The problem of astrology:the astrologers

March 22, 2003

Alfonso!

I never thought the day would come when I would be in complete

agreement with you, but nonetheless here it is!!

Excellent reasoning, sir.

Next, we should take the chart for Mike Farrell and see if we can

predict the fall of Baghdad!

- Ed K

, alfonso osorio

<alfonsoosorio> wrote:

>

> I had always said that I have a dispassionate and analytical

relationship with astrology.

>

> This has led me to study in depth the different schools, and to

evaluate the different techniques developed and implemented in order

to anticipate events, which is for me the essence and real purpose of

astrology as a divinatory art.

>

> I definitely abhor of the trend of the astrologers in waiting for

an event to hapen and then to run to find some connections,

forgetting that it is ALWAYS possible to find any connection between

any event and a given chart.

>

> Even by using a " dart chart " , fabricated entirely by positions

found by chance or by aim , it is possible to find connections

between the respective planetary positions.

>

> The other trend that mesmerizes me is the use of their own charts

by the astrologers , without taking care if it has any historical

foundation, in the case of the nations, and if it corresponds to the

birth certificate in the case of persons.

>

> Some hindu astrologers had adopted their own birth hour for Hussein

ignoring that even the date is also false. This demonstrates that no

matter which date you use it is possible to " find connections " ,

although completely spurious.

>

> This is clearly shown also with the Irak bombing. There is no

reliable data for Irak nor for Saddam Hussein, but a lot of

astrologers are claiming they already had anticipated the war, like

if Bush hasn`t made clear long ago that Saddam was going to be the

scapegoat of the World Trade attack.

>

> But even knowing in advance that Bush would attack Irak, no one

anticipated the exact date and hour.

>

> And what is more ironic and nobody has noticed it, is that the

charts of both Irak bombings only have one thing in common, the

presence of Jupiter in cancer, the sign where it allegedly is exalted.

>

> And don`t forget that jupiter is exactly transiting the first

house and ascendant of Bush.

>

> I think that in this case,as in many other, hindu astrology is the

only school that offers a better explanation of why the presence of

jupiter in the ascendant sometimes leads to acts contrary to the

nature of jupiter.

>

> USA chart:

>

> When ever there is a mundane event that affects the United States,

astrologers again involve in the polemics of which is the chart.

>

> Although I am a latin-american and don`t live in USA, as a

practicant of astrology it is my duty to find and investigate the

reliability of the chart I use,and this has led me to investigate

about the historical basis for a possible chart.

>

> In a previous email I mentioned that July 4th/1776 had better basis

for being considered an important step in the formation of USA as a

nation than the July 6/1775 chart proposed by Boyd.

>

> And you can`t be mislead because you find exact connections with

just 2 events.

>

> It is my conclusion that the July 4th chart offers more connections

in the long term, after analyzing all the major events such as the

many wars, president assassinations and even recessions.

>

> I have the book written by Boyd and for me is a lousy book. I had a

better image of Firebrace as an astrologer than what he shows in that

book.

>

> Oscar Awards

>

> Soon it will be celebrated the ceremony. I had always made my

predictions in advance, in order to test the principles of the school

I practice and also my skills in interpreting and reading them.

>

> But since I don`t have the data of Nicolle Kidman nor the data for

the interpreter of the Pianist I decided not to give any prognostic.

>

> But no matter who wins, there will be astrological connections for

all and consequently tons of ink will be spent tomorrow in the

astrology books and lists, showing the " exact correspondences "

offered by astrology and specially exalting the merits of the schools

they practice.

>

> Sometimes I think that the worst enemies of astrology are its

practicants.

>

> Sincerely yours,

>

> Alfonso Osorio

>

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>

March 23, 2003

Hi Alonso,

I would like to direct your attention to my new foundation chart for

the United States.

Thomas Jefferson Inauguration

March 4 1801

12 Noon (as recorded)

Washington, DC

Last year's SSR showed a prominent Venus so no war could be predicted

under its auspices. However, the new return which set up March 7, 2003

has Mars at the degree of the MC indicating WAR immediately this

month. I did not work out the day. Mars aspects Mercury-Uranus in the

12th, Aries Moon in the 1st and is 35 Neptune. Relocated to Baghdad we

have Saturn on MC..Pluto IC..Sun DSC, as the object of US attack.

This is my first post in the framework so please excuse if it

doesn't come out right.

Richard

, alfonso osorio

<alfonsoosorio> wrote:

>

> I had always said that I have a dispassionate and analytical

relationship with astrology.

>

> This has led me to study in depth the different schools, and to

evaluate the different techniques developed and implemented in order

to anticipate events, which is for me the essence and real purpose of

astrology as a divinatory art.

>

> I definitely abhor of the trend of the astrologers in waiting for an

event to hapen and then to run to find some connections, forgetting

that it is ALWAYS possible to find any connection between any event

and a given chart.

>

> Even by using a " dart chart " , fabricated entirely by positions found

by chance or by aim , it is possible to find connections between the

respective planetary positions.

>

> The other trend that mesmerizes me is the use of their own charts by

the astrologers , without taking care if it has any historical