Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 I made myself a Saturn return chart, unfortunatley, after transiting the natal point Saturn retrograded back over it and then went direct over it again so I've got three different dates to choose from. Is there any good rule for which of the three dates to choose ? Best wishes, Steinar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 Steinar, I don't remember my (French tropical) sources, but it is always the first timed return that is taken into account. -- François - " Steinar " <steinar Sunday, January 16, 2005 10:55 AM Saturn return question > > I made myself a Saturn return chart, unfortunatley, after transiting the > natal point Saturn retrograded back over it and then went direct over it > again so I've got three different dates to choose from. Is there any good > rule for which of the three dates to choose ? > > > Best wishes, > Steinar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 Steinar wrote: >I made myself a Saturn return chart, unfortunatley, after transiting the >natal point Saturn retrograded back over it and then went direct over it >again so I've got three different dates to choose from. Is there any good >rule for which of the three dates to choose ? > > > > > > This exactly why I am sceptical of such return, other then that of the Sun or Moon. > > Bert Fannin > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 First of all, Thanks to Francois and Bert for helping I found something which " feels right " with me, it's from the book " Identifying planetary trigers " by Celeste Teal: (page 186) " ...Research indicates that that each chart is valid for the time it is in force and up to the next contact, at which time the next chart takes over... " So I'll be using the last of the three charts, that is the point where the cycle shoots forward again with a clear direction. (At least, that is the understanding of this amateur) In my personal experience most of the period spanning from the first contact to the last contact was without progress. Best wishes, Steinar Steinar [steinar] Sunday, January 16, 2005 4:55 PM Saturn return question I made myself a Saturn return chart, unfortunatley, after transiting the natal point Saturn retrograded back over it and then went direct over it again so I've got three different dates to choose from. Is there any good rule for which of the three dates to choose ? Best wishes, Steinar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Steinar wrote: > > So I'll be using the last of the three charts, that is the point where > the > cycle shoots forward again with a clear direction. > (At least, that is the understanding of this amateur) In my personal > experience most of the period spanning from the first contact to the > last > contact was without progress. Hi Steinar, I don't use these types of return charts per se i.e where a planet goes direct and retro over the same point. However, planetary stations are powerful tools for prediction and in my experience show their real intent when going direct for the last time. Going initially forward and backward over a point, they have a tendency to condition that point or planet for an event or series of events that transpire when making the final passover. I liken Saturns transit to a bully that passes you on the sidewalk and slightly nudges you while doing so. As he moves ahead of you, you're hoping you won't see him again and that he will just continue walking on past. All hope fades of course, when you see him stop and turn around. As he approaches, you are now in a state of apprehension and when he passes, going backward, he again nudges you, this time with slightly more force. He has now got your attention, and from this point, he stays strongly in your field of awareness. As you watch him walk back up to the end of the block behind you, you are very apprehensive. You know that if he turns around, you are going to be in worse trouble, since he has 'targeted' you previously. The moment he turns around, for the third and last approach, you know he has you in his sights and you may even trip or fall backwards, hurting yourself, in anticipation of the inevitable impact. Of course this is a worse case scenario. Things might also turn out well for you, especially if we are talking about a favorable transit of Venus or Jupiter. Then, instead of the mean bully, it might be the ice cream man, who passes you several times, just to hand out more Hagen Daz bars. :>)) Best, Steve > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Steve, Very nice description, thanks ! best, S Steven Stuckey [shastrakara] Monday, January 17, 2005 6:13 PM Re: Saturn return question Steinar wrote: > > So I'll be using the last of the three charts, that is the point where > the > cycle shoots forward again with a clear direction. > (At least, that is the understanding of this amateur) In my personal > experience most of the period spanning from the first contact to the > last > contact was without progress. Hi Steinar, I don't use these types of return charts per se i.e where a planet goes direct and retro over the same point. However, planetary stations are powerful tools for prediction and in my experience show their real intent when going direct for the last time. Going initially forward and backward over a point, they have a tendency to condition that point or planet for an event or series of events that transpire when making the final passover. I liken Saturns transit to a bully that passes you on the sidewalk and slightly nudges you while doing so. As he moves ahead of you, you're hoping you won't see him again and that he will just continue walking on past. All hope fades of course, when you see him stop and turn around. As he approaches, you are now in a state of apprehension and when he passes, going backward, he again nudges you, this time with slightly more force. He has now got your attention, and from this point, he stays strongly in your field of awareness. As you watch him walk back up to the end of the block behind you, you are very apprehensive. You know that if he turns around, you are going to be in worse trouble, since he has 'targeted' you previously. The moment he turns around, for the third and last approach, you know he has you in his sights and you may even trip or fall backwards, hurting yourself, in anticipation of the inevitable impact. Of course this is a worse case scenario. Things might also turn out well for you, especially if we are talking about a favorable transit of Venus or Jupiter. Then, instead of the mean bully, it might be the ice cream man, who passes you several times, just to hand out more Hagen Daz bars. :>)) Best, Steve > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Steven... Having your imagination allows for truth to glimmer in the relm of fiction. Kudos on your abilities to create understandings through visions. Your perspective of the I scream for Ice cream could also apply to Saturn if it were about the Ice Cream Maker.... My experience with the triple pass is as Steinar has concluded. When a triple pass occurs one actually experiences two mini cycles prior to the third. A perspective one might appreciate when looking at the current Dubya Saturn cycles... The triple pass has taught me me that preparation occurs through the initial pass and the retro return. Once those are experienced, the potential for the third and final pass is set to music. I hate having to deal with the triple whammy... however, those are the stars... Jivio , Steven Stuckey <shastrakara@s...> wrote: > > > Steinar wrote: > > > > > So I'll be using the last of the three charts, that is the point where > > the > > cycle shoots forward again with a clear direction. > > (At least, that is the understanding of this amateur) In my personal > > experience most of the period spanning from the first contact to the > > last > > contact was without progress. > > Hi Steinar, > > I don't use these types of return charts per se i.e where a planet goes > direct and retro over the same point. > However, planetary stations are powerful tools for prediction and in my > experience show their real intent when going direct for the last time. > Going initially forward and backward over a point, they have a tendency > to condition that point or planet for an event or series of events that > transpire when making the final passover. > > I liken Saturns transit to a bully that passes you on the sidewalk and > slightly nudges you while doing so. As he moves ahead of you, you're > hoping you won't see him again and that he will just continue walking on > past. > All hope fades of course, when you see him stop and turn around. As he > approaches, you are now in a state of apprehension and when he passes, > going backward, he again nudges you, this time with slightly more force. > > He has now got your attention, and from this point, he stays strongly in > your field of awareness. > As you watch him walk back up to the end of the block behind you, you > are very apprehensive. You know that if he turns around, you are going > to be in worse trouble, since he has 'targeted' you previously. > The moment he turns around, for the third and last approach, you know he > has you in his sights and you may even trip or fall backwards, hurting > yourself, in anticipation of > the inevitable impact. > > Of course this is a worse case scenario. Things might also turn out well > for you, especially if we are talking about a favorable transit of Venus > or Jupiter. > Then, instead of the mean bully, it might be the ice cream man, who > passes you several times, just to hand out more Hagen Daz bars. :>)) > > > Best, > > Steve > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 jivio wrote: > > Having your imagination allows for truth to glimmer in the relm of > fiction. Kudos on your abilities to create understandings through > visions. Thanks Juan, Although with Neptune at the MC squaring natal Moon, it's hard to keep a handle on the 'fiction' part. > Your perspective of the I scream for Ice cream could also > apply to Saturn if it were about the Ice Cream Maker.... Sounds like a theme for a B movie-- " The Return of the I Scream Man " > > > My experience with the triple pass is as Steinar has concluded. > > When a triple pass occurs one actually experiences two mini cycles > prior to the third. A perspective one might appreciate when looking > at the current Dubya Saturn cycles... > > The triple pass has taught me me that preparation occurs through the > initial pass and the retro return. Once those are experienced, the > potential for the third and final pass is set to music. > > I hate having to deal with the triple whammy... however, those are > the stars... I'm watching Schwarzenegger's chart for this as Saturn has moved over his Merc/Asc and Venus--now on it's way back to station on the degree of the Ascendant. Along with some other charts I've been looking at, this may be one indication that March is going to be the time for the 'BIG ONE'.... Best, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 >I'm watching Schwarzenegger's chart for this as Saturn has moved over his Merc/Asc and Venus--now on it's way back to station on the degree of the Ascendant. Along with some other charts I've been looking at, this may be one indication that March is going to be the time for the 'BIG ONE'....< Steve, I can't help thinking that there will be a BIG SOMETHING in America this year. This is based on the topocentric SE chart (April)for Washington which I have already discussed. An event may happen shortly after the solar eclipse. The ascendent is close to the fixed star Nodus 1 and the eclpise point is close to the fixed star Nodus2. The ancients said that when a comet was here, poison was scattered over the world. Nodus 1 9Vi 37 Nodus2 23Pi 24 (sidereal) This from Anne Wright's list . I am wondering why these 2 stars are so far apart in longitude. Maybe a fixed star expert can help here. If using Lahiri ayanamsha the SE ascendent is also in the malefic Utpata shastiamsa which relates to calamities , earthquakes etc. This is from the shastiamsa deities list in the Ranjan/Santhanam version of BPHS. Regards Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Dear Ron I have started a small private group devoted to KP and research on blind charts. If yourself or Ron Gaunt would like to join please mail to the address below. A number of people have asked me to get another group going devoted to KP, prashna and blind chart research. My address book got wiped so I have no way of contacting certain people who were interested. A Dr Sudasharn or some name similar was interested as he is a well known KP man in India. I lost his address unforunately. I have a number of very very interesting things to discuss. I also have a number of new charts like that of Alphonse Gangitano who was gunned down in the recent gang wars. I know Ron G had become interested in KP as I sent him a copy of the sub sub lord charts I have. Post message: stellarastrologyresearch Subscribe: stellarastrologyresearch- Andrew Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 The best results come from fixed *stars* that one has actually heard of...before Anne Wright stumbled on the scene. More reliable and much, much more fun are the Bordeaux wines of the 'comet vintages.' No poisons there. Dark*Star ________________________________ Ron Day wrote: > I can't help thinking that there will be a BIG SOMETHING in America this > year. This is based on the topocentric SE chart (April)for Washington which > I have already discussed. An event may happen shortly after the solar > eclipse. > > The ascendent is close to the fixed star Nodus 1 and the eclpise point is > close to the fixed star Nodus2. The ancients said that when a comet was > here, poison was scattered over the world. > > Nodus 1 9Vi 37 Nodus2 23Pi 24 (sidereal) > > This from Anne Wright's list . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Ron Day wrote:ONE'.... > > I can't help thinking that there will be a BIG SOMETHING in America > this > year. This is based on the topocentric SE chart (April)for Washington > which > I have already discussed. An event may happen shortly after the > solar > eclipse. > > The ascendent is close to the fixed star Nodus 1 and the eclpise point > is > close to the fixed star Nodus2. The ancients said that when a comet > was > here, poison was scattered over the world. Hi Ron, I can't help you on Nodus 1 and 2, but I'm with you on a big event. The March 10 New Moon sets up with Sun/Moon square Pluto while freezing into place the Mars/Saturn/Nodes grand cross. Mars and Saturn are still close to 0 latitude while now coming into longitudinal opposition. There are powerful hits against the California chart (Sept 9, 1850) towards the end of the month as Saturn and Pluto make their stations (March 21st to 26th). The March New Moon also powerfully impacts the foundation chart for Yellowstone National Park (March 1, 1872) and the entrance dates into the Union of Wyoming, Idaho, Washington and Montana. The super volcano there blows up every 600,000 years and is now overdue about 20,000 years. Scientists don't seem to be overly concerned--they say it could go tomorrow or thousands of years from now. However the park is heating up and scientists are keeping a close watch. There is some information out there that this impending eruption may be linked to the 3rd vision of Fatima. More on this later with some astrological insights.... Best, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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