Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 From the Jyotish list: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Question: “I want to know the basic reason (based on Rasi [natal] chart only) why Bush had ascended in the dasa of his 8th lord Saturn... I am still perplexed as I couldn’t find the various possibilities replicable. (posted by a list member) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Reply from K.N. Rao (Who by the way gave the wrong prediction for the recent Indian election along with the majority of Indian astrologers.) QUOTE: The basic principles of interpretations have been summed up in the memory tablet I have coined PAC posited, aspected and conjunct. Saturn is the seventh lord aspecting the seventh and tenth houses and also the third house. So he has to give results concerning these houses essentially. Saturn is the seventh lord, so a position giver aspecting his own house. The antardasha [sub period] lord is Jupiter aspecting the seventh house also aspecting ninth house, his own house so his luck is strong enough. He is involved in a gajakesari yoga so he has to sit on an elephant (the throne of USA). So Jupiter also promises position. (If Bush had lost elections, he would still have attained some position.) The seventh house /lord etc. involve a man in power in wars which is why on 20 Jan 2001 when Bush had taken oath, I had written on this list (nine months before 11 Sept) that he would involve USA in wars. He waged two wars against Afghanistan and Iraq. Saturn and Jupiter both are aspecting the house of war...So Bush will continue his war and warlike activities. He will do it with a rare determination because of the exchange of the lagna [ascendant] and the third lord in his horoscope...[Moon in Virgo, Mercury in Cancer] END QUOTE BY K.N. RAO (Signed) Yours, K.N.Rao. F-291 Saraswati Kunj, Patpatganj, Delhi 110092 Phones (91-011) 2272-1624/2272-1625 Distributor of my books in USA stellargroup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Hi Therese and members, This answer by Mr. Rao doesn't quite satisfy somehow. Saturn is still a bugaboo for Cancer by Vedic principles, lord of 7th and 8th, making him a killer. That he brings about effects relating to the 7th house (public, war etc) and 10th house (career, status etc) is understandable, but why would these effects tend to increase one's power, rather than diminish it? And what about Saturn's 8th house effect (considered by some to be more powerful since Aquarius is Saturn's mulatrikona sign)? The rise during the Jupiter sub period is understandable and would have to contribute most of the effect, in my opinion, for his success (if we are to accept that the vimshottari system of prediction works at all). Saturn does however help him get on with affairs of state, as it helps deaden the overall feeling nature, especially in relation to a Virgo Moon as dispositor. When millions of people are sending hateful thoughts to you every day, it doesn't help to be too sensitive, since this would have a tendency to throw you off course and it would make you less likely to send young men who look up to you, to their deaths, in war. This is also a good combination for healing work, i.e. Cancer rising, Saturn in Cancer and Moon in Virgo (I have a friend who has this combo and has worked in a health related field for many years). One needs to have a certain amount of detachment from the feelings to heal people as more sensitive souls would easily become sick by coming in constant contact with ill persons. Moon/Pluto in Cancer is also very good for this. I once asked this exact question regarding Saturn's apparent power when occupying the Ascendant for Cancer rising of Vedic astrologer Chakrapani Ullal. His answer is that Cancer rising as a general rule is the most powerful of all the rising signs and therefore tends to lend power to all planets in the chart. Best, Steve Therese Hamilton wrote: > >From the Jyotish list: > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Question: > “I want to know the basic reason (based on Rasi [natal] chart only) why > Bush had ascended in the dasa of his 8th lord Saturn... I am still > perplexed as I couldn’t find the various possibilities replicable. (posted > by a list member) > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Reply from K.N. Rao (Who by the way gave the wrong prediction for the > recent Indian election along with the majority of Indian astrologers.) > > QUOTE: > The basic principles of interpretations have been summed up in the memory > tablet I have coined PAC posited, aspected and conjunct. > > Saturn is the seventh lord aspecting the seventh and tenth houses and also > the third house. So he has to give results concerning these houses > essentially. Saturn is the seventh lord, so a position giver aspecting his > own house. > > The antardasha [sub period] lord is Jupiter aspecting the seventh house > also aspecting ninth house, his own house so his luck is strong enough. He > is involved in a gajakesari yoga so he has to sit on an elephant (the > throne of USA). So Jupiter also promises position. (If Bush had lost > elections, he would still have attained some position.) > > The seventh house /lord etc. involve a man in power in wars which is why > on 20 Jan 2001 when Bush had taken oath, I had written on this list (nine > months before 11 Sept) that he would involve USA in wars. He waged two wars > against Afghanistan and Iraq. > > Saturn and Jupiter both are aspecting the house of war...So Bush will > continue his war and warlike activities. He will do it with a rare > determination because of the exchange of the lagna [ascendant] and the > third lord in his horoscope...[Moon in Virgo, Mercury in Cancer] > END QUOTE BY K.N. RAO > > (Signed) > Yours, > K.N.Rao. > F-291 Saraswati Kunj, > Patpatganj, > Delhi 110092 > Phones (91-011) 2272-1624/2272-1625 > Distributor of my books in USA > stellargroup > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2004 Report Share Posted November 6, 2004 Hi Steve, Thanks for your reply and explanation. I wasn't putting a stamp of approval on Mr. Rao's statements, especially since they were post-election. Since some list members asked for examples of predictive principles I've been trying to oblige. For me Saturn dasa for Bush is still something of a puzzle. The only explanation seems to be that the sub (bhukti) ruler is much more important than the main period lord. Therese At 02:47 PM 11/5/04 -0800, you wrote: >This answer by Mr. Rao doesn't quite satisfy somehow. > >Saturn is still a bugaboo for Cancer by Vedic principles, lord of 7th and 8th, making >him a killer. That he brings about effects relating to the 7th house (public, war etc) >and 10th house (career, status etc) is understandable, but why would these effects >tend to increase one's power, rather than diminish it? And what about Saturn's 8th >house effect (considered by some to be more powerful since Aquarius is Saturn's >mulatrikona sign)? >The rise during the Jupiter sub period is understandable and would have to contribute >most of the effect, in my opinion, for his success (if we are to accept that the >vimshottari system of prediction works at all). > >Saturn does however help him get on with affairs of state, as it helps deaden the >overall feeling nature, especially in relation to a Virgo Moon as dispositor. When >millions of people are sending hateful thoughts to you every day, it doesn't help to >be too sensitive, since this would have a tendency to throw you off course and it >would make you less likely to send young men who look up to you, to their deaths, in >war. > >This is also a good combination for healing work, i.e. Cancer rising, Saturn in Cancer >and Moon in Virgo (I have a friend who has this combo and has worked in a health >related field for many years). One needs to have a certain amount of detachment from >the feelings to heal people as more sensitive souls would easily become sick by coming >in constant contact with ill persons. Moon/Pluto in Cancer is also very good for this. > >I once asked this exact question regarding Saturn's apparent power when occupying the >Ascendant for Cancer rising of Vedic astrologer Chakrapani Ullal. His answer is that >Cancer rising as a general rule is the most powerful of all the rising signs and >therefore tends to lend power to all planets in the chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2004 Report Share Posted November 6, 2004 Dear Steve, You wrote: >Saturn is still a bugaboo for Cancer by Vedic principles, lord of >7th and 8th, >making >him a killer. That he brings about effects relating to the 7th >house (public, >war etc) From the sun's point of view in G.W. Bush's chart: sun is coniuncted with sirius in canis mayor (The Big Dog), which also is a strong indicator for a killer:Success in business, occupation connected with metals or other martial affairs, domestic harmony. If rising or culminating, kingly preferment. (Robson). This effect is even stronger because his sirius sun is sextile with mars: Well connected, it promises fame, honors and riches. On the Ascendant and with Mars combined, Sirius can be quite dangerous, pushing ahead with too much ambition is then seen, resulting in dangers by injuries or attempts on the native's life. In good aspect with Mars and Jupiter and close to the MC, promise is given of gaining extensive wealth, a lucky hand in commercial enterprise or matters of government. This star so placed is most excellent for military , lawyers and civil servants. Sirius in conjunction with the Sun and well placed in the chart will be found to be the case with numerous important and famous personalities. Possibly, the rise in station is made possible by protection from people of influence. (Ebertin). General influence of the star: According to Ptolemy it is of the nature of Jupiter and Mars and, to Alvidas, of the Moon, Jupiter and Mars. It gives honor, renown, wealth, ardor, faithfulness, devotion, passion and resentment, and makes its natives custodians, curators and guardians. See also: http://www.winshop.com.au/annew/ Greetings, Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2004 Report Share Posted November 6, 2004 Therese and Steve, Saturn's power for career comes from it's position in the 10th house in the D-10 chart, the harmonic chart that denotes career matters. Although it is debilitated in Aries there, its dispositor Mars is exalted and conjunct Jupiter which more than makes up for it. Chris - " Therese Hamilton " <eastwest Saturday, November 06, 2004 12:06 AM Re: Why Bush is President in Saturn Dasa > > Hi Steve, > > Thanks for your reply and explanation. I wasn't putting a stamp of approval > on Mr. Rao's statements, especially since they were post-election. Since > some list members asked for examples of predictive principles I've been > trying to oblige. > > For me Saturn dasa for Bush is still something of a puzzle. The only > explanation seems to be that the sub (bhukti) ruler is much more important > than the main period lord. > > Therese > > At 02:47 PM 11/5/04 -0800, you wrote: > > >This answer by Mr. Rao doesn't quite satisfy somehow. > > > >Saturn is still a bugaboo for Cancer by Vedic principles, lord of 7th and > 8th, making > >him a killer. That he brings about effects relating to the 7th house > (public, war etc) > >and 10th house (career, status etc) is understandable, but why would these > effects > >tend to increase one's power, rather than diminish it? And what about > Saturn's 8th > >house effect (considered by some to be more powerful since Aquarius is > Saturn's > >mulatrikona sign)? > > >The rise during the Jupiter sub period is understandable and would have to > contribute > >most of the effect, in my opinion, for his success (if we are to accept > that the > >vimshottari system of prediction works at all). > > > >Saturn does however help him get on with affairs of state, as it helps > deaden the > >overall feeling nature, especially in relation to a Virgo Moon as > dispositor. When > >millions of people are sending hateful thoughts to you every day, it > doesn't help to > >be too sensitive, since this would have a tendency to throw you off course > and it > >would make you less likely to send young men who look up to you, to their > deaths, in > >war. > > > >This is also a good combination for healing work, i.e. Cancer rising, > Saturn in Cancer > >and Moon in Virgo (I have a friend who has this combo and has worked in a > health > >related field for many years). One needs to have a certain amount of > detachment from > >the feelings to heal people as more sensitive souls would easily become > sick by coming > >in constant contact with ill persons. Moon/Pluto in Cancer is also very > good for this. > > > >I once asked this exact question regarding Saturn's apparent power when > occupying the > >Ascendant for Cancer rising of Vedic astrologer Chakrapani Ullal. His > answer is that > >Cancer rising as a general rule is the most powerful of all the rising > signs and > >therefore tends to lend power to all planets in the chart. > > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2004 Report Share Posted November 6, 2004 Anne, happy to see that you're making use of Anne Wright's site! Therese At 09:49 AM 11/6/04 +0100, you wrote: > >From the sun's point of view in G.W. Bush's chart: sun is coniuncted with sirius in canis mayor (The Big Dog), which also is a strong indicator for a killer:Success in business, occupation connected with metals or other martial affairs, domestic harmony. If rising or culminating, kingly preferment. (Robson)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2004 Report Share Posted November 6, 2004 Chris, you use dispositors in varga charts?? Hmmmm....do you have some more examples? How about Edwards' chart using the 7:02 time? He gave up his senate seat and will be out of a job come January. Therese P.S. to List members: I know this is a western sidereal list, but since we share the zodiac with Jyotish, and there are far more Jyotish astrologers than western sidereal experts, we might as well go with the flow and learn what we can. Jyotish is here to stay. It's inevitable that Jyotish and western siderealism will ultimately mix some of their concepts. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At 09:14 AM 11/6/04 -0500, Chris wrote: > >Saturn's power for career comes from it's position in the 10th house in the >D-10 chart, the harmonic chart that denotes career matters. Although it is >debilitated in Aries there, its dispositor Mars is exalted and conjunct >Jupiter which more than makes up for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2004 Report Share Posted November 6, 2004 Therese, Examples are too numerous to recall here. I use dispositors and degrees when reading these vedic harmonic charts. Without them, you cannot fully understand the potential of a planet in the natal chart. IMO, of course. Chris ps I wish there was more western sidereal astrology expounded here. There are already enough jyotish lists. - " Therese Hamilton " <eastwest Saturday, November 06, 2004 2:48 PM Re: Why Bush is President in Saturn Dasa > > Chris, you use dispositors in varga charts?? Hmmmm....do you have some more > examples? How about Edwards' chart using the 7:02 time? He gave up his > senate seat and will be out of a job come January. > > Therese > > P.S. to List members: I know this is a western sidereal list, but since we > share the zodiac with Jyotish, and there are far more Jyotish astrologers > than western sidereal experts, we might as well go with the flow and learn > what we can. Jyotish is here to stay. It's inevitable that Jyotish and > western siderealism will ultimately mix some of their concepts. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > At 09:14 AM 11/6/04 -0500, Chris wrote: > > > >Saturn's power for career comes from it's position in the 10th house in the > >D-10 chart, the harmonic chart that denotes career matters. Although it is > >debilitated in Aries there, its dispositor Mars is exalted and conjunct > >Jupiter which more than makes up for it. > > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 Anne wrote: > Dear Steve, > > >From the sun's point of view in G.W. Bush's chart: sun is coniuncted > with sirius in canis mayor (The Big Dog), which also is a strong > indicator for a killer:Success in business, occupation connected with > metals or other martial affairs, domestic harmony. If rising or > culminating, kingly preferment. (Robson). Hi Anne, Does this mean that the Sun becomes a killer in the same sense that Saturn gets a killer or maraka status, or does it mean that persons with the Sun conjoined to Sirius can become killers? > > > This effect is even stronger because his sirius sun is sextile with > mars: > Well connected, it promises fame, honors and riches. On the Ascendant > and with Mars combined, Sirius can be quite dangerous, pushing ahead > with too much ambition is then seen, resulting in dangers by injuries > or attempts on the native's life. In good aspect with Mars and Jupiter > and close to the MC, promise is given of gaining extensive wealth, a > lucky hand in commercial enterprise or matters of government. This > star so placed is most excellent for military , lawyers and civil > servants. Sirius in conjunction with the Sun and well placed in the > chart will be found to be the case with numerous important and famous > personalities. Possibly, the rise in station is made possible by > protection from people of influence. (Ebertin). > > General influence of the star: According to Ptolemy it is of the > nature of Jupiter and Mars and, to Alvidas, of the Moon, Jupiter and > Mars. It gives honor, renown, wealth, ardor, faithfulness, devotion, > passion and resentment, and makes its natives custodians, curators and > guardians. Thanks for the info and the link--I just took a class today with Bernadette Brady on eclipses, but unfortuneately missed her class on fixed stars. Are you or others familiar with her work? Best, Steve > > > > See also: http://www.winshop.com.au/annew/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 Hi All I swore I was going to just lurk, but I gotta add a little here. Chris, congrats on the article and the election call. For Edwards, I thing the new time works. It doesn't change his chart much but puts Puarvasu on the ASC rather than Ardra and that is reflective of his " image " He may be out of a job, but he is now a powerful Dem when the party really needs fresh blood. He and Obama are sure to figure prominantly next run. Edwards' chart looks great for Inauguration day. Suggests good results from his wife's cancer treatment. It suggests too that he will be asked to work with the Dem party. The Al Gore / Michael Moore act didn't win. Perhaps the need to separate " choice " from partial birth abortion before the two are seen even more as one and that goes up for change too. The Dem party is the party of the future now if only because of the demographics: The republicans are typically older and white therefore dying out sooner than the Dems. I don't think there was any big fraud except to keep Dems really PO'd for another 4 years. That was not successful this time. The interesting thing about W. and I'll blame it on that Moon Jupiter in Chitra union.....when the Dems came out with something nasty it seemed to blow up. The 60 minutes fiasco and the OBL tape interpreted as a threat and endorsement of Kerry didn't help Kerry at all. Bill Clinton who is charismatic had a heart attack and wasn't able to lend his charm to Kerry...But Kerry failed to let the people know who he is. Perhaps that is the overall Pluto theme of his candidacy....I don't know. He had poor advisers that is the real " fraud " for Kerry. I suspect that had he apologized to the Viet Nam Vets whom he legitimately hurt and had he come out and made himself accessible he would have fared better. As it is, he made a heck of a run. Kerry's basic transits on election day were better than W's but that couldn't push him over. I'm sad that 100s of millions of $$$ were spent to divide the electorate. The good news: People are a lot calmer (for the most part) than I thought. The aspects the first half of this month are nasty. I wonder is there will be some sort of protest on the 11th and 12th. Just musing and also do understand the anger and frustration. The blessing and curse of a democracy: sometimes the other guys win. just musing c Christopher Kevill [christopher.kevill] Saturday, November 06, 2004 3:07 PM Re: Re: Why Bush is President in Saturn Dasa Therese, Examples are too numerous to recall here. I use dispositors and degrees when reading these vedic harmonic charts. Without them, you cannot fully understand the potential of a planet in the natal chart. IMO, of course. Chris ps I wish there was more western sidereal astrology expounded here. There are already enough jyotish lists. - " Therese Hamilton " <eastwest Saturday, November 06, 2004 2:48 PM Re: Why Bush is President in Saturn Dasa > > Chris, you use dispositors in varga charts?? Hmmmm....do you have some more > examples? How about Edwards' chart using the 7:02 time? He gave up his > senate seat and will be out of a job come January. > > Therese > > P.S. to List members: I know this is a western sidereal list, but since we > share the zodiac with Jyotish, and there are far more Jyotish astrologers > than western sidereal experts, we might as well go with the flow and learn > what we can. Jyotish is here to stay. It's inevitable that Jyotish and > western siderealism will ultimately mix some of their concepts. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > At 09:14 AM 11/6/04 -0500, Chris wrote: > > > >Saturn's power for career comes from it's position in the 10th house in the > >D-10 chart, the harmonic chart that denotes career matters. Although it is > >debilitated in Aries there, its dispositor Mars is exalted and conjunct > >Jupiter which more than makes up for it. > > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 Hi Steve, That is what I meant, yes. Reading more about sirius coniuncted with other planets at Anne wright's website can give more insight about how to interprete sirius. There is also a link to interprete the canis major. Greetings, Anne - Steven Stuckey Sunday, November 07, 2004 1:04 AM Re: Why Bush is President in Saturn Dasa Anne wrote: > Dear Steve, > > >From the sun's point of view in G.W. Bush's chart: sun is coniuncted > with sirius in canis mayor (The Big Dog), which also is a strong > indicator for a killer:Success in business, occupation connected with > metals or other martial affairs, domestic harmony. If rising or > culminating, kingly preferment. (Robson). Hi Anne, Does this mean that the Sun becomes a killer in the same sense that Saturn gets a killer or maraka status, or does it mean that persons with the Sun conjoined to Sirius can become killers? > > > This effect is even stronger because his sirius sun is sextile with > mars: > Well connected, it promises fame, honors and riches. On the Ascendant > and with Mars combined, Sirius can be quite dangerous, pushing ahead > with too much ambition is then seen, resulting in dangers by injuries > or attempts on the native's life. In good aspect with Mars and Jupiter > and close to the MC, promise is given of gaining extensive wealth, a > lucky hand in commercial enterprise or matters of government. This > star so placed is most excellent for military , lawyers and civil > servants. Sirius in conjunction with the Sun and well placed in the > chart will be found to be the case with numerous important and famous > personalities. Possibly, the rise in station is made possible by > protection from people of influence. (Ebertin). > > General influence of the star: According to Ptolemy it is of the > nature of Jupiter and Mars and, to Alvidas, of the Moon, Jupiter and > Mars. It gives honor, renown, wealth, ardor, faithfulness, devotion, > passion and resentment, and makes its natives custodians, curators and > guardians. Thanks for the info and the link--I just took a class today with Bernadette Brady on eclipses, but unfortuneately missed her class on fixed stars. Are you or others familiar with her work? Best, Steve > > > > See also: http://www.winshop.com.au/annew/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 Why do I have the suspicion that these dasas could be switched all around when nobody was in the room and nobody would know the difference when they returned. Dark*Star > > Here is an historical list of US presidents by dasa: > > 42#Bill Clinton Ju-Ju/Sa/Me/Ke/Ve > 16Abraham Lincoln Ju-Ma/Ra+Sa-Sa > 10John Tyler Ju-Mo/Ma/Ra > 1George Washington Ju-Ra+Sa-Sa/Me/Ke/Ve > 15James Buchanan Ju-Ra, Sa-Sa/Me > 12Zachary Taylor Ju-Sa > 5James Monroe Ju-Sa/Me/Ke/Ve/Su > 39James Earl Carter Ke-Ve/Su/Mo/Ma/Ra/Ju/Sa > 3Thomas Jefferson Ma-Sa//Mo+Ra-Ra/Ju > 26Theodore Roosevelt Me-Ju/Sa+Ke-Ke/Ve/Su/Mo/ > 34Dwight D. Eisenhower Me-Mo/Ma/Ra/Ju/Sa > 32Franklin D. Roosevelt Me-Mo/Ma/Ra/Ju/Sa+Ke > 33Harry S. Truman Me-Sa+Ke(all)+Ve-Ve > 41George HW Bush Me-Ve/Su/Mo/Ma/Ra > 38Gerald Ford Mo-Ju/Sa/Me > 31Herbert Hoover Mo-Ju/Sa/Me > *8Martin Vanburen Ra-Ju/Sa/Me > 29Warren G. Harding Ra-Ke/Ve > 2John Adams Ra-Ke/Ve > 35John F. Kennedy Ra-Ma+Ju-Ju/Sa/Me > 21Chester Alan Arthur Ra-Me/Ke/Ve > 36Lyndon Baines Johnson Ra-Mo/Ma+Ju-Ju/Sa > 14Franklin Pierce Ra-Ra/Ju > *22+24Grover Cleveland Ra-Ra/Ju/Sa > 17William Howard Taft Ra-Ra/Ju/Sa > 20James Abram Garfield Ra-Sa > 37Richard Nixon Sa-Ju+Me-Me/Ke/Ve > 9William Henry Harrison Sa-Ke > 43George W Bush Sa-Ma/Ra/Ju > 40-2Ronald Reagan Sa-Ma/Ra/Ju+Me-Me/Ke/Ve > 17Andrew Johnson Sa-Me/Ke/Ve > 28-2Woodrow Wilson Sa-Me/Ke/Ve/Su/Mo > 6John Quincy Adams Sa-Sa/Ke/Me > 13Millard Fillmore Sa-Sa/Me > 23Benjamin Harrison Sa-Ve/Su/Mo/Ma > 7-2Andrew Jackson Sa-Ve/Su/Mo/Ma/Ra/Ju > 4James Madison Ve-Sa/Me/Ke+Su-Su-Mo-Ma-Ra > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 Dark Star wrote: >Why do I have the suspicion that these dasas could be switched all >around when nobody was in the room and nobody would know the >difference when they returned. > >Dark*Star > > > > > >>Here is an historical list of US presidents by dasa: >> >>42#Bill Clinton Ju-Ju/Sa/Me/Ke/Ve >>16Abraham Lincoln Ju-Ma/Ra+Sa-Sa >>10John Tyler Ju-Mo/Ma/Ra >>1George Washington Ju-Ra+Sa-Sa/Me/Ke/Ve >>15James Buchanan Ju-Ra, Sa-Sa/Me >>12Zachary Taylor Ju-Sa >>5James Monroe Ju-Sa/Me/Ke/Ve/Su >>39James Earl Carter Ke-Ve/Su/Mo/Ma/Ra/Ju/Sa >>3Thomas Jefferson Ma-Sa//Mo+Ra-Ra/Ju >>26Theodore Roosevelt Me-Ju/Sa+Ke-Ke/Ve/Su/Mo/ >>34Dwight D. Eisenhower Me-Mo/Ma/Ra/Ju/Sa >>32Franklin D. Roosevelt Me-Mo/Ma/Ra/Ju/Sa+Ke >>33Harry S. Truman Me-Sa+Ke(all)+Ve-Ve >>41George HW Bush Me-Ve/Su/Mo/Ma/Ra >>38Gerald Ford Mo-Ju/Sa/Me >>31Herbert Hoover Mo-Ju/Sa/Me >>*8Martin Vanburen Ra-Ju/Sa/Me >>29Warren G. Harding Ra-Ke/Ve >>2John Adams Ra-Ke/Ve >>35John F. Kennedy Ra-Ma+Ju-Ju/Sa/Me >>21Chester Alan Arthur Ra-Me/Ke/Ve >>36Lyndon Baines Johnson Ra-Mo/Ma+Ju-Ju/Sa >>14Franklin Pierce Ra-Ra/Ju >>*22+24Grover Cleveland Ra-Ra/Ju/Sa >>17William Howard Taft Ra-Ra/Ju/Sa >>20James Abram Garfield Ra-Sa >>37Richard Nixon Sa-Ju+Me-Me/Ke/Ve >>9William Henry Harrison Sa-Ke >>43George W Bush Sa-Ma/Ra/Ju >>40-2Ronald Reagan Sa-Ma/Ra/Ju+Me-Me/Ke/Ve >>17Andrew Johnson Sa-Me/Ke/Ve >>28-2Woodrow Wilson Sa-Me/Ke/Ve/Su/Mo >>6John Quincy Adams Sa-Sa/Ke/Me >>13Millard Fillmore Sa-Sa/Me >>23Benjamin Harrison Sa-Ve/Su/Mo/Ma >>7-2Andrew Jackson Sa-Ve/Su/Mo/Ma/Ra/Ju >>4James Madison Ve-Sa/Me/Ke+Su-Su-Mo-Ma-Ra >> >> >> >____________________ > > My suspicion is that the Daasa system was originally spacial and only later became strictly a time function. Bradley and Eshalman did some work on this but it never wend forward. What if the system is seen as strictly spacial? Bert Fannin > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 Great Grins! Dashas are very helpful, but the way I use them is to actually ask the client questions to see how he or she personally...not textbook...responds to the transits of the dasha ruler. In W's case, he has a very public history of struggling during SAturn transits then coming through them. In fact, I often use him as an example of how to work with Saturn rather than surrender to it and moan. Will he survive the next term? Hard to say, astrologers are already predicting his demise, but that happens with every election. Kerry's chart sure seems to be hit hard on Inauguration day. Guess we now understand it. smiles c Dark Star [pansophia] Sunday, November 07, 2004 3:16 AM Re: Re: Why Bush is President in Saturn Dasa Why do I have the suspicion that these dasas could be switched all around when nobody was in the room and nobody would know the difference when they returned. Dark*Star > > Here is an historical list of US presidents by dasa: > > 42#Bill Clinton Ju-Ju/Sa/Me/Ke/Ve > 16Abraham Lincoln Ju-Ma/Ra+Sa-Sa > 10John Tyler Ju-Mo/Ma/Ra > 1George Washington Ju-Ra+Sa-Sa/Me/Ke/Ve > 15James Buchanan Ju-Ra, Sa-Sa/Me > 12Zachary Taylor Ju-Sa > 5James Monroe Ju-Sa/Me/Ke/Ve/Su > 39James Earl Carter Ke-Ve/Su/Mo/Ma/Ra/Ju/Sa > 3Thomas Jefferson Ma-Sa//Mo+Ra-Ra/Ju > 26Theodore Roosevelt Me-Ju/Sa+Ke-Ke/Ve/Su/Mo/ > 34Dwight D. Eisenhower Me-Mo/Ma/Ra/Ju/Sa > 32Franklin D. Roosevelt Me-Mo/Ma/Ra/Ju/Sa+Ke > 33Harry S. Truman Me-Sa+Ke(all)+Ve-Ve > 41George HW Bush Me-Ve/Su/Mo/Ma/Ra > 38Gerald Ford Mo-Ju/Sa/Me > 31Herbert Hoover Mo-Ju/Sa/Me > *8Martin Vanburen Ra-Ju/Sa/Me > 29Warren G. Harding Ra-Ke/Ve > 2John Adams Ra-Ke/Ve > 35John F. Kennedy Ra-Ma+Ju-Ju/Sa/Me > 21Chester Alan Arthur Ra-Me/Ke/Ve > 36Lyndon Baines Johnson Ra-Mo/Ma+Ju-Ju/Sa > 14Franklin Pierce Ra-Ra/Ju > *22+24Grover Cleveland Ra-Ra/Ju/Sa > 17William Howard Taft Ra-Ra/Ju/Sa > 20James Abram Garfield Ra-Sa > 37Richard Nixon Sa-Ju+Me-Me/Ke/Ve > 9William Henry Harrison Sa-Ke > 43George W Bush Sa-Ma/Ra/Ju > 40-2Ronald Reagan Sa-Ma/Ra/Ju+Me-Me/Ke/Ve > 17Andrew Johnson Sa-Me/Ke/Ve > 28-2Woodrow Wilson Sa-Me/Ke/Ve/Su/Mo > 6John Quincy Adams Sa-Sa/Ke/Me > 13Millard Fillmore Sa-Sa/Me > 23Benjamin Harrison Sa-Ve/Su/Mo/Ma > 7-2Andrew Jackson Sa-Ve/Su/Mo/Ma/Ra/Ju > 4James Madison Ve-Sa/Me/Ke+Su-Su-Mo-Ma-Ra > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner Shortcut URL to this page: / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 Dark Star wrote: > > Why do I have the suspicion that these dasas could be switched all > around when nobody was in the room and nobody would know the > difference when they returned. Dark Star, Yes, this is commonly referred to in the ancient texts as " the dasha dance " . :>)) An old friend and astrologer once taught me that at the most infinitesimal level, one breath in would be a sub, sub, sub, sub, sub......period, say for instance, Rahu, and the next breath out would be Jupiter etc. You can bet I was doing some heavy breathing during my bad karmic periods.. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 Steven Stuckey wrote: > >Dark Star wrote: > > > >>Why do I have the suspicion that these dasas could be switched all >>around when nobody was in the room and nobody would know the >>difference when they returned. >> >> > >Dark Star, > >Yes, this is commonly referred to in the ancient texts as " the dasha >dance " . :>)) > >An old friend and astrologer once taught me that at the most >infinitesimal level, one breath in would be a sub, sub, sub, sub, >sub......period, say for instance, Rahu, and the next breath out would >be Jupiter etc. >You can bet I was doing some heavy breathing during my bad karmic >periods.. >___________________ > >Steve: > > Breath is the very key to our existence. Keep breathing, in and out, in good daasas and in bad! ;-) Namasti, Bert Fannin > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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