Scott Peterson

November 10, 2004

Dear members,

I've seen only a couple of comments on Scott Peterson on other lists and

I believe the general consensus is that either Scott will be acquitted

or it will be a hung jury.

My feeling, after looking at a number of charts, is that Scott will be

found guilty of murder in the first degree and the jury will return the

verdict on Nov 13th.

If this happens, I'll put out my reasoning behind this prediction.

Best,

Steve

November 10, 2004

Steven Stuckey wrote:

>Dear members,

>

>I've seen only a couple of comments on Scott Peterson on other lists and

>I believe the general consensus is that either Scott will be acquitted

>or it will be a hung jury.

>

>My feeling, after looking at a number of charts, is that Scott will be

>found guilty of murder in the first degree and the jury will return the

>verdict on Nov 13th.

>

>If this happens, I'll put out my reasoning behind this prediction.

>

>Best,

>_____________________________\

_

>Steve:

>

Upon which set of chart is this prediction based? I have not

been following that legal side-show, so I do not have opinion. But when

some one says " a number of charts " , my first response is which set of

charts?

Here is a question. When can the proceedings be said to begin? It

might be looked at as an election. That is, with the eastern quad as the

defendant and the western quad as the prosecution. I don't say this is

so, it is just an idea based on Bradley model of contests.

Bert

>

November 10, 2004

Bert Fannin wrote:

> >>

> Upon which set of chart is this prediction based? I have not

> been following that legal side-show, so I do not have opinion. But

> when

> some one says " a number of charts " , my first response is which set of

> charts?

Hi Bert,

I'll be glad to put this out a bit later today

Best,

Steve

November 10, 2004

Steve

That's an interesting prediction given that most commentators don't

foresee the 1st degree/worse case scenario for Peterson.

I will be paying attention.

Chris

, Steven Stuckey

<shastrakara@s...> wrote:

>

> Bert Fannin wrote:

>

> > >>

> > Upon which set of chart is this prediction based? I have

not

> > been following that legal side-show, so I do not have opinion. But

> > when

> > some one says " a number of charts " , my first response is which

set of

> > charts?

>

> Hi Bert,

>

> I'll be glad to put this out a bit later today

>

> Best,

>

> Steve

>

November 10, 2004

Predictions of the future aside, can anyone tell for sure whether or not SP

done it? It's a fairly weird chart (Neptune right on asc opposed by Saturn,

asc ruler Mars sandwiched between Pluto and Uranus, Sun in its fall in the

12th, Moon aspected by Saturn and Neptune)... but is there anything that

specifically says he whacked his wife?

.... Bettina

Steven Stuckey [shastrakara]

Tuesday, November 09, 2004 11:57 PM

Scott Peterson

Dear members,

I've seen only a couple of comments on Scott Peterson on other lists and

I believe the general consensus is that either Scott will be acquitted

or it will be a hung jury.

My feeling, after looking at a number of charts, is that Scott will be

found guilty of murder in the first degree and the jury will return the

verdict on Nov 13th.

If this happens, I'll put out my reasoning behind this prediction.

Best,

Steve

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November 10, 2004

Bettina wrote:

>Predictions of the future aside, can anyone tell for sure whether or not SP

>done it? It's a fairly weird chart (Neptune right on asc opposed by Saturn,

>asc ruler Mars sandwiched between Pluto and Uranus, Sun in its fall in the

>12th, Moon aspected by Saturn and Neptune)... but is there anything that

>specifically says he whacked his wife?

>

______________________________

>Bettina:

>

Which chart are you referring to? SP's natal, the event or the court

proceedings. Forgive me, I am a bit unclear as to the concept. :-[

>Bert

>

November 11, 2004

Bettina wrote:

> Predictions of the future aside, can anyone tell for sure whether or

> not SP

> done it? It's a fairly weird chart (Neptune right on asc opposed by

> Saturn,

> asc ruler Mars sandwiched between Pluto and Uranus, Sun in its fall in

> the

> 12th, Moon aspected by Saturn and Neptune)... but is there anything

> that

> specifically says he whacked his wife?

>

> ...

Hi Bettina,

There are a couple of things that have pointed me in the direction of

Scott as the murderer, but these are somewhat unconventional.

The first is the 8th cusp of Laci's last lunar return of Dec 9, 2002.

Here I am using Porphyry cusps and get 7 Libra (Fagan). This degree is

Scott's natal Sun degree.

The 8th house of course can show the cause or manner of death.

When Laci disappeared, I put out a prediction before her body was found,

that she was indeed dead and had died from a severe injury to the throat

or by strangulation.

This prediction was made by reading her Solar Return from the Sun (we

didn't know her exact time then).

In the second house from the Sun were Merc, Venus, Mars, Saturn and Rahu

in Taurus.

Mars and Saturn were both in 19 Taurus. Close by were Rahu at 23 and in

opposition was Pluto at 22 Scorpio.

On Dec 23/24, 2002 (the time of Laci's disappearance) the transiting

Mars was at 19 Libra, or in exact quincunx or 8th house aspect to the

solar Mars/Saturn.

Since this affliction fell in the 2nd solar house and was in Taurus, I

surmised a severe injury to the throat.

In the actual return using the correct time, this combination falls

almost precisely on the angles (MC/IC) which were at 18Sco/18Tau.

One of the conclusions I gleaned from this was that Laci was probably

killed on the 23rd/24th and not at a later time.

Also, Scott's transits for the murder look fairly innocuous, and don't

appear to involve a fight or strong expression of emotion. Looking back

to around Dec 1st however, shows a tight Moon/Mars/Venus in Libra near

exact in quincunx to the natal Moon at the 7th cusp while the transiting

Mercury/Pluto are opposed to natal Saturn. This was just a week prior to

his buying the boat.

If Scott was the murderer, then I feel the plot was hatched around this

time and later carried out with cold precision on the 23rd or 24th.

Best,

Steve

November 11, 2004

Thanks, Steve. With an afflicted Neptune right on the asc, I'm wondering if

Scott is subject to demonic possession. He looks so absolutely flat and

emotionally empty ... like there's no there there.

.... Bettina

Steven Stuckey [shastrakara]

Thursday, November 11, 2004 1:29 AM

Re: Scott Peterson

Bettina wrote:

> Predictions of the future aside, can anyone tell for sure whether or

> not SP

> done it? It's a fairly weird chart (Neptune right on asc opposed by

> Saturn,

> asc ruler Mars sandwiched between Pluto and Uranus, Sun in its fall in

> the

> 12th, Moon aspected by Saturn and Neptune)... but is there anything

> that

> specifically says he whacked his wife?

>

> ...

Hi Bettina,

There are a couple of things that have pointed me in the direction of

Scott as the murderer, but these are somewhat unconventional.

The first is the 8th cusp of Laci's last lunar return of Dec 9, 2002.

Here I am using Porphyry cusps and get 7 Libra (Fagan). This degree is

Scott's natal Sun degree.

The 8th house of course can show the cause or manner of death.

When Laci disappeared, I put out a prediction before her body was found,

that she was indeed dead and had died from a severe injury to the throat

or by strangulation.

This prediction was made by reading her Solar Return from the Sun (we

didn't know her exact time then).

In the second house from the Sun were Merc, Venus, Mars, Saturn and Rahu

in Taurus.

Mars and Saturn were both in 19 Taurus. Close by were Rahu at 23 and in

opposition was Pluto at 22 Scorpio.

On Dec 23/24, 2002 (the time of Laci's disappearance) the transiting

Mars was at 19 Libra, or in exact quincunx or 8th house aspect to the

solar Mars/Saturn.

Since this affliction fell in the 2nd solar house and was in Taurus, I

surmised a severe injury to the throat.

In the actual return using the correct time, this combination falls

almost precisely on the angles (MC/IC) which were at 18Sco/18Tau.

One of the conclusions I gleaned from this was that Laci was probably

killed on the 23rd/24th and not at a later time.

Also, Scott's transits for the murder look fairly innocuous, and don't

appear to involve a fight or strong expression of emotion. Looking back

to around Dec 1st however, shows a tight Moon/Mars/Venus in Libra near

exact in quincunx to the natal Moon at the 7th cusp while the transiting

Mercury/Pluto are opposed to natal Saturn. This was just a week prior to

his buying the boat.

If Scott was the murderer, then I feel the plot was hatched around this

time and later carried out with cold precision on the 23rd or 24th.

Best,

Steve

November 11, 2004

Bettina wrote:

> Thanks, Steve. With an afflicted Neptune right on the asc, I'm

> wondering if

> Scott is subject to demonic possession. He looks so absolutely flat

> and

> emotionally empty ... like there's no there there.

>

Hi Bettina,

I don't know, but Neptune can perhaps open the doorway....

There is a certain lethargy that is easy to read--I would link this to

the Mars to Asc/Neptune/Moon by semisquare/sesquisquare.

One of the combinations or 'yogas' for being possessed by spirits from

the Hindu texts involves Moon/Saturn/Rahu in Scorpio in the Asc.

I once met a student that had come to class with this exact combination

and she had a very strange look in her eyes.

I asked her if she ever 'saw' things that were normally invisible. She

responded by pointing out a ghost in the room and said she saw these

things all the time.

Charles Manson has a combinatin of this in his natal 10th

house--Moon/Rahu/Saturn in Capricorn. Although the Saturn is wide to the

combination, the Moon/Rahu is exact and squares the Asc closely.

Tropical astrologers always pointed to his stellium of planets in

Scorpio for his intense and crazed stare, and I always wondered where he

got this 'possessed' look with all his 'nice' sidereal planets in Libra.

Best,

Steve

November 11, 2004

>

> Steve wrote:

>

> There are a couple of things that have pointed me in the direction of

> Scott as the murderer, but these are somewhat unconventional.

Hi again Bettina,

What I missed saying about Scott was that in Laci's Solar Return for

2002, the transiting Mars at the time of death on Dec 23/24 was in exact

opposition by degree to the natal Sun as well as exact by quincunx to

the solar Mars/Saturn conjunction.

I would take Mars here as a representative of the murderer. Since Mars

was in Libra, it carries the idea of Mars and Venus or Aries/Scorpio and

Libra/Taurus.

Therefore I might be looking for a signature for the murderer with these

signs/planets constituting his or her personal points.

In Scott's case of course with Scorpio rising, Libra Sun and Taurus

Moon, he fulfills this requirement.

Best,

Steve

November 11, 2004

Thanks Steve for your detailed analysis and breakdown of both Scott and Laci's

charts.

With the setup of Scott's chart as you have explained and Bettina has comment on

- putting astrology aside - clinical psychiatry would say that Scott has an

affect disorder. Commonly known as Borderline Personality Disorder To go

further with the way Scott's chart is set up and his Neptune right on Asc with

a moon. rahu and saturn involvement - he is more likely displaying the full tilt

of the disorder in Psychopathic behavior - whether learned or ingrained in his

genetics. And, his parents have known it for quite some time.

I am not blaming the parents - I am just saying that parents know somethings not

quite right with their kids even if they don't want to admit it out loud. I am

going to guess though that the family dynamics of possible sociopathic behavior

which is where one feels they are above the law and will lie, cheat and steel

has played a part in Scott's environment. And, he has taken it to the next step

of a detached, indifferent criminal psychopathic level of intent.

That is a blunt and brutal assumption but I feel a real possibility given his

chart breakdown and his behavior these last 24 months. Also, if one would

remember this is not the first time he has been questioned and followed for the

disappearance of at least one student on campus while he was in college. I am

sure if one were to know his childhood that there was probably a lot of secrecy

and indifference to many things besides his out and out lying to his parents and

others.

Too, that is why I feel it was his mother who was trying to protect him and

scurry him out of the country with a disguise and money. And, look at the

mother - carrying the burden of years of some kind of unrest. She is the one

wearing the oxygen mask for debilitating emphysema. Everyone else in the family

looks healthy and just find. And she is the one who is not afraid to confront

the media in protection of her son. I can't get over the news reel last week

where the mother was being cautioned by her daughter " " not to throw her pearls

to the swine " meaning the news media when her lay ed back husband casually

approaches their car on the drivers side saying very flatly " when been told not

to say anything " as he is getting into the car. In the meantime, daughter is

still trying to get Mom in the car. Pictures are worth a thousand words.

Back to astrology, I think you have nailed it right on the head, Steve.

Debra

Steven Stuckey <shastrakara wrote:

Bettina wrote:

> Thanks, Steve. With an afflicted Neptune right on the asc, I'm

> wondering if

> Scott is subject to demonic possession. He looks so absolutely flat

> and

> emotionally empty ... like there's no there there.

>

Hi Bettina,

I don't know, but Neptune can perhaps open the doorway....

There is a certain lethargy that is easy to read--I would link this to

the Mars to Asc/Neptune/Moon by semisquare/sesquisquare.

One of the combinations or 'yogas' for being possessed by spirits from

the Hindu texts involves Moon/Saturn/Rahu in Scorpio in the Asc.

I once met a student that had come to class with this exact combination

and she had a very strange look in her eyes.

I asked her if she ever 'saw' things that were normally invisible. She

responded by pointing out a ghost in the room and said she saw these

things all the time.

Charles Manson has a combinatin of this in his natal 10th

house--Moon/Rahu/Saturn in Capricorn. Although the Saturn is wide to the

combination, the Moon/Rahu is exact and squares the Asc closely.

Tropical astrologers always pointed to his stellium of planets in

Scorpio for his intense and crazed stare, and I always wondered where he

got this 'possessed' look with all his 'nice' sidereal planets in Libra.

Best,

Steve

November 12, 2004

Hi Bettina,

Laci having Uranus in the 7th and Pluto at the 7th square Saturn

especially opposite Jupiter => her husband will kill her. His

SSR provided the Mars upon her Pluto and SMR the Sun

squaring them to do so. I like Steve's neck reading here.

What is so scary about Scott is his Mars-Uranus 45 Neptune-ASC.

Those two even square Ketu Moon Gemini 8th so he can strangle

off his wife's breathing. Also the wife's body will bloat to the surface.

Little Conner is the square to the 5th Placidian cusp. Hidden in the

12th the baby floats too, in the preserving amniotic fluid of Neptune.

Should you ever be called to jury duty and don't want to sit, just

tell the judge you are privy to other realities. Or carry around a

6 inch bundle of New York Times.

Dark*Star

_________________________________

Bettina wrote:

> Predictions of the future aside, can anyone tell for sure whether or not SP

> done it? It's a fairly weird chart (Neptune right on asc opposed by Saturn,

> asc ruler Mars sandwiched between Pluto and Uranus, Sun in its fall in the

> 12th, Moon aspected by Saturn and Neptune)... but is there anything that

> specifically says he whacked his wife?

>

> ... Bettina

>

November 12, 2004

Hi DS, Steve, and Debra ...

All good comments. Yes, DS, that Pluto and Saturn affliction to asc. and

asc. ruler in the natal is not good for longevity. Also, Laci's 7th ruler

Mercury is cnj. Ketu and squared by Mars... so something would be not quite

right with the marriage partner. Also, the Navamsa Mars and Pluto cross over

to that natal Mercury.

At the time of her death, transiting Saturn was right on Laci's Venus

(problems with partnerships and love), Uranus was cnj. Moon (emotional shock

and upset) and, as you already pointed out, Steve, Mars was in op. to her

natal (and of course SR) Sun. I'm wondering if she had found out about the

affair and her whole world was turned upside down. Then he might have

decided to kill her to avoid the embarrasment of a divorce and being exposed

to friends and family who seemed to think he was Mr. Wonderful. More

sympathy for a widower than for an unfaithful louse.

In the SR for the year she died, Uranus, Saturn, Mars, Pluto, and the Nodes

are all angular. Interesting, though, that the SR Jupiter crosses over to a

natal angle. Sometimes Jupiter shows up in death SRs.

Debra, your psychological insights were really interesting.

.... Bettina

Dark Star [pansophia]

Thursday, November 11, 2004 6:40 PM

Re: Scott Peterson

Hi Bettina,

Laci having Uranus in the 7th and Pluto at the 7th square Saturn

especially opposite Jupiter => her husband will kill her. His

SSR provided the Mars upon her Pluto and SMR the Sun

squaring them to do so. I like Steve's neck reading here.

What is so scary about Scott is his Mars-Uranus 45 Neptune-ASC.

Those two even square Ketu Moon Gemini 8th so he can strangle

off his wife's breathing. Also the wife's body will bloat to the surface.

Little Conner is the square to the 5th Placidian cusp. Hidden in the

12th the baby floats too, in the preserving amniotic fluid of Neptune.

Should you ever be called to jury duty and don't want to sit, just

tell the judge you are privy to other realities. Or carry around a

6 inch bundle of New York Times.

Dark*Star

_________________________________

Bettina wrote:

> Predictions of the future aside, can anyone tell for sure whether or not

SP

> done it? It's a fairly weird chart (Neptune right on asc opposed by

Saturn,

> asc ruler Mars sandwiched between Pluto and Uranus, Sun in its fall in the

> 12th, Moon aspected by Saturn and Neptune)... but is there anything that

> specifically says he whacked his wife?

>

> ... Bettina

>

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November 12, 2004

Yes, it finally brings fullness to our life experience and perhaps a floating

up.

Dark*Star

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Bettina wrote:

> Interesting, though, that the SR Jupiter crosses over to a

> natal angle. Sometimes Jupiter shows up in death SRs.

>

November 12, 2004

Steve,

I'm afraid I don't have Peterson's data. I'd be much obliged if you could

post it.

cheers,

Chris

-

" Steven Stuckey " <shastrakara

Thursday, November 11, 2004 12:06 PM

Re: Scott Peterson

>

> >

> > Steve wrote:

> >

> > There are a couple of things that have pointed me in the direction of

> > Scott as the murderer, but these are somewhat unconventional.

>

> Hi again Bettina,

>

> What I missed saying about Scott was that in Laci's Solar Return for

> 2002, the transiting Mars at the time of death on Dec 23/24 was in exact

> opposition by degree to the natal Sun as well as exact by quincunx to

> the solar Mars/Saturn conjunction.

>

> I would take Mars here as a representative of the murderer. Since Mars

> was in Libra, it carries the idea of Mars and Venus or Aries/Scorpio and

> Libra/Taurus.

> Therefore I might be looking for a signature for the murderer with these

> signs/planets constituting his or her personal points.

> In Scott's case of course with Scorpio rising, Libra Sun and Taurus

> Moon, he fulfills this requirement.

>

> Best,

>

> Steve

>

November 12, 2004

Oh, and Venus and Saturn were cnj. in the SR, too.

....Bettina

Dark Star [pansophia]

Thursday, November 11, 2004 7:37 PM

Re: Scott Peterson

Yes, it finally brings fullness to our life experience and perhaps a

floating

up.

Dark*Star

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Bettina wrote:

> Interesting, though, that the SR Jupiter crosses over to a

> natal angle. Sometimes Jupiter shows up in death SRs.

>

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November 12, 2004

Debra Mehren wrote:

> Thanks Steve for your detailed analysis and breakdown of both Scott and Laci's

charts.

> With the setup of Scott's chart as you have explained and Bettina has comment

on - putting astrology aside - clinical psychiatry would say that Scott has an

affect disorder. Commonly known as Borderline Personality Disorder To go

further with the way Scott's chart is set up and his Neptune right on Asc with

a moon. rahu and saturn involvement - he is more likely displaying the full tilt

of the disorder in Psychopathic behavior - whether learned or ingrained in his

genetics. And, his parents have known it for quite some time.

Hi Debra,

Me thinks you must be a psychotherapist. Your words ring true with my own

thoughts. The main thing that seemed to disturb me about Scott was his

'flatline' and more or less monotone responses when interviewed. A

Mars/Neptune/Moon connection can do this I think. One manifestation of this

combo is suppressed rage.

>

> That is a blunt and brutal assumption but I feel a real possibility given his

chart breakdown and his behavior these last 24 months. Also, if one would

remember this is not the first time he has been questioned and followed for the

disappearance of at least one student on campus while he was in college.

Yes, this possibility left me with a sinking feeling. I must assume this was

pursued and discarded by police--but it makes you wonder. At the time of this

possible connection, I was linking up Scott with Chandra Levy, who was also from

Modesto, and had the same Sun, Moon and Mars as Laci. After studying Scott's

transits for the day of Chandra Levy's disappearance, I was left wondering if

fertilizer salesmen have any business in Washington DC.

I think for men who have Moon/Neptune strong at birth, the mother and women in

general are always a mystery. I consider the Sun in Libra in the 12th house to

be weak and have a number of charts from clients that indicate the lack of a

strong father figure or the absence of the father altogether.

Venus plays well with the jury and with the public and women in general. Good

looks and nice clothes go a long way to influencing everyone--it did a lot for

Ted Bundy, who had Venus and Jupiter in Libra closley straddling the IC of his

natal chart and then behind that all those nasty Scorpio planets including

Moon/Mars/Ketu.

With Neptune rising for extra charisma, Scott's Libra/Taurus placements,

including Venus interchanging wth the Sun, will go a long way to confusing the

jury.

If he is indeed guilty of this crime ( and I feel that he is), I hope to hell

they manage to stop him now.

Best,

Steve

November 12, 2004

>

>Me thinks you must be a psychotherapist. Your words ring true with my own

thoughts. The main thing that seemed to disturb me about Scott was his

'flatline' and more or less monotone responses when interviewed. A

Mars/Neptune/Moon connection can do this I think. One manifestation of this

combo is suppressed rage.

>

______________________________\

_______________________________

>Hi Steven:

>

> One would think that the Mars/Neptune/Moon combination denotes uncontrolled or

out of control rage and aggression. It would take an aspect to Saturn to provide

the suppression. This Scott fellow is way out of control and dangerous to

himself and to others.

>

Bert Fannin

November 13, 2004

Hi Steve.

I must express for legitimate reasons that I am not a licensed psychotherapist.

However, I have over twenty years of hands on experience with women and family

relations digressions and my graduate studies was in the area of family dynamics

and abuse whether from addiction or other.

I also must reveal that my ow experience of being involved with child

prevention philanthropy and family dynamics also helps in my intuition of

knowing without really knowing. if I can say that without sounding weird.

I also have experience of being directly involved with families in crisis's and

have stood on more than one occasion of a double mirror of investigation in

children being neglected, abused (physically or emotionally) and neglected.

Finally, if I may say without being written off, I myself have been personally

involved in a brutal attack and court proceedings with not only investigators,

police deduction but court proceedings.

Too, I might add that my Ketu is in my twetht house with Neptune on my asc in a

wide arch with Saturn and a Mars and Uranus square. But i assure you I am

neither a sociopath or a psychopath.

The verdict today finding Scott Peterson guilty is a very small victory but in

reality is very sad and devastating for all parties concern. I was in my car

when I heard the verdict and as I was saying yes, I also immediately was very

sad for all concerned and the devastation for SP's family's. Also too, I was

and am very angry that on the day of judgment Scott's father was not in court...

His mother Jackie was once again left to carry the burden,. But too, the

Rocha's family; people who took Scott into their family and loved him. How

tragic.

I have a son in Law that I truly love - I can't imagine being in the Rocha

family's situation where they have to accept the fact that their son in law was

devious enough to kill their daughter but betray all that they believed and

loved him.

I do not have any predictions but know that the future with this case will be

long and drawn out with lots of twists and turns. In the meantime, Scott is

held in incarceration and not allowed to walk which is good.

The difference of being sociopath and psychopathic is in comparing two different

cases recently for an example of glimpse. SP showing no affect through the

whole ordeal - psychopath. The very sad and tragic ending of Laura Hacking

killed and dumped in a garbage heap - her husband is a sociopath with confession

and remorse for his wrong doings and secretive living. Even if one wants to

stretch, OJ showed emotion in his court proceedings and left a trail of

evidence. Psychopaths hone their secrets and indifference in their youth with

various acts that they accomplish which gives them more drive to proceed forward

because they have not been caught. and learn how to cover their tracks. Also,

If one were to read the book author by Jeffrey Darmer's father one would get an

inside view of what parents feel and go through with a child that is "

different " .

Another, would be Laura Dann of Chicago who was emotionally instable visibly for

yrs and yet could show when needed stability. In the end she caused much havoc

of murder and psychosis ending her own life in suicide after taking several

other down with her. This is not psychopathic behavior. It is self destructive

psychosis.

I have given a lengthly opinion without charts to reflect but knowing the basics

helps to come to some conclusions without chart detail in front of me.

My computer has been down twice with Trojan viruses and has eroded all my files

and data. So, I would request from those that are reading the request to send

to me all references of charts details to bring me up to date for my own

delineation but also to comment on in the future.