Guest guest Posted February 17, 2003 Report Share Posted February 17, 2003 Hombre.... You wrote.... alfonso osorio <alfonsoosorio> Thu Feb 13, 2003 11:14 am More astrological comments- Another case " There are many astrologers who do not score not even one hit in they life, despite they continuosly advance or give many and successive dates for events that never happen. In my opinion they should stop doing so. But nobody recalls their failures nor try to make them conscious that they should better abandon astrology. " " Of course if you continue giving successive dates, somebody will be able to agree with the date of the attack, in case it is finally done, due to the obsession Bush has with ousting Saddam. But this is not astrological prediction, only guesses. " " To summarize my point, it is my honest opinion that even if we knew his exact time of birth, we would be unable to advance and to warn him of the risk he had of dying in an accident like that, because his chart does not give any hint for it. " " This is one of the many charts I had found where astrology does not offer any clue. Where it is completely mute. " Alfonso Osorio English may not be your first language and it may be because of this, that your ideas are not presented as you would want them to be. When I read the above it seemed clear to me that you were against predicting events astrologically. Your entire thread seemed to focus on the uselessness of " prediction " . Now you write " Quite contrary to that, I had always insisted in the convenience of anticipating events, instead of waiting to read what happens and then run to give the astrological explanation. " FYI: I'm not interested in debating you... I will point out that your writing though seems to imply that anyone questioning your viewpoint is creating an unhealthy " atmosphere " .... That is silly.... Silence implies agreement... Much of your " modern " astrologer thinking is " tropical " in nature.... When I disagree with what I read I usually express dissent. Nothing personal.... Just expressing a difference of opinion or in your case explaining how what you write can be interpeted... As for houses.... How many are there? 12? 8? Where do they begin? Where do they end? Are they vedic? are they tropical? Fact is... the angles begin the explanation process of charting along with the planets....The Asc., MC, etc... The position of the planets being in the foreground, middlegroud or background continue that process of definition. Interpetation Of Sidereal Charts within Tropical metapfors is an illicit perception. I would like to know what 98% of Sideralists think about when the idea of " houses " is presented. What principles do you consider to be the foundation of " house " utilization? Jivio PS: In my work... " houses " are relatively the least developed " tool " in my astro toolbox. Would I like to see their value increase? Absolutely.... FYI: I have experienced/witnessed very little value in the " houses " compared to analyzing the angles. They do not facilitate understanding the essence of timing. --- alfonso osorio <alfonsoosorio wrote: > > I had always noticed that one of the reasons why so > many sterile debates surge in the astrology lists is > that some members, most of the times, do not read > carefully the postings and in their urge to say > something, they rush to reply and to try to refute > things no one has said. > > I had never discarded planets as instruments for > reading a chart, quite silly and even stupid would I > be, if I had said or even thought that. > > What I had said is that BESIDES, IN ADDITION to the > planets, a domification of the chart is required, > because with it we can try to decipher where,i.e, in > what area of a life, does an event can happen. > > Elementary logic indicates to me that unless we > can`t find or abscribe places in the chart for > specific events, with the single presence of the > planets we would be unable to determine that. > > This is my opinion, and I think that it is shared by > almost 98% of the astrologers.This does not mean, of > course, that it has to be followed by all > astrologers. If some of you, decide to prescind of > houses, I don`t care at all and it is not my > intention to change your opinions. > > Another thing that mesmerized me is when Juan > Olivier mentions that in previous posting " I had > disapproved forecasting " . ???? > > Quite contrary to that, I had always insisted in the > convenience of anticipating events, instead of > waiting to read what happens and then run to give > the astrological explanation. > > There is a new atmosphere in the list in the last > days, and I think the better way to keep it in this > condition is by avoiding to promote silly debates, > specially when they are ignited by attributing to > others things we had never said. > > Alfonso Osorio > > > > > > Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close > to Antares? 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