VS: Planets turning around

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Therese wrote:

 

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Sari:

 

You're welcome. My full name is Sari Metsovuori.

 

Therese wrote:

 

I don't understand, however, how Neptune has taken on some of the

traditional qualities of Saturn, though Uranus seems to have absorbed

the more occult side of Saturn (as stated in the old books).

 

Sari:

 

I would say that Neptune has taken this loser - lost - self-undoing -

poor side of Saturn. Ron Grimes wrote in January on this list about

Saturn as follows (13.1.2005 #5007):

 

" I know it's always said that Saturn is the spiritual planet, and I

would agree that it represents those engaged in renunciative practices,

but in reality, how many of them ever perceive their true nature? I

don't see Saturn as spiritual at all, but a fleeing from the world in

order to find something that doesn't exist. (...)

 

Saturn, in my view, is the delusion of spirituality because one has

withdrawn from the world and gone within himself (sounds like extreme

egoism to me), while Mars forgets self and engages in the world,

thinking of the whole, the team, and in so doing finds himself and his

own purpose. Saturn's self absorption with his own enlightenment keeps

him from ever finding it. As it is said, until one abandon's the search

for enlightenment, it is impossible to find it. One must turn outward

and away from the Saturn mentality to serve others before one's own

purpose and enlightenment can be discovered. It is said in Zen that you

will never awaken until you lose your desire for your own enlightenment

and desire above all the enlightement of all beings. Enlightenment is

found in the turning outward. Saturn's turn inward is the extreme of

egoism disguised as renunciation (a spiritual term assigned to the most

selfish of all actions). Saturn is the predecessor of the spiritual path

because it represents as far as you can go before you must turn around

to finally see the light, but it is not the spiritual path. It is

extreme darkness because it is extreme contraction into a tiny ego

hardened shell. "

 

So, on this basis I would say that Neptune has taken some of the

qualities of Saturn. As a malefic, Saturn is an extremely selfish

planet, in the same way as a junkie who loses him/herself in esoterism

and thinks that s/he is so much more enlightened than those ordinary

working people with their banal chores; or like the guy in my workplace

who saved money for travelling to India and left a total mess behind

him, because he didn't care to do his share.

 

Therese wrote:

 

Then the million dollar question: " Is there really a Tropical Capricorn,

or are only the sidereal signs for real? "

 

Sari:

 

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Martie, I have Mars squaring tightly my ascendant (from Pisces to

Gemini) and I've have a bad acne that was a problem especially in my

teen years. At that time I run the Mars dasa and I think the Mars

symbolism explains perfectly well the problems I was facing then.

 

Best, Sari