Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Dear Aashish ji, Before you begin writing down the results the way you have understood I am asking, I will be specific what I mean to say. I will repeat what I said earlier. ////When the Nakshatra results are taken, you are automatically taking navamsha results, are you not ?// This means that a nakshatra division is of 13.20 degrees and the Navamsa degree is of 3.20 degrees, so when you are taking the whole, the part of it too comes in the whole. Now talking of predictive results. One cannot just write down the results of a planet in a sign, or a planet in a house and be with it. We need to check other factors like dispositor, aspects, strength of all types and then amalgamate to a effective conclusion. In nakshatra results also the whole will give you a particular result in terms of predictive results, the part will give you the condensed results, and another smaller part, call it charan in traditional, or a finer division like sublord in KP. Now here too results have to be amalgamated if we are talking of predictions. But the part remains same. The Pizza is same and the morsel size is different, but art of the whole. This was what I meant to say. without the Pizza the morsel cannot come, and without the Nakshatra division, the navamsa cannot come. regards, Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Aashish ji, > > To answer this, first I would request you to please give me the results both ways, what will be - > > 1) With Jupiter in Bhairini owned by Venus, AND > > 2) With Leo Navamsa owned by the Sun. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > , " raiaashish " <raiaashish@> wrote: > > > > Namaskar Bhaskarji, > > I am a beginner so please bear with me. I am little confused? > > //When the Nakshatra results are taken, you are automatically taking navamsha results, are you not ?// > > > > For example Aries Lagna, Jupiter is in Lagna at 15'. So Jupiter is in Bharani nakshtra which is owned by Venus but the Navamsa will be Leo owned by Sun. Then how the results will be the same ? > > > > Regards, > > Aashish > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Namaskar Bhaskarji, Thanks a lot for the clarification. Regards, Aashish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Dear Sooraj ji, Everyone approaches his target in his own way. Though you have addressed your mail to Sreemaji and me both, but he may have another style of looking at results what Rahu can produce, or he may not have another way of approach, I do not know. But let me talk how I look at it. Now there are certain other matters which I see before I begun predicting malefic or benefic.(I am just taking the first case only as do not have spare time to look at both.I was busy whole night awake and working as you can note from the timing of the earlier mail) For instance I would check whether Rahu has shifted to the 6th or the 8th in Bhava Chalit. Next I will also check whether Jupiter has shifted to the 2nd. Next I will check whether Saturn has shifted either to the 8th or the 10th. I will also check similiarly for the Moon. After doing this checking, I will prepare a new List of what jupiter can give to me, what Saturn can give to me, what the Moon can give to me, and lastly Rahus placement in the BhavaChalit. We need to check results of Moon and Jupiter because they are aspecting Rahu. Saturn I will check results because Saturn is the sign lord where Rahu is placed. Now I made an error in my last mail. Point No.4 " Results of House/Planets aspected. " should always be considered second last, while sign Lord results will come in the Last order of importance (if planets are placed in that House). In any case whether these Planets shift to another Bhava or not, Saturn still remains a Lord of the 6th (If Exalted in Navamsa then more stronger), and Moon remains Lord of 12th while Jupiter remains Lord of 8th, so these Bhava results also have to come. You can yourself judge the results of what Rahu Mahadasha will give in light of above informations. regards/Bhaskar. , sooraj gopal <jyothikasooraj wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji > I am sorry if I sounded disrespectful towards Hart de fouw.I have the highest regards for him and Svoboda for their astrological and spiritual endeavours and heights achieved. > Dear Bhaskarji and Sreeramji > Giving the following scenario > Leo lagna,Moon in lagna,jupiter libra > Rahu in shatabisha,Saturn in Bharani with Ravi and budh > Going by order > No planet in conjunction > Nakshatra lord rahu > Saturn in debilitation and combust with some cancellation of debility as mars is in 10th house and saturn in exalted in navamsha > Aspected by 12th lord moon and 5th and 8th lord Jupiter in libra. > Going by the order Rahu will give more results of Saturn > Going by the Navamsha > Rahu will give results of saturn which is exalted in 3rd house in libra [lagna,rahu and ketu vargottama] >  > In the second case > Vrishabha lagna > Rahu in 10th house in shatabisha > Saturn in debilitation in krittika 12 house,Mars also debilitated in the 3rd house > Aspected by Mars in 3rd house chandra mercury from 4th house > Going by the order > No planet in conjunction > Nakshatra lord rahu > Saturn is debilitated with Mars also debilitated > Aspected by mars,moon and mercury. > Going by navamsha > Mesha lagna ,Rahu in 10 th house ,capricorn, saturn in leo 5th house . > Doesnt interpretation change by these methods. > Going by navamsha Rahu Maha dasha in both case appears beneficial and otherwise malefic > I have just started learning astrology so kindly bear with me . >  > --- On Fri, 18/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > Re: Nodes > > Friday, 18 December, 2009, 8:30 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Sooraj ji, > > there is no confusion if you follow the right way. > > The Node gives results in the following manner always in the Order as below. > > 1) Planet in conjunction within 4 degrees. > > 2) Nakshatra Lord results. > > 3) Sign Lord Results. > > 4) Results of House/Planets aspected. > > When the Nakshatra results are taken, you are automatically taking navamsha results, are you not ? > > Ultimately even if You take the navamsha , then what is it ? Is it not a division based on nakshatra divisions ? > > We must appreciate the foreign astrologers who have taken the Indian system of Nakshtaras for their studies, when many astrologers are still far behind this in India itself, not eager to study this. > > Before we blame the author for his technique the technique must be presented here, and not just the blame. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " surajyg " <jyothikasooraj@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreeramji > > Thank you for the reply. > > So as I understand the navamsha dispositor will play a major role The confusion arose as some books like Light on astrology by Hart defouw gives importance to the nakshatra lords and planets aspecting the nodes,they do not mention the Navamsha dispositor.By this technique it becomes difficult to tell when 3 or planets aspect the nodes. > > Thank you > > Sooraj > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sre_eram " <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Member, > > > > > > Query: When NO planets are conjunct > > > Consider the Navamsa Dispositor for predictive purpose > > > > > > Query: When the nodes are in their own nakshatras > > > Consider them to be strong and to deliver results as per their malefic > > > or benefic positions > > > > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi > > > Consider Nodes are weak to deliver results. Focus more on navamsa > > > dispositor than rasi dispositor. Assuming navamsa dispositor is weak or > > > debilitated, Nodes ability to deliver result is effected > > > > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi but > > > exalted in Navamsa > > > Consider Nodes are strong. Focus again on navamsa dispositor position > > > than on rasi dispositor. > > > > > > Query : Does the previous antardasha of the nodes give a fair idea of > > > how their Mahadasha will be?? > > > Cannot be same. Consider Jupiter-Rahu dasha, the promise is shown by > > > Jupiter based on its ownership and karatatwa... .. In the context of > > > Query, Rahu karatatwa is totally different Jupiter, hence the Mahadasha > > > results vary for dasha lord. One can guesstimate for Rahu-Jupiter - > > > however, this is based on one's predictive and analytical skills..... > > > > > > With regards, > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Dear Vijay Ji, Also very importantly Hart learned Jyotish from Mantri Ji personally for 15 years. Mantri Ji taught him very many techniques including Seshadri Iyer's techniques. So his book is the result of decades of experience from his Guru and himself. You are 100% correct that every thing in that book is result of practical experience and not just theoritical knowledge. Regards, -Manoj vijay.goel <goyalvj Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 10:56:27 AM Re: Nodes Respected Soorajji and all,//The confusion arose as some books like Light on astrology by Hart defouw gives importance to the nakshatra lords and planets aspecting the nodes//Sir Hart De fauw, i think , is the ardent follower and direct disciple of Sri Seshasdari Iyer. Whatever he would have been writing are just what he has learnt and experienced for many years of his direct learning from his guru Sri S. Iyer.The great Iyer was the one of the earliest learned astrologer to open secrets of divisional chart to the masses.So please read Defow's books with deep understanding and rethinking on all his statements. he never lets his readers with confusion.------------ -//The Node gives results in the following manner always in the Order as below.> > 1) Planet in conjunction within 4 degrees.> > 2) Nakshatra Lord results.> > 3) Sign Lord Results.> > 4) Results of House/Planets aspected.///This above points are the finest consolidated results of nodes as i have experience many times practically while reading the charts in the traditional ways, although this particular order is primarily given by Sir KSK in KP. For traditional way don't worry for this order but consider all points.Some addition to above is, unafflicted nodes in trines or kendre to lagna with functional benefic planets gives sure shot rajyogas in their dasas.------------Respected Bhaskerji,//> When the Nakshatra results are taken, you are automatically taking navamsha results, are you not ?//[Vijay]It seems superficially but at real sense it is totally different.//> Ultimately even if You take the navamsha , then what is it ? Is it not a division based on nakshatra divisions ?//[Vijay] NOT AT ALL, D-9 Is NOT based on Nakshatra division. technically it looks same due to 'same value division'.But at deriving the results it has lot of difference at understanding.------------ -------To understand navamsha, best is to read Sri CS Patels books. he has given lot of points by discovering it from nadi literature on navamsha and nakshatras and its different uses and to do re-search on it.[please do not ask me to produce anything, please work for yourself]Hint: some particular transits of saturn and jupiter on particular nakshatras gives some specified results.whereas some particular transits of saturn and jupiter in different navamsha pronounce totally different results.------------ ------Thankyou,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur.ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ....> wrote:>> Dear Sooraj ji,> > there is no confusion if you follow the right way. > > The Node gives results in the following manner always in the Order as below.> > 1) Planet in conjunction within 4 degrees.> > 2) Nakshatra Lord results.> > 3) Sign Lord Results.> > 4) Results of House/Planets aspected.> > When the Nakshatra results are taken, you are automatically taking navamsha results, are you not ?> > Ultimately even if You take the navamsha , then what is it ? Is it not a division based on nakshatra divisions ?> > We must appreciate the foreign astrologers who have taken the Indian system of Nakshtaras for their studies, when many astrologers are still far behind this in India itself, not eager to study this.> > Before we blame the author for his technique the technique must be presented here, and not just the blame. > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "surajyg" <jyothikasooraj@ > wrote:> >> > > > > > Dear Sreeramji> > Thank you for the reply.> > So as I understand the navamsha dispositor will play a major role The confusion arose as some books like Light on astrology by Hart defouw gives importance to the nakshatra lords and planets aspecting the nodes,they do not mention the Navamsha dispositor.By this technique it becomes difficult to tell when 3 or planets aspect the nodes.> > Thank you > > Sooraj> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sre_eram" <sreeram64@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Member,> > > > > > Query: When NO planets are conjunct> > > Consider the Navamsa Dispositor for predictive purpose> > > > > > Query: When the nodes are in their own nakshatras> > > Consider them to be strong and to deliver results as per their malefic> > > or benefic positions> > > > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi> > > Consider Nodes are weak to deliver results. Focus more on navamsa> > > dispositor than rasi dispositor. Assuming navamsa dispositor is weak or> > > debilitated, Nodes ability to deliver result is effected> > > > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi but> > > exalted in Navamsa> > > Consider Nodes are strong. Focus again on navamsa dispositor position> > > than on rasi dispositor.> > > > > > Query : Does the previous antardasha of the nodes give a fair idea of> > > how their Mahadasha will be??> > > Cannot be same. Consider Jupiter-Rahu dasha, the promise is shown by> > > Jupiter based on its ownership and karatatwa... .. In the context of> > > Query, Rahu karatatwa is totally different Jupiter, hence the Mahadasha> > > results vary for dasha lord. One can guesstimate for Rahu-Jupiter -> > > however, this is based on one's predictive and analytical skills.....> > > > > > With regards,> > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Dear Shri Manojji, Namaste. Will you please enlighten me where these books could be obtained since we the south indians find it very difficult to come across such books in the local book stores. Even big shops like Giri Trading is not having such books. Learners like me are desirous of getting such valuable books. Hope the books are in English.with regardsS.R.Balasubramaniam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Dear Bhaskarji, What you have presented is KP on nodes. But as per predictive stellar book, the order is 1. Conjoining planets 2. Planets aspecting 3. Lord of Nakshatra 4. Lord of Sign What is practically right? Moreover, Nakshatra is not Navamsha. Nakshatra is 2.5 divisions while Navamsha is 9 divisions. This way, Navamsa is more powerful than Nakshatra. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Sooraj ji, > > Everyone approaches his target in his own way. Though you have addressed your mail to Sreemaji and me both, but he may have another style of looking at results what Rahu can produce, or he may not have another way of approach, I do not know. But let me talk how I look at it. > > Now there are certain other matters which I see before I begun predicting malefic or benefic.(I am just taking the first case only as do not have spare time to look at both.I was busy whole night awake and working as you can note from the timing of the earlier mail) For instance I would check whether Rahu has shifted to the 6th or the 8th in Bhava Chalit. Next I will also check whether Jupiter has shifted to the 2nd. Next I will check whether Saturn has shifted either to the 8th or the 10th. I will also check similiarly for the Moon. After doing this checking, I will prepare a new List of what jupiter can give to me, what Saturn can give to me, what the Moon can give to me, and lastly Rahus placement in the BhavaChalit. > > We need to check results of Moon and Jupiter because they are aspecting Rahu. Saturn I will check results because Saturn is the sign lord where Rahu is placed. > > Now I made an error in my last mail. > > Point No.4 " Results of House/Planets aspected. " should always be considered second last, while sign Lord results will come in the Last order of importance (if planets are placed in that House). > > In any case whether these Planets shift to another Bhava or not, Saturn still remains a Lord of the 6th (If Exalted in Navamsa then more stronger), and Moon remains Lord of 12th while Jupiter remains Lord of 8th, so these Bhava results also have to come. You can yourself judge the results of what Rahu Mahadasha will give in light of above informations. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > , sooraj gopal <jyothikasooraj@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > I am sorry if I sounded disrespectful towards Hart de fouw.I have the highest regards for him and Svoboda for their astrological and spiritual endeavours and heights achieved. > > Dear Bhaskarji and Sreeramji > > Giving the following scenario > > Leo lagna,Moon in lagna,jupiter libra > > Rahu in shatabisha,Saturn in Bharani with Ravi and budh > > Going by order > > No planet in conjunction > > Nakshatra lord rahu > > Saturn in debilitation and combust with some cancellation of debility as mars is in 10th house and saturn in exalted in navamsha > > Aspected by 12th lord moon and 5th and 8th lord Jupiter in libra. > > Going by the order Rahu will give more results of Saturn > > Going by the Navamsha > > Rahu will give results of saturn which is exalted in 3rd house in libra [lagna,rahu and ketu vargottama] > >  > > In the second case > > Vrishabha lagna > > Rahu in 10th house in shatabisha > > Saturn in debilitation in krittika 12 house,Mars also debilitated in the 3rd house > > Aspected by Mars in 3rd house chandra mercury from 4th house > > Going by the order > > No planet in conjunction > > Nakshatra lord rahu > > Saturn is debilitated with Mars also debilitated > > Aspected by mars,moon and mercury. > > Going by navamsha > > Mesha lagna ,Rahu in 10 th house ,capricorn, saturn in leo 5th house . > > Doesnt interpretation change by these methods. > > Going by navamsha Rahu Maha dasha in both case appears beneficial and otherwise malefic > > I have just started learning astrology so kindly bear with me . > >  > > --- On Fri, 18/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > Re: Nodes > > > > Friday, 18 December, 2009, 8:30 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Sooraj ji, > > > > there is no confusion if you follow the right way. > > > > The Node gives results in the following manner always in the Order as below. > > > > 1) Planet in conjunction within 4 degrees. > > > > 2) Nakshatra Lord results. > > > > 3) Sign Lord Results. > > > > 4) Results of House/Planets aspected. > > > > When the Nakshatra results are taken, you are automatically taking navamsha results, are you not ? > > > > Ultimately even if You take the navamsha , then what is it ? Is it not a division based on nakshatra divisions ? > > > > We must appreciate the foreign astrologers who have taken the Indian system of Nakshtaras for their studies, when many astrologers are still far behind this in India itself, not eager to study this. > > > > Before we blame the author for his technique the technique must be presented here, and not just the blame. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " surajyg " <jyothikasooraj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreeramji > > > Thank you for the reply. > > > So as I understand the navamsha dispositor will play a major role The confusion arose as some books like Light on astrology by Hart defouw gives importance to the nakshatra lords and planets aspecting the nodes,they do not mention the Navamsha dispositor.By this technique it becomes difficult to tell when 3 or planets aspect the nodes. > > > Thank you > > > Sooraj > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sre_eram " <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Member, > > > > > > > > Query: When NO planets are conjunct > > > > Consider the Navamsa Dispositor for predictive purpose > > > > > > > > Query: When the nodes are in their own nakshatras > > > > Consider them to be strong and to deliver results as per their malefic > > > > or benefic positions > > > > > > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi > > > > Consider Nodes are weak to deliver results. Focus more on navamsa > > > > dispositor than rasi dispositor. Assuming navamsa dispositor is weak or > > > > debilitated, Nodes ability to deliver result is effected > > > > > > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi but > > > > exalted in Navamsa > > > > Consider Nodes are strong. Focus again on navamsa dispositor position > > > > than on rasi dispositor. > > > > > > > > Query : Does the previous antardasha of the nodes give a fair idea of > > > > how their Mahadasha will be?? > > > > Cannot be same. Consider Jupiter-Rahu dasha, the promise is shown by > > > > Jupiter based on its ownership and karatatwa... .. In the context of > > > > Query, Rahu karatatwa is totally different Jupiter, hence the Mahadasha > > > > results vary for dasha lord. One can guesstimate for Rahu-Jupiter - > > > > however, this is based on one's predictive and analytical skills..... > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Dear Dev ji, Yes this is from KP, and I have mentioned this on scores of mails till date. Whether I have presented KP or James Bond theory or Plutonic theory, does not matter. The essence is what matters. (By the way this principle is from Brihata jataka, if you go deeper you will realise this.) The order of Importance - You decide as per what book you follow,and what suits better to You and I decide as per what I follow. Practically it would be better for you to study through both ways to have a personal experience. I follow the order which I mentioned, and consider it as right. Now you mentioned - // This way, Navamsa is more powerful than Nakshatra.// Sir who is contending this fact ? Have I not said the same to another gentleman Aashishji in another post ? " This means that a nakshatra division is of 13.20 degrees and the Navamsa degree is of 3.20 degrees, so when you are taking the whole, the part of it too comes in the whole. Now talking of predictive results. One cannot just write down the results of a planet in a sign, or a planet in a house and be with it. We need to check other factors like dispositor, aspects, strength of all types and then amalgamate to a effective conclusion. In nakshatra results also the whole will give you a particular result in terms of predictive results, the part will give you the condensed results, and another smaller part, call it charan in traditional, or a finer division like sublord in KP. Now here too results have to be amalgamated if we are talking of predictions. But the part remains same. The Pizza is same and the morsel size is different, but art of the whole. This was what I meant to say. without the Pizza the morsel cannot come, and without the Nakshatra division, the navamsa cannot come. " I will also add that more stronger than Navamsha is the " Navamsha charan " . But since you were speaking of KP, I will mention now that the Sublord is the strongest of them all. regards/Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > What you have presented is KP on nodes. But as per predictive stellar book, the order is > > 1. Conjoining planets > 2. Planets aspecting > 3. Lord of Nakshatra > 4. Lord of Sign > > What is practically right? > Moreover, Nakshatra is not Navamsha. Nakshatra is 2.5 divisions while Navamsha is 9 divisions. This way, Navamsa is more powerful than Nakshatra. > > regds > Dev > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sooraj ji, > > > > Everyone approaches his target in his own way. Though you have addressed your mail to Sreemaji and me both, but he may have another style of looking at results what Rahu can produce, or he may not have another way of approach, I do not know. But let me talk how I look at it. > > > > Now there are certain other matters which I see before I begun predicting malefic or benefic.(I am just taking the first case only as do not have spare time to look at both.I was busy whole night awake and working as you can note from the timing of the earlier mail) For instance I would check whether Rahu has shifted to the 6th or the 8th in Bhava Chalit. Next I will also check whether Jupiter has shifted to the 2nd. Next I will check whether Saturn has shifted either to the 8th or the 10th. I will also check similiarly for the Moon. After doing this checking, I will prepare a new List of what jupiter can give to me, what Saturn can give to me, what the Moon can give to me, and lastly Rahus placement in the BhavaChalit. > > > > We need to check results of Moon and Jupiter because they are aspecting Rahu. Saturn I will check results because Saturn is the sign lord where Rahu is placed. > > > > Now I made an error in my last mail. > > > > Point No.4 " Results of House/Planets aspected. " should always be considered second last, while sign Lord results will come in the Last order of importance (if planets are placed in that House). > > > > In any case whether these Planets shift to another Bhava or not, Saturn still remains a Lord of the 6th (If Exalted in Navamsa then more stronger), and Moon remains Lord of 12th while Jupiter remains Lord of 8th, so these Bhava results also have to come. You can yourself judge the results of what Rahu Mahadasha will give in light of above informations. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , sooraj gopal <jyothikasooraj@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > I am sorry if I sounded disrespectful towards Hart de fouw.I have the highest regards for him and Svoboda for their astrological and spiritual endeavours and heights achieved. > > > Dear Bhaskarji and Sreeramji > > > Giving the following scenario > > > Leo lagna,Moon in lagna,jupiter libra > > > Rahu in shatabisha,Saturn in Bharani with Ravi and budh > > > Going by order > > > No planet in conjunction > > > Nakshatra lord rahu > > > Saturn in debilitation and combust with some cancellation of debility as mars is in 10th house and saturn in exalted in navamsha > > > Aspected by 12th lord moon and 5th and 8th lord Jupiter in libra. > > > Going by the order Rahu will give more results of Saturn > > > Going by the Navamsha > > > Rahu will give results of saturn which is exalted in 3rd house in libra [lagna,rahu and ketu vargottama] > > >  > > > In the second case > > > Vrishabha lagna > > > Rahu in 10th house in shatabisha > > > Saturn in debilitation in krittika 12 house,Mars also debilitated in the 3rd house > > > Aspected by Mars in 3rd house chandra mercury from 4th house > > > Going by the order > > > No planet in conjunction > > > Nakshatra lord rahu > > > Saturn is debilitated with Mars also debilitated > > > Aspected by mars,moon and mercury. > > > Going by navamsha > > > Mesha lagna ,Rahu in 10 th house ,capricorn, saturn in leo 5th house . > > > Doesnt interpretation change by these methods. > > > Going by navamsha Rahu Maha dasha in both case appears beneficial and otherwise malefic > > > I have just started learning astrology so kindly bear with me . > > >  > > > --- On Fri, 18/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > Re: Nodes > > > > > > Friday, 18 December, 2009, 8:30 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sooraj ji, > > > > > > there is no confusion if you follow the right way. > > > > > > The Node gives results in the following manner always in the Order as below. > > > > > > 1) Planet in conjunction within 4 degrees. > > > > > > 2) Nakshatra Lord results. > > > > > > 3) Sign Lord Results. > > > > > > 4) Results of House/Planets aspected. > > > > > > When the Nakshatra results are taken, you are automatically taking navamsha results, are you not ? > > > > > > Ultimately even if You take the navamsha , then what is it ? Is it not a division based on nakshatra divisions ? > > > > > > We must appreciate the foreign astrologers who have taken the Indian system of Nakshtaras for their studies, when many astrologers are still far behind this in India itself, not eager to study this. > > > > > > Before we blame the author for his technique the technique must be presented here, and not just the blame. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " surajyg " <jyothikasooraj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreeramji > > > > Thank you for the reply. > > > > So as I understand the navamsha dispositor will play a major role The confusion arose as some books like Light on astrology by Hart defouw gives importance to the nakshatra lords and planets aspecting the nodes,they do not mention the Navamsha dispositor.By this technique it becomes difficult to tell when 3 or planets aspect the nodes. > > > > Thank you > > > > Sooraj > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sre_eram " <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Member, > > > > > > > > > > Query: When NO planets are conjunct > > > > > Consider the Navamsa Dispositor for predictive purpose > > > > > > > > > > Query: When the nodes are in their own nakshatras > > > > > Consider them to be strong and to deliver results as per their malefic > > > > > or benefic positions > > > > > > > > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi > > > > > Consider Nodes are weak to deliver results. Focus more on navamsa > > > > > dispositor than rasi dispositor. Assuming navamsa dispositor is weak or > > > > > debilitated, Nodes ability to deliver result is effected > > > > > > > > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi but > > > > > exalted in Navamsa > > > > > Consider Nodes are strong. Focus again on navamsa dispositor position > > > > > than on rasi dispositor. > > > > > > > > > > Query : Does the previous antardasha of the nodes give a fair idea of > > > > > how their Mahadasha will be?? > > > > > Cannot be same. Consider Jupiter-Rahu dasha, the promise is shown by > > > > > Jupiter based on its ownership and karatatwa... .. In the context of > > > > > Query, Rahu karatatwa is totally different Jupiter, hence the Mahadasha > > > > > results vary for dasha lord. One can guesstimate for Rahu-Jupiter - > > > > > however, this is based on one's predictive and analytical skills..... > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Agreed Bhaskarji. In my view, without sub lord concept, KP can not exist because then it becomes Meena Nadi. regds Dev , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Dev ji, > > Yes this is from KP, and I have mentioned this on scores of mails till date. Whether I have presented KP or James Bond theory or Plutonic theory, does not matter. The essence is what matters. (By the way this principle is from Brihata jataka, if you go deeper you will realise this.) > > The order of Importance - You decide as per what book you follow,and what suits better to You and I decide as per what I follow. > > Practically it would be better for you to study through both ways to have a personal experience. I follow the order which I mentioned, and consider it as right. > > Now you mentioned - > > // This way, Navamsa is more powerful than Nakshatra.// > > Sir who is contending this fact ? Have I not said the same to another gentleman Aashishji in another post ? > > " This means that a nakshatra division is of 13.20 degrees and the Navamsa degree is of 3.20 degrees, so when you are taking the whole, the part of it too comes in the whole. > > Now talking of predictive results. One cannot just write down the results of a planet in a sign, or a planet in a house and be with it. We need to check other factors like dispositor, aspects, strength of all types and then amalgamate to a effective conclusion. > > In nakshatra results also the whole will give you a particular result in terms of predictive results, the part will give you the condensed results, and another smaller part, call it charan in traditional, or a finer division like sublord in KP. Now here too results have to be amalgamated if we are talking of predictions. But the part remains same. The Pizza is same and the morsel size is different, but art of the whole. > > This was what I meant to say. without the Pizza the morsel cannot come, and without the Nakshatra division, the navamsa cannot come. " > > I will also add that more stronger than Navamsha is the " Navamsha charan " . But since you were speaking of KP, I will mention now that the Sublord is the strongest of them all. > > regards/Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > What you have presented is KP on nodes. But as per predictive stellar book, the order is > > > > 1. Conjoining planets > > 2. Planets aspecting > > 3. Lord of Nakshatra > > 4. Lord of Sign > > > > What is practically right? > > Moreover, Nakshatra is not Navamsha. Nakshatra is 2.5 divisions while Navamsha is 9 divisions. This way, Navamsa is more powerful than Nakshatra. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sooraj ji, > > > > > > Everyone approaches his target in his own way. Though you have addressed your mail to Sreemaji and me both, but he may have another style of looking at results what Rahu can produce, or he may not have another way of approach, I do not know. But let me talk how I look at it. > > > > > > Now there are certain other matters which I see before I begun predicting malefic or benefic.(I am just taking the first case only as do not have spare time to look at both.I was busy whole night awake and working as you can note from the timing of the earlier mail) For instance I would check whether Rahu has shifted to the 6th or the 8th in Bhava Chalit. Next I will also check whether Jupiter has shifted to the 2nd. Next I will check whether Saturn has shifted either to the 8th or the 10th. I will also check similiarly for the Moon. After doing this checking, I will prepare a new List of what jupiter can give to me, what Saturn can give to me, what the Moon can give to me, and lastly Rahus placement in the BhavaChalit. > > > > > > We need to check results of Moon and Jupiter because they are aspecting Rahu. Saturn I will check results because Saturn is the sign lord where Rahu is placed. > > > > > > Now I made an error in my last mail. > > > > > > Point No.4 " Results of House/Planets aspected. " should always be considered second last, while sign Lord results will come in the Last order of importance (if planets are placed in that House). > > > > > > In any case whether these Planets shift to another Bhava or not, Saturn still remains a Lord of the 6th (If Exalted in Navamsa then more stronger), and Moon remains Lord of 12th while Jupiter remains Lord of 8th, so these Bhava results also have to come. You can yourself judge the results of what Rahu Mahadasha will give in light of above informations. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , sooraj gopal <jyothikasooraj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > I am sorry if I sounded disrespectful towards Hart de fouw.I have the highest regards for him and Svoboda for their astrological and spiritual endeavours and heights achieved. > > > > Dear Bhaskarji and Sreeramji > > > > Giving the following scenario > > > > Leo lagna,Moon in lagna,jupiter libra > > > > Rahu in shatabisha,Saturn in Bharani with Ravi and budh > > > > Going by order > > > > No planet in conjunction > > > > Nakshatra lord rahu > > > > Saturn in debilitation and combust with some cancellation of debility as mars is in 10th house and saturn in exalted in navamsha > > > > Aspected by 12th lord moon and 5th and 8th lord Jupiter in libra. > > > > Going by the order Rahu will give more results of Saturn > > > > Going by the Navamsha > > > > Rahu will give results of saturn which is exalted in 3rd house in libra [lagna,rahu and ketu vargottama] > > > >  > > > > In the second case > > > > Vrishabha lagna > > > > Rahu in 10th house in shatabisha > > > > Saturn in debilitation in krittika 12 house,Mars also debilitated in the 3rd house > > > > Aspected by Mars in 3rd house chandra mercury from 4th house > > > > Going by the order > > > > No planet in conjunction > > > > Nakshatra lord rahu > > > > Saturn is debilitated with Mars also debilitated > > > > Aspected by mars,moon and mercury. > > > > Going by navamsha > > > > Mesha lagna ,Rahu in 10 th house ,capricorn, saturn in leo 5th house . > > > > Doesnt interpretation change by these methods. > > > > Going by navamsha Rahu Maha dasha in both case appears beneficial and otherwise malefic > > > > I have just started learning astrology so kindly bear with me . > > > >  > > > > --- On Fri, 18/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > Re: Nodes > > > > > > > > Friday, 18 December, 2009, 8:30 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sooraj ji, > > > > > > > > there is no confusion if you follow the right way. > > > > > > > > The Node gives results in the following manner always in the Order as below. > > > > > > > > 1) Planet in conjunction within 4 degrees. > > > > > > > > 2) Nakshatra Lord results. > > > > > > > > 3) Sign Lord Results. > > > > > > > > 4) Results of House/Planets aspected. > > > > > > > > When the Nakshatra results are taken, you are automatically taking navamsha results, are you not ? > > > > > > > > Ultimately even if You take the navamsha , then what is it ? Is it not a division based on nakshatra divisions ? > > > > > > > > We must appreciate the foreign astrologers who have taken the Indian system of Nakshtaras for their studies, when many astrologers are still far behind this in India itself, not eager to study this. > > > > > > > > Before we blame the author for his technique the technique must be presented here, and not just the blame. > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " surajyg " <jyothikasooraj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreeramji > > > > > Thank you for the reply. > > > > > So as I understand the navamsha dispositor will play a major role The confusion arose as some books like Light on astrology by Hart defouw gives importance to the nakshatra lords and planets aspecting the nodes,they do not mention the Navamsha dispositor.By this technique it becomes difficult to tell when 3 or planets aspect the nodes. > > > > > Thank you > > > > > Sooraj > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sre_eram " <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Member, > > > > > > > > > > > > Query: When NO planets are conjunct > > > > > > Consider the Navamsa Dispositor for predictive purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > Query: When the nodes are in their own nakshatras > > > > > > Consider them to be strong and to deliver results as per their malefic > > > > > > or benefic positions > > > > > > > > > > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi > > > > > > Consider Nodes are weak to deliver results. Focus more on navamsa > > > > > > dispositor than rasi dispositor. Assuming navamsa dispositor is weak or > > > > > > debilitated, Nodes ability to deliver result is effected > > > > > > > > > > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi but > > > > > > exalted in Navamsa > > > > > > Consider Nodes are strong. Focus again on navamsa dispositor position > > > > > > than on rasi dispositor. > > > > > > > > > > > > Query : Does the previous antardasha of the nodes give a fair idea of > > > > > > how their Mahadasha will be?? > > > > > > Cannot be same. Consider Jupiter-Rahu dasha, the promise is shown by > > > > > > Jupiter based on its ownership and karatatwa... .. In the context of > > > > > > Query, Rahu karatatwa is totally different Jupiter, hence the Mahadasha > > > > > > results vary for dasha lord. One can guesstimate for Rahu-Jupiter - > > > > > > however, this is based on one's predictive and analytical skills..... > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Dear Dev ji, KP is Traditional only but , the cream of a part of the milk. Nothing much difference except for House Divisions. The basic of KPis nakshatra predictions, which is what we were doing in ancient times also. So nothing new here or anything to consider as alien. Meena Nadi is of course from where the essence of KP has been taken. And what is Meena Nadi, if not Navamsha transits, by the way , through divisions of the 30 degrees arc ? Sub lord is nothing but what all call the pratyantar. So actually its all a part of Traditional with some changes. regards/Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > > > Agreed Bhaskarji. In my view, without sub lord concept, KP can not exist because then it becomes Meena Nadi. > > regds > Dev > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > Yes this is from KP, and I have mentioned this on scores of mails till date. Whether I have presented KP or James Bond theory or Plutonic theory, does not matter. The essence is what matters. (By the way this principle is from Brihata jataka, if you go deeper you will realise this.) > > > > The order of Importance - You decide as per what book you follow,and what suits better to You and I decide as per what I follow. > > > > Practically it would be better for you to study through both ways to have a personal experience. I follow the order which I mentioned, and consider it as right. > > > > Now you mentioned - > > > > // This way, Navamsa is more powerful than Nakshatra.// > > > > Sir who is contending this fact ? Have I not said the same to another gentleman Aashishji in another post ? > > > > " This means that a nakshatra division is of 13.20 degrees and the Navamsa degree is of 3.20 degrees, so when you are taking the whole, the part of it too comes in the whole. > > > > Now talking of predictive results. One cannot just write down the results of a planet in a sign, or a planet in a house and be with it. We need to check other factors like dispositor, aspects, strength of all types and then amalgamate to a effective conclusion. > > > > In nakshatra results also the whole will give you a particular result in terms of predictive results, the part will give you the condensed results, and another smaller part, call it charan in traditional, or a finer division like sublord in KP. Now here too results have to be amalgamated if we are talking of predictions. But the part remains same. The Pizza is same and the morsel size is different, but art of the whole. > > > > This was what I meant to say. without the Pizza the morsel cannot come, and without the Nakshatra division, the navamsa cannot come. " > > > > I will also add that more stronger than Navamsha is the " Navamsha charan " . But since you were speaking of KP, I will mention now that the Sublord is the strongest of them all. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > > > What you have presented is KP on nodes. But as per predictive stellar book, the order is > > > > > > 1. Conjoining planets > > > 2. Planets aspecting > > > 3. Lord of Nakshatra > > > 4. Lord of Sign > > > > > > What is practically right? > > > Moreover, Nakshatra is not Navamsha. Nakshatra is 2.5 divisions while Navamsha is 9 divisions. This way, Navamsa is more powerful than Nakshatra. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sooraj ji, > > > > > > > > Everyone approaches his target in his own way. Though you have addressed your mail to Sreemaji and me both, but he may have another style of looking at results what Rahu can produce, or he may not have another way of approach, I do not know. But let me talk how I look at it. > > > > > > > > Now there are certain other matters which I see before I begun predicting malefic or benefic.(I am just taking the first case only as do not have spare time to look at both.I was busy whole night awake and working as you can note from the timing of the earlier mail) For instance I would check whether Rahu has shifted to the 6th or the 8th in Bhava Chalit. Next I will also check whether Jupiter has shifted to the 2nd. Next I will check whether Saturn has shifted either to the 8th or the 10th. I will also check similiarly for the Moon. After doing this checking, I will prepare a new List of what jupiter can give to me, what Saturn can give to me, what the Moon can give to me, and lastly Rahus placement in the BhavaChalit. > > > > > > > > We need to check results of Moon and Jupiter because they are aspecting Rahu. Saturn I will check results because Saturn is the sign lord where Rahu is placed. > > > > > > > > Now I made an error in my last mail. > > > > > > > > Point No.4 " Results of House/Planets aspected. " should always be considered second last, while sign Lord results will come in the Last order of importance (if planets are placed in that House). > > > > > > > > In any case whether these Planets shift to another Bhava or not, Saturn still remains a Lord of the 6th (If Exalted in Navamsa then more stronger), and Moon remains Lord of 12th while Jupiter remains Lord of 8th, so these Bhava results also have to come. You can yourself judge the results of what Rahu Mahadasha will give in light of above informations. > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , sooraj gopal <jyothikasooraj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > I am sorry if I sounded disrespectful towards Hart de fouw.I have the highest regards for him and Svoboda for their astrological and spiritual endeavours and heights achieved. > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji and Sreeramji > > > > > Giving the following scenario > > > > > Leo lagna,Moon in lagna,jupiter libra > > > > > Rahu in shatabisha,Saturn in Bharani with Ravi and budh > > > > > Going by order > > > > > No planet in conjunction > > > > > Nakshatra lord rahu > > > > > Saturn in debilitation and combust with some cancellation of debility as mars is in 10th house and saturn in exalted in navamsha > > > > > Aspected by 12th lord moon and 5th and 8th lord Jupiter in libra. > > > > > Going by the order Rahu will give more results of Saturn > > > > > Going by the Navamsha > > > > > Rahu will give results of saturn which is exalted in 3rd house in libra [lagna,rahu and ketu vargottama] > > > > >  > > > > > In the second case > > > > > Vrishabha lagna > > > > > Rahu in 10th house in shatabisha > > > > > Saturn in debilitation in krittika 12 house,Mars also debilitated in the 3rd house > > > > > Aspected by Mars in 3rd house chandra mercury from 4th house > > > > > Going by the order > > > > > No planet in conjunction > > > > > Nakshatra lord rahu > > > > > Saturn is debilitated with Mars also debilitated > > > > > Aspected by mars,moon and mercury. > > > > > Going by navamsha > > > > > Mesha lagna ,Rahu in 10 th house ,capricorn, saturn in leo 5th house .. > > > > > Doesnt interpretation change by these methods. > > > > > Going by navamsha Rahu Maha dasha in both case appears beneficial and otherwise malefic > > > > > I have just started learning astrology so kindly bear with me . > > > > >  > > > > > --- On Fri, 18/12/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > Re: Nodes > > > > > > > > > > Friday, 18 December, 2009, 8:30 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sooraj ji, > > > > > > > > > > there is no confusion if you follow the right way. > > > > > > > > > > The Node gives results in the following manner always in the Order as below. > > > > > > > > > > 1) Planet in conjunction within 4 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > 2) Nakshatra Lord results. > > > > > > > > > > 3) Sign Lord Results. > > > > > > > > > > 4) Results of House/Planets aspected. > > > > > > > > > > When the Nakshatra results are taken, you are automatically taking navamsha results, are you not ? > > > > > > > > > > Ultimately even if You take the navamsha , then what is it ? Is it not a division based on nakshatra divisions ? > > > > > > > > > > We must appreciate the foreign astrologers who have taken the Indian system of Nakshtaras for their studies, when many astrologers are still far behind this in India itself, not eager to study this. > > > > > > > > > > Before we blame the author for his technique the technique must be presented here, and not just the blame. > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " surajyg " <jyothikasooraj@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreeramji > > > > > > Thank you for the reply. > > > > > > So as I understand the navamsha dispositor will play a major role The confusion arose as some books like Light on astrology by Hart defouw gives importance to the nakshatra lords and planets aspecting the nodes,they do not mention the Navamsha dispositor.By this technique it becomes difficult to tell when 3 or planets aspect the nodes. > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > Sooraj > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sre_eram " <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Member, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Query: When NO planets are conjunct > > > > > > > Consider the Navamsa Dispositor for predictive purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Query: When the nodes are in their own nakshatras > > > > > > > Consider them to be strong and to deliver results as per their malefic > > > > > > > or benefic positions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi > > > > > > > Consider Nodes are weak to deliver results. Focus more on navamsa > > > > > > > dispositor than rasi dispositor. Assuming navamsa dispositor is weak or > > > > > > > debilitated, Nodes ability to deliver result is effected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Query : Nodes are Vargottama and dispositor is debilitated in Rasi but > > > > > > > exalted in Navamsa > > > > > > > Consider Nodes are strong. Focus again on navamsa dispositor position > > > > > > > than on rasi dispositor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Query : Does the previous antardasha of the nodes give a fair idea of > > > > > > > how their Mahadasha will be?? > > > > > > > Cannot be same. Consider Jupiter-Rahu dasha, the promise is shown by > > > > > > > Jupiter based on its ownership and karatatwa... .. In the context of > > > > > > > Query, Rahu karatatwa is totally different Jupiter, hence the Mahadasha > > > > > > > results vary for dasha lord. One can guesstimate for Rahu-Jupiter - > > > > > > > however, this is based on one's predictive and analytical skills..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Dear Bhaskarji Thanks for bringing more clarity. Do the planets aspects on Rahu in navamsha play any role.From the discussion so far, I suppose not. The planets have not changed bhavas In the first case Saturn being sixth and seventh lord ,Rahu in 7th house kumbha [?also swakshetra],will Rahu not give more of 7th house results.Guru being 5th and 8th lord,5th house being moolatrikona will guru not give more 5th house results. Also exaltation in Navamsha will it make Saturn neechabhanga.What will it do the 6th and 7th house effects.[in rasi Mars is in 10th house with venus]. One source I read does not believe in neechabhanga. This is a different question so may be I should be asking in a different thread. Do three planets in debilitation give a good yoga Thanks for your time Regards Sooraj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 Dear Balasubramaniam Ji, I bought the book in the US, so I am not sure where it is available in Chennai. Your best bet may be to get it from Delhi and have it mailed to you. Regards, -Manoj Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46 Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 9:36:07 PM Re: Nodes Dear Shri Manojji, Namaste. Will you please enlighten me where these books could be obtained since we the south indians find it very difficult to come across such books in the local book stores. Even big shops like Giri Trading is not having such books. Learners like me are desirous of getting such valuable books. Hope the books are in English.with regardsS.R.Balasubramaniam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 Dear Sreeram ji,yes I agree with you totally since i am also not a professional but a research student for ever.These days many techniques/tools are available through the ongoing research.....Love and regards,gopi. , "Sre_eram" <sreeram64 wrote:>> Dear member,> > Everyone has to derive his own style, what I shared is my style.....> rest is upto you.....> > Astros use combination of Vimshottari and Prashna to predict , however> in my case, I am NOT a professional astro, my personal technique is more> of background research cases, hence a difference in styles.> > With regards,> Sreeram_Srinivas> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 Dear Shri Manojji, Namaste. Tahnk you for your reply. I shall try to get the book. with warm regardsS.R.Balasubramaniam--- On Sun, 20/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 Dear Sirs, You should come early for further exchanges on a particular thread otherwise one looses the link and has to excersise his brains and think what the other is speaking about. //Do the planets aspects on Rahu in navamsha play any role.From the discussion so far, I suppose not.// The Natal Chart is the tree laden with fruits. AND Actually Navamsa Chart is the juice which one will recieve from those fruits, either sweet or sour or no juice at all. In fact whatever the authors of modern day astrology Books may write, I do not think that one must look for aspects in the Navamsa Chart. (We are not talking of Nadi transits now). // The planets have not changed bhavasIn the first case Saturn being sixth and seventh lord ,Rahu in 7th house kumbha [?also swakshetra],will Rahu not give more of 7th house results. // Rahu whether will give more of 7th house results or 6th I will have to get back to the whole thread and again check what were the positions of the planets we were talking about. (Instead of all this , you should have actually out the Birth details which would have been much simpler to study, rather than pick points from your maill and draw a chart and map the positions as per the inferences you have given) I remember last time too it took me one hour to do this, for a job of 2 minutes had you given the Birth details and then discussed. (If this is your own chart then please think that Rahu will give more results of 7th and console yourself). //Guru being 5thand 8th lord,5th house being moolatrikona will guru not give more 5th house results.// Okay as per your observations even if Guru gives more of 5th house results, so will give a good shave , but the razor is aso going to cut you at some or thre other place on the cheek and make you bleed. (If this is your own chart, then please think that Guru will give more results of 5th and console yourself) //Also exaltation in Navamsha will it make Saturn neechabhanga. What will it do the 6th and 7th house effects.[in rasi Mars is in 10th house with venus].// This is like Bhishma lying on the bed of thorns .If given a bow and arrow he can still put armies to flight with his prowess. But please give birth details. I really cannot go back to the old mails after this gap of time and then find what we are talking about. //One source I read does not believe in neechabhanga.// There are millions in this world who think alike or unalike. What is it to us ? You think what You want to think. Why fall in this puddle about one source not believeing in neechbhanaga. what is it to us what who thinks ? //Do three planets in debilitation give a good yoga// I really dont know this. Who said this ? Wheres this written ? Nobody asked me this before, and neither did I ask this to anybody before, and neither was this discussed before me, before, so cannot reply this. regards/Bhaskar. , "surajyg" <jyothikasooraj wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji> Thanks for bringing more clarity.> Do the planets aspects on Rahu in navamsha play any role.From the discussion so far, I suppose not.> The planets have not changed bhavas> In the first case Saturn being sixth and seventh lord ,Rahu in 7th house kumbha [?also swakshetra],will Rahu not give more of 7th house results.Guru being 5th and 8th lord,5th house being moolatrikona will guru not give more 5th house results.> Also exaltation in Navamsha will it make Saturn neechabhanga.What will it do the 6th and 7th house effects.[in rasi Mars is in 10th house with venus].> One source I read does not believe in neechabhanga.> This is a different question so may be I should be asking in a different thread.> Do three planets in debilitation give a good yoga> Thanks for your time> Regards> Sooraj> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 Dear Vijay Goyal,You have made following observation:> > [Vijay] NOT AT ALL, D-9 Is NOT based on Nakshatra division. technically it looks same due to 'same value division'.I feel your comment is not fully appropriate. Basically Nakshatra Mandal is permanently located in the Sky.Signs are vizulised along the Ecliptic. In fact , Sidereal signsCommences from initial point of Aswani . Each Nakshatra has 4 pada and belong to Dharma , Artha , Kama and Moksha in this order.It is interesting to note that 1st ,5th and 9th Signs contain 3 dharma pada andtwo each of other pada. This is the reason , this is called Dharma Trikona.Similarly , other three trines are named.Further more , in sign chakra , 9 Nakshatra's are get divided and occupy two signs.Where as in Navamsa and Dreshkana divisions , Nakshatra pada do not get divided.In Shad Bala calculations, the auspiciousness of six Vargas is measured on the scale of 20 , and weightage is given at a ratio of D-1 (6) ,D-9 (5) and D-3 (4) i.e. 15out of 20.The remaining six points are allocated to D-2,D-12 and D-30 charts.If a planet is in same pada of any Nakshatra , they fall in trine to each other in Navamsa chart. This provide great help in timing of the events.No doubt , Navamsa division has many different and independent uses also, but probably its prime importance lies on account of nakshatra padas.Regards,G.K.GOEL Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 Dear Gopal Krishna JI, A very nice piece of information i got from your post really very good one...... Just one question.....what are your thoughts related to Dharma Trikona when Ascedence Degree gets changed.......lets say Ascedence occuoy first house which start with Bharni or second pad of Aswini?? ------------------ Regards, Devisingh gopal krishna goel wrote: Dear Vijay Goyal, You have made following observation: > > [Vijay] NOT AT ALL, D-9 Is NOT based on Nakshatra division. technically it looks same due to 'same value division'. I feel your comment is not fully appropriate. Basically Nakshatra Mandal is permanently located in the Sky.Signs are vizulised along the Ecliptic. In fact , Sidereal signs Commences from initial point of Aswani . Each Nakshatra has 4 pada and belong to Dharma , Artha , Kama and Moksha in this order. It is interesting to note that 1st ,5th and 9th Signs contain 3 dharma pada and two each of other pada. This is the reason , this is called Dharma Trikona. Similarly , other three trines are named. Further more , in sign chakra , 9 Nakshatra's are get divided and occupy two signs. Where as in Navamsa and Dreshkana divisions , Nakshatra pada do not get divided. In Shad Bala calculations, the auspiciousness of six Vargas is measured on the scale of 20 , and weightage is given at a ratio of D-1 (6) ,D-9 (5) and D-3 (4) i.e. 15 out of 20.The remaining six points are allocated to D-2,D-12 and D-30 charts. If a planet is in same pada of any Nakshatra , they fall in trine to each other in Navamsa chart. This provide great help in timing of the events. No doubt , Navamsa division has many different and independent uses also, but probably its prime importance lies on account of nakshatra padas. Regards, G.K.GOEL Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 Respected Goel Sahab, //It is interesting to note that 1st ,5th and 9th Signs contain 3 dharma pada and two each of other pada. This is the reason , this is called Dharma Trikona. Similarly , other three trines are named.// I have posted this theory many time when needed in forums. Actually my statement was made with respect to KP division, In both cases divisions of nakshatra are different. Thankyou, Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote: > > Dear Vijay Goyal, > You have made following observation: > > > > [Vijay] NOT AT ALL, D-9 Is NOT based on Nakshatra division. technically it looks same due to 'same value division'. > > > I feel your comment is not fully appropriate. Basically Nakshatra Mandal is permanently > located in the Sky.Signs are vizulised along the Ecliptic. In fact , Sidereal signs > Commences from initial point of Aswani . Each Nakshatra has 4 pada and belong > to Dharma , Artha , Kama and Moksha in this order. > It is interesting to note that 1st ,5th and 9th Signs contain 3 dharma pada and > two each of other pada. This is the reason , this is called Dharma Trikona. > Similarly , other three trines are named. > Further more , in sign chakra , 9 Nakshatra's are get divided and occupy two signs. > Where as in Navamsa and Dreshkana divisions , Nakshatra pada do not get divided. > In Shad Bala calculations, the auspiciousness of six Vargas is measured on the scale > of 20 , and weightage is given at a ratio of D-1 (6) ,D-9 (5) and D-3 (4) i.e. 15 > out of 20.The remaining six points are allocated to D-2,D-12 and D-30 charts. > > If a planet is in same pada of any Nakshatra , they fall in trine to each other in > Navamsa chart. This provide great help in timing of the events. > No doubt , Navamsa division has many different and independent uses also, but > probably its prime importance lies on account of nakshatra padas. > Regards, > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. > http://windows.microsoft.com/shop > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Dear Vijay Goel JI,Many thanks for your clarification.It is a basic principle , you must have written on it before.Regards.G. K. Goel From: goyalvjDate: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:20:36 +0000 Re: Nodes Respected Goel Sahab, //It is interesting to note that 1st ,5th and 9th Signs contain 3 dharma pada and two each of other pada. This is the reason , this is called Dharma Trikona. Similarly , other three trines are named.// I have posted this theory many time when needed in forums. Actually my statement was made with respect to KP division, In both cases divisions of nakshatra are different. Thankyou, Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote: > > Dear Vijay Goyal, > You have made following observation: > > > > [Vijay] NOT AT ALL, D-9 Is NOT based on Nakshatra division. technically it looks same due to 'same value division'. > > > I feel your comment is not fully appropriate. Basically Nakshatra Mandal is permanently > located in the Sky.Signs are vizulised along the Ecliptic. In fact , Sidereal signs > Commences from initial point of Aswani . Each Nakshatra has 4 pada and belong > to Dharma , Artha , Kama and Moksha in this order. > It is interesting to note that 1st ,5th and 9th Signs contain 3 dharma pada and > two each of other pada. This is the reason , this is called Dharma Trikona. > Similarly , other three trines are named. > Further more , in sign chakra , 9 Nakshatra's are get divided and occupy two signs. > Where as in Navamsa and Dreshkana divisions , Nakshatra pada do not get divided. > In Shad Bala calculations, the auspiciousness of six Vargas is measured on the scale > of 20 , and weightage is given at a ratio of D-1 (6) ,D-9 (5) and D-3 (4) i.e. 15 > out of 20.The remaining six points are allocated to D-2,D-12 and D-30 charts. > > If a planet is in same pada of any Nakshatra , they fall in trine to each other in > Navamsa chart. This provide great help in timing of the events. > No doubt , Navamsa division has many different and independent uses also, but > probably its prime importance lies on account of nakshatra padas. > Regards, > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. > http://windows.microsoft.com/shop > New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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