Benazir Bhutto

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mahaluxmi iyer <astromahaluxmi wrote: Sat, 29 Dec 2007

07:45:13 +0000 (GMT)

mahaluxmi iyer <astromahaluxmi

Re: Benazir Bhutto

,

dear imran

i can understand your agony. my mother who is 80 years old cried out loud when

she saw the news on tv that bibi died. she was a world figure in politics, not

just in pakistan.

her ideals will live as she was fighting to free pakistan of militancy as well

as military rule. take courage as her ideals will soon become reality but

through someone else. maybe her own son, bilawal? as lord krishna says in the

geeta that we discard this physical body as we do an attire. the soul lives on

and on for ages. so will bibi.

 

yet it was not assasination or even a splinter that killed her! it was an

accident!! as she heard the sound of the bomb near her car she was shocked

enough to duck for cover and in the impact hit her head on the sun door of her

car. this is the cause which is being held out by your interior minister.

there has been no bullet injury nor a splinter injury. it was a plain skull

fracture which ultimately killed her. she shd have had a strong advisor who

could have instructed her not to use the sun roof to wave out to people as she

has already addressed them waved to people on her way down the steps from the

dias. but leaders are so led away by crowds and they do such things without any

thought for their own personal safety in a moment of waving and being seen by as

many admirers as possible.

the world shares the grief. a young politician who could have made that

difference to her country certainly with so much experience and struggle behind

her.

may she rest in peace.

mahalakshmi

 

" M. Imran " <astroimran wrote:

Since yesterday evening, I am shocked and gloomed as I heard the news

of Benazir Bhutto's assassination.

 

Yesterday night, I could not write a single word on her chart, instead of

wishing to compose a write-up. Why... I don't know. Then I thought, does it make

any difference, to pen a post-mortem analysis. And justify that how correct I

am. It is often too easy to write something after occurring of any event, too

simple to correlate dasha/gochar with a incident that has happened. But it is

not always. Specially when you admire and like someone and s/he went away too

far.

 

What a tragic year-2007 has proved for Pakistan. The chart of Benazir Bhutto,

Pakistan's varshphala and Musharraf's natal horoscope - all charts are moving in

my mind. But I am unable to write anything on it.

 

M. Imran

Programme Producer

TV One/New One

Airwaves Media Pvt Ltd.

Karachi.

 

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Hello everyone,

 

> Benazir BHUTTO - Female Chart

> Jun 21 1953, 7:32 pm, USZ4 -5:00

> Karachi Pakistan, 24°N52', 067°E03'

> Source: Political Astrology

 

Sy Scholfield also cites Astrological Magazine for 21h00. I rectified

to 21h07m, on the basis of " in mundo " directions systems (primaries

directions, Hieroz-Bonatis' techniques, Bonatis progressions and Yves

Christiaen's rhythmic symbolical directions).

 

It appears difficult to get a correct idea about Benazir Bhutto

birthdata, Personnally, I would believe, upon a sidereal astrology

basis (lahiri, whole house system and seven traditional planets,

vimshottari dasha with 360 days/year - cf. Narada Samhita, as cited

by Chandrashekar Sharma in his book), that the time given by

Scholfield, 21h, is sound. It comes from the Astrological Magazine,

and although we can not say the time is reliable, at least we can

rely on the seriousness of the Raman family. I believe that this time

is good because of the saturnian character of the chart. Bhutto has a

Capricorn Ascendant, with a 21h time frame. Saturn is joined to her

Moon in 9th house. Also, in Bilawal's chart, Saturn aspects his 4th

house, the house of the mother in jyotish.

 

Now, we have Mars in the 6th house. Joined to 8th lord Sun. This may

show the violence of her demise. South node in the 7th house, with

Mercury, lord of 6th house, may be an indication of law suits, and

may be of the legal offence of her husband (allegedly for fraud). The

rising nakshatra may also explain Bhutto's political career choice.

Saturn, as 1st house lord, is located in the 9th house, house of the

father. It is afflicted by Mars in 6th house, which may explain the

fatal destiny of the father (hanged for conspiracy for the

assassination of Ahmed Raza Kasuri) and the daughter (terrorist act).

At the time of her death, Bhutto was under Saturn/Jupiter vimshottari

dasha (360 days/years), Jupiter being lord of the 12th house may

explain the terrorist act.

 

But " in mundo " techniques seem to explain better of fatal destiny.

Even under a sidereal zodiac, knowing that these techniques were

probably developped under a tropical zodiac.

 

So, essentially for her 54th birthday, with a chart rectified to

21h07, under Hiéroz-Bonatis primary directions, we have a direction

between the Midheaven and Sun (180°). Sun is natural significator for

vitality and is 8th lord in this chart. We have Mercury square Sun.

Mercury is 6th house lord, a malefic house. Ascendant is square Sun.

All malefic primary directions. With Bonatis progressions, we find

(with the chart progressed to august 15, 1953, 9h22m29s at Karachi)

the conjunction between Moon and Saturn which repeat the natal

conjunction and which transits itself. Moon rules the 7th house and

becomes maraka. The progressed ascendant is located at 12:12 Virgo,

square to Mars, located in 6th house. Mercury, 6th house lord, is

progressed to the position of the lunar nodes. Symbolical rhythmic

directions (which find its annual progressed position by taking the

difference between the progressed ascendant with its natal position)

show a sextil between Saturn and Moon, and aspect between the 1st and

the 7th lord. So I believe all the needed ingredient are found here

to explain her death.

 

Of course, it is always easy to predict after the events ;-)

 

--

Best regards,

François

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Hello François,

 

Here is a message I sent to a vedic forum.

If the following time is correct then there is an interesting

connection between Bhutto's chart and the chart of Marilyn Monroe.

 

 

 

 

 

>>The general consensus is for a birth date of 21 June 1953.

 

Using this date and a time of 4.30pm TZ 5.0 western sidereal

astrologer J. Eshelman found a good fit with a variety of sidereal

techniques. His ascendant was late Libra 28+ (Fagan B. ayanamsha).

 

A time of 4.30 pm was apparently given to an astrological magazine by

Bhutto some years ago.

 

Whatever the time of birth or the time zone, a late Libra ascendant

fits quite well with the facts of her life.

 

I have listed some points below which favour a Libra ascendant. This

may be useful for researchers since there are many known events in her

life.

 

1. She has spent much time in prison and in exile. 4th Lord Saturn is

in 12H. Mo in 12 th house.

 

2. She was politically active while overseas. Mo and yogakaraka Sa(L5)

form a raj yoga in 12th house. She also studied overseas. 5H is a

house of education and knowledge. 5L Sa is in 12H and is nearly

stationary.

 

3. Her career suffered while overseas. 10th lord Mo in 12th house and

rather weak.

 

4. The 12th house is extremely busy for a Libra ascendant. 2 planets

in the 12H and aspects from another 3 planets and not all benefic.

This is to be expected considering the time in exile and in prison and

what she achieved there.

 

5. She was a strong and courageous person. Ascendant lord Ve aspects

its own sign Libra. Although 3rd lord of courage Ju is weakened in 8th

house, the quality of courage is enhanced by Mars' combustion.

 

6. Is she considered beautiful? Ve aspects its own sign in the ascendant

 

7. Death by enemies---Ju L6 in 8H . Ju is also L3 so death to the

younger brother also.

 

8. Librans often become interested in politics since Saturn, a friend

of Ascendant lord Ve rules the 4H( masses) and 5H of politics and is

exalted in the Ascendant.

 

9. I was reading an article in the newspaper yesterday and I saw this

quote.

 

" But her marriage to Zardari would play a major role in her downfall "

 

For a Libra ascendant 7L Mars is combust and aspects 12H of loss.

Her husband was also imprisoned and has had to endure many difficulties.

Ju the karaka for husband is weakened by 8th House placement and also

aspects 12th house.<<

 

 

 

Ron

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Francois Carriere "

<fc21063 wrote:

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> > Benazir BHUTTO - Female Chart

> > Jun 21 1953, 7:32 pm, USZ4 -5:00

> > Karachi Pakistan, 24°N52', 067°E03'

> > Source: Political Astrology

>

> Sy Scholfield also cites Astrological Magazine for 21h00. I rectified

> to 21h07m, on the basis of " in mundo " directions systems (primaries

> directions, Hieroz-Bonatis' techniques, Bonatis progressions and Yves

> Christiaen's rhythmic symbolical directions).

>

> It appears difficult to get a correct idea about Benazir Bhutto

> birthdata, Personnally, I would believe, upon a sidereal astrology

> basis (lahiri, whole house system and seven traditional planets,

> vimshottari dasha with 360 days/year - cf. Narada Samhita, as cited

> by Chandrashekar Sharma in his book), that the time given by

> Scholfield, 21h, is sound. It comes from the Astrological Magazine,

> and although we can not say the time is reliable, at least we can

> rely on the seriousness of the Raman family. I believe that this time

> is good because of the saturnian character of the chart. Bhutto has a

> Capricorn Ascendant, with a 21h time frame. Saturn is joined to her

> Moon in 9th house. Also, in Bilawal's chart, Saturn aspects his 4th

> house, the house of the mother in jyotish.

>

> Now, we have Mars in the 6th house. Joined to 8th lord Sun. This may

> show the violence of her demise. South node in the 7th house, with

> Mercury, lord of 6th house, may be an indication of law suits, and

> may be of the legal offence of her husband (allegedly for fraud). The

> rising nakshatra may also explain Bhutto's political career choice.

> Saturn, as 1st house lord, is located in the 9th house, house of the

> father. It is afflicted by Mars in 6th house, which may explain the

> fatal destiny of the father (hanged for conspiracy for the

> assassination of Ahmed Raza Kasuri) and the daughter (terrorist act).

> At the time of her death, Bhutto was under Saturn/Jupiter vimshottari

> dasha (360 days/years), Jupiter being lord of the 12th house may

> explain the terrorist act.

>

> But " in mundo " techniques seem to explain better of fatal destiny.

> Even under a sidereal zodiac, knowing that these techniques were

> probably developped under a tropical zodiac.

>

> So, essentially for her 54th birthday, with a chart rectified to

> 21h07, under Hiéroz-Bonatis primary directions, we have a direction

> between the Midheaven and Sun (180°). Sun is natural significator for

> vitality and is 8th lord in this chart. We have Mercury square Sun.

> Mercury is 6th house lord, a malefic house. Ascendant is square Sun.

> All malefic primary directions. With Bonatis progressions, we find

> (with the chart progressed to august 15, 1953, 9h22m29s at Karachi)

> the conjunction between Moon and Saturn which repeat the natal

> conjunction and which transits itself. Moon rules the 7th house and

> becomes maraka. The progressed ascendant is located at 12:12 Virgo,

> square to Mars, located in 6th house. Mercury, 6th house lord, is

> progressed to the position of the lunar nodes. Symbolical rhythmic

> directions (which find its annual progressed position by taking the

> difference between the progressed ascendant with its natal position)

> show a sextil between Saturn and Moon, and aspect between the 1st and

> the 7th lord. So I believe all the needed ingredient are found here

> to explain her death.

>

> Of course, it is always easy to predict after the events ;-)

>

> --

> Best regards,

> François

>