Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Dear Group, A Thai guest worker was killed today and another wounded in an attack in Gaza today. There is talk now of repatriating all the 25,000 Thai guestworkers in Israel and Gaza. This broadly confirms the Thailand chart I mentioned earlier what had 25-29 Aries rising. Mars is aspecting that 6.55 am ascendant today exactly, so that's a point for it. I had predicted that there would likely be some attacks in Thailand during this time period. There were small attacks a week ago while Mars was around 22-24 Libra. This loosely aspected the 6.40 am/25Aries ascendant but I was unconvinced that the karma had been burned up. This latest violent attack seems to fit the bill better and gives support to the latter ascendant. cheers, Chris Jazz up your holiday email with celebrity designs. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Chris, can you please post the Thailand chart data again? I've had to scan posts really fast as I've had little computer time. Actually, a good policy for all of us is in any post where we discuss a chart, give the data again to keep it with the commentary and current news. In my case, about 75 posts a day come into my mailbox, mostly from a few different lists and forums. So it's hopeless to try to go back and find a particular post unless I've printed it out. Therese At 02:37 AM 12/15/04 -0800, Chris wrote: >A Thai guest worker was killed today and another wounded in an attack in >Gaza today. There is talk now of repatriating all the 25,000 Thai >guestworkers in Israel and Gaza. > >This broadly confirms the Thailand chart I mentioned earlier what had >25-29 Aries rising. Mars is aspecting that 6.55 am ascendant today >exactly, so that's a point for it. > >I had predicted that there would likely be some attacks in Thailand during >this time period. There were small attacks a week ago while Mars was >around 22-24 Libra. This loosely aspected the 6.40 am/25Aries ascendant >but I was unconvinced that the karma had been burned up. > >This latest violent attack seems to fit the bill better and gives support >to the latter ascendant. > >cheers, >Chris > > > > > > >Jazz up your holiday email with celebrity designs. Learn more. >http://celebrity.mail. > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > >Shortcut URL to this page: >/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Sure Therese, Thailand -- April 21 1782 6.55 am LMT Bangkok with 29 Aries rising (Lahiri) There is some dispute about the actual time. A Thai astrologer I know insists it is 6.40 based on the documents. This would give 25 Aries rising. Chris --- Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: > Chris, can you please post the Thailand chart data again? I've had to > scan > posts really fast as I've had little computer time. > > Actually, a good policy for all of us is in any post where we discuss a > chart, give the data again to keep it with the commentary and current > news. > In my case, about 75 posts a day come into my mailbox, mostly from a few > different lists and forums. So it's hopeless to try to go back and find > a > particular post unless I've printed it out. > > Therese > > At 02:37 AM 12/15/04 -0800, Chris wrote: > > >A Thai guest worker was killed today and another wounded in an attack > in > >Gaza today. There is talk now of repatriating all the 25,000 Thai > >guestworkers in Israel and Gaza. > > > >This broadly confirms the Thailand chart I mentioned earlier what had > >25-29 Aries rising. Mars is aspecting that 6.55 am ascendant today > >exactly, so that's a point for it. > > > >I had predicted that there would likely be some attacks in Thailand > during > >this time period. There were small attacks a week ago while Mars was > >around 22-24 Libra. This loosely aspected the 6.40 am/25Aries > ascendant > >but I was unconvinced that the karma had been burned up. > > > >This latest violent attack seems to fit the bill better and gives > support > >to the latter ascendant. > > > >cheers, > >Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jazz up your holiday email with celebrity designs. Learn more. > >http://celebrity.mail. > > > > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > > > Post message: > > Subscribe: - > > Un: - > > List owner: -owner > > > >Shortcut URL to this page: > >/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Hello, Re: Re: Thai worker killed in attack in Gaza > Thailand -- April 21 1782 6.55 am LMT Bangkok with 29 Aries rising > (Lahiri) There is some dispute about the actual time. A Thai astrologer > I know insists it is 6.40 based on the documents. This would give 25 > Aries rising. What are the sources? A Cracker Jack box or an official data release!? Where can it be found? Damn, sometime I wonder why it's difficult to tell our sources. -- François... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Hi Francois, This won't answer your question on Chris' source, but Campion gives two times for Thailand. Thailand constitution: June 24, 1932 @ 5:00 AM in Bangkok Foundation of Bangkok: April 6, 1782 @ 6:54 AM In the Campion software version (which is what I have) there are no other details. If someone has Campion's book they might be able to add some information here. Best, STeve Francois Carriere wrote: > Hello, > > Re: Re: Thai worker killed in attack in > Gaza > > > > Thailand -- April 21 1782 6.55 am LMT Bangkok with 29 Aries rising > > > (Lahiri) There is some dispute about the actual time. A Thai > astrologer > > I know insists it is 6.40 based on the documents. This would give > 25 > > Aries rising. > > What are the sources? A Cracker Jack box or an official data release!? > Where > can it be found? Damn, sometime I wonder why it's difficult to tell > our > sources. > > -- > François... > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 Hello Steven, > This won't answer your question on Chris' source, but Campion gives two times for Thailand. Many thanks for the sources you have given. I appreciate it. -- Best regards - François Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 Steve and Francois, I know about Campion's dates. I used to use them myself until I contacted a Thai astrologer and he filled me in on the chart. Most Thai astrologers use the April 21st date. I'm not sure what it represents other than the formal ceremony to mark the beginning of the present Chakri dynastry. The April 6th 1782 date that Campion includes is a sort of precusor date. It is real enough in an historical sense and marks the beginning of Bangkok as the new capital but it has no official status as the beginning of the state. FWIW, I've worked with all of the charts and found the April 21st chart to work the best. Chris --- Francois Carriere <alchocoden wrote: > Hello Steven, > > > This won't answer your question on Chris' source, but Campion gives > two > times for Thailand. > > Many thanks for the sources you have given. I appreciate it. > > -- > Best regards - François > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 Hi Chris, Thanks for that clarification--shows how important local knowledge is in these types of data. Best, Steve Christopher Kevill wrote: > Steve and Francois, > > I know about Campion's dates. I used to use them myself until I contacted > a Thai astrologer and he filled me in on the chart. Most Thai astrologers > use the April 21st date. I'm not sure what it represents other than the > formal ceremony to mark the beginning of the present Chakri dynastry. The > April 6th 1782 date that Campion includes is a sort of precusor date. It > is real enough in an historical sense and marks the beginning of Bangkok > as the new capital but it has no official status as the beginning of the > state. > > FWIW, I've worked with all of the charts and found the April 21st chart to > work the best. > > Chris > > --- Francois Carriere <alchocoden wrote: > > > Hello Steven, > > > > > This won't answer your question on Chris' source, but Campion gives > > two > > times for Thailand. > > > > Many thanks for the sources you have given. I appreciate it. > > > > -- > > Best regards - François > > > > > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 Steve, And just to fill in the blanks a bit, it is widely known in Thailand that the Aprl 21 date and time was selected by court astrologers. They apparently timed it for 24 minutes after sunrise for auspiciousness. Given the longevity of the dynasty, and the fact that Thailand is the only country in the region to avoid colonization and injurious wars, I'd say those Thai astrologers did a fair job. Of course that doesn't make it correct, only significant at the time. Still, if searching for a workable chart of Thailand the april 21st chart is the first place I would look. Chris --- Steven Stuckey <shastrakara wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Thanks for that clarification--shows how important local knowledge is in > these > types of data. > > > Best, > > Steve > > > > Christopher Kevill wrote: > > > Steve and Francois, > > > > I know about Campion's dates. I used to use them myself until I > contacted > > a Thai astrologer and he filled me in on the chart. Most Thai > astrologers > > use the April 21st date. I'm not sure what it represents other than > the > > formal ceremony to mark the beginning of the present Chakri dynastry. > The > > April 6th 1782 date that Campion includes is a sort of precusor date. > It > > is real enough in an historical sense and marks the beginning of > Bangkok > > as the new capital but it has no official status as the beginning of > the > > state. > > > > FWIW, I've worked with all of the charts and found the April 21st > chart to > > work the best. > > > > Chris > > > > --- Francois Carriere <alchocoden wrote: > > > > > Hello Steven, > > > > > > > This won't answer your question on Chris' source, but Campion > gives > > > two > > > times for Thailand. > > > > > > Many thanks for the sources you have given. I appreciate it. > > > > > > -- > > > Best regards - François > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. > > > > > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > > > Post message: > > Subscribe: - > > Un: - > > List owner: -owner > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > / > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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