Vote Fraud USA:: 20 Shocking Facts About Voting (Elections) in the USA

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>

> " Those who vote count nothing.

> Those who count the vote

> count everything. "

> - Stalin

>

>

 

http://miamedia.com/votergate/20facts.html

>

> 20 Shocking Facts About Voting (Elections) in the USA

>

> Did you know....

>

> 1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies:

> Diebold and ES & S.

> http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold

>

>

> 2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight

>

> of the U.S. voting machine industry.

> http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm

> http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html

>

> 3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES & S are

> brothers.

> http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/private_company.html

> http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html

>

> 4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign

> organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was " committed to

> helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next

> year. "

> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml

> http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886

>

> 5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES & S. He

> became Senator based on votes counted by ES & S machines.

> http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html

>

> http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/031004Fitrakis/031004fitrakis.html

>

> 6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush

> family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES & S by the

>

> Senate Ethics Committee.

>

> http://www.blackboxvoting.com/modules.php?name=News & file=article & sid=26

> http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx

> http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php

>

> 7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's

> vice-presidential candidates.

> http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm

> http://theindependent.com/stories/052700/new_hagel27.html

>

> 8. ES & S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and

> counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.

> http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html

> http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html

>

> 9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of

>

> any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data

> coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put

> in by voters.

> http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

> http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/041020evotestates/pfindex.html

>

> 10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines,

>

> all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.

> http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

> http://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm

>

> 11. Diebold is based in Ohio.

> http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm

>

> 12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as senior managers and

> developers to help write the central compiler computer code that

> counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.

> http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html

> http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml

>

> 13. Jeff Dean, Diebold's Senior Vice-President and senior programmer

>

> on Diebold's central compiler code, was convicted of 23 counts of

> felony theft in the first degree.

> http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how

> http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf

>

> 14. Diebold Senior Vice-President Jeff Dean was convicted of

> planting back doors in his software and using a " high degree of

> sophistication " to evade detection over a period of 2 years.

> http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how

> http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf

>

> 15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the

>

> polls in Ohio.

> http://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2638.html

> http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/10/26/loc_elexoh.html

> .

> 16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the

> security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs

> could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it! (See the movie

> at http://blackboxvoting.org/baxter/baxterVPR.mov)

> http://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63298,00.html

> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4874190

>

> 17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch

> screen voting machines with no paper trail.

> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml

>

> 18. All -- not some -- but all the voting machine errors detected

> and reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican

> candidates.

> http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html

>

>

http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermath04/ThreeResearchStudiesBushIsOut.ht\

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> http://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html

>

>

http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload & name=News & file=article & sid=950

> http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm

> .

> 19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the

> President's brother.

> http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/news/local/7628725.htm

>

> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10544-2004Oct29.html

>

> 20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida -- again always favoring

> Bush -- have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are

> recommending further investigation.

>

>

http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermath04/ThreeResearchStudiesBushIsOut.ht\

m

>

>

http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/policy/story/0,10801,97\

614,00.html

> http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/tens_of_thousands.html

> http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

> http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html

> http://uscountvotes.org/

>

> ---

>

> See also:

>

> Ohio Election Fraud Uproar Blasting To New Level

> http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/975

>

> " You Stole My Vote "

> http://www.51capitalmarch.com

> 51 Capital March On December 12th 2004 At 12 Noon, Before The Steps

> Of Your State Capital And The Federal Capital, Join With Us To

> Protest The Theft Of Our Votes And Our Voting Rights In The 2004

> Election.

>

> Democrats Launch Investigation of Voting Problems in Ohio

> http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/120704W.shtml

>

> Jackson Vows to Continue Ohio Vote Probe

> http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121004Z.shtml

>

> Vote Fraud Programmer's Whistleblower Affidavi (6 Dec 2004)

> http://www.rawstory.com/images/pdfs/CC_Affidavit_120604.pdf

>

> A Report From The Conyers Hearing by William Rivers Pitt

> http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/120904W.shtm

>

> Kerry Won the Election by at least 1,7 Million Votes (3 December

> 2004)

> http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MEN412A.html

> Brad Menfil is not my real name. I work for the RNC. I fear

> reprisals if I'm found out.The truth about this election is this:

> Florida and Ohio had to go for Bush in order for him to " win " the

> election. In reality he lost both states. In fact, he did not even

> win the popular vote. He lost the national popular vote by at least

> 1,750,000. This shows you the scale of the fraud. The exit polls

> were not wrong. Kerry was the clear winner, but victory was snatched

>

> from him. CLIP

>

> Another Election Held and Another Election Stolen (6 Dec 2004)

> http://www.justaflyonthewall.com/

> In 2000 Bush stole the election by restricting the ability to vote

> by those people most likely to vote against him. The abuses were

> wide spread and the Democrats and other groups that believe in each

> individuals right to vote put together an impressive attempt to make

>

> sure that every individual that wanted to vote would not be turned

> away. Everywhere you went there was booths where new voters could

> register. Celebrities in commercials were urging voters to get out

> and vote. Poll watchers were placed in polling stations across the

> country to guarantee that every voter would not be turned away on

> any technicality. What these well meaning groups failed to account

> for was that they were defending the 2000 election fixing plan and

> not taking into account that this election would be decided not by

> voters but by the rise of technology. Every one might be allowed to

> vote but their vote, and your vote made no difference at all. The

> programmers had already decided who would win and by how much. Prior

>

> to this election I personally sent out information to the media

> which should have been provided to the electorate. It was not. The

> biggest turnout in history had no chance to win this election or any

>

> other unless the programmers of the voting machine allowed it. I

> believe they will allow it less and less as the machines control the

>

> elections and the Republicans control the machines. This is not

> speculation. It is not a rant designed to make the losers feel

> better. I speak from first hand information and unless people stand

> up and act, democracy in this country is ended.

>

> GOP Wants News Organizations To Abandon Exit Polls

> http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/04/11/ana04027.html

> RNC Chairman Ed Gillespie wants to eliminate exit polls because he

> says they're not accurate, implying that the final vote was

> unquestionably correct.

>

> The Sale of Electoral Politics

> http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2005/6.html

>

> A Corporate Election... by Barbra Streisand (December 6, 2004)

> http://www.barbrastreisand.com/newsupdates.html

> Regardless of partisanship, the essence of our voting process must

> have integrity. Why are we allowing private for-profit corporations,

>

> loyal to politicians that give them lucrative contracts worth

> millions of dollars, manage our votes? How can we trust the outcome

> of our elections when we have outsourced the managing of our

> electoral process and the counting of the ballots to private

> corporations who keep secret from election administrators the

> program codes for their software and refuse to offer a verifiable

> auditable paper trail for each vote? We cannot have a system where

> we entrust the fate of our country to corporations who only need to

> answer to their board members and shareholders and not to the

> American people. If we allow such a system to prevail, we will find

> ourselves steeped in voter fraud election after election. CLIP

>

> Vote USA 2004

> http://omega.twoday.net/topics/Vote+USA+2004/

>

>

>

> " The secret of Happiness is Freedom, and the secret of Freedom is

> Courage " .

> Pericles' Funeral Oration (431BC)

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[Guest guest]

To John and Kit and others

 

How can you be so certain that Bush did NOT win if the vote counting is so

fraudulant? When I hear from Republicans, they seem to have similar " facts "

to support their belief that the Dems tried to rob them of their win.

 

I'm very sincere in this question...if nothing is true, how can you be so

certain?

 

thanks in advance

cynthia

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

At 07:54 PM 12/12/04 -0600, Cynthia wrote:

>

>

> To John and Kit and others

>

> How can you be so certain that Bush did NOT win if the vote counting is so

>fraudulant?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

Because all the 'errors' and confusion have favored the Republicans, and

the voting machines are all owned by companies connected to the Bush

administration.

 

>When I hear from Republicans, they seem to have similar " facts "

>to support their belief that the Dems tried to rob them of their win.

 

Where would we be able to see these 'facts?' Are they backed up by

statistical studies and groups of angry votors? I haven't seen or read

anywhere of any machine malfunctions favoring the dems nor have I heard of

Republican votors being defranchised.

 

Why have the Republicans tried to stop the Ohio re-count? Don't they care

about verifying the votes??

 

Have you checked out this web site below and followed the links? Also the

astrology rather clearly shows that Uranus (electronic machines) and

Neptune (subterfuge) have dominated this election. It's all in the return

charts (some of which I mis-read except in hindsight--didn't stop to

consider that a prominent Uranus might be 'favor via machine fraud.').

 

Anyhow, we'll see what the Ohio re-count brings. If there's a starting time

for the first scheduled recount, an astrological chart can be cast for that

moment and location.

 

http://election.solarbus.org/

 

I'm not in favor of engaging in political arguments on this list, even if

they're backed up by astrology. But if the Repubs have similar election

fraud complaints, please point us to the relevant web sites.

 

Thanks,

Therese

[Guest guest]

Hi Cynthia.....Did you see the hearings or read the transcript from C-Span? Of

course Bush may have won. But how can we move forward calling this a democracy

with all these IFS surrounding the election. Just reading John's 20 Shocking

Facts About... is enough to make me wonder. The testimony given by observers at

the hearings was REAL. Let's open this issue to full disclosure. With accurate

voting, paper trails, federal standards, not 50 states with different ideas

about election law, let's have voting day over 2 or 3 days, or a voting holiday,

let's end the sham of electoral college, let's have non partisan people in

charge of running election. Then we should have no issues about corruption, but

now the smell coming from Ohio and Florida is overwhelming. And there are other

states which had voting problems as well.

On another issue, why is the main stream media on blackout with this story?

Why did C-Span quit carrying the testimony of Dec 8?? Why aren't more people

like us having an open discussion about the truth??

On a personal note I can't stand either party. The corporations run this

country, they wouldn't allow the Greens or Libertarians a voice in the debates.

Isn't that horrific?? But the times are a changing. I truly think we will get

reform from this Neptunian process. Thanks for writing.

 

Kit Karson

 

cynthianovak <cynthianovak wrote:

 

To John and Kit and others

 

How can you be so certain that Bush did NOT win if the vote counting is so

fraudulant? When I hear from Republicans, they seem to have similar " facts "

to support their belief that the Dems tried to rob them of their win.

 

I'm very sincere in this question...if nothing is true, how can you be so

certain?

 

thanks in advance

cynthia

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Cynthia & Group,

 

In brief but respectful answer to the Cynthia's pointed question, the various

texts to which Cynthia refers contain too many items so clearly putting the Bush

machine on the credibility defensive that history is now long beyond the point

of the doubts of the type " He said/She said " , of the kind of accusations that

might have been just as plausibly directed at the Kerry people. The record is

well beyond all that which Cynthia expressed.in her query

The pertinent question is where has been ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN in reporting

these events ????? Inquiring minds still crave to know.

 

By the way, I sent that particular string of Linked messages as I did because

the U.S. is about to wake-up on Monday December 13th to the quadrennial

constitutionally mandated electoral event that will probably be similarly

ignored by the major media outlets.

 

And then there's the astrology of it all: PLUTO shall be then exactly conjunct

the SUN in the 28th degree of Scorpio 'bang' at the MC over Washington, D.C.

just at the moment that ceremonies get under way to perform the College vote

count throughout the 50 states and Washington, D.C.; by all reasonable

appearances, this count shall be yet another one of most dubious validity.

 

For mundane astrologers It shall be anything but a non-sequitur if one should

wish to re-think entirely the significance of the horoscope for George

Washington's First Inauguration on April 30, 1789. This date @ a moment in New

York City between 1:00 and 1:30 pm may well be the birth moment of the U.S.

Federal Government. Yet in stark contrast to the horoscope for the USA, which is

of course the nation's state, not the nation's government, the horoscope of July

2, 1776 (pick a moment @ Philadelphia between 4:10 and 4:50 pm) should tell a

different tale than 1789's. I don't expect these two horoscopes to resonate on

all major adverse historical moments impacting the American nation. Take, for

instance, the event of Sept 11, 2001. The 1776 chart will show it; the 1789

chart will not. Now think about that real hard. It's really not in the least

counter-intuitive. This tragic day in 2001 was an adversity for whom? For which

Americans?? Given that the obvious part of the question is just

that and easy to answer, I fast-forward to the not so obvious: As the great

early 20th Century American writer Randolph Bourne put it in the context of

World War One and America's European intervention: " War is the health of

Government " ......

 

So when you look at the 1789 horoscope, look for contrast not resonance with

what the 1776 horoscope depicts. The adversity of the people is all too often

the health of the Government; just as certainly as a horoscope for the people's

'body politic', the State (as in United States) tells a story which necessarily

contrasts with that of the Federal Government. Ask a very different question of

the 1789 horoscope; Ask if the 9/11 event shows not adversity, but a golden

opportunity for its native. If one does that much, then just maybe one will have

found the path to solid ground.

 

Regards,

 

John

cynthianovak <cynthianovak wrote:

 

To John and Kit and others

 

How can you be so certain that Bush did NOT win if the vote counting is so

fraudulant? When I hear from Republicans, they seem to have similar " facts "

to support their belief that the Dems tried to rob them of their win.

 

I'm very sincere in this question...if nothing is true, how can you be so

certain?

 

thanks in advance

cynthia

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear John

I'm not saying that I believe that no fraud took place. Unfortunately I

suspect that it did and has since the beginning of elections. What I am

wondering is how one can prove it. I saw Kerry's lawyers publicly state

that they would not recommend a recount. He accepted that. The other

parties have found the resources to have one...so it will be. While the

whole thing looks suspicious I certainly can't be sure that the macines were

rigged. I'd expect sone whistle blower to come out somewhere.

 

sincerely dont know

c

John TWB [jtwbjakarta]

Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:06 PM

RE: Vote Fraud USA:: 20 Shocking Facts About

Voting (Elections) in the USA

 

 

Hi Cynthia & Group,

 

In brief but respectful answer to the Cynthia's pointed question, the

various texts to which Cynthia refers contain too many items so clearly

putting the Bush machine on the credibility defensive that history is now

long beyond the point of the doubts of the type " He said/She said " , of the

kind of accusations that might have been just as plausibly directed at the

Kerry people. The record is well beyond all that which Cynthia expressed.in

her query

The pertinent question is where has been ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN in

reporting these events ????? Inquiring minds still crave to know.

 

By the way, I sent that particular string of Linked messages as I did

because the U.S. is about to wake-up on Monday December 13th to the

quadrennial constitutionally mandated electoral event that will probably be

similarly ignored by the major media outlets.

 

And then there's the astrology of it all: PLUTO shall be then exactly

conjunct the SUN in the 28th degree of Scorpio 'bang' at the MC over

Washington, D.C. just at the moment that ceremonies get under way to perform

the College vote count throughout the 50 states and Washington, D.C.; by all

reasonable appearances, this count shall be yet another one of most dubious

validity.

 

For mundane astrologers It shall be anything but a non-sequitur if one

should wish to re-think entirely the significance of the horoscope for

George Washington's First Inauguration on April 30, 1789. This date @ a

moment in New York City between 1:00 and 1:30 pm may well be the birth

moment of the U.S. Federal Government. Yet in stark contrast to the

horoscope for the USA, which is of course the nation's state, not the

nation's government, the horoscope of July 2, 1776 (pick a moment @

Philadelphia between 4:10 and 4:50 pm) should tell a different tale than

1789's. I don't expect these two horoscopes to resonate on all major adverse

historical moments impacting the American nation. Take, for instance, the

event of Sept 11, 2001. The 1776 chart will show it; the 1789 chart will

not. Now think about that real hard. It's really not in the least

counter-intuitive. This tragic day in 2001 was an adversity for whom? For

which Americans?? Given that the obvious part of the question is just

that and easy to answer, I fast-forward to the not so obvious: As the

great early 20th Century American writer Randolph Bourne put it in the

context of World War One and America's European intervention: " War is the

health of Government " ......

 

So when you look at the 1789 horoscope, look for contrast not resonance

with what the 1776 horoscope depicts. The adversity of the people is all too

often the health of the Government; just as certainly as a horoscope for the

people's 'body politic', the State (as in United States) tells a story which

necessarily contrasts with that of the Federal Government. Ask a very

different question of the 1789 horoscope; Ask if the 9/11 event shows not

adversity, but a golden opportunity for its native. If one does that much,

then just maybe one will have found the path to solid ground.

 

Regards,

 

John

cynthianovak <cynthianovak wrote:

 

To John and Kit and others

 

How can you be so certain that Bush did NOT win if the vote counting is

so

fraudulant? When I hear from Republicans, they seem to have similar

" facts "

to support their belief that the Dems tried to rob them of their win.

 

I'm very sincere in this question...if nothing is true, how can you be

so

certain?

 

thanks in advance

cynthia

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello,

This is a site about voter fraud. No astrology but some dates might be

interesting.

Ellen

http://election.solarbus.org/