Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Sari, You are brilliant! Scribe - " Sari Metsovuori " <gerdapp Thursday, September 21, 2006 9:22 AM Taurus as the first sign of the zodiac > I've thought lately the point made by Cyril Fagan, that in the ancient > times > Taurus was the first sign in the zodiac. That would make the signs ruled > by > the Sun and the Moon, and the signs ruled by Saturn to settle on both > sides > of the " MC/IC axis " (I'm putting this in quotes because I'm talking about > whole sign houses). The exaltation / debilitation signs of the Sun and the > Moon would come in both sides of the " ASC/DC axis " . > > That made me to start going through again Rudhyar's Pulse of Life > http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/pofl/pofl_p1p1.shtml ; > there Rudhyar writes how the zodiac, like all cycles, is alternating > between > individualistic " Day Force " and collectivizing " Night Force " . Rudhyar's > point of view is of course strictly tropical, but I thought that if we put > Taurus as the first sign, then the signs ruled by the Lights become the > apex > of individualization, the Day Force, and signs ruled by Saturn become the > apex of collectivization, the Night Force. How very fitting! I noticed > that > I can read Rudhyar's sign descriptions taking one sign backwards, by > making > tropical Gemini roughly as sidereal Taurus, tropical Cancer roughly as > sidereal Gemini etc. > > By putting tropical Gemini as the " first house " , we get > > - tropical Cancer / sidereal Gemini as the second house of family and > family origins in jyotish. Rudhyar makes a strong point of how " Cancer " > represents the phase where man searches for a partner to settle down and > create his familiar sphere. One needs only think about the loving Gemini > couple, Mithuna in Sanskrit, which points to the word " maithuna " meaning > sexual union. English has several dozens words beginning with " merc " and > most of them point to trading - the second house is traditionally about > money and specially about buying and selling. > > - tropical Leo / sidereal Cancer becomes the 3th house of writing (the > Moon), and the house of prowess and performing arts (tropical Leo). It's > also said to represent the quality of the food we eat - the Moon being > about > instictual surviving among other things (JackMaker pointed to this too and > I > agree). > > - tropical Virgo / sidereal Leo becomes the 4th house of inner happiness > and > the soul (the Sun) and in traditional Western astrology - the house of > father. > > - tropical Libra / sidereal Virgo becomes the 5th house of creativity and > gambling(Mercury). > > - tropical Scorpio / sidereal Libra becomes the 6th house of strife; think > about all those war lords with sidereal Libra prominent in their charts. > > - tropical Sagittarius / sidereal Scorpio becomes the 7th house of (open) > enemies among other things. It's also traditionally about sex and modern > Western astrologers connect sex mainly with Mars, not with Venus. I wonder > if there's something in it after all...? Mars surely is about > testosterone. > By putting Taurus as the first sign we would get both of the main sexual > houses in jyotish, the 7th and the 12th, under signs ruled by Mars. > > - tropical Capricorn / sidereal Sagittarius becomes the 8th house of > suffering and chronical illnesses. > > - tropical Aquarius / sidereal Capricorn becomes the 9th house of foreign > countries. > > - tropical Pisces / sidereal Aquarius becomes the 10th house of mother in > traditional Western astrology. > > - tropical Aries / sidereal Pisces becomes the 11th house of plenty > (Jupiter). > > - tropical Taurus / sidereal Aries becomes the 12th house of bed pleasures > (enjoyments as with tropical Taurus). > > Regards, Sari > > > > " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " ----- > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > / > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Thanks! ) Regards, Sari - " Scribe " <scribe Cc: " scribe " <scribe Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:55 PM Re: Taurus as the first sign of the zodiac > Sari, > You are brilliant! > Scribe > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 , " Sari Metsovuori " <gerdapp wrote: > > I've thought lately the point made by Cyril Fagan, that in the ancient times > Taurus was the first sign in the zodiac. That would make the signs ruled by > the Sun and the Moon, and the signs ruled by Saturn to settle on both sides > of the " MC/IC axis " (I'm putting this in quotes because I'm talking about > whole sign houses). The exaltation / debilitation signs of the Sun and the > Moon would come in both sides of the " ASC/DC axis " . > > That made me to start going through again Rudhyar's Pulse of Life > http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/pofl/pofl_p1p1.shtml ; > there Rudhyar writes how the zodiac, like all cycles, is alternating between > individualistic " Day Force " and collectivizing " Night Force " . Rudhyar's > point of view is of course strictly tropical, but I thought that if we put > Taurus as the first sign, then the signs ruled by the Lights become the apex > of individualization, the Day Force, and signs ruled by Saturn become the > apex of collectivization, the Night Force. How very fitting! I noticed that > I can read Rudhyar's sign descriptions taking one sign backwards, by making > tropical Gemini roughly as sidereal Taurus, tropical Cancer roughly as > sidereal Gemini etc. > > By putting tropical Gemini as the " first house " , we get > > - tropical Cancer / sidereal Gemini as the second house of family and > family origins in jyotish. Rudhyar makes a strong point of how " Cancer " > represents the phase where man searches for a partner to settle down and > create his familiar sphere. One needs only think about the loving Gemini > couple, Mithuna in Sanskrit, which points to the word " maithuna " meaning > sexual union. English has several dozens words beginning with " merc " and > most of them point to trading - the second house is traditionally about > money and specially about buying and selling. ...... > I apologize for the late reply to this post, but I thought that Sari Metsovuori and others also might be interested in the following website: http://www.spiritualrealist.com/ASTROLOGY/Astrology.asp The sign delineations are all based on Sari's idea of taking Taurus as the first sign and equating it to the first house. I personally think that 0°Taurus (or equivalently, 0°Leo, Scorpio, or Aquarius) _is_ a correct point from which to multiply by 9 (and 81) when calculating the Novien (a.k.a. Navamsa) charts with the Fagan/Bradley ayanamsa, because this procedure follows the natural " diurnal/nocturnal " rulership axis of Leo/Aquarius and the inner/outer planet axis of Taurus/Scorpio. In this way neither of the adjacent Moon/Sun ruled signs contains the others Novien sign, and the same is true of the adjacent pairs of Venus/Mars and the two Saturn signs - Capricorn/Aquarius. Among the unique Mercury/Jupiter signs, Gemini and Sagittarius exclude each other, as do Virgo and Pisces. It seems that 0° Aries, Cancer, Libra, and Capricorn are more important in the context of outer world mundane events via Solar and Lunar Ingresses. A good example is the July 1939 Solar Cancer Ingress (Fagan ayanamsa) with the partile Moon/Mars/Pluto opposition (see http://tinyurl.com/jggz8/cansolar1939.html ). Two months later on August 23, 1939 Mars went stationary direct - at 0°01'05 " Capricorn! - followed by the Moon's entry to 0°Capricorn conjoining Mars at 0°02'. Of course World War II broke out in September. Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Sorry, In my last post I the wrong URL for the chart of the 1939 Solar Cancer Ingress. It should be: http://tinyurl.com/jggz8/cansolar1939/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ , " Gary C. " <jlcur wrote: > > > > > , " Sari Metsovuori " <gerdapp@> wrote: > > > > I've thought lately the point made by Cyril Fagan, that in the ancient times > > Taurus was the first sign in the zodiac. That would make the signs ruled by > > the Sun and the Moon, and the signs ruled by Saturn to settle on both sides > > of the " MC/IC axis " (I'm putting this in quotes because I'm talking about > > whole sign houses). The exaltation / debilitation signs of the Sun and the > > Moon would come in both sides of the " ASC/DC axis " . > > > > That made me to start going through again Rudhyar's Pulse of Life > > http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/pofl/pofl_p1p1.shtml ; > > there Rudhyar writes how the zodiac, like all cycles, is alternating between > > individualistic " Day Force " and collectivizing " Night Force " . Rudhyar's > > point of view is of course strictly tropical, but I thought that if we put > > Taurus as the first sign, then the signs ruled by the Lights become the apex > > of individualization, the Day Force, and signs ruled by Saturn become the > > apex of collectivization, the Night Force. How very fitting! I noticed that > > I can read Rudhyar's sign descriptions taking one sign backwards, by making > > tropical Gemini roughly as sidereal Taurus, tropical Cancer roughly as > > sidereal Gemini etc. > > > > By putting tropical Gemini as the " first house " , we get > > > > - tropical Cancer / sidereal Gemini as the second house of family and > > family origins in jyotish. Rudhyar makes a strong point of how " Cancer " > > represents the phase where man searches for a partner to settle down and > > create his familiar sphere. One needs only think about the loving Gemini > > couple, Mithuna in Sanskrit, which points to the word " maithuna " meaning > > sexual union. English has several dozens words beginning with " merc " and > > most of them point to trading - the second house is traditionally about > > money and specially about buying and selling. ...... > > > > > I apologize for the late reply to this post, but I thought that Sari Metsovuori and others also might be interested in the following website: > > http://www.spiritualrealist.com/ASTROLOGY/Astrology.asp > > The sign delineations are all based on Sari's idea of taking Taurus as the first sign and equating it to the first house. > > I personally think that 0°Taurus (or equivalently, 0°Leo, Scorpio, or Aquarius) _is_ a correct point from which to multiply by 9 (and 81) when calculating the Novien (a.k.a. Navamsa) charts with the Fagan/Bradley ayanamsa, because this procedure follows the natural " diurnal/nocturnal " rulership axis of Leo/Aquarius and the inner/outer planet axis of Taurus/Scorpio. In this way neither of the adjacent Moon/Sun ruled signs contains the others Novien sign, and the same is true of the adjacent pairs of Venus/Mars and the two Saturn signs - Capricorn/Aquarius. Among the unique Mercury/Jupiter signs, Gemini and Sagittarius exclude each other, as do Virgo and Pisces. > > It seems that 0° Aries, Cancer, Libra, and Capricorn are more important in the context of outer world mundane events via Solar and Lunar Ingresses. A good example is the July 1939 Solar Cancer Ingress (Fagan ayanamsa) with the partile Moon/Mars/Pluto opposition (see http://tinyurl.com/jggz8/cansolar1939.html ). Two months later on August 23, 1939 Mars went stationary direct - at 0°01'05 " Capricorn! - followed by the Moon's entry to 0°Capricorn conjoining Mars at 0°02'. Of course World War II broke out in September. > > Gary > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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