Tsunami fulfilling promise of New Years Day chart 2004?

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

 

In light of events of past week, I believe the destruction and horror of

this tsumani disaster has fulfilled the promise of the New Year's Day 2004

chart (January 1 2004 00.00).

 

As I wrote in the 2004 Annual Issue (January 2004) of Express Star Teller

magazine, there was a very ominous configuration in that New Year's Day

chart for the world: Saturn opposed Sun and squared Mars all within one

degree. To make matters worse, this t-square was within a few degrees of

being anuglar. In the Sri Lanka New Year's Day chart for example it was

less than one degree from angularity.

 

Just for the record, here's what I wrote in my brief " Mundane Predictions

for 2004 " article at that time:

 

" This year as a whole looks more violent and frustrating than usual around

the world, owing to a difficult configuration at midnight on New Year's

Day. While there will be minor national variations in this chart, every

country's New Year's chart will feature Saturn exactly aspecting both Sun

and Mars, by 7th house and 10th house aspect respectively, within one

degree in both cases. This suggests that simmering global hotspots will

once again flare up or wars may erupt. Hardship for the significations

governed by the Sun and Mars is also indicated including: governments and

government officials, government buildings, royalty, natural destruction

from fires and volcanoes, military personnel, athletes, and factories,

etc. "

 

Admittedly, this was a very general sort of forecast long on vague

possibilities and short on specifics. But certainly the outline for a

very destructive event such as we have witnessed last week is there,

especially given the uniqueness of the configuration. Hopefully, these

sorts of clear correlations will make this New Year's Day chart more

popular among astrologers.

 

This year's New Year's chart contains a similarly malefic pattern --

another t-square -- this time involving Mars, Uranus and Moon. Mars

closely squaring the Uranus within one degree and the Moon is more than 2

degrees from exact aspect. Happily, this is not an angular configuration.

While this bodes well for less violence and destruction this year, it

still strongly points to sudden accidents, exploisons, and wars which will

cause significant suffering.

 

regards,

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

At 07:02 AM 1/2/05 -0800, Chris wrote:

>

>Dear Friends,

>

>In light of events of past week, I believe the destruction and horror of

>this tsumani disaster has fulfilled the promise of the New Year's Day 2004

>chart (January 1 2004 00.00).

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

Chris, what locale did you use? GMT/UT 00.00? Or do you set up charts for

midnight for various locales?

 

Have you tried to work with the traditional Pisces new moon chart that's

used in India?

 

Therese

[Guest guest]

, Therese Hamilton

<eastwest@s...> wrote:

> At 07:02 AM 1/2/05 -0800, Chris wrote:

> >

> >Dear Friends,

> >

> >In light of events of past week, I believe the destruction and

horror of

> >this tsumani disaster has fulfilled the promise of the New Year's

Day 2004

> >chart (January 1 2004 00.00).

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Chris, what locale did you use? GMT/UT 00.00? Or do you set up

charts for

> midnight for various locales?

>

> Have you tried to work with the traditional Pisces new moon chart

that's

> used in India?

 

 

 

Hello,

 

Butting in, Theresa and Chris, here is data for the Pisces new moon

chart for Bangkok Thailand: 03/21/2004 05:41 Bangkok Thailand.

Using the earthquake data 12/26/04 7:58 for Bangkok, the earthquake

is there. Nelle

 

 

>

> Therese

[Guest guest]

Chris,

 

Your 2004 prediction mentioned here was made for what locality?

 

Dark*Star

________________________________

 

> Christopher Kevill

> .> wrote:

>

> >In light of events of past week, I believe the destruction and

> > horror of this tsumani disaster has fulfilled the promise of the

> > New Year's Day 2004 chart (January 1 2004 00.00).

>

[Guest guest]

DS,

 

The New Years Chart applies to the world as a whole, however strange that

might sound. There is little variation in planetary positions and the

ascendant varies by less than 10 degrees for all points on earth.

 

One might take note therefore, of the proximity to different aspects to

the angles at different localities eg, Sri Lanka had the t-square brought

right up to the angles within one degree (although the ascendant in

Thailand was a good 4 degrees off the t-square degree, so one has to

proceed with caution)

 

Chris

 

 

--- Dark Star <pansophia wrote:

 

>

> Chris,

>

> Your 2004 prediction mentioned here was made for what locality?

>

> Dark*Star

> ________________________________

>

> > Christopher Kevill

> > .> wrote:

> >

> > >In light of events of past week, I believe the destruction and

> > > horror of this tsumani disaster has fulfilled the promise of the

> > > New Year's Day 2004 chart (January 1 2004 00.00).

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Ron,

 

Glad to see you back in fray.

 

I was happy to see you put your " Krakatoa-like event " prediction up on the

lists and generate some discussion. Hopefully, it will spark some

imaginations.

 

Your prediction had an event specificity that mine lacked, so, well done.

We're at a point where we need to try to understand astrology from the

ground up and predictions that are in the ballpark are good ways of doing

this. There is so little predictive astrology out there that is worth a

second look. But there is more to astrology than predictions as we all

know.

 

 

I'm travelling at the moment so I can't keep tabs on all my email. I only

have time to open a fraction of them. Apologies in advance for sporadic

response/discussion of all previous and future emails.

 

happy new year

Chris

 

--- listlurker6969 <listlurker6969 wrote:

 

>

>

> , Christopher Kevill

> <ckevill> wrote:

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > In light of events of past week, I believe the destruction and

> > horror of this tsumani disaster has fulfilled the promise of the

> > New Year's Day 2004 chart (January 1 2004 00.00).

>

> Yes, I do remember you and I discussing, at the beginning of 2004,

> that an event of this magnitude could be seen - albeit we used

> different charts to make similar assessments. Somehow, in light of

> the tragedy of all this, a congratulations doesn't seem in order for

> either of us, but well...good prediction, Chris.

>

> Rony

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Therese,

 

The New Year's chart is a world chart that can be cast for different

capitals/countries if desired. There is little difference in the charts

however as only a few degrees difference in the ascendant can be observed.

I have yet to refine it to adequately address this problem. Take a look

at the 2005 New Years chart for example. Both Washington DC and London

England have the same rising degree, 13 Virgo.

 

Chris

 

ps One interesting possibility is that the New Years' Day chart may be

activated by transits. I note that at the time of the tsunami transit

Saturn at 1 Cancer was squaring the New Years Day 2004 chart Moon (1

Aries) for nations in the Indian ocean region. By comparison the Moon in

the New Years 2004 chart in the UK was 3 Aries. Not a robust test I admit

given that Saturn has crossed both these points due to retrograde motion,

but worth further study.

 

 

> At 07:02 AM 1/2/05 -0800, Chris wrote:

> >

> >Dear Friends,

> >

> >In light of events of past week, I believe the destruction and horror

> of

> >this tsumani disaster has fulfilled the promise of the New Year's Day

> 2004

> >chart (January 1 2004 00.00).

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Chris, what locale did you use? GMT/UT 00.00? Or do you set up charts

> for

> midnight for various locales?

>

> Have you tried to work with the traditional Pisces new moon chart that's

> used in India?

>

> Therese

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

, Christopher Kevill

<ckevill> wrote:

> Hi Ron,

 

> Your prediction had an event specificity that mine lacked,

> so, well done. We're at a point where we need to try to

> understand astrology from the ground up and predictions that

> are in the ballpark are good ways of doing this. There is so

> little predictive astrology out there that is worth a second

> look. But there is more to astrology than predictions as we all

> know.

 

Thanks, Chris. You've always been very supportive of me sticking my

neck out there to make predictions. While I agree that there is more

to astrology than just predictions, recent events with this terrible

tragedy make me wonder about a lot of things and have reinforced

some of my own ideas, which I'm sure must seem dogmatic to others.

 

You see, I've always had this vision of what astrology could be. Had

astrology followed a different course all these decades and

centuries, perhaps astrology would have warranted some credibility.

Perhaps, in another world, governments would have pressed you and I

to be more specific as to " when " this Krakatoa type event would

occur. Perhaps, astrology would be in a position to save lives.

 

I don't know. I only know we are not where we should be. I can't

help but believe it's because astrologers are more impressed by

people who write books than by people who prove over and over they

know how to predict. I can't help but believe that it's because

astrologers base who they listen to on who they like most. And, I

can't help but believe it's because astrologers are impressed by

knowing lots of techniques instead of gaining extreme intimacy with

a chart's basic energies - the basis upon which all my predictions

have been made.

 

I have a lot of regrets these days. I see the field of astrologers

is beyond convincing because everyone already knows best and no

amount of predictive accuracy will convince them otherwise so they

too can predict world events consistently and accurately. Can you

imagine if, year and year, a hundred astrologers predicted

accurately world events? Maybe then those in power would take notice

and lives could be saved. For me, it's never been about making a

name for myself, but a vain hope that astrology be used for the

benefit of mankind in a way that is far more useful than providing

readings for the curious individual.

 

Sorry, Chris. I know I've been overly verbose on your list, but I've

just felt a need to write and get out some frustration that exists

because of the disparity between what is and what I know could be...

 

I'll try to be more quiet now. Sorry for barging in with my lips

flapping. Thanks everyone for being so gracious and tolerant of

my overly frequent posting these past couple of days.

 

Rony

[Guest guest]

At 01:50 AM 1/3/05 -0000, Ron Grimes wrote:

>...

>I don't know. I only know we are not where we should be. I can't

>help but believe it's because astrologers are more impressed by

>people who write books than by people who prove over and over they

>know how to predict. I can't help but believe that it's because

>astrologers base who they listen to on who they like most.

 

Both of these statements are true. The cult of personality holds much sway

in the astrological world. Maybe it does everywhere.

 

>I have a lot of regrets these days. I see the field of astrologers

>is beyond convincing because everyone already knows best and no

>amount of predictive accuracy will convince them otherwise so they

>too can predict world events consistently and accurately.

 

You can help by posting your detailed predictions as you see them (for the

future) and how you came to your conclusions. But if you use the varga

charts (on this list), you'd have to explain how they are calculated and

what they mean. This isn't a Jyotish list, although it seems to be trying

to turn into one.

 

>For me, it's never been about making a

>name for myself, but a vain hope that astrology be used for the

>benefit of mankind in a way that is far more useful than providing

>readings for the curious individual.

 

I'd have to say I share that hope. Astrology is in a state of flux in this

new century. So many astrologers are older and generally 'fixed' in their

views. Are there younger astrologers who care about helping humanity in

general and who are willing for forsake favorite theories in favor of

techniques that have been show to work? We have the internet, so it's easy

to get the word out there.

 

Will there even be an astrology after the over 50s leave us?

 

Therese

[Guest guest]

At 11:42 PM 1/2/05 -0000, Nelle wrote:

>

 

>Butting in, Theresa and Chris, here is data for the Pisces new moon

>chart for Bangkok Thailand: 03/21/2004 05:41 Bangkok Thailand.

>Using the earthquake data 12/26/04 7:58 for Bangkok, the earthquake

>is there. Nelle

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

Nelle, you're not butting in, just joining the conversation! Thanks for the

data.

 

Therese

[Guest guest]

Thanks Nelle for that reminder. I haven't looked at it yet but I'm sure

something is there. Hopefully there are significant hits in the pisces

new moon charts of Indonesia, Sri Lanka and India as well and NOT in say,

Cambodia which was not affected by the earthquake. Hopefully, I can get

to that analysis at some point.

 

Chris

 

 

--- jeolearn <jeolearn wrote:

 

>

>

> , Therese Hamilton

> <eastwest@s...> wrote:

> > At 07:02 AM 1/2/05 -0800, Chris wrote:

> > >

> > >Dear Friends,

> > >

> > >In light of events of past week, I believe the destruction and

> horror of

> > >this tsumani disaster has fulfilled the promise of the New Year's

> Day 2004

> > >chart (January 1 2004 00.00).

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >

> > Chris, what locale did you use? GMT/UT 00.00? Or do you set up

> charts for

> > midnight for various locales?

> >

> > Have you tried to work with the traditional Pisces new moon chart

> that's

> > used in India?

>

>

>

> Hello,

>

> Butting in, Theresa and Chris, here is data for the Pisces new moon

> chart for Bangkok Thailand: 03/21/2004 05:41 Bangkok Thailand.

> Using the earthquake data 12/26/04 7:58 for Bangkok, the earthquake

> is there. Nelle

>

>

> >

> > Therese

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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