The futility of the astrological lists-Hindu [a non-expert's pov]

May 4, 2003

Alfonso Osorio wrote:

>>And finally there is an

increasing trend to incorporate more and more asteroids, like if 10

planets were not enough.<<

I agree with this. I'm not sure that we really know the true effects

of the asteroids or non-traditional planets. Tropical astrologers

often assume that a planet or asteroid has the characteristics of its

name, which, imho, is a mistake.

>>What is ironical is that I should have started quitting this list

first, because this one is the epytome of the little usefulness an

astrological list can offer.<<

>>In this list anarchy is what reigns here. Nobody knows what are the

purposes and objectives of this list and what is worst, nobody

analyzes charts and when they refer to them, they do it about the

tropical zodiac. Why did they choose the name of sidereal-astrology?<<

>>It mesmerizes me to find that the persons who participate more, are

the ones who do not use the sidereal zodiac and alsolack a solid

formation on the different astrological branches and concepts.<<

>>This list, like all other astrological list, should have the only

purpose of analyzing charts and exchanging views about how events

could be foreseen through the lens of the sidereal zodiac. The only

rule should be this one: to work with a sidereal zodiac.<<

>>And for those who do not believe in the sidereal zodiac,there

should be 2 alternatives: to quit or to remain quiet.<<

Personally, I joined this list because I wanted to find out more

about Western Sidereal astrology. There is so little information out

there about it, and I was hoping that reading the discussions on this

list would give me more information about how it works and why it

might be better than Tropical astrology. Though most people here who

post are experts, I'm sure I'm not the only one who joined the list

to learn. So far I have found a lot of the discussions, even some of

the arguments, very helpful, though to an expert I guess all of this

is very boring. Some people, like me, come from a Tropical background

but want to give Sidereal astrology a chance, and therefore we need

to know why we should choose Sidereal over Tropical.

I've actually learned a lot about astrology in general on this list

and other Western Sidereal astrology websites that I could not have

learned from Tropical astrology sources, which seems to pay little

attention to history/astrological origins, and just assume that

everything is correct and works as it is. Tropicalist seem to assume

that everything " just is " . Just mho, but I think that there is room

in a list for different kinds of discussions. More discussions about

actual charts should be encouraged, and those who want to do it

should just go right and ahead and start doing it themselves. But

does that necessarily mean that other things, such as theoretical

discussions and comparisons between Sidereal and Tropical should be

suppressed? Also, I think that the introduction on this site also

encourages people to compare the two kinds of astrology, because it

attracts people who are dissatisfied with their Tropical birth signs

to come and explore sidereal astrology.

Despite the lack of life on this list and the occasional arguments

that can get unpleasant, I actually like this list, because people

here are different from those in the Tropical astrology lists: it

seems to me that people here do not just take all the rules and ideas

of astrology for granted. If I ask someone here, why is sidereal

Sagittarius ambitious, then I might get an explanation like Therese's

in another post, which is based on Sagittarius's connection to

Jupiter -- which makes sense. But if I ask someone from the Tropical

lists, why is Taurus suppose to be materialistic and unemotional, no

one would be able to give me an answer. It's because that's simply

what every Tropicalist was taught, and that's simply the stereotype.

It doesn't really make much sense in light of history and those

things that were traditionally connected to Taurus, but few people in

the Tropical camp seems to care about such things.

elisabeth

May 19, 2003

elisabeth

You write well... and you are doing well if you are able to sift through the

messages

here and learn about Western Sidereal Astrology.

suggest you read the current " sidereal. zip " if you haven't done so already...

and continue to promote your ideas and suggestions.

The threads here on occasion(as most sites) contain good information.

Unfortunately most of the contributors here are not Western Sidereal

Astrologers.

Your suggestion to look at charts is an excellent one but understand why this

individual(me) is not interested in comparing sidereal with tropical.....

First of all... its not either or! Each is an independent example of cyclical

studies.

In the initial stages of learning a new language one goes through the process

of converting (for example) Spanish into English so that an English speaking

individual learns and understands Spanish. Once the individual learns Spanish

he/she no longer converts from one language to the other, they speak and think

Spanish and so it is with Sidereal/Tropical. I think Sidereal and the conversion

process though necessary, is immaterial to a " thinking " Siderealist and if I was

a tropicalist it would be the same ..

Is one better than the other? I think so but that's for the Individual to

decide. Is French better than English? Individuals who know both " usually "

prefer to converse in one over the other.

you wrote...

More discussions about

actual charts should be encouraged, and those who want to do it

should just go right and ahead and start doing it themselves. But

does that necessarily mean that other things, such as theoretical

discussions and comparisons between Sidereal and Tropical should be

suppressed?

Are you being rhetorical? .... anyway... The dissecting of " personal " charts

such as a Bill Gates, George Bush and (Lon) Cheney are interesting to me because

they affect the economy, history and simply put, they are key figures involved

in current events. Many Siderealists look to the CapSolar and Tropicalists look

to the First Day of Spring...as beginning points for the year and I always

thought a PSSR of those charts would be good charts to follow when observing the

changes which occur throughout the year. LOL, Its also interesting to compare

Bio-rhythms to charts as well...

you write:

it seems to me that people here do not just take all the rules and ideas

of astrology for granted.

I think an astrologer is naturally revolutionary and curious and Sidereal in its

roots is cross-grained to conventional(Tropical) thinking.

Most of the Siderealists I'm familiar with are always looking past the veils of

conventional thinking even when the conventional thinking is Sidereal based

astrology.

Revolutionary and inebriated with the lust of discovery. but then I could be

talking about " My Generation " .

Jivio

zqh_elisabeth [sMTP:zqh_elisabeth]

Saturday, May 03, 2003 7:51 PM

The futility of the astrological lists-Hindu [a

non-expert's pov]