhelmed think " Back to the raft " . Imagine you are on a journey and at times you stop to discover and understand ideas... When it becomes just too much remember where you were before you got " stuck " as its a sure place to ground yourself and to continue your quest. Uhhh. I guess that is > it for now. > Again I thank you for your help. > Sincerely, Adam > > Sidereal is rather simple... Study the relationships of the angles and the planets... Observe how an approaching aspect differs from a departing one as well as an applying aspect to a seperating one. There is so much to learn that signs only confuse the education. Juan PS: You are welcome! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 At 01:26 AM 9/12/03 -0000, Adam wrote: >You both suggest dropping the " signs " now. Adam, I don't suggest dropping the signs. I personally don't think you can read a chart fully without them. I sort of see it this way: The planets are the furniture in a room, but there wouldn't be a room without a floor, ceiling, and walls. The signs are the walls, floor and ceiling--the setting for the planets. When you furnish a house, you choose furniture that suits the structure of a house. Likewise, the planets behave differently in different signs. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: The signs are the walls, floor > and ceiling--the setting > for the planets. Nah..... The walls, floor and ceiling are the angles... Floor the IC.... Ceiling the MC... with the ASC and DEC being doors/windows on the walls.... J ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 Oh, by all means...just throw out everything, the baby with the bath water. You want to pay particular attention in getting rid of anything with the duodenary highest god...number 12. Good-bye to 12 signs, 12 houses, 12 aspects. Just everything!! So you are left with nothing but a corpse of skinny planets just minutes from angles and only microscopic orbs, you must understand. Then try to read that shit. Yeah! R. - Juan Oliver wrote: > --- Adam B <fulywob wrote: > > You both suggest dropping the " signs " now. I agree > > and will. I > > understand that the planetary aspects are what is > > physically true > > right? So I will go from there. And here's some > > other questions: > > The planets are tropically assigned as a " ruler " of > > the tropical > > sign. Shall I drop that also? > > Yes... > > Whenever you are overwhelmed think " Back to the raft " . > Imagine you are on a journey and at times you stop to > discover and understand ideas... When it becomes just > too much remember where you were before you got > " stuck " as its a sure place to ground yourself and to > continue your quest. > > Uhhh. I guess that is > > it for now. > > Again I thank you for your help. > > Sincerely, Adam > > > > > > Sidereal is rather simple... Study the relationships > of the angles and the planets... Observe how an > approaching aspect differs from a departing one as > well as an applying aspect to a seperating one. > > There is so much to learn that signs only confuse the > education. > > Juan > > PS: You are welcome! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 When an individual(Adam) is overwhelmed by too much information I think portion control becomes a highly credible approach to understanding. Learning about the planets first without " signage " is the first step. My favorite book on astrology is Garth Allen's " Taking the Kid Gloves off of Astrology " . If you haven't read it, I strongly suggest it. The realm of 12 is a yoke of ignorance if all one can relate to is the strum of a single chord. Juan PS: The baby and bath water are still available if you want company and or thirst for a drink. --- Richard <erichardg wrote: > > Oh, by all means...just throw out everything, the > baby with the bath water. > You want to pay particular attention in getting rid > of anything with the > duodenary highest god...number 12. Good-bye to 12 > signs, 12 houses, > 12 aspects. Just everything!! So you are left with > nothing but a corpse > of skinny planets just minutes from angles and only > microscopic orbs, you > must understand. Then try to read that shit. Yeah! > > R. > > - > Juan Oliver wrote: > > > --- Adam B <fulywob wrote: > > > You both suggest dropping the " signs " now. I > agree > > > and will. I > > > understand that the planetary aspects are what > is > > > physically true > > > right? So I will go from there. And here's some > > > other questions: > > > The planets are tropically assigned as a " ruler " > of > > > the tropical > > > sign. Shall I drop that also? > > > > Yes... > > > > Whenever you are overwhelmed think " Back to the > raft " . > > Imagine you are on a journey and at times you stop > to > > discover and understand ideas... When it becomes > just > > too much remember where you were before you got > > " stuck " as its a sure place to ground yourself and > to > > continue your quest. > > > > Uhhh. I guess that is > > > it for now. > > > Again I thank you for your help. > > > Sincerely, Adam > > > > > > > > > > Sidereal is rather simple... Study the > relationships > > of the angles and the planets... Observe how an > > approaching aspect differs from a departing one as > > well as an applying aspect to a seperating one. > > > > There is so much to learn that signs only confuse > the > > education. > > > > Juan > > > > PS: You are welcome! > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 , Juan Oliver <jivio> wrote: > When an individual(Adam) is overwhelmed by too much > information I think portion control becomes a highly > credible approach to understanding. Learning about the > planets first without " signage " is the first step. > My favorite book on astrology is Garth Allen's " Taking > the Kid Gloves off of Astrology " . If you haven't read > it, I strongly suggest it. > > The realm of 12 is a yoke of ignorance if all one can > relate to is the strum of a single chord. > > Juan > ---I have been away from this group a while. I thank you for your concern and advice that I need to put into practice even beyond astrological studies. Thanks for the book reference. Peace to you. Adam > PS: The baby and bath water are still available if you > want company and or thirst for a drink. > > --- Richard <erichardg@e...> wrote: > > > > Oh, by all means...just throw out everything, the > > baby with the bath water. > > You want to pay particular attention in getting rid > > of anything with the > > duodenary highest god...number 12. Good-bye to 12 > > signs, 12 houses, > > 12 aspects. Just everything!! So you are left with > > nothing but a corpse > > of skinny planets just minutes from angles and only > > microscopic orbs, you > > must understand. Then try to read that shit. Yeah! > > > > R. > > ----Thanks also to Richard! > > - > > Juan Oliver wrote: > > > > > --- Adam B <fulywob@n...> wrote: > > > > You both suggest dropping the " signs " now. I > > agree > > > > and will. I > > > > understand that the planetary aspects are what > > is > > > > physically true > > > > right? So I will go from there. And here's some > > > > other questions: > > > > The planets are tropically assigned as a " ruler " > > of > > > > the tropical > > > > sign. Shall I drop that also? > > > > > > Yes... > > > > > > Whenever you are overwhelmed think " Back to the > > raft " . > > > Imagine you are on a journey and at times you stop > > to > > > discover and understand ideas... When it becomes > > just > > > too much remember where you were before you got > > > " stuck " as its a sure place to ground yourself and > > to > > > continue your quest. > > > > > > Uhhh. I guess that is > > > > it for now. > > > > Again I thank you for your help. > > > > Sincerely, Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sidereal is rather simple... Study the > > relationships > > > of the angles and the planets... Observe how an > > > approaching aspect differs from a departing one as > > > well as an applying aspect to a seperating one. > > > > > > There is so much to learn that signs only confuse > > the > > > education. > > > > > > Juan > > > > > > PS: You are welcome! > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 On 30 Sep 2003 at 3:30, Adam B wrote: > , Juan Oliver <jivio> > wrote: > When an individual(Adam) is overwhelmed by too much > > information I think portion control becomes a highly > credible > approach to understanding. Learning about the > planets first without > " signage " is the first step. > My favorite book on astrology is Garth > Allen's " Taking > the Kid Gloves off of Astrology " . If you haven't > read > it, I strongly suggest it. > > The realm of 12 is a yoke of > ignorance if all one can > relate to is the strum of a single chord. > > > Juan > Yes that is a good start. Because he takes a developmental approach to the planets. Each has its effects on the development in the natives psychology. It also gets to the heart of the symbolism. Though it is crouched in Freudian terms, it is still worth the read.Bert W. Fannin Western Sidereal Astrologer Location and Timing Astrology LTD www.ltastrology.com you may download my PGP Public key off the MIT Keyserver at http://pgp.mit.edu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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