Guest guest Posted February 4, 2001 Report Share Posted February 4, 2001 Dear Peter- In Krushna's analysis of the Queen's chart on the third line Krushna states that Rahu and Ketu are "Uccha". Now according to my list of sanscrit workds Uccha means exalted but in the Queen's chart they are in Gemini and Sagitarrius ( at least on the chart I have) and I was under the impression that Rahu was exalted in Taurus and Ketu in Scorpio. Could someone please explain this. There are various groups of astrologers and apparently Krushna is one of them that believe that both Rahu and Ketu are Exalted in the signs of Gemini and Virgo and in their OWN signs in Gemini. This shouldn't be concluded however that they are therefore fallen in their opposite signs of Sagittarius and Pisces. Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2001 Report Share Posted February 4, 2001 Dear List members, I believe Krushna is now away for a period but I am sur eothers on the list will be able to help me on this matter. In Krushna's analysis of the Queen's chart on the third line Krushna states that Rahu and Ketu are " Uccha " . Now according to my list of sanscrit workds Uccha means exalted but in the Queen's chart they are in Gemini and Sagitarrius ( at least on the chart I have) and I was under the impression that Rahu was exalted in Taurus and Ketu in Scorpio. Could someone please explain this. Peter Namaste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2001 Report Share Posted February 4, 2001 Dear Peter, There are two schools of thought about the exaltation of Rahu and Ketu in Vedic astrology. In one of these, these are considered exalted and Gemini and Sagittarius instead of Taurus and Scorpio. Regards - " Peter Sutcliffe " <petermay Monday, February 05, 2001 8:33 AM Re: Nodes Dear List members, I believe Krushna is now away for a period but I am sur eothers on the list will be able to help me on this matter. In Krushna's analysis of the Queen's chart on the third line Krushna states that Rahu and Ketu are " Uccha " . Now according to my list of sanscrit workds Uccha means exalted but in the Queen's chart they are in Gemini and Sagitarrius ( at least on the chart I have) and I was under the impression that Rahu was exalted in Taurus and Ketu in Scorpio. Could someone please explain this. Peter Namaste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 Respected Peterji, Pranam, Rahu exalted sign is Gemini, Debilated sign is Sagittarius, Own sign Virgo, and Multrikon is Cancer. Ketu exalted sign Sagittarius, Debilated sign Gemini, Own sign Pisces, and Multrikon is capricorn. leaving at 9:30 am for ten days. thanks krushna 1:15 am 6th Feb 2001. > " Peter Sutcliffe " <petermay > > > Re: Nodes >Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:33:14 +1000 > >Dear List members, >I believe Krushna is now away for a period but I am sur eothers on the list >will be able to help me on this matter. >In Krushna's analysis of the Queen's chart on the third line Krushna states >that Rahu and Ketu are " Uccha " . Now according to my list of sanscrit workds >Uccha means exalted but in the Queen's chart they are in Gemini and >Sagitarrius ( at least on the chart I have) and I was under the impression >that Rahu was exalted in Taurus and Ketu in Scorpio. >Could someone please explain this. > >Peter >Namaste > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Goodevening, I would have a question concerning my transit of the joint nodes uranus in house 3 in Aquarius sextil Jupiter and trigonal Neptune I would like to have testimonys of people who lived this transit. I born June 14, 1964 20h40 québec canada I thank you Mona Le tout nouveau Courriel Consultez vos fils RSS depuis votre boîte de réception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Bharat, Namaskar. Comments below. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti Bharat Vyas skrev: Hare Krsna Vistiji,  Thanks for your reply. I have never dealt with ephemeris for calculating position of planets. I am totally software dependent. So when we talk of mean node position there has to be a true position from which we will derive a mean position for that day or that week ? Visti: Actually its the other way around, i.e. from the mean position we derive true positions. For D-16,20,24 ...how does Rah+Ket combination work. For example Ketu in mooltrikona or 12th house in D-20 would indicate spirituality but how do we see the presence of rahu there ? How do they synergize and what result do they indicate. Visti: Confusion is the right word. Wherever both these nodes tend to associate they cause excess confusion in a native and can even destroy faith, break in education, etc. Reading Mixed-CharaKaraka article from PVR it seems like he is still refering to BPHS which should be authentic vedic knowledge because Parasara is father of Vyasadeva and is considered saintly personality ? By Parampara do you mean that Sri Acyutananda never refered to Parasara in his teachings ? Visti: We rely on Parasara, but who says that PVR's translation is authentic? Thanks and Regards,  Bharat   On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Visti Larsen <visti wrote: हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£ Dear Bharat, Namaskar. My comments below. Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen ---------- Jyotish Guru (Vedic Astrologer) www: http://srigaruda.com @: visti Bharat Vyas skrev: Hare Krsna Vistiji,  Hope you are doing good and would have few spare minutes to share your experience with me. I am interested in knowing which Nodal Value to use True Node vs. Mean Node ? Which one gives more accurate results as per your experience and why ? Visti: The concept of 'true node' is a modern idea and emerges when we consider that the angle between the earth and the stars is changing with the change of angle between the earth, sun and moon. The Surya Siddhanta does NOT speak of such a changing angle, and instead considers a mean-plane, and therefore the concept of the 'modern true node' does not find its place in the recommendation of the Parampara. So we use only mean nodes. In past experience I have seen that mean node is more accurate, however we must also dwell on whether our calculation of the nodes is exact. The question is: If they are mean then from which date should they be mean? How do we interpret Rahu and Ketu if they are in the same house in D-charts. Common conception for nodes are they are opposite to each other in behavior. Visti: At one point the nodes were one body, which is what happens in the Mana-Vargas (d16, d20 & d24). So also the mind considers the nodes as one. What is your experience on using Mixed Chara Karaka Scheme as proposed by PVR ? Visti: I have not tested it, but its not advocated in the Parampara hence I also do not recommend it. I appreciate your time and effort.  Hari Bol !!  Bharat   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Dear Member, Query: When NO planets are conjunct Consider the Navamsa Dispositor for predictive purpose Query: When the nodes are in their own nakshatras Consider them to be strong and to deliver results as per their malefic or benefic positions Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi Consider Nodes are weak to deliver results. Focus more on navamsa dispositor than rasi dispositor. Assuming navamsa dispositor is weak or debilitated, Nodes ability to deliver result is effected Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi but exalted in Navamsa Consider Nodes are strong. Focus again on navamsa dispositor position than on rasi dispositor. Query : Does the previous antardasha of the nodes give a fair idea of how their Mahadasha will be?? Cannot be same. Consider Jupiter-Rahu dasha, the promise is shown by Jupiter based on its ownership and karatatwa..... In the context of Query, Rahu karatatwa is totally different Jupiter, hence the Mahadasha results vary for dasha lord. One can guesstimate for Rahu-Jupiter - however, this is based on one's predictive and analytical skills..... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Dear Sreeram Ji, this is regarding a previous post by you. I have some doubts:- //4) The other (second) method of rotating planet Jupiter// Does rotating means in transit? It wasn’t clear to me. // To me reality of a chart is all = horrorscope// With this statement did you mean that you attach more importance to the rashi chart vis-a-vis the transits etc? Thanks and Regards Santhosh Sre_eram <sreeram64 Sent: Fri, 18 December, 2009 10:19:59 AM Re: Nodes Dear Member,Query: When NO planets are conjunctConsider the Navamsa Dispositor for predictive purposeQuery: When the nodes are in their own nakshatrasConsider them to be strong and to deliver results as per their maleficor benefic positionsQuery : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in RasiConsider Nodes are weak to deliver results. Focus more on navamsadispositor than rasi dispositor. Assuming navamsa dispositor is weak ordebilitated, Nodes ability to deliver result is effectedQuery : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi butexalted in NavamsaConsider Nodes are strong. Focus again on navamsa dispositor positionthan on rasi dispositor.Query : Does the previous antardasha of the nodes give a fair idea ofhow their Mahadasha will be??Cannot be same. Consider Jupiter-Rahu dasha, the promise is shown byJupiter based on its ownership and karatatwa... .. In the context ofQuery, Rahu karatatwa is totally different Jupiter, hence the Mahadasharesults vary for dasha lord. One can guesstimate for Rahu-Jupiter -however, this is based on one's predictive and analytical skills.....With regards,Sreeram_Srinivas> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Dear Sreeram Ji and other moderators, I had to change my email id to as my inbox for santhosh. isn't downloading emails due to some server problem. Kindly note the change. regards santhosh Santhosh <santhosh10 Sent: Fri, 18 December, 2009 10:34:11 AMRe: Re: Nodes Dear Sreeram Ji, this is regarding a previous post by you. I have some doubts:- //4) The other (second) method of rotating planet Jupiter// Does rotating means in transit? It wasn’t clear to me. // To me reality of a chart is all = horrorscope/ / With this statement did you mean that you attach more importance to the rashi chart vis-a-vis the transits etc? Thanks and Regards Santhosh Sre_eram <sreeram64 (AT) sify (DOT) com>ancient_indian_ astrologyFri, 18 December, 2009 10:19:59 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Nodes Dear Member,Query: When NO planets are conjunctConsider the Navamsa Dispositor for predictive purposeQuery: When the nodes are in their own nakshatrasConsider them to be strong and to deliver results as per their maleficor benefic positionsQuery : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in RasiConsider Nodes are weak to deliver results. Focus more on navamsadispositor than rasi dispositor. Assuming navamsa dispositor is weak ordebilitated, Nodes ability to deliver result is effectedQuery : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi butexalted in NavamsaConsider Nodes are strong. Focus again on navamsa dispositor positionthan on rasi dispositor.Query : Does the previous antardasha of the nodes give a fair idea ofhow their Mahadasha will be??Cannot be same. Consider Jupiter-Rahu dasha, the promise is shown byJupiter based on its ownership and karatatwa... .. In the context ofQuery, Rahu karatatwa is totally different Jupiter, hence the Mahadasharesults vary for dasha lord. One can guesstimate for Rahu-Jupiter -however, this is based on one's predictive and analytical skills.....With regards,Sreeram_Srinivas> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Sreeram ji If navamsa dispositor is in own house but functional malefic(natural benefic) ie 12th lord,then the result will be good or bad? Thanks a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Dear member, 1) In the rotating prediction technique = Natal Jupiter is rotated from its original position in birth chart, is presumed to shift into next house for each year passed....... NO transits involved in this case..... 2) As I said to my understanding, one cannot mix all systems to make a complete fusion. Nadi and Vimshottari are two different system and hence they do have some common basis. My experience is to see natal chart w.r.t. Transits is one technique, second is conventional Vimshottari with dasha system.... and modulate between the two. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Dear Sreeram Ji, thanks for the clarity. a further doubt, //and modulate between the two// you have mentioned two system 1. nadi with transit and 2, vimshotari with dasas. now when you say modulate between the two, are you implying use both? regards and thanks santhosh Sre_eram <sreeram64 Sent: Fri, 18 December, 2009 1:18:02 PM Re: Nodes Dear member,1) In the rotating prediction technique = Natal Jupiter is rotated fromits original position in birth chart, is presumed to shift into nexthouse for each year passed...... . NO transits involved in this case.....2) As I said to my understanding, one cannot mix all systems to make acomplete fusion. Nadi and Vimshottari are two different system andhence they do have some common basis. My experience is to see natalchart w.r.t. Transits is one technique, second is conventionalVimshottari with dasha system.... and modulate between the two.With regards,Sreeram_Srinivas The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Dear member, Everyone has to derive his own style, what I shared is my style..... rest is upto you..... Astros use combination of Vimshottari and Prashna to predict , however in my case, I am NOT a professional astro, my personal technique is more of background research cases, hence a difference in styles. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Dear Member,Let me take a live case to state few things.Female, 08-April-1980, 08:40 hrs, Delhi, Taurus Lagna, with Aries Navamsa.Running Dasha - Mars - Mercury till 08-May02010 (Using 360 Days solar year)Software : JHora 7.3 VersionDisclaimer : The lady is NOT known to me, data shared by a old colleague to be part of my astro_collection.Background : Love marriage turning sour (after 4-5 yrs), on brink of Divorce, both living separately. Wife is NO longer physically attractive (earlier she was slim, now after marriage grown fat) and a dominating lady to the point of hurting the ego of male.Analysis1) Dasha is of Mars-Mercury { Mars = 7HL & 12HL, Mercury = 2HL & 5HL ). The dasha is clearly showing the trends of events. Mars as 7HL is showing events relating or started by Husband. Mars placed in 4H = event related to home or personal issues. Mars - sign wise is well placed, except for its conjunction with Saturn & Rahu. Favorite of Kerala astros = Agni Maruta Yoga (Saturn + Mars conjunction) showing its impact.2) Mars - Mercury periods are always difficult periods which is known to all of us - for these planets are mutually inimical to each other3) Now applying the transits as on date on to the natal chart. Dasha Lord Mars (Transit) is debilitated in 3H of natal chart. Mercury (T) is in 8H. Jupiter (T) debilitated in 9H of natal chart. Saturn is in 5H of natal chart.4) Mars = karaka for husband and partnership. Jupiter = karaka for Husband = both are debilitated. Here Jupiter & Mars are aspecting each other. Nature's timer Saturn aspecting the 7H from 5H (romance) = all positions clearly showing the deteriorating situation.5) Issue of divorce will continue or any signs of reconciliation ?? Let us see. In coming days both Mars & Jupiter would move to next house i.e. Jupiter to 10H , Mars into 4H of natal chart. Mars (T) would touching Mars(Natal) in 4H. So do Jupiter(N) & Jupiter (T) both would be aspecting(7th aspect) each other.In the above case, the intensity of activity is clearly shown by both natal & transit positions. Rest is all one's guess......With regards,Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Dear Sreeramji Thank you for the reply. So as I understand the navamsha dispositor will play a major role The confusion arose as some books like Light on astrology by Hart defouw gives importance to the nakshatra lords and planets aspecting the nodes,they do not mention the Navamsha dispositor.By this technique it becomes difficult to tell when 3 or planets aspect the nodes. Thank you Sooraj , " Sre_eram " <sreeram64 wrote: > > Dear Member, > > Query: When NO planets are conjunct > Consider the Navamsa Dispositor for predictive purpose > > Query: When the nodes are in their own nakshatras > Consider them to be strong and to deliver results as per their malefic > or benefic positions > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi > Consider Nodes are weak to deliver results. Focus more on navamsa > dispositor than rasi dispositor. Assuming navamsa dispositor is weak or > debilitated, Nodes ability to deliver result is effected > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi but > exalted in Navamsa > Consider Nodes are strong. Focus again on navamsa dispositor position > than on rasi dispositor. > > Query : Does the previous antardasha of the nodes give a fair idea of > how their Mahadasha will be?? > Cannot be same. Consider Jupiter-Rahu dasha, the promise is shown by > Jupiter based on its ownership and karatatwa..... In the context of > Query, Rahu karatatwa is totally different Jupiter, hence the Mahadasha > results vary for dasha lord. One can guesstimate for Rahu-Jupiter - > however, this is based on one's predictive and analytical skills..... > > With regards, > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Dear Sooraj ji, there is no confusion if you follow the right way. The Node gives results in the following manner always in the Order as below. 1) Planet in conjunction within 4 degrees. 2) Nakshatra Lord results. 3) Sign Lord Results. 4) Results of House/Planets aspected. When the Nakshatra results are taken, you are automatically taking navamsha results, are you not ? Ultimately even if You take the navamsha , then what is it ? Is it not a division based on nakshatra divisions ? We must appreciate the foreign astrologers who have taken the Indian system of Nakshtaras for their studies, when many astrologers are still far behind this in India itself, not eager to study this. Before we blame the author for his technique the technique must be presented here, and not just the blame. regards/Bhaskar. , " surajyg " <jyothikasooraj wrote: > > > > Dear Sreeramji > Thank you for the reply. > So as I understand the navamsha dispositor will play a major role The confusion arose as some books like Light on astrology by Hart defouw gives importance to the nakshatra lords and planets aspecting the nodes,they do not mention the Navamsha dispositor.By this technique it becomes difficult to tell when 3 or planets aspect the nodes. > Thank you > Sooraj > > , " Sre_eram " <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > Dear Member, > > > > Query: When NO planets are conjunct > > Consider the Navamsa Dispositor for predictive purpose > > > > Query: When the nodes are in their own nakshatras > > Consider them to be strong and to deliver results as per their malefic > > or benefic positions > > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi > > Consider Nodes are weak to deliver results. Focus more on navamsa > > dispositor than rasi dispositor. Assuming navamsa dispositor is weak or > > debilitated, Nodes ability to deliver result is effected > > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi but > > exalted in Navamsa > > Consider Nodes are strong. Focus again on navamsa dispositor position > > than on rasi dispositor. > > > > Query : Does the previous antardasha of the nodes give a fair idea of > > how their Mahadasha will be?? > > Cannot be same. Consider Jupiter-Rahu dasha, the promise is shown by > > Jupiter based on its ownership and karatatwa..... In the context of > > Query, Rahu karatatwa is totally different Jupiter, hence the Mahadasha > > results vary for dasha lord. One can guesstimate for Rahu-Jupiter - > > however, this is based on one's predictive and analytical skills..... > > > > With regards, > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Namaskar Bhaskarji, I am a beginner so please bear with me. I am little confused? //When the Nakshatra results are taken, you are automatically taking navamsha results, are you not ?// For example Aries Lagna, Jupiter is in Lagna at 15'. So Jupiter is in Bharani nakshtra which is owned by Venus but the Navamsa will be Leo owned by Sun. Then how the results will be the same ? Regards, Aashish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Could you advise some software which is available for download on internet free , for beginners. - raiaashish Friday, December 18, 2009 9:14 PM Re: Nodes Namaskar Bhaskarji,I am a beginner so please bear with me. I am little confused?//When the Nakshatra results are taken, you are automatically taking navamsha results, are you not ?//For example Aries Lagna, Jupiter is in Lagna at 15'. So Jupiter is in Bharani nakshtra which is owned by Venus but the Navamsa will be Leo owned by Sun. Then how the results will be the same ?Regards,Aashish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Respected Soorajji and all, //The confusion arose as some books like Light on astrology by Hart defouw gives importance to the nakshatra lords and planets aspecting the nodes// Sir Hart De fauw, i think , is the ardent follower and direct disciple of Sri Seshasdari Iyer. Whatever he would have been writing are just what he has learnt and experienced for many years of his direct learning from his guru Sri S. Iyer. The great Iyer was the one of the earliest learned astrologer to open secrets of divisional chart to the masses. So please read Defow's books with deep understanding and rethinking on all his statements. he never lets his readers with confusion. ------------- //The Node gives results in the following manner always in the Order as below. > > 1) Planet in conjunction within 4 degrees. > > 2) Nakshatra Lord results. > > 3) Sign Lord Results. > > 4) Results of House/Planets aspected./// This above points are the finest consolidated results of nodes as i have experience many times practically while reading the charts in the traditional ways, although this particular order is primarily given by Sir KSK in KP. For traditional way don't worry for this order but consider all points. Some addition to above is, unafflicted nodes in trines or kendre to lagna with functional benefic planets gives sure shot rajyogas in their dasas. ------------ Respected Bhaskerji, //> When the Nakshatra results are taken, you are automatically taking navamsha results, are you not ?// [Vijay]It seems superficially but at real sense it is totally different. //> Ultimately even if You take the navamsha , then what is it ? Is it not a division based on nakshatra divisions ?// [Vijay] NOT AT ALL, D-9 Is NOT based on Nakshatra division. technically it looks same due to 'same value division'. But at deriving the results it has lot of difference at understanding. ------------------- To understand navamsha, best is to read Sri CS Patels books. he has given lot of points by discovering it from nadi literature on navamsha and nakshatras and its different uses and to do re-search on it. [please do not ask me to produce anything, please work for yourself] Hint: some particular transits of saturn and jupiter on particular nakshatras gives some specified results. whereas some particular transits of saturn and jupiter in different navamsha pronounce totally different results. ------------------ Thankyou, Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Sooraj ji, > > there is no confusion if you follow the right way. > > The Node gives results in the following manner always in the Order as below. > > 1) Planet in conjunction within 4 degrees. > > 2) Nakshatra Lord results. > > 3) Sign Lord Results. > > 4) Results of House/Planets aspected. > > When the Nakshatra results are taken, you are automatically taking navamsha results, are you not ? > > Ultimately even if You take the navamsha , then what is it ? Is it not a division based on nakshatra divisions ? > > We must appreciate the foreign astrologers who have taken the Indian system of Nakshtaras for their studies, when many astrologers are still far behind this in India itself, not eager to study this. > > Before we blame the author for his technique the technique must be presented here, and not just the blame. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > , " surajyg " <jyothikasooraj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreeramji > > Thank you for the reply. > > So as I understand the navamsha dispositor will play a major role The confusion arose as some books like Light on astrology by Hart defouw gives importance to the nakshatra lords and planets aspecting the nodes,they do not mention the Navamsha dispositor.By this technique it becomes difficult to tell when 3 or planets aspect the nodes. > > Thank you > > Sooraj > > > > , " Sre_eram " <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Member, > > > > > > Query: When NO planets are conjunct > > > Consider the Navamsa Dispositor for predictive purpose > > > > > > Query: When the nodes are in their own nakshatras > > > Consider them to be strong and to deliver results as per their malefic > > > or benefic positions > > > > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi > > > Consider Nodes are weak to deliver results. Focus more on navamsa > > > dispositor than rasi dispositor. Assuming navamsa dispositor is weak or > > > debilitated, Nodes ability to deliver result is effected > > > > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi but > > > exalted in Navamsa > > > Consider Nodes are strong. Focus again on navamsa dispositor position > > > than on rasi dispositor. > > > > > > Query : Does the previous antardasha of the nodes give a fair idea of > > > how their Mahadasha will be?? > > > Cannot be same. Consider Jupiter-Rahu dasha, the promise is shown by > > > Jupiter based on its ownership and karatatwa..... In the context of > > > Query, Rahu karatatwa is totally different Jupiter, hence the Mahadasha > > > results vary for dasha lord. One can guesstimate for Rahu-Jupiter - > > > however, this is based on one's predictive and analytical skills..... > > > > > > With regards, > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Dear Aashish ji, To answer this, first I would request you to please give me the results both ways, what will be - 1) With Jupiter in Bhairini owned by Venus, AND 2) With Leo Navamsa owned by the Sun. regards/Bhaskar. , " raiaashish " <raiaashish wrote: > > Namaskar Bhaskarji, > I am a beginner so please bear with me. I am little confused? > //When the Nakshatra results are taken, you are automatically taking navamsha results, are you not ?// > > For example Aries Lagna, Jupiter is in Lagna at 15'. So Jupiter is in Bharani nakshtra which is owned by Venus but the Navamsa will be Leo owned by Sun. Then how the results will be the same ? > > Regards, > Aashish > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Dear Bhaskarji I am sorry if I sounded disrespectful towards Hart de fouw.I have the highest regards for him and Svoboda for their astrological and spiritual endeavours and heights achieved. Dear Bhaskarji and SreeramjiGiving the following scenario Leo lagna,Moon in lagna,jupiter libra Rahu in shatabisha,Saturn in Bharani with Ravi and budh Going by order No planet in conjunction Nakshatra lord rahu Saturn in debilitation and combust with some cancellation of debility as mars is in 10th house and saturn in exalted in navamsha Aspected by 12th lord moon and 5th and 8th lord Jupiter in libra. Going by the order Rahu will give more results of Saturn Going by the Navamsha Rahu will give results of saturn which is exalted in 3rd house in libra [lagna,rahu and ketu vargottama] In the second case Vrishabha lagna Rahu in 10th house in shatabisha Saturn in debilitation in krittika 12 house,Mars also debilitated in the 3rd house Aspected by Mars in 3rd house chandra mercury from 4th house Going by the order No planet in conjunction Nakshatra lord rahu Saturn is debilitated with Mars also debilitated Aspected by mars,moon and mercury. Going by navamsha Mesha lagna ,Rahu in 10 th house ,capricorn, saturn in leo 5th house . Doesnt interpretation change by these methods. Going by navamsha Rahu Maha dasha in both case appears beneficial and otherwise malefic I have just started learning astrology so kindly bear with me . --- On Fri, 18/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Nodes Date: Friday, 18 December, 2009, 8:30 PM Dear Sooraj ji,there is no confusion if you follow the right way. The Node gives results in the following manner always in the Order as below.1) Planet in conjunction within 4 degrees.2) Nakshatra Lord results.3) Sign Lord Results.4) Results of House/Planets aspected.When the Nakshatra results are taken, you are automatically taking navamsha results, are you not ?Ultimately even if You take the navamsha , then what is it ? Is it not a division based on nakshatra divisions ?We must appreciate the foreign astrologers who have taken the Indian system of Nakshtaras for their studies, when many astrologers are still far behind this in India itself, not eager to study this.Before we blame the author for his technique the technique must be presented here, and not just the blame. regards/Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, "surajyg" <jyothikasooraj@ ...> wrote:>> > > Dear Sreeramji> Thank you for the reply.> So as I understand the navamsha dispositor will play a major role The confusion arose as some books like Light on astrology by Hart defouw gives importance to the nakshatra lords and planets aspecting the nodes,they do not mention the Navamsha dispositor.By this technique it becomes difficult to tell when 3 or planets aspect the nodes.> Thank you > Sooraj> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sre_eram" <sreeram64@> wrote:> >> > Dear Member,> > > > Query: When NO planets are conjunct> > Consider the Navamsa Dispositor for predictive purpose> > > > Query: When the nodes are in their own nakshatras> > Consider them to be strong and to deliver results as per their malefic> > or benefic positions> > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi> > Consider Nodes are weak to deliver results. Focus more on navamsa> > dispositor than rasi dispositor. Assuming navamsa dispositor is weak or> > debilitated, Nodes ability to deliver result is effected> > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi but> > exalted in Navamsa> > Consider Nodes are strong. Focus again on navamsa dispositor position> > than on rasi dispositor.> > > > Query : Does the previous antardasha of the nodes give a fair idea of> > how their Mahadasha will be??> > Cannot be same. Consider Jupiter-Rahu dasha, the promise is shown by> > Jupiter based on its ownership and karatatwa... .. In the context of> > Query, Rahu karatatwa is totally different Jupiter, hence the Mahadasha> > results vary for dasha lord. One can guesstimate for Rahu-Jupiter -> > however, this is based on one's predictive and analytical skills.....> > > > With regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas> > >> >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Dear Vijay Goel ji, // To understand navamsha, best is to read Sri CS Patels books. he has given lot of points by discovering it from nadi literature on navamsha and nakshatras and its different uses and to do re-search on it.// I am the first one on these forums to introduce the books of Shri CS Patel. And on using his techniques (Of Navamsa Transits) have been able to identify death and serious health trouble in my own family, much before the events took place. regards/Bhaskar. , " vijay.goel " <goyalvj wrote: > > > > Respected Soorajji and all, > > //The confusion arose as some books like Light on astrology by Hart defouw gives importance to the nakshatra lords and planets aspecting the nodes// > > Sir Hart De fauw, i think , is the ardent follower and direct disciple of Sri Seshasdari Iyer. Whatever he would have been writing are just what he has learnt and experienced for many years of his direct learning from his guru Sri S. Iyer. > The great Iyer was the one of the earliest learned astrologer to open secrets of divisional chart to the masses. > > So please read Defow's books with deep understanding and rethinking on all his statements. he never lets his readers with confusion. > > ------------- > > //The Node gives results in the following manner always in the Order as below. > > > > 1) Planet in conjunction within 4 degrees. > > > > 2) Nakshatra Lord results. > > > > 3) Sign Lord Results. > > > > 4) Results of House/Planets aspected./// > > This above points are the finest consolidated results of nodes as i have experience many times practically while reading the charts in the traditional ways, although this particular order is primarily given by Sir KSK in KP. For traditional way don't worry for this order but consider all points. > > Some addition to above is, unafflicted nodes in trines or kendre to lagna with functional benefic planets gives sure shot rajyogas in their dasas. > > ------------ > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > //> When the Nakshatra results are taken, you are automatically taking navamsha results, are you not ?// > > [Vijay]It seems superficially but at real sense it is totally different. > > //> Ultimately even if You take the navamsha , then what is it ? Is it not a division based on nakshatra divisions ?// > > [Vijay] NOT AT ALL, D-9 Is NOT based on Nakshatra division. technically it looks same due to 'same value division'. > But at deriving the results it has lot of difference at understanding. > > ------------------- > > To understand navamsha, best is to read Sri CS Patels books. he has given lot of points by discovering it from nadi literature on navamsha and nakshatras and its different uses and to do re-search on it. > [please do not ask me to produce anything, please work for yourself] > > Hint: some particular transits of saturn and jupiter on particular nakshatras gives some specified results. > whereas some particular transits of saturn and jupiter in different navamsha pronounce totally different results. > > ------------------ > > Thankyou, > Regards, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sooraj ji, > > > > there is no confusion if you follow the right way. > > > > The Node gives results in the following manner always in the Order as below. > > > > 1) Planet in conjunction within 4 degrees. > > > > 2) Nakshatra Lord results. > > > > 3) Sign Lord Results. > > > > 4) Results of House/Planets aspected. > > > > When the Nakshatra results are taken, you are automatically taking navamsha results, are you not ? > > > > Ultimately even if You take the navamsha , then what is it ? Is it not a division based on nakshatra divisions ? > > > > We must appreciate the foreign astrologers who have taken the Indian system of Nakshtaras for their studies, when many astrologers are still far behind this in India itself, not eager to study this. > > > > Before we blame the author for his technique the technique must be presented here, and not just the blame. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " surajyg " <jyothikasooraj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreeramji > > > Thank you for the reply. > > > So as I understand the navamsha dispositor will play a major role The confusion arose as some books like Light on astrology by Hart defouw gives importance to the nakshatra lords and planets aspecting the nodes,they do not mention the Navamsha dispositor.By this technique it becomes difficult to tell when 3 or planets aspect the nodes. > > > Thank you > > > Sooraj > > > > > > , " Sre_eram " <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Member, > > > > > > > > Query: When NO planets are conjunct > > > > Consider the Navamsa Dispositor for predictive purpose > > > > > > > > Query: When the nodes are in their own nakshatras > > > > Consider them to be strong and to deliver results as per their malefic > > > > or benefic positions > > > > > > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi > > > > Consider Nodes are weak to deliver results. Focus more on navamsa > > > > dispositor than rasi dispositor. Assuming navamsa dispositor is weak or > > > > debilitated, Nodes ability to deliver result is effected > > > > > > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi but > > > > exalted in Navamsa > > > > Consider Nodes are strong. Focus again on navamsa dispositor position > > > > than on rasi dispositor. > > > > > > > > Query : Does the previous antardasha of the nodes give a fair idea of > > > > how their Mahadasha will be?? > > > > Cannot be same. Consider Jupiter-Rahu dasha, the promise is shown by > > > > Jupiter based on its ownership and karatatwa..... In the context of > > > > Query, Rahu karatatwa is totally different Jupiter, hence the Mahadasha > > > > results vary for dasha lord. One can guesstimate for Rahu-Jupiter - > > > > however, this is based on one's predictive and analytical skills..... > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Dear Sirs, http://www.vedicastrologer.org/jh/#getit http://www.MyKundali.com http://www.astrosage.com/free/astrologysoftware.asp http://www.astrocamp.com/FreeBirthChart.asp http://loger.com/FreeDownloads.php The above are the best Softwares in the world for making Charts for study as per Indian Astrology of various systems , like Traditional, KP, Lalkitab, and Muhurtha. regards/Bhaskar. , CARKGupta <sathi231 wrote:>> Could you advise some software which is available for download on internet free , for beginners.> > > - > raiaashish > > Friday, December 18, 2009 9:14 PM> Re: Nodes> > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji,> I am a beginner so please bear with me. I am little confused?> //When the Nakshatra results are taken, you are automatically taking navamsha results, are you not ?//> > For example Aries Lagna, Jupiter is in Lagna at 15'. So Jupiter is in Bharani nakshtra which is owned by Venus but the Navamsa will be Leo owned by Sun. Then how the results will be the same ?> > Regards,> Aashish> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Yeah Bahskerji it could be, as you are doing astrology for such a long time. my that statement was not AT ALL pointing towards anybody specifically. therefore i made the line division between paragraphs. Thanking you regards Vijay Goel , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > // To understand navamsha, best is to read Sri CS Patels books. he has given lot of points by discovering it from nadi literature on navamsha and nakshatras and its different uses and to do re-search on it.// > > I am the first one on these forums to introduce the books of Shri CS Patel. And on using his techniques (Of Navamsa Transits) have been able to identify death and serious health trouble in my own family, much before the events took place. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > , " vijay.goel " <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Soorajji and all, > > > > //The confusion arose as some books like Light on astrology by Hart defouw gives importance to the nakshatra lords and planets aspecting the nodes// > > > > Sir Hart De fauw, i think , is the ardent follower and direct disciple of Sri Seshasdari Iyer. Whatever he would have been writing are just what he has learnt and experienced for many years of his direct learning from his guru Sri S. Iyer. > > The great Iyer was the one of the earliest learned astrologer to open secrets of divisional chart to the masses. > > > > So please read Defow's books with deep understanding and rethinking on all his statements. he never lets his readers with confusion. > > > > ------------- > > > > //The Node gives results in the following manner always in the Order as below. > > > > > > 1) Planet in conjunction within 4 degrees. > > > > > > 2) Nakshatra Lord results. > > > > > > 3) Sign Lord Results. > > > > > > 4) Results of House/Planets aspected./// > > > > This above points are the finest consolidated results of nodes as i have experience many times practically while reading the charts in the traditional ways, although this particular order is primarily given by Sir KSK in KP. For traditional way don't worry for this order but consider all points. > > > > Some addition to above is, unafflicted nodes in trines or kendre to lagna with functional benefic planets gives sure shot rajyogas in their dasas. > > > > ------------ > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > //> When the Nakshatra results are taken, you are automatically taking navamsha results, are you not ?// > > > > [Vijay]It seems superficially but at real sense it is totally different. > > > > //> Ultimately even if You take the navamsha , then what is it ? Is it not a division based on nakshatra divisions ?// > > > > [Vijay] NOT AT ALL, D-9 Is NOT based on Nakshatra division. technically it looks same due to 'same value division'. > > But at deriving the results it has lot of difference at understanding. > > > > ------------------- > > > > To understand navamsha, best is to read Sri CS Patels books. he has given lot of points by discovering it from nadi literature on navamsha and nakshatras and its different uses and to do re-search on it. > > [please do not ask me to produce anything, please work for yourself] > > > > Hint: some particular transits of saturn and jupiter on particular nakshatras gives some specified results. > > whereas some particular transits of saturn and jupiter in different navamsha pronounce totally different results. > > > > ------------------ > > > > Thankyou, > > Regards, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur. > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sooraj ji, > > > > > > there is no confusion if you follow the right way. > > > > > > The Node gives results in the following manner always in the Order as below. > > > > > > 1) Planet in conjunction within 4 degrees. > > > > > > 2) Nakshatra Lord results. > > > > > > 3) Sign Lord Results. > > > > > > 4) Results of House/Planets aspected. > > > > > > When the Nakshatra results are taken, you are automatically taking navamsha results, are you not ? > > > > > > Ultimately even if You take the navamsha , then what is it ? Is it not a division based on nakshatra divisions ? > > > > > > We must appreciate the foreign astrologers who have taken the Indian system of Nakshtaras for their studies, when many astrologers are still far behind this in India itself, not eager to study this. > > > > > > Before we blame the author for his technique the technique must be presented here, and not just the blame. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " surajyg " <jyothikasooraj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreeramji > > > > Thank you for the reply. > > > > So as I understand the navamsha dispositor will play a major role The confusion arose as some books like Light on astrology by Hart defouw gives importance to the nakshatra lords and planets aspecting the nodes,they do not mention the Navamsha dispositor.By this technique it becomes difficult to tell when 3 or planets aspect the nodes. > > > > Thank you > > > > Sooraj > > > > > > > > , " Sre_eram " <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Member, > > > > > > > > > > Query: When NO planets are conjunct > > > > > Consider the Navamsa Dispositor for predictive purpose > > > > > > > > > > Query: When the nodes are in their own nakshatras > > > > > Consider them to be strong and to deliver results as per their malefic > > > > > or benefic positions > > > > > > > > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi > > > > > Consider Nodes are weak to deliver results. Focus more on navamsa > > > > > dispositor than rasi dispositor. Assuming navamsa dispositor is weak or > > > > > debilitated, Nodes ability to deliver result is effected > > > > > > > > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi but > > > > > exalted in Navamsa > > > > > Consider Nodes are strong. Focus again on navamsa dispositor position > > > > > than on rasi dispositor. > > > > > > > > > > Query : Does the previous antardasha of the nodes give a fair idea of > > > > > how their Mahadasha will be?? > > > > > Cannot be same. Consider Jupiter-Rahu dasha, the promise is shown by > > > > > Jupiter based on its ownership and karatatwa..... In the context of > > > > > Query, Rahu karatatwa is totally different Jupiter, hence the Mahadasha > > > > > results vary for dasha lord. One can guesstimate for Rahu-Jupiter - > > > > > however, this is based on one's predictive and analytical skills..... > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Dear Sooraj Ji, The most significant aspect is not whether you are disrespecting an Author, BUT more importantly you are distorting, not only the Author's comments/writings without understanding the principles deeply, but your are also distorting the technique presented by Sreeram Ji without understanding where he is coming from. 1. Nodes are Chaya grahas and hence Planets conjunct with them, Rashi, Nak dispositors AND planets aspecting them are extremely important and will modify the results. Just because it is difficult and cumbersome to take into account aspects of other planets, does not mean it does not work. An easy method is not a better method. 2. Navamsha dispositors have to be used carefully and is the domain of "Advanced" Astrologers with several years of experience under their Belt. Sreeram Ji has many years studying this subject. 3. Light On Life is an introductory book on Jyotish (although many even so called "advanced" astrologers don't even know the Basics thoroughly so it is a good book for all of us). Being an introductory Book Hart does not go deeply into topics like Navamsha. Contrary to what your message has suggested, Light On Life is one of those rare Gems that is full of brilliant jyotish knowledge from an authentic Jyotishi. Regards, -Manoj sooraj gopal <jyothikasooraj Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 11:26:17 AMRe: Re: Nodes Dear Bhaskarji I am sorry if I sounded disrespectful towards Hart de fouw.I have the highest regards for him and Svoboda for their astrological and spiritual endeavours and heights achieved. Dear Bhaskarji and SreeramjiGiving the following scenario Leo lagna,Moon in lagna,jupiter libra Rahu in shatabisha,Saturn in Bharani with Ravi and budh Going by order No planet in conjunction Nakshatra lord rahu Saturn in debilitation and combust with some cancellation of debility as mars is in 10th house and saturn in exalted in navamsha Aspected by 12th lord moon and 5th and 8th lord Jupiter in libra. Going by the order Rahu will give more results of Saturn Going by the Navamsha Rahu will give results of saturn which is exalted in 3rd house in libra [lagna,rahu and ketu vargottama] In the second case Vrishabha lagna Rahu in 10th house in shatabisha Saturn in debilitation in krittika 12 house,Mars also debilitated in the 3rd house Aspected by Mars in 3rd house chandra mercury from 4th house Going by the order No planet in conjunction Nakshatra lord rahu Saturn is debilitated with Mars also debilitated Aspected by mars,moon and mercury. Going by navamsha Mesha lagna ,Rahu in 10 th house ,capricorn, saturn in leo 5th house . Doesnt interpretation change by these methods. Going by navamsha Rahu Maha dasha in both case appears beneficial and otherwise malefic I have just started learning astrology so kindly bear with me . --- On Fri, 18/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Nodesancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, 18 December, 2009, 8:30 PM Dear Sooraj ji,there is no confusion if you follow the right way. The Node gives results in the following manner always in the Order as below.1) Planet in conjunction within 4 degrees.2) Nakshatra Lord results.3) Sign Lord Results.4) Results of House/Planets aspected.When the Nakshatra results are taken, you are automatically taking navamsha results, are you not ?Ultimately even if You take the navamsha , then what is it ? Is it not a division based on nakshatra divisions ?We must appreciate the foreign astrologers who have taken the Indian system of Nakshtaras for their studies, when many astrologers are still far behind this in India itself, not eager to study this.Before we blame the author for his technique the technique must be presented here, and not just the blame. regards/Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, "surajyg" <jyothikasooraj@ ...> wrote:>> > > Dear Sreeramji> Thank you for the reply.> So as I understand the navamsha dispositor will play a major role The confusion arose as some books like Light on astrology by Hart defouw gives importance to the nakshatra lords and planets aspecting the nodes,they do not mention the Navamsha dispositor.By this technique it becomes difficult to tell when 3 or planets aspect the nodes.> Thank you > Sooraj> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sre_eram" <sreeram64@> wrote:> >> > Dear Member,> > > > Query: When NO planets are conjunct> > Consider the Navamsa Dispositor for predictive purpose> > > > Query: When the nodes are in their own nakshatras> > Consider them to be strong and to deliver results as per their malefic> > or benefic positions> > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi> > Consider Nodes are weak to deliver results. Focus more on navamsa> > dispositor than rasi dispositor. Assuming navamsa dispositor is weak or> > debilitated, Nodes ability to deliver result is effected> > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi but> > exalted in Navamsa> > Consider Nodes are strong. Focus again on navamsa dispositor position> > than on rasi dispositor.> > > > Query : Does the previous antardasha of the nodes give a fair idea of> > how their Mahadasha will be??> > Cannot be same. Consider Jupiter-Rahu dasha, the promise is shown by> > Jupiter based on its ownership and karatatwa... .. In the context of> > Query, Rahu karatatwa is totally different Jupiter, hence the Mahadasha> > results vary for dasha lord. One can guesstimate for Rahu-Jupiter -> > however, this is based on one's predictive and analytical skills.....> > > > With regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas> > >> >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. 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