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Re: Re: Venus, planet of peace?

Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:36:50 -0800

Steven Stuckey <shastrakara

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To continue on a bit with the history of the Fagan Sidereal School in

Los Angeles and it's gradual 'decline' into the insidious depths of

Hindoo/Vedic astrology ...:>))

(for part one of this, see below)

 

I think Phyllis began the classes sometime around the late

'60's--teaching strictly Fagan sidereal techniques. The classes were

held in the house next door to her own house in the beginning and

eventually moved into her converted garage next door. This was in

Hollywood, Ca, near the intersection of Fairfax and Fountain.

 

Our first Vedic teacher came at my request as a guest lecturer. His name

was Kenny Richards. I originally met Kenny when we both lived in the

Krishna ashram back in 1970. Kenny was one of the first bonafide Vedic

astrologers in the US., and had a big influence on me and many other of

our friends including Nalini Kantha (Tom Hopke, Keshava (Kerry

Lawrence), Drew Lawrence, and a number of others.

Kenny spent some years studying astrology in India and was a student of

Gandhi in

England. He eventually moved to Brazil with Kesava and both were

responsible for introducing Vedic astrology to Brazil.

Kenny's original class got everyone interested and some took his private

series of classes afterwards. Nalini came in after this and gave

classes, followed in quick succession by Rashmin, Anders Johansson from

Sweden (who had spent many years researching the Brigu leaves in

India.), Drew Lawrence, Keshava and others.

 

Chakrapani Ullal was eventually invited to teach a class there and he

became the

resident Vedic astrologer there for many years, teaching classes at

least once a month.

Our knowledge of Vedic took a great leap upward when Chakrapani started

teaching. He brought with him the wisdom of India and explained things

that were not available in books. We would all bring charts for him to

read and he never ceased to amaze us.

Some time later, Bill Levacy and Christina Collins joined the group

along with George Roman and many others that I don't remember. All this

was before ACVA was formed.

 

Phyllis suffered a stroke sometime in the early '90's, if I'm

remembering right. She recovered shortly but it seemed to slow her down

a bit. The classes still continued for some years after this, until

sometime in the late '90's when she moved in with her son and sold her

house. She passed away in 2000 I think, but I'm not certain on the year

here.

The classes moved to a yoga studio in Brentwood after this, where

myself, Chakrapani, Carol Allen and others continued to give classes.

Eventually we lost the yoga studio and the classes moved to our

individual homes. I continued to include Fagan techniques in the

classes, but Chakrapani and Carol taught strictly Vedic.

 

I moved out of LA last October, so the only two teachers 'holding down

the fort' are Chakrapani and Carol.

Ernst Wilhelm is also a teacher at the school and gives lectures

occasionally.

 

The school is now called the 'Vedic School of Astrology'......where

mention of the word 'quotidian' might easily be confused for a varga

division.

 

 

 

 

Best,

 

Steve

 

 

 

Steven Stuckey wrote

 

> >

> >

> > [...On 9th harmonic or navamsha...]

> > > It can also be looked at in it's entirety as a second natal chart.

>

> > Cyril

> > > Fagan used to look at not only the 9th harmonic, but the 81st as

> > well

> > > (the 9th of the 9th!!)

>

> Hi Francois,

>

> I ran the above two sentences together, but did not intend to link

> their

> content.

> Fagan and early siderealists used the navamsa only as an " aspect

> vernier " (Fagan's words from " The Primer of Sidereal Astrology " ). To

> quote Fagan here for those who don't have this book: " It must not be

> supposed as our Hindu brethren would have us believe that the novien

> chart is a secondary geniture. It is nothing of the sort "

>

> The idea of the navamsa was borrowed from Hindu astrology and

> transformed via Donald Bradley's suggestion to the " novien " as Therese

>

> has already pointed out.

> Novien's are counted from Taurus instead of Aries and would be one

> exact

> trine ahead of the navama. For instance, 10 Aries navamsa= 10 Leo

> novien.

> >From Fagan: " It permits the user to measure micro-aspects that may

> not

> be otherwise apparent, especially to the Moon " .

>

> The Solar Return chart, known to Indian astrologers as the

> 'Varshaphal'

> was picked up by the Hindus from the Arabs as part of Tajika

> astrology.

> There is nothing that I know of in Varshaphal techniques that

> resembles

> Fagan's original work reagarding progression rates or interpretive

> methods.

> I believe that the Lunar Return and all of it's corrolary charts are

> also a part of Fagan's original work. At least this is never mentioned

>

> in any Hindu classical text that I've ever seen.

>

> The idea of emphasis on angularity of planets and the de-emphasis on

> their use as 'rulers' of houses etc again part of an original body of

> work. Relating natal angular planets to the cusps of return charts,

> again part of Fagan's original work.

>

> There was never any mention of the use of harmonic charts other than

> the

> novien in the classes at the Sideral School in Los Angeles. We were

> aware of harmonics from tropical techniques, but this was in no way

> related to anyone having knowledge at that time of the 'varga' charts.

>

> Hindu astrology was too esoteric in the early days of siderealism for

> anyone to know what it was all about (excluding of course Fagan and

> Bradley--but I don't know how much they themselves knew of it).

> Outside

> of Deluce's " Constellational Astrology " and an occasional lucky find

> of

> one of B.V Raman's books on the shelves at the Bodhi Tree bookstore,

> no

> one knew much. Raman's books were largley undecipherable due to the

> use

> of square charts and unfamiliar sanskrit terms.

>

> The Sidereal School in Los Angeles (I can't speak of elsewhere, but

> I'm

> pretty sure that John Mazurik was not using Hindu techniques in his

> classes in San Francisco), began a subtle shift towards Hindu

> techniques

> sometime around the late '70's and early '80's. The 'heretics' largely

>

> responsible for this were a core group of bhakti renegades (myself

> included) from the Krishna temple ashram, where we all had lived at

> some

> point in the early '70's.

> These 'rebels' began interjecting Hindu concepts into the classes in

> LA.

> Phylis Kneip who ran the class for many years, did not object to this

> as

> she herself was a former student of Robert Deluce and had a smattering

>

> of knowledge regarding Hindu techniques. By the time this was

> happening,

> Fagan teachers and students who had formed an earlier group were

> moving

> on with their lives and attending classes less often. People like Jim

> Eshleman, Charles Keith, Gene Lockhart, Kay Cavendish, Janice Mackey,

> Pete Stapleton and others. I can't speak for everyone here, since

> some

> of these people I only saw once or twice when they dropped in to pay

> Phyllis a visit. It seemed by the time that the sanskrit was a flowin'

>

> (more in the early '80's), the old siderealists were a goin'.

>

>

> More on this in the next post.......

>

>

>

> Steve

>

>

>