Solar Returns and Jupiter-Saturn (Chris)

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At 05:34 PM 11/7/03 -0000, Chris wrote:

>In my own chart... - my Saturn return was a fabulous

>year for me, with extra promotion and a pay rise and lots of holidays, and

>not remotely traumatic.

 

>My Jupiter returns have not generally been happy

>times. Now - I can see that " lots of foreign holidays " on my Saturn return

>has a Sagittarian flavour - but according to tropical astrology, my Saturn

>is well placed in the sign he rules (Capricorn), and Jupiter badly placed in

>his fall (Capricorn). In sidereal terms, my Saturn in Sag wouldn't be the

>best placement, but Jupiter in Sag is excellent...

 

>If anyone is interested, my birth data is: 15 March 1960, 15:25GMT, Windsor

>United Kingdom. 0W35, 51N28. Asc: 3Leo25 (sidereal), Sun: 0Pis52 (sidereal).

 

Chris,

 

It's true that using the sidereal picture your Jupiter is better placed

than your Saturn. Both are in Sag, the 5th sign from your ascendant, which

is Leo. In the sidereal perspective, however, it's the location of the

planets on your birthday--the sidereal solar return chart (SSR)--that

determines the good or bad tone of the following year. So what was the

year--and your age--on the birthday preceding this good year?

 

Note: Different house systems may place Jupiter and Saturn in different

houses.

 

As for the placement of Jupiter and Saturn, Jyotish has an interesting

perspective on this. Your Jupiter is at 8 Sag, which is Ketu's (South node)

mansion. Your Ketu is in the 8th house in Pisces--not a strong placement.

The Krishnamurti system (not the K ayanamsa) says that when Jupiter is

transited, the results will have to do with Ketu's placement.

 

Your Saturn is in a mansion of Venus, and your Venus is strong on the cusp

of the 7th house. So transits to Saturn would bring the results of a well

placed Venus. This is only ONE way of looking at the planets in Jyotish,

and not all Jyotish astrologers agree that the mansion lords relate to the

planets in this way.

 

It's also true that since Jupiter disposits Saturn, Jupiter has the final

say for Saturn. (This is also Jyotish.)

 

But for this list, it's the solar return chart that is important.

 

Therese