my son's data

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Therese, my son Jeff was born Oct. 26, 1970 In La Crosse Wisconsin at 4:22 pm

cst. His moon is in tropical virgo but sidereal Leo by De Luce. What I meant

by holding court was that Jeff was either loved and admired or hated and seen as

having a large ego, meaning they felt that he cared more about himself. While

working in securities and handling peoples money he poured a lot of his

financial backers money into his 3 homes, 5 cars ( including a corvette and a

jaguar for his wife ), trips to Europe with his 8 and 12 year old children, had

lavish parties for his salesmen and took them on all expense paid trips, and on

and on. He loved not only spending money on himself but also others and enjoyed

playing Santa Claus to them all. As his mother I felt it was because he needed

their admiration what he never received from his abusive childhood. Hence, I

said " holding court " . Since getting out of his business a couple years ago he

wrote e-books that were motivational and was trying

to start a speaking career as he used to speak at company conventions and

recieved standing ovations. Since then he lost everything due to 28 counts

against him and pleaded guilty by his lawyers advice to fraud and faces

sentencing nov 9th in federal court in madison wisconsin. He could get up to 20

years in prison, but pleaded guilty in hopes of a reduced sentence. Until then

he is doing cold calling sales to farmers with airial photography, My heart

goes out to my son because he is the most positive and loving person that I know

dispite what everyong thinks about him.

 

As for myself, tropically I have the sun in pisces and am very much sensitive to

my environment, escapist at times, an artist like my son above, and get lost in

daydreams and can't seem to make up my mind about anything. People say that I

have a calm manner and enjoy being around me. So, I said I lost my pisces by

being a sidereal aquarius then I realized that with De Luces formula that my

venus would go from aries to pisces so I could still have my pisces. That was

before I read your website on how the tropical sign of pisces actually describes

aquarius............so I guess that means I don't need to try for that venus in

pisces after all..................now I am really getting confused. So, getting

back to my son, by the formula you use his moon would still be in virgo. He just

seemed so Leo-like to me.

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Kat,

 

I'll be responding to your post soon. In the meantime, yes, you've answered

your own question about your 'Pisces' influence, which is really sidereal

Aquarius.

 

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You wrote: " Tropically I have the sun in pisces and am very much sensitive

to my environment, escapist at times, an artist like my son above, and get

lost in daydreams and can't seem to make up my mind about anything...That

was before I read your website on how the tropical sign of pisces actually

describes aquarius....so I guess that means I don't need to try for that

venus in pisces after all "

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Consider that before the discovery of Neptune, Pisces was ruled by Jupiter.

Now Jupiter is anything but 'sensitive, a daydreamer, undecided.' Simply

because Neptune was recently discovered doesn't change the nature of

Pisces. Jupiter is right 'out there,' soliciting attention and dealing with

groups of people. At the very least Jupiter is gregarious, friendly and

cheerful.

 

Bottom line is the so-called tropical 'Pisces' was never ruled by Jupiter

because in that sign we're seeing the underlying influence of sidereal

Aquarius. (Some sidereal astrologers believe that the tropical zodiac is

simply a myth, and all we're seeing is the sidereal signs.)

 

The old ruler of Aquarius is Saturn. In the old textbooks we find that

Saturn was linked to the occult. Sidereal Aquarius has always been

sensitive in a psychic way, just like the other sidereal signs of its

triplicity--Gemini and Libra. The fact that Uranus has been given to this

triplicity via Aquarius does a lot to explain the sensitivity of these

signs since Uranus is a planet that taps into invisible 'vibes' as they are

called today. A Uranian person senses the underlying currents rather than

paying attention only to visible mannerisms and spoken words. Uranus is

also changeable since mood switches happen often and without warning.

 

If you had your Venus in Pisces, this should have been very good for

marriage and relationships. But since you mentioned that your son had an

abusive childhood, I assume that this was not the way your life went. Venus

in a sign ruled by Saturn would better describe problem relationships.

 

More on your son's horoscope a little later.

 

Blessings,

Therese

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Kat wrote:

 

>>(My son's) moon is in tropical virgo but sidereal Leo by De Luce. What I

meant by holding court was that Jeff was either loved and admired or hated

and seen as having a large ego...He was like the King who held court. He

surrounded himself with luxury and people who paid homage to him...

 

Hi Kat,

 

You don't need the Moon in Leo to describe your son. Look at this partial

description of your son's lunar mansion from DeFouw and Svoboda's LIGHT ON

LIFE:

 

Mansion #11 (26Leo40 to Virgo 10)

" ...[this] Moon makes natives earn money by their learning, be generally

liked by all, and live a life in comfort and luxury...[this mansion

connotes] an eagerness to help others and alleviate suffering through

kindness and generosity. It also indicates the people one approaches for

favors and boons, the patronage one is likely to receive in life...there

may be gain or scandal or both through amorous adventures...Ascendant or

Moon here often couples good intelligence with a tendency toward indiscreet

behavior and a capacity for enjoying life...

 

" Professions: People of high position with wealth who are held in esteem by

others...People interested in helping their fellow human beings... "

 

So, Kat, we have these mostly positive traits combined with the strong

tendency to use other people's money for personal enjoyment. How can this

be seen in the birth chart? We learn something new with every horoscope we

study. Your son's chart shows the importance not only of the sign-as-house

system, but the ascendant degree around the chart as key power points.

The two planets closest to the equal cusps are Saturn in the 2nd (resources

and the money we have) in its fall in Aries opposed to Jupiter in Libra

near the 8th cusp (other people's resources).

 

Any Jyotish astrologer will tell your that Jupiter is poorly placed in

Libra. Jupiter belongs to the Ares-Leo-Sag trigon and is not comfortable in

a sign ruled by Venus. Jupiter is the morally upright planet, but in a sign

of Venus (perhaps especially Libra), it can deteriorate into a love of

luxury and fine living or a kind of manipulation of others. At the very

least Jupiter in Libra seems often to be fond of material possessions.

Saturn in the 2nd in the sign of its fall opposing a materialistic Jupiter

has created the difficult situation your son finds himself in.

 

Much of what you describe about your son's life is very much a Jupiter that

has run out of bounds. So we have Jupiter in the 8th near the cusp with the

Sun and Mercury opposed by Saturn in Aries, the Sun in Jupiter-ruled Sag in

the navamsa (...this places the navamsa Sag Sun and Mercury squarely on the

10th (career and reputation) natal equal cusp), and then a tight navamsa

conjunction of Jupiter and Mars in Aries, which falls in the natal 2nd

house sign. This is partly your son's gift in speech making. (Second house

rules speech.) Your son must have a kind of silver tongue to live the life

he has.

 

We cannot ignore the natal dispositors either. Venus disposits Mercury, Sun

and Jupiter in the 8th, and we find that Venus is with Neptune. So the use

of money was not above board, but very much Neptune tinged. With the Indian

equal house system, Neptune and Venus are in the 8th along with

Jupiter-Sun-Mercury. The 8th always indicates dealings with others, and

also a period of time in the life when one is forced to either cooperate

with others or suffer restriction.

 

So we see that there is a sort of duality in your son's life: He is both

generous and giving, but lacked the moral courage to keep his life and use

of money honest and above board. This is no one's fault but his own, so I

hope you don't blame yourself in any way. He is joined in his predicament

by some very big names in the financial world today.

 

Actually it's good that he didn't get away with the misuse of money because

now he'll have the opportunity to balance out his misdeeds while he is

still young. This is better than having to meet the situation much later in

life when it might be too much of a shock for him to deal with mentally and

physically. He'll have many years to set his life in a better direction.

 

Yes, if you include the Moon, he has quite a stellium in Virgo--and the

dispositor of the stellium is with the Sun and Jupiter in the 8th in Libra.

All those planets in Virgo (similar to Tropical Libra) give the ability to

fit into almost any situation and appear to be very much at home in diverse

groups. Virgo can be a very personable sign. Mercury gifts its

communication skills to this sign in particular. (Virgo is also a sign that

can be very comfortable with any occupation that deals with numbers, math

and finances, all of which come under Mercury.)

 

I wish both of you well in coming years. Thank you very much for posting

your data.

 

Blessings,

Therese

 

Kat wrote:

 

>>While working in securities and handling peoples money he poured a lot of

his financial backers money into his 3 homes, 5 cars ( including a corvette

and a jaguar for his wife ), trips to Europe with his 8 and 12 year old

children, had lavish parties for his salesmen and took them on all expense

paid trips, and on and on. He loved not only spending money on himself but

also others and enjoyed playing Santa Claus to them all...