Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Hi Therese & Group Apropos your last posting on EXIT POLL results. Here below is more of the story of the Bush DECEPTION. As I indicated in November 2004 the relevant event date of the U.S. elections was not November 2; but, in keeping with the legal requirements of the U.S. constitutional republic, the December 13, 2004 electoral college vote. Between 11:49 am and 12:13 pm on December 13th the Sun was exactly conjunct Pluto @ 27 " 14' Scorpio. Suggesting what did eventuate: Bush's highly successful deception, the ballot box theft of the U.S. Presidency. Also, In keeping with the astro-numerological DOUBLE-13 of that date: ie, Day #13; Date #13 (12+13+2004=3+4+6= " 13 " ) Statistical analysis shows US election was fixedProminent Statisticians Refute 'Explanation' of 2004 U.S. Exit Poll Discrepancies in New Edison/ Mitofsky Report and Urge Investigation of U.S. Presidential Election Results http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2005/1/emw203331.htm President Bush won November's election by 2.5% yet exit polls showed Kerry leading by 3%. Which was correct? (PRWEB) January 31, 2005 -- " There are statistical indications that a systematic, nationwide shift of 5.5% of the vote may have occurred, and that we'll never get to the bottom of this, unless we gather the data we need for mathematical analysis and open, robust scientific debate. " , says Bruce O'Dell, USCountVotes' Vice President. The study, ¡°Response to Edison/Mitofsky Election System 2004 Report¡±, was co-authored by a diverse group of academicians specializing in statistics and mathematics affiliated with University of Notre Dame, University of Pennsylvania, University of Utah, Cornell University, University of Wisconsin, Southern Methodist University, Case Western Reserve University and Temple University. Their study does not support claims made by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International that exit poll errors were to blame for the unprecedented 5.5% discrepancy between exit polls and official 2004 election results. According to analysis by the group of senior statisticians, the new data just released by the exit-pollsters shows that the possibility that the overall vote count was substantially corrupted must be taken seriously. ¡°Now we have statistical evidence that these reports were the tip of a national iceberg. The hypothesis that the discrepancy between the exit polls and election results is due to errors in the official election tally is a coherent theory that must be explored,¡± said statistician Josh Mitteldorf. Their paper titled " Response to Edison/Mitofsky Election System 2004 Report " notes that the Edison/Mitofsky report offers no evidence to support their conclusion that Kerry voters ¡°participated in the exit polls at a higher rate than Bush voters¡±. In fact, the data provided in the Edison/Mitofsky report suggests that the opposite may have been true: Bush strongholds had slightly higher response rates than Kerry strongholds. The statisticians' study is available online at: http://uscountvotes.org/ucvAnalysis/US/USCountVotes_Re_Mitofsky-Edison.pdf The statisticians go on to note that precincts with hand-counted paper ballots showed no statistical discrepancy between the exit polls and the official results, but for other voting technologies, the overall discrepancy was far larger than the polls¡¯ margin of error. The pollsters at Edison/Mitofsky agreed that their 2004 exit polls, for whatever reason, had the poorest accuracy in at least twenty years. USCountVotes, a nonprofit, non-partisan Utah corporation was founded in December 2004. Its mission is to create and analyze a database containing precinct-level election results for the entire United States; to do a thorough mathematical analysis of the 2004 election results; and to fully investigate the 2004 Presidential election results. USCountVotes actively seeks volunteers and accepts donations to help make this unprecedented civic project a reality ¨C visit www.uscountvotes.org for further information. Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 We don't need these people :: George Bush's sidereal solar return showed this in itself. It isn't as if fraud falsified astrology. Astrology shows result and how obtained. Astrology = all. Dark*Star _________________________________ John T W B wrote: > Hi Therese & Group > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I can't remember if the Democrats were as troubled by electoral inconsistencies in 1960 when the Daley machine rigged the Illinois vote for JFK? regards, Chris --- John T W B <jtwbjakarta wrote: > > Hi Therese & Group > > Apropos your last posting on EXIT POLL results. Here below is more of > the story of the Bush DECEPTION. As I indicated in November 2004 the > relevant event date of the U.S. elections was not November 2; but, in > keeping with the legal requirements of the U.S. constitutional republic, > the December 13, 2004 electoral college vote. Between 11:49 am and 12:13 > pm on December 13th the Sun was exactly conjunct Pluto @ 27 " 14' Scorpio. > Suggesting what did eventuate: Bush's highly successful deception, the > ballot box theft of the U.S. Presidency. Also, In keeping with the > astro-numerological DOUBLE-13 of that date: ie, Day #13; Date #13 > (12+13+2004=3+4+6= " 13 " ) > > > Statistical analysis shows US election was fixedProminent > Statisticians Refute 'Explanation' of 2004 U.S. Exit Poll Discrepancies > in New Edison/ Mitofsky Report and Urge Investigation > of U.S. Presidential Election Results > http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2005/1/emw203331.htm > > > > President Bush won November's election by 2.5% yet exit polls showed > Kerry leading by 3%. Which was correct? > > > > (PRWEB) January 31, 2005 -- " There are statistical indications that a > systematic, nationwide shift of 5.5% of the vote may have occurred, and > that we'll never get to the bottom of this, unless we gather the data we > need for mathematical analysis and open, robust scientific debate. " , > says Bruce O'Dell, USCountVotes' Vice President. > > > > The study, ¡°Response to Edison/Mitofsky Election System 2004 Report¡±, > was co-authored by a diverse group of academicians specializing in > statistics and mathematics affiliated with University of Notre Dame, > University of Pennsylvania, University of Utah, Cornell University, > University of Wisconsin, Southern Methodist University, Case Western > Reserve University and Temple University. Their study does not support > claims made by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International that > exit poll errors were to blame for the unprecedented 5.5% discrepancy > between exit polls and official 2004 election results. > > > > According to analysis by the group of senior statisticians, the new data > just released by the exit-pollsters shows that the possibility that the > overall vote count was substantially corrupted must be taken seriously. > ¡°Now we have statistical evidence that these reports were the tip of a > national iceberg. The hypothesis that the discrepancy between the exit > polls and election results is due to errors in the official election > tally is a coherent theory that must be explored,¡± said statistician > Josh Mitteldorf. > > > > Their paper titled " Response to Edison/Mitofsky Election System 2004 > Report " notes that the Edison/Mitofsky report offers no evidence to > support their conclusion that Kerry voters ¡°participated in the exit > polls at a higher rate than Bush voters¡±. In fact, the data provided in > the Edison/Mitofsky report suggests that the opposite may have been > true: Bush strongholds had slightly higher response rates than Kerry > strongholds. > > > > The statisticians' study is available online at: > http://uscountvotes.org/ucvAnalysis/US/USCountVotes_Re_Mitofsky-Edison.pdf > > > > The statisticians go on to note that precincts with hand-counted paper > ballots showed no statistical discrepancy between the exit polls and the > official results, but for other voting technologies, the overall > discrepancy was far larger than the polls¡¯ margin of error. The > pollsters at Edison/Mitofsky agreed that their 2004 exit polls, for > whatever reason, had the poorest accuracy in at least twenty years. > > > > USCountVotes, a nonprofit, non-partisan Utah corporation was founded in > December 2004. Its mission is to create and analyze a database > containing precinct-level election results for the entire United States; > to do a thorough mathematical analysis of the 2004 election results; and > to fully investigate the 2004 Presidential election results. > USCountVotes actively seeks volunteers and accepts donations to help > make this unprecedented civic project a reality ¨C visit > www.uscountvotes.org for further information. > > > > > Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 That was in Chicago, and I've read that it would have made no difference in the result if Chicago had gone to the Repubs. There was no electronic voting then, just stuffing the ballot box as election 'helpers' went from one polling place to another. Therese At 08:49 AM 2/3/05 -0800, you wrote: > >I can't remember if the Democrats were as troubled by electoral >inconsistencies in 1960 when the Daley machine rigged the Illinois vote >for JFK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 As the old adage goes, " if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'. JFK won Illinois by 9000 votes. He won Daley's Chicago by 450,000. After the election, the Republicans launched several judicial recounts and investigations (in Illinois and in other close states like LBJ's Texas which was known for notoriously crooked elections), but nothing significant was found. That doesn't necessarily mean illinois was won fair and square, just that no judge was willing or able to overturn the results. A bit like this time maybe -- their are studies and critics out there, but so far nothing real has come of it. Chris --- Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: > That was in Chicago, and I've read that it would have made no difference > in > the result if Chicago had gone to the Repubs. There was no electronic > voting then, just stuffing the ballot box as election 'helpers' went > from > one polling place to another. > > Therese > > At 08:49 AM 2/3/05 -0800, you wrote: > > > >I can't remember if the Democrats were as troubled by electoral > >inconsistencies in 1960 when the Daley machine rigged the Illinois vote > >for JFK? > > > Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I'm currently with Chris on this matter of the election. What in the charts tells us that the election was rigged? Who wanted to vote for Kerry when: He was asked at the Grand Canyon whether the US should have gone into Iraq knowing that were no Weapons of " Mass Destruction " and his reply was yes..... I sure as hell didn't... but lets deal with charts.... we might learn something... Please explain what you mean about the contents of his PSSR... and actually what you wrote went over my head... like zip... Go figure... I agree with Chris... The people spoke.. all less than 60% of registered voters. Jivio , Dark Star <pansophia@e...> wrote: > > We don't need these people :: George Bush's sidereal solar return showed this in itself. > It isn't as if fraud falsified astrology. Astrology shows result and how obtained. Astrology = all. > > Dark*Star > _________________________________ > > John T W B wrote: > > > Hi Therese & Group > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Sounds like the Bush coup was karma returned from the JFK 'election.' Therese At 12:43 PM 2/3/05 -0800, Chris wrote: > >As the old adage goes, " if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'. > >JFK won Illinois by 9000 votes. He won Daley's Chicago by 450,000. > >After the election, the Republicans launched several judicial recounts and >investigations (in Illinois and in other close states like LBJ's Texas >which was known for notoriously crooked elections), but nothing >significant was found. That doesn't necessarily mean illinois was won fair >and square, just that no judge was willing or able to overturn the >results... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Actually I always thought the final shot from the grassy knoll was karmically induced from the strings Joe Kennedy pulled back in '60. --- Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: > Sounds like the Bush coup was karma returned from the JFK 'election.' > > Therese > > At 12:43 PM 2/3/05 -0800, Chris wrote: > > > >As the old adage goes, " if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'. > > > >JFK won Illinois by 9000 votes. He won Daley's Chicago by 450,000. > > > >After the election, the Republicans launched several judicial recounts > and > >investigations (in Illinois and in other close states like LBJ's Texas > >which was known for notoriously crooked elections), but nothing > >significant was found. That doesn't necessarily mean illinois was won > fair > >and square, just that no judge was willing or able to overturn the > >results... > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Ah...power and politics!! At 04:14 PM 2/3/05 -0800, Chris wrote: > >Actually I always thought the final shot from the grassy knoll was >karmically induced from the strings Joe Kennedy pulled back in '60. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Jivio, --- jivio <jivio wrote: > > > I'm currently with Chris on this matter of the election. > > What in the charts tells us that the election was rigged? I've yet to see a systematic and hence persuasive analysis of this election being rigged. One would think there were enough previous examples in history to compile a workable database to show the astrological signature for it. Rather than starting with the assumption that this one was rigged and dredging up all sorts of portentous Plutonian hits, go back and find some cases of verifiably fraudulent elections and see what they have in common. The recent Ukrainian election would be a great data point in this regard since it is now recognized by just about everyone as fraudulent. The 1986 election in the Philippines that sparked the People Power Revolution was widely known to be faked. Chris Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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