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" Sari Metsovuori " <gerdapp

 

Thursday, September 21, 2006 9:22 AM

Taurus as the first sign of the zodiac

 

 

> I've thought lately the point made by Cyril Fagan, that in the ancient

> times

> Taurus was the first sign in the zodiac. That would make the signs ruled

> by

> the Sun and the Moon, and the signs ruled by Saturn to settle on both

> sides

> of the " MC/IC axis " (I'm putting this in quotes because I'm talking about

> whole sign houses). The exaltation / debilitation signs of the Sun and the

> Moon would come in both sides of the " ASC/DC axis " .

>

> That made me to start going through again Rudhyar's Pulse of Life

> http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/pofl/pofl_p1p1.shtml ;

> there Rudhyar writes how the zodiac, like all cycles, is alternating

> between

> individualistic " Day Force " and collectivizing " Night Force " . Rudhyar's

> point of view is of course strictly tropical, but I thought that if we put

> Taurus as the first sign, then the signs ruled by the Lights become the

> apex

> of individualization, the Day Force, and signs ruled by Saturn become the

> apex of collectivization, the Night Force. How very fitting! I noticed

> that

> I can read Rudhyar's sign descriptions taking one sign backwards, by

> making

> tropical Gemini roughly as sidereal Taurus, tropical Cancer roughly as

> sidereal Gemini etc.

>

> By putting tropical Gemini as the " first house " , we get

>

> - tropical Cancer / sidereal Gemini as the second house of family and

> family origins in jyotish. Rudhyar makes a strong point of how " Cancer "

> represents the phase where man searches for a partner to settle down and

> create his familiar sphere. One needs only think about the loving Gemini

> couple, Mithuna in Sanskrit, which points to the word " maithuna " meaning

> sexual union. English has several dozens words beginning with " merc " and

> most of them point to trading - the second house is traditionally about

> money and specially about buying and selling.

>

> - tropical Leo / sidereal Cancer becomes the 3th house of writing (the

> Moon), and the house of prowess and performing arts (tropical Leo). It's

> also said to represent the quality of the food we eat - the Moon being

> about

> instictual surviving among other things (JackMaker pointed to this too and

> I

> agree).

>

> - tropical Virgo / sidereal Leo becomes the 4th house of inner happiness

> and

> the soul (the Sun) and in traditional Western astrology - the house of

> father.

>

> - tropical Libra / sidereal Virgo becomes the 5th house of creativity and

> gambling(Mercury).

>

> - tropical Scorpio / sidereal Libra becomes the 6th house of strife; think

> about all those war lords with sidereal Libra prominent in their charts.

>

> - tropical Sagittarius / sidereal Scorpio becomes the 7th house of (open)

> enemies among other things. It's also traditionally about sex and modern

> Western astrologers connect sex mainly with Mars, not with Venus. I wonder

> if there's something in it after all...? Mars surely is about

> testosterone.

> By putting Taurus as the first sign we would get both of the main sexual

> houses in jyotish, the 7th and the 12th, under signs ruled by Mars.

>

> - tropical Capricorn / sidereal Sagittarius becomes the 8th house of

> suffering and chronical illnesses.

>

> - tropical Aquarius / sidereal Capricorn becomes the 9th house of foreign

> countries.

>

> - tropical Pisces / sidereal Aquarius becomes the 10th house of mother in

> traditional Western astrology.

>

> - tropical Aries / sidereal Pisces becomes the 11th house of plenty

> (Jupiter).

>

> - tropical Taurus / sidereal Aries becomes the 12th house of bed pleasures

> (enjoyments as with tropical Taurus).

>

> Regards, Sari

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Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:55 PM

Re: Taurus as the first sign of the zodiac

 

 

> Sari,

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, " Sari Metsovuori " <gerdapp

wrote:

>

> I've thought lately the point made by Cyril Fagan, that in the ancient times

> Taurus was the first sign in the zodiac. That would make the signs ruled by

> the Sun and the Moon, and the signs ruled by Saturn to settle on both sides

> of the " MC/IC axis " (I'm putting this in quotes because I'm talking about

> whole sign houses). The exaltation / debilitation signs of the Sun and the

> Moon would come in both sides of the " ASC/DC axis " .

>

> That made me to start going through again Rudhyar's Pulse of Life

> http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/pofl/pofl_p1p1.shtml ;

> there Rudhyar writes how the zodiac, like all cycles, is alternating between

> individualistic " Day Force " and collectivizing " Night Force " . Rudhyar's

> point of view is of course strictly tropical, but I thought that if we put

> Taurus as the first sign, then the signs ruled by the Lights become the apex

> of individualization, the Day Force, and signs ruled by Saturn become the

> apex of collectivization, the Night Force. How very fitting! I noticed that

> I can read Rudhyar's sign descriptions taking one sign backwards, by making

> tropical Gemini roughly as sidereal Taurus, tropical Cancer roughly as

> sidereal Gemini etc.

>

> By putting tropical Gemini as the " first house " , we get

>

> - tropical Cancer / sidereal Gemini as the second house of family and

> family origins in jyotish. Rudhyar makes a strong point of how " Cancer "

> represents the phase where man searches for a partner to settle down and

> create his familiar sphere. One needs only think about the loving Gemini

> couple, Mithuna in Sanskrit, which points to the word " maithuna " meaning

> sexual union. English has several dozens words beginning with " merc " and

> most of them point to trading - the second house is traditionally about

> money and specially about buying and selling. ......

>

 

 

I apologize for the late reply to this post, but I thought that Sari Metsovuori

and others also might be interested in the following website:

 

http://www.spiritualrealist.com/ASTROLOGY/Astrology.asp

 

The sign delineations are all based on Sari's idea of taking Taurus as the first

sign and equating it to the first house.

 

I personally think that 0°Taurus (or equivalently, 0°Leo, Scorpio, or Aquarius)

_is_ a correct point from which to multiply by 9 (and 81) when calculating the

Novien (a.k.a. Navamsa) charts with the Fagan/Bradley ayanamsa, because this

procedure follows the natural " diurnal/nocturnal " rulership axis of Leo/Aquarius

and the inner/outer planet axis of Taurus/Scorpio. In this way neither of the

adjacent Moon/Sun ruled signs contains the others Novien sign, and the same is

true of the adjacent pairs of Venus/Mars and the two Saturn signs -

Capricorn/Aquarius. Among the unique Mercury/Jupiter signs, Gemini and

Sagittarius exclude each other, as do Virgo and Pisces.

 

It seems that 0° Aries, Cancer, Libra, and Capricorn are more important in the

context of outer world mundane events via Solar and Lunar Ingresses. A good

example is the July 1939 Solar Cancer Ingress (Fagan ayanamsa) with the partile

Moon/Mars/Pluto opposition (see http://tinyurl.com/jggz8/cansolar1939.html ).

Two months later on August 23, 1939 Mars went stationary direct - at 0°01'05 "

Capricorn! - followed by the Moon's entry to 0°Capricorn conjoining Mars at

0°02'. Of course World War II broke out in September.

 

Gary

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Sorry, In my last post I the wrong URL for the chart of the 1939 Solar Cancer

Ingress. It should be: http://tinyurl.com/jggz8/cansolar1939/

 

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, " Gary C. " <jlcur wrote:

>

>

>

>

> , " Sari Metsovuori " <gerdapp@> wrote:

> >

> > I've thought lately the point made by Cyril Fagan, that in the ancient times

> > Taurus was the first sign in the zodiac. That would make the signs ruled by

> > the Sun and the Moon, and the signs ruled by Saturn to settle on both sides

> > of the " MC/IC axis " (I'm putting this in quotes because I'm talking about

> > whole sign houses). The exaltation / debilitation signs of the Sun and the

> > Moon would come in both sides of the " ASC/DC axis " .

> >

> > That made me to start going through again Rudhyar's Pulse of Life

> > http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/pofl/pofl_p1p1.shtml ;

> > there Rudhyar writes how the zodiac, like all cycles, is alternating between

> > individualistic " Day Force " and collectivizing " Night Force " . Rudhyar's

> > point of view is of course strictly tropical, but I thought that if we put

> > Taurus as the first sign, then the signs ruled by the Lights become the apex

> > of individualization, the Day Force, and signs ruled by Saturn become the

> > apex of collectivization, the Night Force. How very fitting! I noticed that

> > I can read Rudhyar's sign descriptions taking one sign backwards, by making

> > tropical Gemini roughly as sidereal Taurus, tropical Cancer roughly as

> > sidereal Gemini etc.

> >

> > By putting tropical Gemini as the " first house " , we get

> >

> > - tropical Cancer / sidereal Gemini as the second house of family and

> > family origins in jyotish. Rudhyar makes a strong point of how " Cancer "

> > represents the phase where man searches for a partner to settle down and

> > create his familiar sphere. One needs only think about the loving Gemini

> > couple, Mithuna in Sanskrit, which points to the word " maithuna " meaning

> > sexual union. English has several dozens words beginning with " merc " and

> > most of them point to trading - the second house is traditionally about

> > money and specially about buying and selling. ......

> >

>

>

> I apologize for the late reply to this post, but I thought that Sari

Metsovuori and others also might be interested in the following website:

>

> http://www.spiritualrealist.com/ASTROLOGY/Astrology.asp

>

> The sign delineations are all based on Sari's idea of taking Taurus as the

first sign and equating it to the first house.

>

> I personally think that 0°Taurus (or equivalently, 0°Leo, Scorpio, or

Aquarius) _is_ a correct point from which to multiply by 9 (and 81) when

calculating the Novien (a.k.a. Navamsa) charts with the Fagan/Bradley ayanamsa,

because this procedure follows the natural " diurnal/nocturnal " rulership axis of

Leo/Aquarius and the inner/outer planet axis of Taurus/Scorpio. In this way

neither of the adjacent Moon/Sun ruled signs contains the others Novien sign,

and the same is true of the adjacent pairs of Venus/Mars and the two Saturn

signs - Capricorn/Aquarius. Among the unique Mercury/Jupiter signs, Gemini and

Sagittarius exclude each other, as do Virgo and Pisces.

>

> It seems that 0° Aries, Cancer, Libra, and Capricorn are more important in the

context of outer world mundane events via Solar and Lunar Ingresses. A good

example is the July 1939 Solar Cancer Ingress (Fagan ayanamsa) with the partile

Moon/Mars/Pluto opposition (see http://tinyurl.com/jggz8/cansolar1939.html ).

Two months later on August 23, 1939 Mars went stationary direct - at 0°01'05 "

Capricorn! - followed by the Moon's entry to 0°Capricorn conjoining Mars at

0°02'. Of course World War II broke out in September.

>

> Gary

>

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