Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 --- On Wed, 12/8/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Need your help to decipher a Lal Kitab dictum"Pandit Bhooshan Priya" <Wednesday, 12 August, 2009, 2:35 PM Dear Bhooshan Priya ji,I thank you for your kind mail. I appreciate and am humbled but please do not call me most knowledgeable as I sincerely feel that I am just learning and there is a vast unknown expanse before me. I know LAL KITAB is a very sound system of prediction and is a wonderful tool in right hands. So is any system of astrology once pursued with honesty, devotion and and dedication. About the dictums in ancient texts, I have seen that it is a slippery ground to tread on. At least in traditional system, many of the yogas and dictums are not really seen to be working, reasons may be fragmanted knowledge in our hands and changing desh-kaal-patra. Most of the yogas have conditional application, e.g for arishta yogas to work the precondition is the strength of the chart. Once lagna is strong, there is no problem. Also there are as many arishta bhangas. Same goes for most of the dictums. Of course we cannot rule out the typos and printing errors. About this particular yoga of sun and moon, IMHO, the following may be true (in case there is no printing error, etc.):The results (a) and (b) are contrary. If the native dies at 12, then point 2 becomes redundant. If he survives, then when does he survive? What are those conditions? May be we come back to the body/lagna and strength of the chart.It appears to me that tha author means a poornima birth and the luminaries in karaka-maraka axis of poorva punya and children.We know that up to 12 years, a child is subject to parent's poova karmas, which obviously will be seen from 5H as they are also child's previous merits. In many cases of infant mortality we may notice a role of 5H/5L and dasha related to 5H. It could be that mother and father in that axis denote a phal that is carried over from previous birth.The second point is related to children. This could again relate to some parental curse from previous birth which the native suffers by begeting a dead feotus. We may take it as true for the first part when other arishtas also exist, or lagna is weak. For the second part, the consition of 5H/5L might also be examined. Also may be longitudes of sun and moon!However, I checked a couple of charts with this combination where the first point has definitely not materialised, but I will have to check about the second point and get back. You may post this on your group. I became a member of your group some time back, but I have not been able to devote any time for serious perusal of this wonderful system. I hope to learn some nuances of it one day. :-)Thanks and Kind RegardsNeelam 2009/8/11 Pandit Bhooshan Priya < Dear Neelam ji, I seek your help to decipher a dictum of Lal Kitab. I have tried but not able to find any logical explanation for it. The dictum : If the sun is placed in the 11th house and at the same time moon is placed in the 5th house then the Lal Kitab says : [a] native will die at the age of 12 years. he will either have no progeny, or if at all, then it will be a dead fetus. [ can read from Ashant ji’s book, page 177 ] [ In the Lal Kitab system a planet placed in the 5th doesn’t aspect the one placed in the 11th, similarly a planet placed in the 11th doesn’t aspect the one placed in the 5th ] I have been studying traditional vedic astrology for many years, I have never come across any such horrific results for this placement. Since I consider you as the most knowledgeable scholar of traditional astrology on the net, I thought of you to seek help from. I have posted a message in the group also. You could answer on my e-mail or in the group, as you feel comfortable. With respect and regards, Bhooshan priya Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Dear Neelam ji, Its been so kind of you to have responded to my request. Since the Lal Kitab is a product of one of our Arsha paddhati, it is quite possible that we have a knowledge which might be fragmented at places. I agree with you that the two results claimed for the moon in 5th/the Sun 11th have to be verified through other parameters also like the strength of the Lagna and LL; the 5H/5L strength etc. This again will have to be correlated with the Dasha and the Antardasha and so on. And of course the final verification will have to be done through the actual horoscope situations. I thank you once again for being so helpful. God bless you, Bhooshan Priya , Pandit Bhooshan Priya < wrote: > > > > --- On Wed, 12/8/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > Re: Need your help to decipher a Lal Kitab dictum > " Pandit Bhooshan Priya " < > Wednesday, 12 August, 2009, 2:35 PM > > > Dear Bhooshan Priya ji, > > I thank you for your kind mail. I appreciate and am humbled but please do not call me most knowledgeable as I sincerely feel that I am just learning and there is a vast unknown expanse before me. > > I know LAL KITAB is a very sound system of prediction and is a wonderful tool in right hands. So is any system of astrology once pursued with honesty, devotion and and dedication. > > About the dictums in ancient texts, I have seen that it is a slippery ground to tread on. At least in traditional system, many of the yogas and dictums are not really seen to be working, reasons may be fragmanted knowledge in our hands and changing desh-kaal-patra. Most of the yogas have conditional application, e.g for arishta yogas to work the precondition is the strength of the chart. Once lagna is strong, there is no problem. Also there are as many arishta bhangas. Same goes for most of the dictums. > Of course we cannot rule out the typos and printing errors. > > About this particular yoga of sun and moon, IMHO, the following may be true (in case there is no printing error, etc.): > > The results (a) and (b) are contrary. If the native dies at 12, then point 2 becomes redundant. If he survives, then when does he survive? What are those conditions? May be we come back to the body/lagna and strength of the chart. > > It appears to me that tha author means a poornima birth and the luminaries in karaka-maraka axis of poorva punya and children. > > We know that up to 12 years, a child is subject to parent's poova karmas, which obviously will be seen from 5H as they are also child's previous merits. In many cases of infant mortality we may notice a role of 5H/5L and dasha related to 5H. It could be that mother and father in that axis denote a phal that is carried over from previous birth. > The second point is related to children. This could again relate to some parental curse from previous birth which the native suffers by begeting a dead feotus. > > We may take it as true for the first part when other arishtas also exist, or lagna is weak. For the second part, the consition of 5H/5L might also be examined. Also may be longitudes of sun and moon! > > However, I checked a couple of charts with this combination where the first point has definitely not materialised, but I will have to check about the second point and get back. > > You may post this on your group. I became a member of your group some time back, but I have not been able to devote any time for serious perusal of this wonderful system. > I hope to learn some nuances of it one day. :-) > > Thanks and Kind Regards > Neelam > > > > > > 2009/8/11 Pandit Bhooshan Priya < Dear Neelam ji, >  >  > I seek your help to decipher a dictum of Lal Kitab. I have tried but not able to find any logical explanation for it. >  > The dictum : >  > If the sun is placed in the 11th house and at the same time moon is placed in the 5th house then the Lal Kitab says : >  > [a] native will die at the age of 12 years. > he will either have no progeny, or if at all, then it will be a dead fetus. >  > [ can read from Ashant ji’s book, page 177 ] >  > [ In the Lal Kitab system a planet placed in the 5th doesn’t aspect the one placed in the 11th, similarly a planet placed in the 11th doesn’t aspect the one placed in the 5th ] >  > I have been studying traditional vedic astrology for many years, I have never come across any such horrific results for this placement. >  > Since I consider you as the most knowledgeable scholar of traditional astrology on the net, I thought of you to seek help from. >  > I have posted a message in the group also. You could answer on my e-mail or in the group, as you feel comfortable. >  > With respect and regards, >  > Bhooshan priya >  > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here. > > > > Looking for local information? Find it on Local http://in.local./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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