Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 Hi Do astrologers really claim to tell the future? Paulo At 13:57 2-11-2006, you wrote: Hi Rudolf remember that the chart doesnt tell the future.We are free to choose to go to Australia or stay in Hungary which naturally will bring changes to the lives of twins Paulo, The basic premise of astrology is that the horoscope foretells character AND future, and that is what many astrologers still and most sincerely believe. But, it just ain't true.. Rudolf H. Smit rudolf.h.smit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 Paulo, Some are better at it than others. I'm not so great, nor do I want to be, but if I see a major aspect coming up I can usually tell the general gist of it. For example, a few years back I saw that transiting Mars would be quincunx my natal asc. ruler Mercury while stationary. I anticipated some sort of illness or accident, as that's what quincunxes are supposed to signify. When the time came, it turned out I needed surgery for a small beginning stage cancer. Some people are super accurate, others aren't. My personal philosophy is that it's better not to dwell on it, but live in the present. That's my philosophy, but I don't always follow it. Bettina _____ On Behalf Of paulo mendes Thursday, November 02, 2006 12:18 PM vedic astrology ; ; NineStarKi ; tradfengshui ; mail what do you think about this Hi Do astrologers really claim to tell the future? Paulo At 13:57 2-11-2006, you wrote: Hi Rudolf remember that the chart doesnt tell the future.We are free to choose to go to Australia or stay in Hungary which naturally will bring changes to the lives of twins Paulo, The basic premise of astrology is that the horoscope foretells character AND future, and that is what many astrologers still and most sincerely believe. But, it just ain't true.. Rudolf H. Smit rudolf.h.smit@ <rudolf.h.smit%40hccnet.nl> hccnet.nl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 The picture seems incomplete without Jupiter. Did it factor in at the time? _________________________________ Bettina Woolard wrote: > Paulo, > > For example, a few years back I saw that transiting Mars would be > quincunx my natal asc. ruler Mercury while stationary. I anticipated > some > sort of illness or accident, as that's what quincunxes are supposed to > > signify. When the time came, it turned out I needed surgery for a > small > beginning stage cancer. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 how can a short transit like Mars cause Cancer? Im sure ive had lots of quincunses betwen mars and my ascendant Paulo - Dark Star Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:41 PM Re: what do you think about this The picture seems incomplete without Jupiter. Did it factor in at the time? _________________________________ Bettina Woolard wrote: > Paulo, > > For example, a few years back I saw that transiting Mars would be > quincunx my natal asc. ruler Mercury while stationary. I anticipated > some > sort of illness or accident, as that's what quincunxes are supposed to > > signify. When the time came, it turned out I needed surgery for a > small > beginning stage cancer. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 I am happy just to construct a framework of understanding from which events of a certain shape can unfold. I ask for nothing more. On arising this morning I went to the computer to find my progressed Moon was upon a friend's regressed Venus to minute when transiting Mercury (retrograde) aspected them exactly during the hour. My friend is deceased. The message was about Art and was awakened by affection. This whole thing transpired upon remembering suddenly a painting seen many years ago. It was titled (I think)...Little Known Adventures of the Progressed Moon...and had been done by an astrologer confined to a madhouse in Holland earlier in the century. The exhibition appeared in the States and the Haags Gemeentemuseum. Astrology may be ( is!) fictive ~ but sometimes fiction is more useful than 'truth'. Dark*Star ________________________________ paulo mendes wrote: > Hi Do astrologers really claim to tell the future? > > Paulo, > > The basic premise of astrology is that the horoscope foretells > character AND future, and that is what many astrologers still and most > sincerely believe. But, it just ain't true.. > > Rudolf H. Smit > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Mars didn't cause anything. It just stood significantly still against Bettina's Mercury so she might scuttle her body off to the doctor for heal (cadaeceus). The doctor was clever and it was only a small problem. We know he was clever because she survived to tell us the story. I was addressing instead Bettina's whole milieu because somewhere in that oort's cloud there was a Cancer being formed by Mars-Jupiter. Just where? It would just be a little nub with her . For something big in the 3-H club of health-hospital-and-heaven see the MA-JU of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis. Awakened to Art by a dead friend, Dark*Star ________________________________ paulo mendes wrote: > how can a short transit like Mars cause Cancer? Im sure ive had lots > of quincunses betwen mars and my ascendant > Paulo > > > - > Dark Star > > The picture seems incomplete without Jupiter. Did it factor in at the > time? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Paulo, Can you give a complete " portrait " of you, and which questions you wish to be answered? Otherwise, I feel you want to test us, not astrology!.... -- Alex.... vexed paulo mendes <woodwater1000: > how can a short transit like Mars cause Cancer? Im sure ive had lots > of quincunses betwen mars and my ascendant Paulo > - > Dark Star > > Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:41 PM > Re: what do you think about this > > > > The picture seems incomplete without Jupiter. Did it factor in at the > time? > _________________________________ > > Bettina Woolard wrote: > > > Paulo, > > > > For example, a few years back I saw that transiting Mars would be > > quincunx my natal asc. ruler Mercury while stationary. I > anticipated > some > > sort of illness or accident, as that's what quincunxes are > supposed to > > > signify. When the time came, it turned out I needed surgery for a > > small > > beginning stage cancer. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 im not testing anybody,i simply thought a Mars transit couldnt cause so much harm. Paulo - Alex «SPICA» Friday, November 03, 2006 12:21 AM Re: what do you think about this Paulo, Can you give a complete " portrait " of you, and which questions you wish to be answered? Otherwise, I feel you want to test us, not astrology!.... -- Alex.... vexed paulo mendes <woodwater1000: > how can a short transit like Mars cause Cancer? Im sure ive had lots > of quincunses betwen mars and my ascendant Paulo > - > Dark Star > > Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:41 PM > Re: what do you think about this > > > > The picture seems incomplete without Jupiter. Did it factor in at the > time? > _________________________________ > > Bettina Woolard wrote: > > > Paulo, > > > > For example, a few years back I saw that transiting Mars would be > > quincunx my natal asc. ruler Mercury while stationary. I > anticipated > some > > sort of illness or accident, as that's what quincunxes are > supposed to > > > signify. When the time came, it turned out I needed surgery for a > > small > > beginning stage cancer. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Paulo, It's not a short transit if it goes retrograde. Retro planets are the strongest for good or ill. And, it didn't cause the cancer, it just indicated the surgery (cutting=Mars). Roy (can't recall his last name), of Siegfried and Roy, was under the same transit when he was mauled by his tiger. He was born only a couple of days before I was. I can't remember his asc. I'd say I got off easy. Bettina _____ On Behalf Of paulo mendes Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:04 PM Re: what do you think about this how can a short transit like Mars cause Cancer? Im sure ive had lots of quincunses betwen mars and my ascendant Paulo - Dark Star @ <%40> Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:41 PM Re: what do you think about this The picture seems incomplete without Jupiter. Did it factor in at the time? _________________________________ Bettina Woolard wrote: > Paulo, > > For example, a few years back I saw that transiting Mars would be > quincunx my natal asc. ruler Mercury while stationary. I anticipated > some > sort of illness or accident, as that's what quincunxes are supposed to > > signify. When the time came, it turned out I needed surgery for a > small > beginning stage cancer. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Dark Star, I don't remember what Jupiter was doing. I'll go back and look. Why would that be important? I was just figuring on Mars having to do with surgery, cutting, knives, like that. Bettina _____ On Behalf Of Dark Star Thursday, November 02, 2006 2:42 PM Re: what do you think about this The picture seems incomplete without Jupiter. Did it factor in at the time? _________________________________ Bettina Woolard wrote: > Paulo, > > For example, a few years back I saw that transiting Mars would be > quincunx my natal asc. ruler Mercury while stationary. I anticipated > some > sort of illness or accident, as that's what quincunxes are supposed to > > signify. When the time came, it turned out I needed surgery for a > small > beginning stage cancer. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Paulo, No, it didn't cause much harm. Everything turned out well. The Mars transit simply had to do with the surgery, which when you think of it, is a very Mars thing. Roy Horn is the name of the fellow. He has Cancer rising and Mars was Retro right on his 8th house of disasters cusp, qncx Mercury, ruler of 12th (self undoing) and 3rd. The cancer was in the breast, ruled by 4th house, Mercury rules my asc and 4th. So that's the area where the cutting took place. Bettina _____ On Behalf Of paulo mendes Thursday, November 02, 2006 6:02 PM Re: what do you think about this im not testing anybody,i simply thought a Mars transit couldnt cause so much harm. Paulo - Alex <SPICA> @ <%40> Friday, November 03, 2006 12:21 AM Re: what do you think about this Paulo, Can you give a complete " portrait " of you, and which questions you wish to be answered? Otherwise, I feel you want to test us, not astrology!.... -- Alex.... vexed paulo mendes <woodwater1000@ <woodwater1000%40clix.pt> clix.pt>: > how can a short transit like Mars cause Cancer? Im sure ive had lots > of quincunses betwen mars and my ascendant Paulo > - > Dark Star > @ <%40> > Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:41 PM > Re: what do you think about this > > > > The picture seems incomplete without Jupiter. Did it factor in at the > time? > _________________________________ > > Bettina Woolard wrote: > > > Paulo, > > > > For example, a few years back I saw that transiting Mars would be > > quincunx my natal asc. ruler Mercury while stationary. I > anticipated > some > > sort of illness or accident, as that's what quincunxes are > supposed to > > > signify. When the time came, it turned out I needed surgery for a > > small > > beginning stage cancer. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Dark, Transiting Jupiter wasn't doing much. It was at 15 degrees Leo on the day of the surgery. That's the cusp of my 3rd, and a sextile to natal Venus, but that doesn't seem very important. I don't know anything about Jupiter and cancer (the disease). What is the connection? Since J has to do with expansion and growth, it would make sense that it would figure in somehow. Bettina _____ On Behalf Of Dark Star Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:15 PM Re: what do you think about this I am happy just to construct a framework of understanding from which events of a certain shape can unfold. I ask for nothing more. On arising this morning I went to the computer to find my progressed Moon was upon a friend's regressed Venus to minute when transiting Mercury (retrograde) aspected them exactly during the hour. My friend is deceased. The message was about Art and was awakened by affection. This whole thing transpired upon remembering suddenly a painting seen many years ago. It was titled (I think)...Little Known Adventures of the Progressed Moon...and had been done by an astrologer confined to a madhouse in Holland earlier in the century. The exhibition appeared in the States and the Haags Gemeentemuseum. Astrology may be ( is!) fictive ~ but sometimes fiction is more useful than 'truth'. Dark*Star ________________________________ paulo mendes wrote: > Hi Do astrologers really claim to tell the future? > > Paulo, > > The basic premise of astrology is that the horoscope foretells > character AND future, and that is what many astrologers still and most > sincerely believe. But, it just ain't true.. > > Rudolf H. Smit > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Bettina, I was thinking your natal chart to find Mars-Jupiter. Paulo's diabetes didn't really show up transit wise until the solar the month after its discovery. Its 'promise' was in the natal as a prominent Jupiter afflicting the 2nd. Its immediate acuity was in the solar. ________________________________ Bettina Woolard wrote: > Dark Star, > > I don't remember what Jupiter was doing. I'll go back and look. Why > would > that be important? I was just figuring on Mars having to do with > surgery, > cutting, knives, like that. > > Bettina > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Dark Star > Thursday, November 02, 2006 2:42 PM > > Re: what do you think about this > > The picture seems incomplete without Jupiter. Did it factor in at the > time? > _________________________________ > > Bettina Woolard wrote: > > > Paulo, > > > > For example, a few years back I saw that transiting Mars would be > > quincunx my natal asc. ruler Mercury while stationary. I anticipated > > > some > > sort of illness or accident, as that's what quincunxes are supposed > to > > > > signify. When the time came, it turned out I needed surgery for a > > small > > beginning stage cancer. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Mars (accelerated) Jupiter (growth). You show it natally somehow. ________________________________ Bettina Woolard wrote: > Dark, > > Transiting Jupiter wasn't doing much. It was at 15 degrees Leo on the > day > of the surgery. That's the cusp of my 3rd, and a sextile to natal > Venus, > but that doesn't seem very important. I don't know anything about > Jupiter > and cancer (the disease). What is the connection? Since J has to do > with > expansion and growth, it would make sense that it would figure in > somehow. > > Bettina > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Dark Star > Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:15 PM > > Re: what do you think about this > > I am happy just to construct a framework of understanding from which > events of a certain shape can unfold. I ask for nothing more. On > arising > this morning I went to the computer to find my progressed Moon was > upon > a friend's regressed Venus to minute when transiting Mercury > (retrograde) aspected them exactly during the hour. > > My friend is deceased. The message was about Art and was awakened by > affection. > > This whole thing transpired upon remembering suddenly a painting seen > many years ago. It was titled (I think)...Little Known Adventures of > the > Progressed Moon...and had been done by an astrologer confined to a > madhouse in Holland earlier in the century. The exhibition appeared in > > the States and the Haags Gemeentemuseum. > > Astrology may be ( is!) fictive ~ but sometimes fiction is more useful > > than 'truth'. > > Dark*Star > ________________________________ > > paulo mendes wrote: > > > Hi Do astrologers really claim to tell the future? > > > > Paulo, > > > > The basic premise of astrology is that the horoscope foretells > > character AND future, and that is what many astrologers still and > most > > sincerely believe. But, it just ain't true.. > > > > Rudolf H. Smit > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 In the navamsa they're cnj. Can't think of anything else. Natal J is 22 Leo in 3rd, natal M is 2 Libra in 5th. _____ On Behalf Of Dark Star Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:13 PM Re: what do you think about this Mars (accelerated) Jupiter (growth). You show it natally somehow. ________________________________ Bettina Woolard wrote: > Dark, > > Transiting Jupiter wasn't doing much. It was at 15 degrees Leo on the > day > of the surgery. That's the cusp of my 3rd, and a sextile to natal > Venus, > but that doesn't seem very important. I don't know anything about > Jupiter > and cancer (the disease). What is the connection? Since J has to do > with > expansion and growth, it would make sense that it would figure in > somehow. > > Bettina > > _____ > > @ <%40> > [@ <%40> ] On Behalf Of Dark Star > Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:15 PM > @ <%40> > Re: what do you think about this > > I am happy just to construct a framework of understanding from which > events of a certain shape can unfold. I ask for nothing more. On > arising > this morning I went to the computer to find my progressed Moon was > upon > a friend's regressed Venus to minute when transiting Mercury > (retrograde) aspected them exactly during the hour. > > My friend is deceased. The message was about Art and was awakened by > affection. > > This whole thing transpired upon remembering suddenly a painting seen > many years ago. It was titled (I think)...Little Known Adventures of > the > Progressed Moon...and had been done by an astrologer confined to a > madhouse in Holland earlier in the century. The exhibition appeared in > > the States and the Haags Gemeentemuseum. > > Astrology may be ( is!) fictive ~ but sometimes fiction is more useful > > than 'truth'. > > Dark*Star > ________________________________ > > paulo mendes wrote: > > > Hi Do astrologers really claim to tell the future? > > > > Paulo, > > > > The basic premise of astrology is that the horoscope foretells > > character AND future, and that is what many astrologers still and > most > > sincerely believe. But, it just ain't true.. > > > > Rudolf H. Smit > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 hi i had mars-venus conjunction in house 6 quincunx my ascendant when i got Diabets,but they werent retro Paulo - Bettina Woolard Friday, November 03, 2006 3:10 AM RE: what do you think about this Paulo, It's not a short transit if it goes retrograde. Retro planets are the strongest for good or ill. And, it didn't cause the cancer, it just indicated the surgery (cutting=Mars). Roy (can't recall his last name), of Siegfried and Roy, was under the same transit when he was mauled by his tiger. He was born only a couple of days before I was. I can't remember his asc. I'd say I got off easy. Bettina _____ On Behalf Of paulo mendes Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:04 PM Re: what do you think about this how can a short transit like Mars cause Cancer? Im sure ive had lots of quincunses betwen mars and my ascendant Paulo - Dark Star @ <%40> Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:41 PM Re: what do you think about this The picture seems incomplete without Jupiter. Did it factor in at the time? _________________________________ Bettina Woolard wrote: > Paulo, > > For example, a few years back I saw that transiting Mars would be > quincunx my natal asc. ruler Mercury while stationary. I anticipated > some > sort of illness or accident, as that's what quincunxes are supposed to > > signify. When the time came, it turned out I needed surgery for a > small > beginning stage cancer. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 Paulo, What is your natal Venus doing? How about Jupiter? I should have run off your chart back when you told us your data, but didn't. Venus has to do with diabetes because Venus rules sugar. I've noticed Venus-Jupiter aspects in many charts of diabetics. Venus=sugar, Jupiter= excess. Bettina _____ On Behalf Of paulo mendes Friday, November 03, 2006 8:49 AM Re: what do you think about this hi i had mars-venus conjunction in house 6 quincunx my ascendant when i got Diabets,but they werent retro Paulo - Bettina Woolard @ <%40> Friday, November 03, 2006 3:10 AM RE: what do you think about this Paulo, It's not a short transit if it goes retrograde. Retro planets are the strongest for good or ill. And, it didn't cause the cancer, it just indicated the surgery (cutting=Mars). Roy (can't recall his last name), of Siegfried and Roy, was under the same transit when he was mauled by his tiger. He was born only a couple of days before I was. I can't remember his asc. I'd say I got off easy. Bettina _____ @ <%40> [@ <%40> ] On Behalf Of paulo mendes Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:04 PM @ <%40> Re: what do you think about this how can a short transit like Mars cause Cancer? Im sure ive had lots of quincunses betwen mars and my ascendant Paulo - Dark Star @ <%40> Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:41 PM Re: what do you think about this The picture seems incomplete without Jupiter. Did it factor in at the time? _________________________________ Bettina Woolard wrote: > Paulo, > > For example, a few years back I saw that transiting Mars would be > quincunx my natal asc. ruler Mercury while stationary. I anticipated > some > sort of illness or accident, as that's what quincunxes are supposed to > > signify. When the time came, it turned out I needed surgery for a > small > beginning stage cancer. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 Paulo, I remember now, I did run off your chart. I can't remember where it is. But I do recall that you have Venus in Sag in 8th, Jupiter in Capr in 9th, so no aspect there. Maybe in the navamsa. Bettina _____ On Behalf Of paulo mendes Friday, November 03, 2006 8:49 AM Re: what do you think about this hi i had mars-venus conjunction in house 6 quincunx my ascendant when i got Diabets,but they werent retro Paulo - Bettina Woolard @ <%40> Friday, November 03, 2006 3:10 AM RE: what do you think about this Paulo, It's not a short transit if it goes retrograde. Retro planets are the strongest for good or ill. And, it didn't cause the cancer, it just indicated the surgery (cutting=Mars). Roy (can't recall his last name), of Siegfried and Roy, was under the same transit when he was mauled by his tiger. He was born only a couple of days before I was. I can't remember his asc. I'd say I got off easy. Bettina _____ @ <%40> [@ <%40> ] On Behalf Of paulo mendes Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:04 PM @ <%40> Re: what do you think about this how can a short transit like Mars cause Cancer? Im sure ive had lots of quincunses betwen mars and my ascendant Paulo - Dark Star @ <%40> Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:41 PM Re: what do you think about this The picture seems incomplete without Jupiter. Did it factor in at the time? _________________________________ Bettina Woolard wrote: > Paulo, > > For example, a few years back I saw that transiting Mars would be > quincunx my natal asc. ruler Mercury while stationary. I anticipated > some > sort of illness or accident, as that's what quincunxes are supposed to > > signify. When the time came, it turned out I needed surgery for a > small > beginning stage cancer. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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