Guest guest Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Dear Miglani Ji/Bhooshan Ji/Trivedi & Tyagi ji,My replies to your suggestions are in capital letters. You can see where the whole fuss stands.Dear Punit Ji, you are well aware of astronomy, please check up the errors because it is a lengthy reply may some errors remain ============================================================If I have understood you correctly you mean to say that :We should look up for the Ascendant in the sarini for the same time as given irrespective of the place of birth. YES YOU HAVE UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY. YOU WILL KNOW THAT THERE WILL NEVER BE A DIFFERENCE OF SIX SIGNS AS YOU GIVEN IN YOUR EARLIER CALCULATIONS.NO DOUBT ONE HAS TO APPLY LATITUDINAL CORRECTIONS TO ASCENDENT WHICH RANGES FROM 0.5 DEGREE TO 1.00 PER DEGREE PER LATTITUDE. HIGHER IS THE LATTITUDE HIGHER RATE OF CORRECTION PER DEGREE LATTITUDE. For example if some one is born at 7 am on January 13, 1972 in London, we should look up the Sarini and say that his Lagna would be Makar at one degree [ 1Cp0] Let us examine your contention through a few examples Date of birth for all the places : January 13, 1972Time of birth for all the places : 7 am [ no DST] Lagna from the Sarini for all the places should be : Makar at 1 degree [ ayanansha correction not done] Now let us find out the Lagna through software and see how correct the Lagna from the Sarini is: Lagna through the software Madras : 3 Cp 51 [ Makar at 3d51]-SOFTWARE 1 CP 0 -SARNII ADD SOME MORE CITIES OF INDIA DELHI: 23°SAG 27SHILLONG 10 CP 37AMRITSAR : 19 SG 27WHY THIS DIFFERENCE IS THERE IN THESE LAGANS AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE THE LOCAL MEAN TIME IS DIFFERENT AT THAT TIME FOR EACH PLACE. ONE HAS TO SEE THE SARNI AS PER LOCAL MEAN TIME (LMT) IF THE SARNI IS MADE ON A PLACE NEAR TO STANDARD TIME MERIDIAN. THIS SARNI IS BASED UPON MADRAS LMT WE CAN USE IT SAFELY RATHER THIS IS UNIVERSALLY APPLICABLE TO ALL LOCAL MEAN TIMES. Islamabad : 24 Sg 01 [ Dhanu 24d01 ]LET US CHECKIT IS 6.52.50 LMT THEREAS WE ARE USING SARNI SIDE BY SIDE WE HAVE TO CALCULATE ASCENDENTFOR 7.00 LMT YOU HAVE TO ADD 7 MINUTES TO STANDARD TIME & 33-13= 20 DEGREE LAT. DIFFERNCE APPROXYMATELY 10 DEGREE TO BE ADDED TO THE RESULT OBTAINED BY SOFTWARE OR DEDUCTED FROM MADRAS ASC AT 7.07 PST THE VALUE IS 25 SAG 53 AS PER SOFTWAREVERIFICATION FROM MADRAS SARNI DEDUCT 10 DEGREES FROM MADRAS RESULT 1 CP 0 = 23 SAG 51 NEAR TO CORRECT 25 SAG 53Moscow : 27 Sc 43 [ Brishchik 27d43 ]LET US CHECKIT IS 6..30.18 LMT THERE BUT WE NEED 7.00 LMTAS WE ARE USING SARNI SIDE BY SIDE WE HAVE TO CALCULATE ASCENDENT (I) FOR 7.00 LMT YOU HAVE TO ADD 29 MINUTES 44 sec & (II) 55-13= 42 DEGREE SINCE MOSKOW IS AT HIGER LATTITUDE MORE THAN 40 AS AN AVERAGE WE WILL APPLY CORRECTION 42X0.7=29 DEGREES LAT. DIFFERNCE APPROXYMATELY 29 DEGREE TO BE ADDED TO THE RESULT OBTAINED BY SOFTWARE OR DEDUCTED FROM MADRAS ASC (III) AT 7.29.44 RST THE VALUE IS 4 SAG 02 -AS PER SOFTWAREVERIFICATION FROM MADRAS SARNIDEDUCT 29 DEGREES FROM MADRAS RESULT 1 CP 0 = 2 SAG 0 NEAR TO CORRECT 4 SAG 02New York : 22 Sg 22 [ Dhanu 22d22] LET US CHECKIT IS 7.04. LMT THERE BUT WE NEED 7.00 LMTAS WE ARE USING SARNI SIDE BY SIDE WE HAVE TO CALCULATE ASCENDENT(I) FOR 7.00 LMT YOU HAVE TO DEDUCT 4 MINUTES 0 sec & (II) 40-13= 27 DEGREE SINCE NEWYORK IS AT HIGER LATTITUDE MORE THAN 40 AS AN AVERAGE WE WILL APPLY CORRECTION 28X0.6=19 DEGREES LAT. DIFFERNCE APPROXYMATELY 19 DEGREE TO BE ADDED TO THE RESULT OBTAINED BY SOFTWARE OR DEDUCTED FROM MADRAS ASC (III) AT 6.56.00 AST THE VALUE IS 21 SAG 19 -AS PER SOFTWAREVERIFICATION FROM MADRAS SARNI DEDUCT 20 DEGREES FROM MADRAS RESULT 1 CP 0 = 12 SAG 19 NEAR TO CORRECT 21 SAG 19 Helsinki : 22 Sc 37 [ Brishchik 22d37]LET US CHECK TD -20.12IT IS 6.39.48. LMT THERE BUT WE NEED 7.00 LMT AS WE ARE USING SARNI SIDE BY SIDE WE HAVE TO CALCULATE ASCENDENT(I) FOR 7.00 LMT YOU HAVE TO ADD 20.12 MINUTES & (II) 60-13= 47 DEGREE SINCE HELSINKI IS AT HIGER LATTITUDE MORE THAN 40 AS AN AVERAGE WE WILL APPLY CORRECTION 47X0.7=33 DEGREES LAT. DIFFERNCE APPROXYMATELY 33 DEGREE TO BE ADDED TO THE RESULT OBTAINED BY SOFTWARE OR DEDUCTED FROM MADRAS ASC (III) AT 7.20.12 FST THE VALUE IS 28 SCO 18 -AS PER SOFTWAREVERIFICATION FROM MADRAS SARNI DEDUCT 33 DEGREES FROM MADRAS RESULT 1 CP 0 = 28 SCO 00 NEAR TO CORRECT 28 SCO 18Singapore : 24 Sg 52 [ Dhanu 24d52]LET US CHECK TD -64.24IT IS 5.55.36. LMT THERE BUT WE NEED 7.00 LMTAS WE ARE USING SARNI SIDE BY SIDE WE HAVE TO CALCULATE ASCENDENT (I) FOR 7.00 LMT YOU HAVE TO ADD 20.12 MINUTES & (II) 13-1= 12 DEGREE SINCE SINGAPORE IS AT LATTITUDE LESS THAN MADRAS AS AN AVERAGE WE WILL APPLY CORRECTION 12X0.5=6 DEGREES LAT. DIFFERNCE APPROXYMATELY 6 DEGREE TO BE DEDUCTED TO THE RESULT OBTAINED BY SOFTWARE OR ADDED FROM MADRAS ASC (III) AT 8.04.24 SST THE VALUE IS 10 CP 12 -AS PER SOFTWAREVERIFICATION FROM MADRAS SARNIADD 6 DEGREES FROM MADRAS RESULT 1 CP 0 = 7 CP 00 NEAR TO CORRECT 10 CP 12London : 9 Sg 58 [ Dhanu at 9d58] LET US CHECK TD -0.20IT IS 6.59.40. LMT THERE BUT WE NEED 7.00 LMTAS WE ARE USING SARNI SIDE BY SIDE WE HAVE TO CALCULATE ASCENDENT(I) FOR 7.00 LMT YOU HAVE TO ADD 00.20 MINUTES & (II) 51-13= 38 DEGREE SINCE LONDON IS AT LATTITUDE MORETHAN MADRAS AS AN AVERAGE WE WILL APPLY CORRECTION 38X0.7=27 DEGREES LAT. DIFFERNCE APPROXYMATELY 27 DEGREE TO BE ADDED TO THE RESULT OBTAINED BY SOFTWARE OR DEDUCTED FROM MADRAS ASC (III) AT 6.59.40BST THE VALUE IS 9 SG 53 -AS PER SOFTWAREVERIFICATION FROM MADRAS SARNI DEDUCT 27 DEGREES FROM MADRAS RESULT 1 CP 0 = 3 SG 00 NEAR TO CORRECT 9 SG 53Oslo : 23 Sc 40 [ Brishchik 23 d 40 ] LET US CHECK TD -17.00IT IS 6.43.00. LMT THERE BUT WE NEED 7.00 LMTAS WE ARE USING SARNI SIDE BY SIDE WE HAVE TO CALCULATE ASCENDENT (I) FOR 7.00 LMT YOU HAVE TO ADD 17.00 MINUTES & (II) 60-13= 47 DEGREE SINCE LONDON IS AT LATTITUDE MORE THAN MADRAS AS AN AVERAGE WE WILL APPLY CORRECTION 47X0.7=33 DEGREES LAT. DIFFERNCE APPROXYMATELY 33 DEGREE TO BE ADDED TO THE RESULT OBTAINED BY SOFTWARE OR DEDUCTED FROM MADRAS ASC (III) AT 7.17.00NST THE VALUE IS 26 SCO 50 -AS PER SOFTWAREVERIFICATION FROM MADRAS SARNIDEDUCT 33 DEGREES FROM MADRAS RESULT 1 CP 0 = 28 SCO 00 NEAR TO CORRECT 26 SCO 50 Now you see for yourself; forget about the degrees even the Lagna changes not by just one Rasi, it changes by two Rasi for a few places. DEAR MIGLANI JI, SARNIS NEVER BE SO INACCURATE AS YOU SAID. THERE MAY BE MINOR ERRORS DUE TO MANUAL CALCULATIONS AND LATITUDINAL CORRECTIONS. BECAUSE, THE RATE OF CORRECTION CHANGES EVERY 10 DEGREE OF LATTITUDE. EVEN FOR THE OPERATION OF THE SOFTWARE YOU NEED TO CHECK THE PERIMETERS, THE SOFTWARE IS USING. FOR EXAMPLE MY SOFTWARE TAKES THE STANDARD TIME DIFFERENCE FOR SINGAPORE AS 7.30 HRS WHILE IT SHUOLD BE 8.00 HRS. HERE 4G THEORY COMES(GIVE GOLD GET GOLD OR GIVE GARBAGE GET GARBAGE) IN USE OF SARNI AS WELL AS SOFTWAREThis is an answer to your trick. SAMAJHANAY WAALEY SAMAJH GAYE JO NAA SAMJHEY…. AAP TO 6-6 SIGNS KAA DIFFERENCE DIKHA RAHAY THAYLET US USE YOUR GROUP's THEORY FOR CHECKING THE CORRECTNESS OF SOFTWARE ITSELFYOU CALCULATED THE ASCENDENT FOR OSLO ASCASE IOslo : 23 Sc 40 [ Brishchik 23 d 40 ] AT 7.00 NSTTIME DIFFERENCE FROM INDIA IS 4.30 HRSAS PER YOUR THEORY BRISHCHIK 23SC40 SHALL RISE IN INDIA AT7.00-4.30=2.30 AMHERE IS THE ASCENDENT IN INDIA AT 2.30 AM ON 13.1.1972TULA 23 DEGREE 9MIN DIFFERENCE OF FULL ONE SIGN CASE 2New York : 22 Sg 22 [ Dhanu 22d22]TIME DIFFERENCE FROM INDIA IS 10.30 HRSAS PER YOUR THEORY Dhanu 22d22 SHALL RISE IN INDIA AT7.00-10.30=6.30 PMHERE IS THE ASCENDENT IN INDIA AT 2.30 AM ON 13.1.1972 KARKA 9 DEGREE 41MIN SOFTWARE GAVE ERROR BY 58 SIGNSSO YOUR THEORY HAS PROVED THAT SOFTWARE IS WRONG & SARNI KA TO KYA KEHNATherefore we once again reiterate the stand taken by the Lal Kitab Discussion group that : A Sarini should not be used for places either in India or abroad except for the place it has been calculated for and the adjoining places in that region.YES YOUR REITRATION IS RIGHT FOR THOSE WHO DONOT KNOW THE BASICS OF ASTRONOMY & JUST WITH BASIC 'PANDA'KNOWLEDGE PUT FINGER ON THE CORRECT DATA AND FORGET THAT THREE FINGERS ARE STILL POINTING TOWARDS THEM Yours truly,Shiv Dev Kalsi On 11/11/07, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Dear Miglani ji, Just a small correction that this is NOT the stand taken by this forum. Everybody is free to use whatever method s/he likes and finds working. I personally prefer to discuss analytical part rather than mathematical part to prove or disprove something. For example, we have discussing it in the past that astronomically Rahu and Ketu can not be in the same house, but in Lal Kitab it is true. That doesn't prove Lal Kitab incorrect. We need to analyse and discuss multipe foreign charts and check its applicablitiy. Based on that only we should conclude something. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On 11/10/07, krishna pal miglani < kpmiglani wrote: > > Dear Kalsi ji, > > If I have understood you correctly you mean to say that : > > We should look up for the Ascendant in the sarini for the same time as > given irrespective of the place of birth. > > For example if some one is born at 7 am on January 13, 1972 in London, we > should look up the Sarini and say that his Lagna would be Makar at one > degree [ 1Cp0] > > Let us examine your contention through a few examples > > Date of birth for all the places : January 13, 1972 > Time of birth for all the places : 7 am [ no DST] > > Lagna from the Sarini for all the places should be : Makar at 1 degree [ > ayanansha correction not done] > > Now let us find out the Lagna through software and see how correct the > Lagna from the Sarini is: > > Lagna through the software > > Madras : 3 Cp 51 [ Makar at 3d51] > > Islamabad : 24 Sg 01 [ Dhanu 24d01 ] > Moscow : 27 Sc 43 [ Brishchik 27d43 ] > New York : 22 Sg 22 [ Dhanu 22d22] > Helsinki : 22 Sc 37 [ Brishchik 22d37] > Singapore : 24 Sg 52 [ Dhanu 24d52] > London : 9 Sg 58 [ Dhanu at 9d58] > Oslo : 23 Sc 40 [ Brishchik 23 d 40 ] > > > Now you see for yourself; forget about the degrees even the Lagna changes > not by just one Rasi, it changes by two Rasi for a few places. > > This is an answer to your trick. Therefore we once again reiterate the > stand taken by the Lal Kitab Discussion group that : > > A Sarini should not be used for places either in India or abroad except > for the place it has been calculated for and the adjoining places in that > region. > > Sincerely, > > KP Miglani > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Dear Kalsi ji, We are not interested in any more tricks. If you are willing to have a fair, fearless and objective academic discussion to be carried step by step I am prepared to take you on. Sincerely, KP Miglani , " Shivdev Kalsi " <shivdev.kalsi wrote: > > Dear Miglani Ji/Bhooshan Ji/Trivedi & Tyagi ji, > My replies to your suggestions are in capital letters. You can see where the > whole fuss stands. > Dear Punit Ji, you are well aware of astronomy, please check up the errors > because it is a lengthy reply may some errors remain > ============================================================ > If I have understood you correctly you mean to say that : > We should look up for the Ascendant in the sarini for the same time as given > irrespective of the place of birth. > YES YOU HAVE UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY. YOU WILL KNOW THAT THERE WILL NEVER BE A > DIFFERENCE OF SIX SIGNS AS YOU GIVEN IN YOUR EARLIER CALCULATIONS.NO DOUBT > ONE HAS TO APPLY LATITUDINAL CORRECTIONS TO ASCENDENT WHICH RANGES > FROM 0.5DEGREE TO > 1.00 PER DEGREE PER LATTITUDE. HIGHER IS THE LATTITUDE HIGHER RATE OF > CORRECTION PER DEGREE LATTITUDE. > For example if some one is born at 7 am on January 13, 1972 in London, we > should look up the Sarini and say that his Lagna would be Makar at one > degree [ 1Cp0] > Let us examine your contention through a few examples > Date of birth for all the places : January 13, 1972 > Time of birth for all the places : 7 am [ no DST] > Lagna from the Sarini for all the places should be : Makar at 1 degree [ > ayanansha correction not done] > Now let us find out the Lagna through software and see how correct the Lagna > from the Sarini is: > Lagna through the software > Madras : 3 Cp 51 [ Makar at 3d51]-SOFTWARE > 1 CP 0 -SARNI > I ADD SOME MORE CITIES OF INDIA > DELHI: 23°SAG 27 > SHILLONG 10 CP 37 > AMRITSAR : 19 SG 27 > WHY THIS DIFFERENCE IS THERE IN THESE LAGANS AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE THE > LOCAL MEAN TIME IS DIFFERENT AT THAT TIME FOR EACH PLACE. ONE HAS TO SEE THE > SARNI AS PER LOCAL MEAN TIME (LMT) IF THE SARNI IS MADE ON A PLACE NEAR TO > STANDARD TIME MERIDIAN. THIS SARNI IS BASED UPON MADRAS LMT WE CAN USE IT > SAFELY RATHER THIS IS UNIVERSALLY APPLICABLE TO ALL LOCAL MEAN TIMES. > > Islamabad : 24 Sg 01 [ Dhanu 24d01 ] > LET US CHECK > IT IS 6.52.50 LMT THERE > AS WE ARE USING SARNI SIDE BY SIDE WE HAVE TO CALCULATE ASCENDENT > FOR 7.00 LMT YOU HAVE TO ADD 7 MINUTES TO STANDARD TIME & > 33-13= 20 DEGREE LAT. DIFFERNCE APPROXYMATELY 10 DEGREE TO BE ADDED TO THE > RESULT OBTAINED BY SOFTWARE OR DEDUCTED FROM MADRAS ASC AT 7.07 PST > THE VALUE IS 25 SAG 53 AS PER SOFTWARE > VERIFICATION FROM MADRAS SARNI > DEDUCT 10 DEGREES FROM MADRAS RESULT 1 CP 0 = 23 SAG 51 > NEAR TO CORRECT 25 SAG 53 > > Moscow : 27 Sc 43 [ Brishchik 27d43 ] > LET US CHECK > IT IS 6..30.18 LMT THERE BUT WE NEED 7.00 LMT > AS WE ARE USING SARNI SIDE BY SIDE WE HAVE TO CALCULATE ASCENDENT > (I) FOR 7.00 LMT YOU HAVE TO ADD 29 MINUTES 44 sec & > (II) 55-13= 42 DEGREE SINCE MOSKOW IS AT HIGER LATTITUDE MORE THAN 40 AS AN > AVERAGE WE WILL APPLY CORRECTION 42X0.7=29 DEGREES LAT. DIFFERNCE > APPROXYMATELY 29 DEGREE TO BE ADDED TO THE RESULT OBTAINED BY SOFTWARE OR > DEDUCTED FROM MADRAS ASC > (III) AT 7.29.44 RST > THE VALUE IS 4 SAG 02 -AS PER SOFTWARE > VERIFICATION FROM MADRAS SARNI > DEDUCT 29 DEGREES FROM MADRAS RESULT 1 CP 0 = 2 SAG 0 > NEAR TO CORRECT 4 SAG 02 > > New York : 22 Sg 22 [ Dhanu 22d22] > LET US CHECK > IT IS 7.04. LMT THERE BUT WE NEED 7.00 LMT > AS WE ARE USING SARNI SIDE BY SIDE WE HAVE TO CALCULATE ASCENDENT > (I) FOR 7.00 LMT YOU HAVE TO DEDUCT 4 MINUTES 0 sec & > (II) 40-13= 27 DEGREE SINCE NEWYORK IS AT HIGER LATTITUDE MORE THAN 40 AS AN > AVERAGE WE WILL APPLY CORRECTION 28X0.6=19 DEGREES LAT. DIFFERNCE > APPROXYMATELY 19 DEGREE TO BE ADDED TO THE RESULT OBTAINED BY SOFTWARE OR > DEDUCTED FROM MADRAS ASC > (III) AT 6.56.00 AST > THE VALUE IS 21 SAG 19 -AS PER SOFTWARE > VERIFICATION FROM MADRAS SARNI > DEDUCT 20 DEGREES FROM MADRAS RESULT 1 CP 0 = 12 SAG 19 > NEAR TO CORRECT 21 SAG 19 > > > Helsinki : 22 Sc 37 [ Brishchik 22d37] > LET US CHECK TD -20.12 > IT IS 6.39.48. LMT THERE BUT WE NEED 7.00 LMT > AS WE ARE USING SARNI SIDE BY SIDE WE HAVE TO CALCULATE ASCENDENT > (I) FOR 7.00 LMT YOU HAVE TO ADD 20.12 MINUTES & > (II) 60-13= 47 DEGREE SINCE HELSINKI IS AT HIGER LATTITUDE MORE THAN 40 AS > AN AVERAGE WE WILL APPLY CORRECTION 47X0.7=33 DEGREES LAT. DIFFERNCE > APPROXYMATELY 33 DEGREE TO BE ADDED TO THE RESULT OBTAINED BY SOFTWARE OR > DEDUCTED FROM MADRAS ASC > (III) AT 7.20.12 FST > THE VALUE IS 28 SCO 18 -AS PER SOFTWARE > VERIFICATION FROM MADRAS SARNI > DEDUCT 33 DEGREES FROM MADRAS RESULT 1 CP 0 = 28 SCO 00 > NEAR TO CORRECT 28 SCO 18 > > Singapore : 24 Sg 52 [ Dhanu 24d52] > LET US CHECK TD -64.24 > IT IS 5.55.36. LMT THERE BUT WE NEED 7.00 LMT > AS WE ARE USING SARNI SIDE BY SIDE WE HAVE TO CALCULATE ASCENDENT > (I) FOR 7.00 LMT YOU HAVE TO ADD 20.12 MINUTES & > (II) 13-1= 12 DEGREE SINCE SINGAPORE IS AT LATTITUDE LESS THAN MADRAS AS AN > AVERAGE WE WILL APPLY CORRECTION 12X0.5=6 DEGREES LAT. DIFFERNCE > APPROXYMATELY 6 DEGREE TO BE DEDUCTED TO THE RESULT OBTAINED BY SOFTWARE OR > ADDED FROM MADRAS ASC > (III) AT 8.04.24 SST > THE VALUE IS 10 CP 12 -AS PER SOFTWARE > VERIFICATION FROM MADRAS SARNI > ADD 6 DEGREES FROM MADRAS RESULT 1 CP 0 = 7 CP 00 > NEAR TO CORRECT 10 CP 12 > > London : 9 Sg 58 [ Dhanu at 9d58] > LET US CHECK TD -0.20 > IT IS 6.59.40. LMT THERE BUT WE NEED 7.00 LMT > AS WE ARE USING SARNI SIDE BY SIDE WE HAVE TO CALCULATE ASCENDENT > (I) FOR 7.00 LMT YOU HAVE TO ADD 00.20 MINUTES & > (II) 51-13= 38 DEGREE SINCE LONDON IS AT LATTITUDE MORETHAN MADRAS AS AN > AVERAGE WE WILL APPLY CORRECTION 38X0.7=27 DEGREES LAT. DIFFERNCE > APPROXYMATELY 27 DEGREE TO BE ADDED TO THE RESULT OBTAINED BY SOFTWARE OR > DEDUCTED FROM MADRAS ASC > (III) AT 6.59.40BST > THE VALUE IS 9 SG 53 -AS PER SOFTWARE > VERIFICATION FROM MADRAS SARNI > DEDUCT 27 DEGREES FROM MADRAS RESULT 1 CP 0 = 3 SG 00 > NEAR TO CORRECT 9 SG 53 > > Oslo : 23 Sc 40 [ Brishchik 23 d 40 ] > LET US CHECK TD -17.00 > IT IS 6.43.00. LMT THERE BUT WE NEED 7.00 LMT > AS WE ARE USING SARNI SIDE BY SIDE WE HAVE TO CALCULATE ASCENDENT > (I) FOR 7.00 LMT YOU HAVE TO ADD 17.00 MINUTES & > (II) 60-13= 47 DEGREE SINCE LONDON IS AT LATTITUDE MORE THAN MADRAS AS AN > AVERAGE WE WILL APPLY CORRECTION 47X0.7=33 DEGREES LAT. DIFFERNCE > APPROXYMATELY 33 DEGREE TO BE ADDED TO THE RESULT OBTAINED BY SOFTWARE OR > DEDUCTED FROM MADRAS ASC > (III) AT 7.17.00NST > THE VALUE IS 26 SCO 50 -AS PER SOFTWARE > VERIFICATION FROM MADRAS SARNI > DEDUCT 33 DEGREES FROM MADRAS RESULT 1 CP 0 = 28 SCO 00 > NEAR TO CORRECT 26 SCO 50 > > Now you see for yourself; forget about the degrees even the Lagna changes > not by just one Rasi, it changes by two Rasi for a few places. > DEAR MIGLANI JI, SARNIS NEVER BE SO INACCURATE AS YOU SAID. THERE MAY BE > MINOR ERRORS DUE TO MANUAL CALCULATIONS AND LATITUDINAL CORRECTIONS. > BECAUSE, THE RATE OF CORRECTION CHANGES EVERY 10 DEGREE OF LATTITUDE. > EVEN FOR THE OPERATION OF THE SOFTWARE YOU NEED TO CHECK THE PERIMETERS, THE > SOFTWARE IS USING. FOR EXAMPLE MY SOFTWARE TAKES THE STANDARD TIME > DIFFERENCE FOR SINGAPORE AS 7.30 HRS WHILE IT SHUOLD BE 8.00 HRS. > HERE 4G THEORY COMES(GIVE GOLD GET GOLD OR GIVE GARBAGE GET GARBAGE) IN USE > OF SARNI AS WELL AS SOFTWARE > > This is an answer to your trick. > SAMAJHANAY WAALEY SAMAJH GAYE JO NAA SAMJHEY…. > AAP TO 6-6 SIGNS KAA DIFFERENCE DIKHA RAHAY THAY > > LET US USE YOUR GROUP's THEORY FOR CHECKING THE CORRECTNESS OF SOFTWARE > ITSELF > > YOU CALCULATED THE ASCENDENT FOR OSLO AS > > CASE I > Oslo : 23 Sc 40 [ Brishchik 23 d 40 ] AT 7.00 NST > TIME DIFFERENCE FROM INDIA IS 4.30 HRS > AS PER YOUR THEORY BRISHCHIK 23SC40 SHALL RISE IN INDIA AT > 7.00-4.30=2.30 AM > HERE IS THE ASCENDENT IN INDIA AT 2.30 AM ON 13.1.1972 > TULA 23 DEGREE 9MIN DIFFERENCE OF FULL ONE SIGN > CASE 2 > New York : 22 Sg 22 [ Dhanu 22d22] > TIME DIFFERENCE FROM INDIA IS 10.30 HRS > AS PER YOUR THEORY Dhanu 22d22 SHALL RISE IN INDIA AT > 7.00-10.30=6.30 PM > HERE IS THE ASCENDENT IN INDIA AT 2.30 AM ON 13.1.1972 > KARKA 9 DEGREE 41MIN SOFTWARE GAVE ERROR BY 58 SIGNS > SO YOUR THEORY HAS PROVED THAT SOFTWARE IS WRONG & SARNI KA TO KYA KEHNA > > Therefore we once again reiterate the stand taken by the Lal Kitab > Discussion group that : > A Sarini should not be used for places either in India or abroad except for > the place it has been calculated for and the adjoining places in that > region. > YES YOUR REITRATION IS RIGHT FOR THOSE WHO DONOT KNOW THE BASICS OF > ASTRONOMY & JUST WITH BASIC 'PANDA'KNOWLEDGE PUT FINGER ON THE CORRECT DATA > AND FORGET THAT THREE FINGERS ARE STILL POINTING TOWARDS THEM > Yours truly, > Shiv Dev Kalsi > > > > > > On 11/11/07, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: > > > > Dear Miglani ji, > > > > Just a small correction that this is NOT the stand taken by this forum. > > Everybody is free to use whatever method s/he likes and finds working. I > > personally prefer to discuss analytical part rather than mathematical part > > to prove or disprove something. For example, we have discussing it in the > > past that astronomically Rahu and Ketu can not be in the same house, but > > in > > Lal Kitab it is true. That doesn't prove Lal Kitab incorrect. We need to > > analyse and discuss multipe foreign charts and check its applicablitiy. > > Based on that only we should conclude something. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > On 11/10/07, krishna pal miglani <kpmiglani<kpmiglani% 40.co.in>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kalsi ji, > > > > > > If I have understood you correctly you mean to say that : > > > > > > We should look up for the Ascendant in the sarini for the same time as > > > given irrespective of the place of birth. > > > > > > For example if some one is born at 7 am on January 13, 1972 in London, > > we > > > should look up the Sarini and say that his Lagna would be Makar at one > > > degree [ 1Cp0] > > > > > > Let us examine your contention through a few examples > > > > > > Date of birth for all the places : January 13, 1972 > > > Time of birth for all the places : 7 am [ no DST] > > > > > > Lagna from the Sarini for all the places should be : Makar at 1 degree [ > > > ayanansha correction not done] > > > > > > Now let us find out the Lagna through software and see how correct the > > > Lagna from the Sarini is: > > > > > > Lagna through the software > > > > > > Madras : 3 Cp 51 [ Makar at 3d51] > > > > > > Islamabad : 24 Sg 01 [ Dhanu 24d01 ] > > > Moscow : 27 Sc 43 [ Brishchik 27d43 ] > > > New York : 22 Sg 22 [ Dhanu 22d22] > > > Helsinki : 22 Sc 37 [ Brishchik 22d37] > > > Singapore : 24 Sg 52 [ Dhanu 24d52] > > > London : 9 Sg 58 [ Dhanu at 9d58] > > > Oslo : 23 Sc 40 [ Brishchik 23 d 40 ] > > > > > > > > > Now you see for yourself; forget about the degrees even the Lagna > > changes > > > not by just one Rasi, it changes by two Rasi for a few places. > > > > > > This is an answer to your trick. Therefore we once again reiterate the > > > stand taken by the Lal Kitab Discussion group that : > > > > > > A Sarini should not be used for places either in India or abroad except > > > for the place it has been calculated for and the adjoining places in > > that > > > region. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > KP Miglani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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