Hitler/navamsa

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At 01:23 AM 1/9/05 -0000, Greg wrote:

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>Steven wrote:

>> Another dimension to this [Hitler's chart] is the navamasa or 9th

>harmonic placements. With Lahiri/Krishnamurthi both are appearing in

>Scorpio in the ascendant while Fagan shows Mars in Libra and Venus in

>Scorpio (a mutual reception or parivartana yoga).

 

Steve and Greg,

 

I like the Mars in Scorpio better since this is a strong Mars influencing

the personality. (Mars as natal dispositor of Mercury, exalted Sun, Mars

and Venus. What's Venus doing in Hitler's navamsa ascendant? Hitler wanted

to be an artist in his younger days, but failed at this. Venus isn't as

strong in Scorpio as is Mars. Also he was obsessed with his (neice?) when

younger, a Venusian 'illness.'

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>Greg wrote:

> Does Solar Fire run these suckers?

 

Yes, highlight any natal chart, choose harmonic from the Chart menu, type

in 9 and you get the navamsa degrees and signs. However Solar Fire divides

the navamsa chart by equal house whereas in Jyotish each navamsa sign is a

house.

 

>So how is the navamsa related to this an as interpretation? If it's

>doing more than confirming general information, what does it add that

>is new?

 

(1) Mars is in the Scorpio ascendant

 

(2) Rahu and Pluto cross very closely to natal Mars/Venus. Read this as a

conjunction of Venus-Mars-Rahu-Pluto. (This is with Krishnamurti.)

 

(3) The Sun crosses to natal Rahu, so we get a double Rahu whammy with all

the negative implications of that shadowy 'planet.'

 

(4) Moon, natal 10th lord is in the navamsa 10th with Jupiter in kingly

Leo. This more clearly describes Hitler's leadership role than the natal

chart alone.

 

(5) The Sun is in the navamsa 8th house. Here is where I depart (from

experience) with tradition. The 8th seems to be related to groups and

insitutional activities: armies, churches, schools, hospitals. Picture

Hitler's marching thousands, his work with youth groups in the military.

His identity with the German people. His conquering armies.

 

An interesting sidenote: I've read that Yogananda said that Hitler was a

developed soul who went wrong. Yogananda was supposed to have tried to see

Hitler when in Germany (to influence him toward a less destructive path),

but failed.

 

One view of the navamsa is that it's the soul's plan for this life. Looking

at Hitler's navamsa in this way, the Moon/Jupiter in 10th in Leo could have

meant that he could have done a great deal of good for Germany. Venus in

first with Mars could have tempered Mars. But Rahu--darkness--is sitting

right there ready to pounce. Rahu won. The soul lost.

 

Neptune is exactly square the Sun in the navamsa chart. This may speak of

Hitler's state of spiritual development and/or his succombing to the

illusion of his own superiority and the superiority of his people.

 

This all has to be taken in light of the running dasas, which Steve may

explain.

 

Therese

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Therese Hamilton wrote:

> I like the Mars in Scorpio [Hitler] better since this is a strong

Mars influencing the personality....

 

Hi Therese,

Thanks for the analysis. I think I'm starting to get the drift of how

you're analyzing this, but my technique is still pretty spotty.

 

Can anyone fill me in on the reasoning for using a 9th harmonic, other

than that they've been doing it for thousands of years? Is there

something special about the number 9, or the 3 degree, 20 minute

segments (1/9th) of each sign? And why do they project the navamsas

from the cardinal signs? Is this a particular measure of action being

created? [Those dang tropicalists with their questions...]

 

....Let's see now, the planets are projected from the cardinal points

by element, right? Sidereally, he's got six planets plus Ketu in fire

with cardinal angles, Saturn in water, Rahu in air. There's no

stability there. Fire and water are the two most subjective,

unstable, and impassioned elements. His tropical chart shows five

planets in earth, an opposite emphasis, possibly showing an inner

stubbornness and perseverance that sidereally expresses more

impulsively with emotional unsteadiness? Did that make sense?

 

I can see the Sun-Mercury conjunction in Aries on the 7th cusp, with

him shaking his fist at the crowd and turning red as he stirs

everybody up (Sun exalted by sign, fall by house).

 

> ...Rahu and Pluto cross very closely to natal Mars/Venus. Read this

as a conjunction of Venus-Mars-Rahu-Pluto. The Sun crosses to natal

Rahu, so we get a double Rahu whammy with all the negative

implications of that shadowy 'planet.'

 

I can see that! He was a double-headed demon! For the Sun to cross

to Rahu, this must bring out an obsessive-compulsive streak. Sun and

Rahu are enemies, are they not? Inner turmoil. His sidereal Rahu was

also exalted in Gemini, Mercury's sign, perhaps giving him a kind of

energized mad genius. With navamsa Sun ruling the Leo Midheaven with

the fixed Moon on it and squaring Venus-Mars rising, there is a lot of

intense self-promotion going on. Talk about insatiable worldly desire!!

 

-Greg