RE: Digest Number 452

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Dear All,

 

There are left any remarks to answer in the group, that I postpone

my decission. Could there not be more wiped out here in the list. It is

three double sometimes. It makes it all too long. I have done it now too.

 

 

jivio

7. RE: Digest Number 449

" Anny van Berckel " <avbdk

8. The Zodiac and the 12 Astrological Ages

Terese Hamilton <eastwest

9. Re: Digest Number 449

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> Fundamentalist Islam is a menace for reasons that have nothing

> whatever to do with US-Soviet

> arms control treaties.

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USA became involved with the Islam, because the CIA and the

Afghanistan fighters co operated against the Sovjet State.

After the Sovjet Union left Afghanistan, the cooperation was

over. The hate for USA might be settled since Bin Laden is

isolated from Saudi Arabie/his family. Not a natural treath

to torn family bonds althus the inhabitants of SaudiArabia.

 

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Wed, 08 Jan 2003 03:38:10 -0000

" Ed Kohout <crumpo " <crumpo

Re: Digest Number 444, Anny

 

I wonder if you can explain to me why Mars is a better planet at

29*59' Capricorn than 00*01' Aquarius??

 

Although I agreed about the distance between 29°59'Capricorn and

0°00Aq in degrees, but it is quite interesting to take a close

look at the degrees considering the degrees of the zodiac put

down by Esther Leinbach. In Capricornus the influence is greatly

difference in character (par example practical and simple. Loves

natural settings and loving nature, living outside of town.

Aquarius is different needs the influence of planets in Capricornus

in the native's chart to gain balance to profit from the Aquarius -

talents.

 

You wrote there are numerous fixed stars between these degrees.

Naturally I know about that, but the influence of conjunctions

with fixed stars is a long history of experience and research

put down in studybooks. Just alike it is with the conjunctions

of planetes and asteroides. Centuries of time were necessary

to know the influence of the few we consider. Research is only

possible with the cooperation of all astrologers to assemble

experiences in progressive, solar return charts.

 

Hi Terese quite interesting what you are telling about the

start of the different zodiacs. I like it the way you have

done it. I keep it her and save it until I have a place to

keep it

 

Several friends keep saying to me " it is not worth the time

to consider the difference. They calculate charts " by hand "

(They are too aged to use a computer). This consideration

is said for centuries to students. I was stunned by that

and the more since I know that astrologer take the burden

to " translate " the astronomical calculations of planets into

the tropical zodiac. Quite funny it is indeed.

 

HE TROPICAL ZODIAC

The EQUINOX points are those two moments during the year when the Sun (in

its apparent path along the elciptic--that is, the 12 starry constellations

in the sky) crosses the equator. At that time day and night are equal all

over the earth. The SPRING equinox defines the beginning point (Aries zero

degrees) of the Tropical zodiac. This moment is the beginning of Spring in

the northern hemisphere and the beginning of fall in the southern

hemisphere. So remember: If you use the Tropical zodiac and live in

Australia, your zodiac begins in the FALL of the year.

 

THE SIDEREAL ZODIAC

O.K., that's the Tropical zodiac. The sidereal zodiac has no relation at

all to the seasons or the equinoxes. It's measured from one of the fixed

stars close to the ecliptic. Which fixed star depends on your favorite

theory, but the two most commonly used stars are Spica (used in India as

the junction between Virgo and Libra) and Aldebaran, which Cyril Fagan

places at the mathematical center of the sidereal sign of Taurus.

 

There is only about a one degree difference between the zodiacs produced by

these two reference stars. They are essentially the same zodiac unless you

are using the sub (harmonic) charts whose planetary positions depend on

precise degrees and minutes in the zodiac. Historically, the sidereal

zodiac was used before the tropical astrological zodiac was invented.

 

THE GREAT PRECESSIONAL YEAR AND THE ASTROLOGICAL AGES

O.K. back to the EQUINOX: The eqinoxes shift backwards through the 12

constellations over a period of about 25,800 years. I'm not going to get

into the astronomy of this shift because it's clearly explained in

astronomy books. An easy-to-understand child's book is H.A. Rey's THE

STARS. This is a good book for adults too. Why plow through adult

terminology if there's an easier way to say it?

 

The time it takes for the vernal equinox to pass backwards through one

constellation is called an ASTROLOGICAL AGE. As the spring equinox is

currently passing through the stars of Pisces, we are said to be in the AGE

OF PISCES. One complete revolution of the vernal equinox through the enire

zodiac of 12 constellations (25,800 years) is called the PRECESSIONAL YEAR

or GREAT ASTROLOGICAL YEAR.

 

Bottom line in regard to the zodiacs is:

 

The Tropical zodiac is measured from the Spring Equinox and constantly

MOVES backwards against the background of the stars and constellations.

 

The Sidereal zodiac remains in the same place against the background of

stars. Each sidereal sign stays in the vacinity of the constellation of the

same name, but the correlation isn't exact. Some constellations are shorter

than others. The sidereal zodiac of 30 degrees for each sign is measured

from one or more fixed stars.

 

The precession of the equinoxes defines the 12 astrological ages of 2,150

years each, backwards from the stars of Aries through Pisces, then

Aquarius, etc. The great Sidereal Year including all 12 steps of 2,150

years each (25,800 years in all) is called a GREAT ASTROLOGICAL YEAR or

GREAT PRECESSIONAL YEAR.

 

These astrological agaes have nothing to do with the actual use of either

astrological zodiac by astrologers UNLESS the astrological ages are

measured on the basis of the 30 degree sidereal signs rather than the

actual constellations themselves. This is an important reseach area which

would involve a methodical study of key historical events. What do the

sidereal signs mean? Is sidereal Pisces reflected in the historical events

of the current age of Pisces, for example?

 

Terese

 

 

 

" Ed Kohout " remark:

 

I can't begin to count the problems with relying on the TV for the

best quality of information, but for live events, I suppose this

medium (and radio) has the advantage. Why don't you read newspapers?

 

>I do read a newspaper (the weekend News paper.)This takes so much time,

very interesting items, that I have to choose between the sidereal group

or reading newspapers regularly. And my family is important too.

 

Anny

 

So I might consider again what to do, because I have learned a lot from

astrology this way, via a group. I discover that I have learned/taken in

more astrology than I thought possible in the snapshots of time I have

taken via study books. I was also happy to find this sidereal group.

 

Until the next time. Greetings Anny