[Fwd: [PoliticalAstrology] Fwd: On prediction ~ from John Frawley]

[Guest guest]

This forwarded from the political Astrology list. Any comments? :-)

 

--\

--

A NOTE ON PREDICTION

 

There are various reasons for the failure of predictions from the

natal chart. One, of course, is the use of bizarre techniques (no,

the US election did not hinge on the movements of Sedna, as I have

seen claimed!) or errors in the use of sound techniques. One is the

inability to see beyond the astrologer's wishful thinking. Another is

the failure to think clearly about what the charts need to show in

order for a prediction to be made. That is my point here.

 

I am referring here to predictions from the natal charts; I am not

referring to predictions made by anyone in particular; I have not

looked at the nativities of Bush & Kerry myself, and so do not know

what is or isn't there.

 

Although the election was a race between B & K, which Bush won and

Kerry lost, so far as the unfolding of their lives is concerned, and

hence so far as what their birthcharts will show,

* Kerry did not lose; he failed to win

* Bush did not win; he avoided losing.

 

Unless Kerry runs again and wins, this will be the most successful

day of his life. Coming within a state of being US president is some

achievement. A few months ago hardly anyone had heard of him; now he

was on every TV in the world. We should expect to see some powerful

positive testimonies in his chart.

 

For Bush, the situation has remained as it was. He was president

already: we should not expect to find testimonies of triumph in his

chart. As long as there are no powerful testimonies of defeat (or of

him moving house), he will stay in office.

 

It is not necessary even to look at Kerry's chart if Bush's does not

show defeat. No matter how glorious might be the testimonies in

Kerry's, if Bush is still in office Kerry will not become president -

any more than glorious testimonies in six months' time will make him

president.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sounds like the guy doesn't fully understand what winning and losing mean.

Let me guess... he predicted Kerry?

 

Chris

 

 

 

-

" Therese Hamilton " <eastwest

 

Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:39 PM

[Fwd: [PoliticalAstrology] Fwd: On prediction

~ from John Frawley]

 

 

>

> From Bert Fannin, NOvember 9, 2004

>

> This forwarded from the political Astrology list. Any comments? :-)

>

> --------

--

> ------

> A NOTE ON PREDICTION

>

> There are various reasons for the failure of predictions from the

> natal chart. One, of course, is the use of bizarre techniques (no,

> the US election did not hinge on the movements of Sedna, as I have

> seen claimed!) or errors in the use of sound techniques. One is the

> inability to see beyond the astrologer's wishful thinking. Another is

> the failure to think clearly about what the charts need to show in

> order for a prediction to be made. That is my point here.

>

> I am referring here to predictions from the natal charts; I am not

> referring to predictions made by anyone in particular; I have not

> looked at the nativities of Bush & Kerry myself, and so do not know

> what is or isn't there.

>

> Although the election was a race between B & K, which Bush won and

> Kerry lost, so far as the unfolding of their lives is concerned, and

> hence so far as what their birthcharts will show,

>

> * Kerry did not lose; he failed to win

> * Bush did not win; he avoided losing.

>

> Unless Kerry runs again and wins, this will be the most successful

> day of his life. Coming within one state of being US president is some

> achievement. A few months ago hardly anyone had heard of him; now he

> was on every TV in the world. We should expect to see some powerful

> positive testimonies in his chart.

>

> For Bush, the situation has remained as it was. He was president

> already: we should not expect to find testimonies of triumph in his

> chart. As long as there are no powerful testimonies of defeat (or of

> him moving house), he will stay in office.

>

> It is not necessary even to look at Kerry's chart if Bush's does not

> show defeat. No matter how glorious might be the testimonies in

> Kerry's, if Bush is still in office Kerry will not become president -

> any more than glorious testimonies in six months' time will make him

> president.

" How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " -----

>

> Post message:

> Subscribe: -

> Un: -

> List owner: -owner

>

> Shortcut URL to this page:

> /

>

[Guest guest]

Christopher Kevill wrote:

 

> Sounds like the guy doesn't fully understand what winning and losing

> mean.

> Let me guess... he predicted Kerry?

 

Hi Chris,

 

If I understand him correctly (and I thought I was confused *before*

reading his article) he has never looked at the nativity's of Bush or

Kerry (something of a record for a modern western astrologer).

Nevertheless, he is confident (when he does look at their birth charts)

that they will show:

Kerry really didn't loose, he just didn't win and Bush really didn't

win, he just didn't loose.

To make this a bit more clear: Kerry didn't win but he also didn't loose

and Bush didn't loose but he also didn't win.

 

He seems to have made a prediction though and that is, if Kerry does not

run again, his loosing to Bush by one state will be the most successful

day of his life--or in other words, it's all down hill from here on out

for Kerry. I'm just glad no one has ever mentioned that my best days are

behind me--it might make me feel a bit like a

looooooosssssseeeeeer!

 

 

 

Steve

 

>