Guest guest Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Steve, Thanks so much for this exposition. So this is what became of the Fagan school of astrology. Is there nothing left then, but a few astrologers age 50 or older who carry on as best they can in relative isolation? No new writing being done except brief notes on the internet? A couple of web sites. (Matthew Quellas and Ken Bowser plus some archived articles.) Ken Bowser's planned book which may or may not see the light of day? (Ken may be the ONLY astrologer still presenting western sidereal astrology at conferences, and he has to be a bit shaken up by a pesidential prediction that didn't materialize using very explicit sidereal techniques.) Will we end up with a new sidereal astrology, a combination of the best of the Fagan/Bradley school (return and ingress charts) and Jyotish principles? I have no doubt that research will eventually settle the ayanamsa question. The question is: Who will do the research? It has to be a group effort. Therese At 07:36 PM 1/10/05 -0800, Steve wrote: > >To continue on a bit with the history of the Fagan Sidereal School in >Los Angeles and it's gradual 'decline' into the insidious depths of >Hindoo/Vedic astrology ... > >The school is now called the 'Vedic School of Astrology'......where >mention of the word 'quotidian' might easily be confused for a varga >division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Good astrologers make many predictions. They are frequently wrong. Dark*Star _________________________________ Therese Hamilton wrote: > Bowser's (Ken may > be the ONLY astrologer still presenting western sidereal astrology at > conferences, and he has to be a bit shaken up by a pesidential prediction > that didn't materialize using very explicit sidereal techniques.) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Therese Hamilton wrote: > Steve, > > Thanks so much for this exposition. So this is what became of the > Fagan > school of astrology. Is there nothing left then, but a few astrologers > age > 50 or older who carry on as best they can in relative isolation? No > new > writing being done except brief notes on the internet? A couple of web > > sites. (Matthew Quellas and Ken Bowser plus some archived articles.) > Ken > Bowser's planned book which may or may not see the light of day? (Ken > may > be the ONLY astrologer still presenting western sidereal astrology at > conferences, and he has to be a bit shaken up by a pesidential > prediction > that didn't materialize using very explicit sidereal techniques.) Hi Therese, I think the move to Vedic was inevitable. Those of us who hung in for a number of years in the classes found ourselves looking for something else--Phyllis included. We were ready for a change.... I think it would be putting it mildly to say we were floored by Chakrapani's reading a natal chart. Using only whole sign houses, ancient rulers of houses, traditional meanings of houses, no use of MC/IC, no natal aspect orbs to speak of, not referring to angular planets for predictive work, he was able to nail a chart in a way none of us thought possible. > > > Will we end up with a new sidereal astrology, a combination of the > best of > the Fagan/Bradley school (return and ingress charts) and Jyotish > principles? I think the Indians have learned from us, from both Fagan siderealism and tropical techniques. But don't hold your breath for them to sponsor a conference on our behalf, fly us out to India as the featured speaker, provide us with hotel accommodations and a group of ready made clients. I don't think any of us could predict where Fagan siderealism would be today if Fagan was still alive. A combination of both is what I've used and what several other old Faganites that I know use. > > I have no doubt that research will eventually settle the ayanamsa > question. I'm not nearly as optimistic on this, and at this point for myself it doesn't really matter. As advice to beginners on the sidereal path, I would suggest you settle on an ayanamsa and stick with it--staying focused this way has a tendency to open up other revelations along the way. Best, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 An interesting footnote on Fagan: The moment Fagan passed away (January 5, 1970 @ 4:00 AM in Tucson, Az) he appeared to at least three of his students. This was told to me by friend and old siderealist Chuck Keith. Chuck was sitting in his apartment in Los Angeles, when all of a sudden Fagan materialized before him for a few seconds. Moments later,a fellow siderealist called Chuck to say she had also seen Fagan. Many years later, I heard by way of another old siderealist, that Fagan had also appeared to another student. While we were on the subject, I thought I might mention this, as eventually " all these moments will be lost in time, like tears in the rain " (from 'Blade Runner') Best, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 At 11:25 PM 1/10/05 -0800, Dark*Star wrote: > >Good astrologers make many predictions. They are frequently wrong. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yes...and this will be so for a long time to come. We have to be reminded that we are only human. I greatly respect Ken. This was another 'trick election,' must like the last one. I've been gone all day and see that there has been a lot of activity on this list! Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Hi, Astrologers are at their most precarious when Neptune transits the judgment centers of their chart or under bad transits to their Neptune. He had t.Jupiter conjoining radical Neptune which was heightened on 2 November. Elections are just a compendium of cheating factors. It's the nature of the beast. At least 'trick elections' always have a big fat Neptune to tell us what they are. Dark*Star ________________________________ Therese Hamilton wrote: > Dark*Star wrote: > > > >Good astrologers make many predictions. They are frequently wrong. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > We have to be reminded > that we are only human. I greatly respect Ken. This was another 'trick > election,' must like the last one. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 At 12:44 AM 1/12/05 -0800, Dark*Star wrote: >Elections are just a compendium of cheating factors. It's the nature of the >beast. At least 'trick elections' always have a big fat Neptune to tell us >what they are. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yep...and this one had a big fat Uranus to help it along. T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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