Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 At 04:22 PM 9/21/06 +0300, Sari wrote: >I've thought lately the point made by Cyril Fagan, that in the ancient times >Taurus was the first sign in the zodiac... Hi Sari, There are some interesting ideas in your post except that Cyril Fagan was wrong when he said that Taurus was once the first sign of the zodiac. It's true that Alcyone (the Pleiades) in Taurus marked the first lunar mansion in different ancient cultures, but by the time the 12 sign zodiac was discovered, the first sign was Aries. Taurus never began the 12 sign zodiac. At least the records that have been discovered of the earliest zodiac make Aries the first sign. There is, however, a valid divison of the zodiac between Cancer and Leo marking the day/night (solar/lunar) halves of the zodiac. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 Hi Therese, you wrote: > There are some interesting ideas in your post except that Cyril Fagan was > wrong when he said that Taurus was once the first sign of the zodiac. It's > true that Alcyone (the Pleiades) in Taurus marked the first lunar mansion > in different ancient cultures, but by the time the 12 sign zodiac was > discovered, the first sign was Aries. Taurus never began the 12 sign > zodiac. At least the records that have been discovered of the earliest > zodiac make Aries the first sign. - How pity! But the idea seems still intriguing... Regards, Sari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 I still think you're brilliant, Sari. - Sari Metsovuori Friday, September 22, 2006 12:06 PM Re: Re: Taurus as the first sign Hi Therese, you wrote: > There are some interesting ideas in your post except that Cyril Fagan was > wrong when he said that Taurus was once the first sign of the zodiac. It's > true that Alcyone (the Pleiades) in Taurus marked the first lunar mansion > in different ancient cultures, but by the time the 12 sign zodiac was > discovered, the first sign was Aries. Taurus never began the 12 sign > zodiac. At least the records that have been discovered of the earliest > zodiac make Aries the first sign. - How pity! But the idea seems still intriguing... Regards, Sari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 At 08:08 PM 9/22/06 -0400, Scribe wrote: >I still think you're brilliant, Sari. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cerainly she's a bright and refreshing voice on this forum! And English isn't even her native language. How smart is that?! Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2006 Report Share Posted September 26, 2006 At 05:42 AM 9/23/06 -0000, JackMaker wrote: >Are the other M.A.G. S.F., CA Siderealistos still active in this forum?? Hi Jack, I don't know the answer to your question, but you might also check the Physics of Sidereal Astrology forum. >In regards to the Taurus as 1st thread, from what I've read, Fagan and the (Pre-?) >Egyptians set Libra as the first sign. The glyph for Libra representing the sun rising on the horizon... Not wanting to disillusion you, but since Fagan's time we've learned definitely that the zodiac as we know it came from Meslopotamia, and Libra was never he first sign. It was always Aries, though the lunar mansions always began with the Pleaides in Taurus. >Pluto... Is anyone else marvelling at how Pluto has spent the past thirteen- >howevermany-years in Sidereal Scorpio, then it breeches Sagittarius briefly, retrogrades >back into Scorpio (where it is now), and is then reclassified as a minor planet, or whatever- The few astronomers that demoted Pluto have many other astronomoers to disagree with them. Siderealists always gave Pluto to Aries unless they gave it no sign rulership at all. For me, Pluto is still out there as a viable astrological planet. Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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