Three and Four

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At 02:23 PM 7/13/05 +0300, Sari wrote:

 

>Hello Therese, and thank you for your efforts, I appreciate that. I

>understand really well that you're confused, because now when I've

>started to study Jyotish, I'm quite confused with Aristoteles too!

 

Hi Sari,

 

I think I've straightened out the elements and zodiac in my own mind, but

when you read Lehman, it seems that astrology down through the ages and

especially mondern Tropical astrology has really caused a lot of confusion

about the elements. The notes you quoted from Schmidt's Ptolemy text were

very enlightening. Lee Lehman spins a few webs in her book that illustrate

just how far the corruption has gone.

>I've too come to the conclusion that it's better to keep with the

>traditional masculine/feminine categories. All in all, the more I've

>looked charts through the sidereal zodiac, the more I've started to

>think that it's the sidereal signs that are in aligment with the

>traditional descriptions, rulers, elements, qualities etc. and the

>tropicalists are the ones who have to adapt their thinking and sometimes

>at worst, to try to put a round piece through a square hole.

 

We're going to have to move a mountain there! Especially since sidereal

astrologers either don't consider the elements and qualities (western

sidereal) or are so set in their zodiac (tropical) that it would take a

literal axis shift to get them out of the zodiac rut. (An axis shift would

change the tropical Aries point.)

>

>...too much

>rationalizing is what has made the western world what it is today - very

>masculine and scientifically oriented that is. It's interesting to note

>that in hindu astrology, especially with nakshatras, the key number is

>not four but three. Number four points to the world of matter, but

>number three points to the world of spirit...

 

This is a very interesting observation. I've been to India three times, and

the entire culture is what could be called 'irrational'--very emotional,

intuitive and dramatic. India has traditionally emphasised the world of

spirit, but in recent years--taking a key from the west--India has become

very materialistic. You can't get anything done in India without a monetary

bribe. Many more rational astrological concepts are making their way to

India. Very often in interpreting horoscopes Indian astrologers now pay

little attention to the nakshatras.

 

We're starting to get a blurred line between traditional Jyotish and

western concepts. The very worst offense is that newer Jyotish books are

calling the trigons 'fire,' 'earth,' 'air,' and 'water,' and giving them

the same interpretations as Tropical astrologers give them. And we've

learned from Project Hindsight that these were mistakes to start with.

 

Sincerely,

Therese