Guest guest Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Respected Yograj ji, You have solved the puzzle. Yes gobar is a karak of Ketu. Thank you for this information. But now the question remains how to interpret this sentence for venus in the 8th house: gobar aur dahi ki milavat se bichchhu paida hone... Would you like to say some thing ? With great regards, Varun Trivedi , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Dear Varun and Vijay Bhai. > > In my humble opinion Cow Dung comes under the articles of Ketu, perhaps the following examples will help us in going to the right direction: > > (1).Lal Kitab (Teesra Hissa) 1941, page no. 18 line no.10: > " Khatayee va gobar ya ho sacchee neki, ye khud khasiyat hai ketu ki....... " > > (2). Lal Kitab (Teesra Hissa) 1941, page no. 195 line no.2: > " Ketu doojey Gobar gaye.......... " > > Respected seniors, please correct me if I am wrong. > > Rspectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Respected Vijay ji, > > You seem to have missed the entire point. > > Here is an equation given in the Lal Kitab : > > Gobar + Venus = Saturn > > Now we have to find out the value of gobar. In other words which > planet in conjunction with venus will form saturn. The only planet in > conjunction with venus which forms saturn is the jupiter. The saturn > thus formed is ketu swabhav, but the gobar stays equal to jupiter. It > is not the gobar which is ketu swabhav, it is the saturn thus formed > which is of ketu swabhav. > > Whether we like it or not, whether our gut feeling or intuition > agrees with it or not, whether our social upbringing makes us believe > in it or not; all these matters do not come into play. > > As far as the Lal Kitab is concerned, it goes by dry logic and not by > our perceptions, or what other systems have to say. > > After having said this, I would still love to hear from other experts > as to what would gobar represent in the above equation if not Jupiter. > > With regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > , " Vijay Goel " > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > Respected Varunji, > > > > I realised that i am not going according to LK , so please forgive > me. > > > > As gone through previous mails of Pt Bhooshan Priya ji, he said > that : > > > > deer droppings = ashubh mangal > > camel dropping = Rahu > > Bat/pigeon droppings = ashubh budh > > > > As per my thinking all droppings comes under saturn and here cow > dung behaves as Subh Ketu. > > > > I may be wrong. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > > - > > Vijay Goel > > > > Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:43 PM > > Who is a karak of gobar [ dung ] ? > > > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > > Yeah, Gobar(cow dung) karak is saturn but acts like ketu when > used ,highly auspicous and used in religious activities atleast in > Hindus other than cooking etc. ketu ==fire(heat) + moksha (spiritual). > > > > now how dahi+gobar=scorpion ? > > > > Milk is moon -- it denotes that pure love is mother's love.(milk > only comes from mother's heart) > > > > Now when Milk is fermented with 'desire' it becomes 'Curd' > > > > So curd = venus = wife :love out of desire, desire to continue > lineage to the least. > > > > Now Gobar = saturn is excreta, excreta of 'anything' is poison or > hate. The thing that cannot be sustain by any system. Say example > Sins in vedic culture. > > > > Now curd + gobar = scorpion. > > > > When desire can mixed with hate or sins it produces 'scorpion' > > Scorpion = extremist or ketu = terrorists. > > > > So scorpions is Ketu Swabhav ' = Mansui of saturn. > > > > I can say that 'Gobar\(cow dung only)' is positive ketu and > scorpion is negative ketu both are the Karak of Saturn. > > > > This may be the logic, > > > > Regards, > > Best Wishes, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Respected Yograj ji, You could be right. It appears that Pandit ji used this phrase dahi + gobar as a kivdantti to drive home the malefic effects of Venus in the 8th house. It may have nothing to do with the origin of the bicchhoo as such. The concept of bicchhoo does seem to be related to the Rasi in the 8th [ scorpio ] and with the Saturn who in the 8th has been designated as bicchhoo. Thank you once again. Hope to see more of these insights in the times ahead also. With great regards, Varun Trivedi , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Dear Varun ji, > > Before going to the example/sentence in question, I would like to share a couple of things regarding Dahee+Gobar=Bicchhoo, perhaps these can help us in seeing the things in a much better way. > > I have heard (just heard about it and have no proof whatsoever), that if a Kooja filled with Dahee is buried under the heap of dung for certain number of days and in a particular season, you will find numerous Scorpions after a few days. Isn't it possible that Pt. jee has indicated towards that effect/practice? > > You must have heard that in rural areas villagers often compliant that their live stock suddenly start producing milk and that someone has " done " something to their cows/buffalo's. I have heard from many " Babas " that some envious neighbors by using the Dahee+Gobar trick produce scorpions, once the cows/buffalo's are bitten by these scorpions they suddenly stop giving milk. > > Probably Pundit jee was very much aware of the above-mentioned facts, that is why he used those without any if's and but's. > > Now the example mentioned by you, Frankly, I am not very sure about the exact meanings of the example given by Pt Jee, but I am writing whatever I could gather with my little knowledge. First of all the complete sentence in question is as mentioned below: > > " Dahee gobar kee milavat se bicchhoo paida hone kee tarah museebat par museebat khud ba khud khadee karta jayega...... " > (Shukkar khana no.8. Mandee Halat- page 466,line no 14 to 16 of LK- 1952) > > Apart from this, there is similar example in Shukkar khana no.8. page 164,line no 6 to 8 in the left column LK-1940, which gives us the clearer idea: > " Dahee gobar kee milavat se bicchhoo paida hone kee tarah Doosron ke liye Sabz-Qadma saabit howey..... " > > It is very much true that the Bicchhoo created by DaheeGobar ki milavat shall be a great nuisance to other. > > As per my little understanding: > > (1). As far as the Dahee Gobar se Bicchhoo paida hona is concerned, probably Pt. jee has indicated regarding the Mandee Halat of Shukkar in house no.8, it seems to me just an example to clarify the situation. > > (2). Since 8th house is also known as Shani's headquarter, maybe Pt. jee has indicated into that direction as Saturn in house no. 8 is called Bicchhoo (Shani khana no. 8, page no. 167 line no.1 of LK- 1941). > > (3) It also looks like an indication towards Venus+Ketu combination and its negative nature. > > (4.) Perhaps it has also something to do with 8th zodiac sign Scorpio, fixed for house no. 8. > > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Respected Yograj ji, > > You have solved the puzzle. Yes gobar is a karak of Ketu. Thank you > for this information. > > But now the question remains how to interpret this sentence for venus > in the 8th house: > > gobar aur dahi ki milavat se bichchhu paida hone... > > Would you like to say some thing ? > > With great regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > , Yograj Prabhakar > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Varun and Vijay Bhai. > > > > In my humble opinion Cow Dung comes under the articles of Ketu, > perhaps the following examples will help us in going to the right > direction: > > > > (1).Lal Kitab (Teesra Hissa) 1941, page no. 18 line no.10: > > " Khatayee va gobar ya ho sacchee neki, ye khud khasiyat hai ketu > ki....... " > > > > (2). Lal Kitab (Teesra Hissa) 1941, page no. 195 line no.2: > > " Ketu doojey Gobar gaye.......... " > > > > Respected seniors, please correct me if I am wrong. > > > > Rspectfully > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > Respected Vijay ji, > > > > You seem to have missed the entire point. > > > > Here is an equation given in the Lal Kitab : > > > > Gobar + Venus = Saturn > > > > Now we have to find out the value of gobar. In other words which > > planet in conjunction with venus will form saturn. The only planet > in > > conjunction with venus which forms saturn is the jupiter. The > saturn > > thus formed is ketu swabhav, but the gobar stays equal to jupiter. > It > > is not the gobar which is ketu swabhav, it is the saturn thus > formed > > which is of ketu swabhav. > > > > Whether we like it or not, whether our gut feeling or intuition > > agrees with it or not, whether our social upbringing makes us > believe > > in it or not; all these matters do not come into play. > > > > As far as the Lal Kitab is concerned, it goes by dry logic and not > by > > our perceptions, or what other systems have to say. > > > > After having said this, I would still love to hear from other > experts > > as to what would gobar represent in the above equation if not > Jupiter. > > > > With regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , " Vijay Goel " > > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Varunji, > > > > > > I realised that i am not going according to LK , so please > forgive > > me. > > > > > > As gone through previous mails of Pt Bhooshan Priya ji, he said > > that : > > > > > > deer droppings = ashubh mangal > > > camel dropping = Rahu > > > Bat/pigeon droppings = ashubh budh > > > > > > As per my thinking all droppings comes under saturn and here cow > > dung behaves as Subh Ketu. > > > > > > I may be wrong. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:43 PM > > > Who is a karak of gobar [ dung ] ? > > > > > > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > > > > Yeah, Gobar(cow dung) karak is saturn but acts like ketu when > > used ,highly auspicous and used in religious activities atleast in > > Hindus other than cooking etc. ketu ==fire(heat) + moksha > (spiritual). > > > > > > now how dahi+gobar=scorpion ? > > > > > > Milk is moon -- it denotes that pure love is mother's love. (milk > > only comes from mother's heart) > > > > > > Now when Milk is fermented with 'desire' it becomes 'Curd' > > > > > > So curd = venus = wife :love out of desire, desire to continue > > lineage to the least. > > > > > > Now Gobar = saturn is excreta, excreta of 'anything' is poison > or > > hate. The thing that cannot be sustain by any system. Say example > > Sins in vedic culture. > > > > > > Now curd + gobar = scorpion. > > > > > > When desire can mixed with hate or sins it produces 'scorpion' > > > Scorpion = extremist or ketu = terrorists. > > > > > > So scorpions is Ketu Swabhav ' = Mansui of saturn. > > > > > > I can say that 'Gobar\(cow dung only)' is positive ketu and > > scorpion is negative ketu both are the Karak of Saturn. > > > > > > This may be the logic, > > > > > > Regards, > > > Best Wishes, > > > Vijay Goel > > > Jaipur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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