Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 At 05:42 AM 1/13/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: >[Therese wrote] >// (1) highest level: planets in the nakshatras of the ruling planet. >(2) second: results related to the ruling planet in its house >(3) third: planets in the nakshatras of cuspal lord >(4) fourth: planet ruling the house cusp // > >The above is all mixed up, and must be erased from the mind. Bhaskar, that method is being taught here in America. The best way to solve the various methods is to watch what happens during the dasa and bhukti periods, and to watch transits over natal planets. I personally believe that Placidus cusps work very well for timing (horary), but equal house cusps work best for natal work. Krishnamurti made his mark with horary questions. That is why he was successful with Placidus cusps. I have used star lords as you wrote below, but with equal house cusps. The different views are easy to check by studying the effects of planetary periods. Bhaskar wrote: >The rules for prediction are simple. > >1) Take the Placidus Cusp. >2) Take the dasa and antardasa Lords. >3) This Planet is placed in which Cusp and > Lord of which Cusps ? (This becomes the > source for the results) >4) Take the StarLord in which, above planet > is placed. What does the StarLord signify ? > The Cusp where it is placed and the Cusps which > it owns ? ( This would show the results) > >The above to be done for the Mahadasha lord >to gauge what would be the effect of the Mahadasha >predominantly . >The above to be reckoned also for the antardasha >Lord, since this shortens the area for which >prediction is made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Dear Therese, Here in India, we are born with equal House system and get to learn it naturally from the beginning of entry into Astrology studies. When we start learning Placidus House division at later stages,we do not discard the Equal House system, but keep it on Hold and refer to it, time and again when there is any difficulty for the practioner who is into KP system of approach. It works the best with Horary Charts as you rightly said, and if the Birth times are perfectly recorded then it works pretty good too, with the Natal Chart too. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: > > At 05:42 AM 1/13/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: > >[Therese wrote] > >// (1) highest level: planets in the nakshatras of the ruling planet. > >(2) second: results related to the ruling planet in its house > >(3) third: planets in the nakshatras of cuspal lord > >(4) fourth: planet ruling the house cusp // > > > >The above is all mixed up, and must be erased from the mind. > > Bhaskar, that method is being taught here in America. The best way to solve > the various methods is to watch what happens during the dasa and bhukti > periods, and to watch transits over natal planets. I personally believe > that Placidus cusps work very well for timing (horary), but equal house > cusps work best for natal work. Krishnamurti made his mark with horary > questions. That is why he was successful with Placidus cusps. > > I have used star lords as you wrote below, but with equal house cusps. The > different views are easy to check by studying the effects of planetary > periods. > > Bhaskar wrote: > > >The rules for prediction are simple. > > > >1) Take the Placidus Cusp. > >2) Take the dasa and antardasa Lords. > >3) This Planet is placed in which Cusp and > > Lord of which Cusps ? (This becomes the > > source for the results) > >4) Take the StarLord in which, above planet > > is placed. What does the StarLord signify ? > > The Cusp where it is placed and the Cusps which > > it owns ? ( This would show the results) > > > >The above to be done for the Mahadasha lord > >to gauge what would be the effect of the Mahadasha > >predominantly . > >The above to be reckoned also for the antardasha > >Lord, since this shortens the area for which > >prediction is made. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Bhaskar, I hope you stay awhile on this forum, since you can tell us about astrology and astrolgers in India. Jyotish has taken on a mixture of western ideas here in America. I found your post below interesting. Do you happen to know what circumstances closed down THE ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE?? It quit very suddenly in December, and just prior to that Gayatri Devi Vasudev resigned as editor. Is there an author you recommend as giving the best picture of Indian astrology rather than a modern mixture? (I have most of the traditional books in my library, but have little time to study them.) If the Krishnamurti readers are difficult or confusing (I agree!), then where did you learn the K system? Thank you, Therese At 06:17 AM 1/14/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: >Dear Therese, > >Here in India, we are born with equal House >system and get to learn it naturally from the >beginning of entry into Astrology studies. >When we start learning Placidus House division >at later stages,we do not discard the Equal >House system, but keep it on Hold >and refer to it, time and again when there >is any difficulty for the practioner who is into >KP system of approach. >It works the best with Horary Charts as you >rightly said, and if the Birth times are perfectly >recorded then it works pretty good too, with the >Natal Chart too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Dear Therese, I am not aware of the reasons for the closure of the Magazine in question, and neither interested, cause I was not a reader of the same for last 10 years. Of course I do not wish that it closed down. cause Shri BV Raman has been my first Guru, and do have my smypathies to his magazine. My heart certainly goes out if anything goes amiss here, but we cannot contribute more than being casual observers. I learned the KP system from a Guru in person. Luckily I got his name on Net one night when I was just browsing casually. He gave us 5 students personal tuitions on every Saturday for 2 hours which lasted for1 Year. Thats how I learnt KP. After that when we requested him for further lessons, he replied that he does not want to give any spoon feeding to any of his students, and from now onwards we should find our own way, and learn through mistakes, and own experience. Today if I have to meet him or anyone else have to do so, one has to take appointments 1-2 months in advance, and the audience too is just for 10-15 minutes. That man is so smart in his work, that in front if us he rectified with the Ruling Planets at the moment of discussion, with a chalk on the Board, 5 Birth times and gave the perfect Birth time, a feat which none of us students can ever think of replicating. No calculator was used, and no Ephemeris was used. Yes KP Readers are definitely confusing. I do not refer to them at all now. Maybe once in 6 months. The best books and the cheapest moneywise ( I would have paid 10 times the price for the contents) are authored by JN Bhasin, as per my journey in astro books since last 25 Years. They teach the real principles of astrology. I would reccommend them anyday, rather than the famous and much preferred authors. That is total Traditional astrology and not a mix. A person who can digest books by this author would without doubt become a astrologer. For Learning KP, the best books available are authored by Late Chandrakant Bhatt. It would teach KP in 1 hour and like classroom method taught in schools. Unfortunately I got this book too late in Life, and had already spent 10 years trying to understand the Readers. But by no means should it be implied that these books are without academic value. These are the Bibles of KP. best wishes, Bhaskar , Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: > > Bhaskar, I hope you stay awhile on this forum, since you can tell us about > astrology and astrolgers in India. Jyotish has taken on a mixture of > western ideas here in America. I found your post below interesting. > > Do you happen to know what circumstances closed down THE ASTROLOGICAL > MAGAZINE?? It quit very suddenly in December, and just prior to that > Gayatri Devi Vasudev resigned as editor. > > Is there an author you recommend as giving the best picture of Indian > astrology rather than a modern mixture? (I have most of the traditional > books in my library, but have little time to study them.) > > If the Krishnamurti readers are difficult or confusing (I agree!), then > where did you learn the K system? > > Thank you, > Therese > > At 06:17 AM 1/14/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: > >Dear Therese, > > > >Here in India, we are born with equal House > >system and get to learn it naturally from the > >beginning of entry into Astrology studies. > >When we start learning Placidus House division > >at later stages,we do not discard the Equal > >House system, but keep it on Hold > >and refer to it, time and again when there > >is any difficulty for the practioner who is into > >KP system of approach. > >It works the best with Horary Charts as you > >rightly said, and if the Birth times are perfectly > >recorded then it works pretty good too, with the > >Natal Chart too. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 At 07:03 PM 1/15/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: > >I learned the KP system from a Guru in person...That man is so smart in his >work, that in front if us he rectified with the Ruling >Planets at the moment of discussion, with a >chalk on the Board, 5 Birth times and gave the perfect >Birth time, a feat which none of us students can ever >think of replicating. No calculator was used, and >no Ephemeris was used. Totally amazing! A real astrologer. >The best books and the cheapest moneywise >( I would have paid 10 times the price for the >contents) >are authored by JN Bhasin, as per my journey in >astro books since last 25 Years. They teach the >real principles of astrology. I would reccommend >them anyday, rather than the famous and much >preferred authors. That is total Traditional >astrology and not a mix. I would like to see the more traditional Jyotish taught in the west. It is becoming a grand mixture of western and traditional Indian astrology. I checked my bookshelf. I do have nine (9!!) of Bhasin's books. The reason I have so many is that on trips to India (no longer affordable), I bought many astrology books, mostly in Bangalore, because they were so inexpensive. I will have to spend some time with Bhasin's books. Most of Bhasin's books are sold at astroamerica.com >For Learning KP, the best books available are >authored by Late Chandrakant Bhatt... This is one author who isn't listed at astroamerica.com, so his books have not made it to the west. > It would >teach KP in 1 hour and like classroom method >taught in schools. Unfortunately I got this book >too late in Life, and had already spent >10 years trying to understand the Readers. An impossible task because they really are so poorly written! I read somewhere that after Krishnamurti's death his children wrote the books he didn't finish. Sincerely, Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Another good part of this Guru,that at times when I took my contacts as clients to meet him, and whenever we paid the Fees as per our wish ( One does not ask to such people how much fees), and whenever he observed the Fees as more, as per his scales of judgement, he used to pay it back . At times when I insisted, he called me back with stern tone and paid me the money back affectionately. Such humble souls one meets rarely. But our Loss is that the continuity of the Guru Shishya relationship does not remain any more,since we cannot meet him as often we wish to. Averagely now i get to meet him once in 3 months for few minutes, because he already has many people sorrounding him waiting for their turn.... I had purchased Bhasin long back. And I confess I underestimated this writer because his books were cheap. One night when I wanted a book to read before going to sleep, as is my usual habit, I picked one authored by him. And then i realised what I had missed all these years. You must take out all his books and drink in the nectar. I am sure you would understand what is Kp and the way to predict through Kp, within 1 hour, by book written by Chandrakant Bhatt, named as " Nakshatra Chintamani " . You already have good knowledge, so you would understand easily. Please remind me next week. I will search the link from where you can get this book. Actually I too had to take a Photostat copy from one of my friends. He gifted it to me without taking the cost. okay. sorry for the long mail. regards,. Bhaskar. , Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: > > At 07:03 PM 1/15/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: > > > >I learned the KP system from a Guru in person...That man is so smart in his > >work, that in front if us he rectified with the Ruling > >Planets at the moment of discussion, with a > >chalk on the Board, 5 Birth times and gave the perfect > >Birth time, a feat which none of us students can ever > >think of replicating. No calculator was used, and > >no Ephemeris was used. > > Totally amazing! A real astrologer. > > >The best books and the cheapest moneywise > >( I would have paid 10 times the price for the > >contents) > >are authored by JN Bhasin, as per my journey in > >astro books since last 25 Years. They teach the > >real principles of astrology. I would reccommend > >them anyday, rather than the famous and much > >preferred authors. That is total Traditional > >astrology and not a mix. > > I would like to see the more traditional Jyotish taught in the west. It is > becoming a grand mixture of western and traditional Indian astrology. I > checked my bookshelf. I do have nine (9!!) of Bhasin's books. The reason I > have so many is that on trips to India (no longer affordable), I bought > many astrology books, mostly in Bangalore, because they were so > inexpensive. I will have to spend some time with Bhasin's books. Most of > Bhasin's books are sold at astroamerica.com > > >For Learning KP, the best books available are > >authored by Late Chandrakant Bhatt... > > This is one author who isn't listed at astroamerica.com, so his books have > not made it to the west. > > > It would > >teach KP in 1 hour and like classroom method > >taught in schools. Unfortunately I got this book > >too late in Life, and had already spent > >10 years trying to understand the Readers. > > An impossible task because they really are so poorly written! I read > somewhere that after Krishnamurti's death his children wrote the books he > didn't finish. > > Sincerely, > Therese > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 At 06:54 AM 1/17/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: >Another good part of this Guru,that at times >when I took my contacts as clients to meet >him, and whenever we paid the Fees as per our >wish ( One does not ask to such people how >much fees), and whenever he observed the Fees >as more, as per his scales of judgement, he >used to pay it back... Butour Loss is that the continuity of the >Guru Shishya relationship does not remain >any more... Yes, such an astrologer-client relationship is very rare. The cost of astrological readings here in America is outrageous because astrologers are trying to make a living with astrology, and charge what psychologists charge. And astrologers don't have the gift of prediction. I cannot mix money and astrology, so I study, research and write. >I had purchased Bhasin long back. And I confess I underestimated this writer... I have taken all his books out of the bookcase, and will begin reading them. I don't believe I ever studied them, as I brought so many books from India and put them on the shelf. Life is very busy! >I am sure you would understand what is Kp and >the way to predict through Kp, within 1 hour, >by book written by Chandrakant Bhatt, named >as " Nakshatra Chintamani " . You already >have good knowledge, so you would understand >easily. I would like to give you some important planetary periods in my life and see if you can predict the events (already past). I am interested to see how well the method works. I think I understand the method, although for natal work I use equal cusps. I do not practice horary astrology, so don't use Placidus cusps. >Please remind me next week. I will search the link from where you can get this book. Thank you! I would appreciate that, but if the book cannot be found, I think I can work out the method. I have printed out your posts on this topic. I remember in the past I used the star lords as you described. I don't know why I stopped...? Perhaps because some 'authority' began teaching the Krishnamurti method another way. It's late--alamost midnight, so tomorrow I'll find some important dates if you are willing to take a look at one or two planetary periods. Francois would be interested in more examples. Sincerely, Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Please be kind enough to give the birth details, so that I can proceed. Though my attempt cannot be the base for judgement of KP, but no harm in trying. rgrds, Bhaskar. , Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: > > At 06:54 AM 1/17/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: > > >Another good part of this Guru,that at times > >when I took my contacts as clients to meet > >him, and whenever we paid the Fees as per our > >wish ( One does not ask to such people how > >much fees), and whenever he observed the Fees > >as more, as per his scales of judgement, he > >used to pay it back... Butour Loss is that the continuity of the > >Guru Shishya relationship does not remain > >any more... > > Yes, such an astrologer-client relationship is very rare. The cost of > astrological readings here in America is outrageous because astrologers are > trying to make a living with astrology, and charge what psychologists > charge. And astrologers don't have the gift of prediction. I cannot mix > money and astrology, so I study, research and write. > > >I had purchased Bhasin long back. And I confess I underestimated this > writer... > > I have taken all his books out of the bookcase, and will begin reading > them. I don't believe I ever studied them, as I brought so many books from > India and put them on the shelf. Life is very busy! > > >I am sure you would understand what is Kp and > >the way to predict through Kp, within 1 hour, > >by book written by Chandrakant Bhatt, named > >as " Nakshatra Chintamani " . You already > >have good knowledge, so you would understand > >easily. > > I would like to give you some important planetary periods in my life and > see if you can predict the events (already past). I am interested to see > how well the method works. I think I understand the method, although for > natal work I use equal cusps. I do not practice horary astrology, so don't > use Placidus cusps. > > >Please remind me next week. I will search the link from where you can get > this book. > > Thank you! I would appreciate that, but if the book cannot be found, I > think I can work out the method. I have printed out your posts on this > topic. I remember in the past I used the star lords as you described. I > don't know why I stopped...? Perhaps because some 'authority' began > teaching the Krishnamurti method another way. > > It's late--alamost midnight, so tomorrow I'll find some important dates if > you are willing to take a look at one or two planetary periods. Francois > would be interested in more examples. > > Sincerely, > Therese > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 At 08:00 AM 1/17/08 -0000, you wrote: >Please be kind enough to give the birth details, >so that I can proceed. Though my attempt cannot >be the base for judgement of KP, but no harm in >trying. Hello Bhaskar, I have sent you my birth details via private e-mail. My natal ascendant is 4 Sagittarius, Lahiri or Krishnamurti. With the K ayanamsa my Jupiter-Sun period began February 2, 1964 and ended November 21, 1964. (Calculations by Parshara's Light 2000) This period was very significant for three reasons (three different events). I'm interested to see if the K nakshatra method can suggest these events. If Placidus cusps are used, the planets fall in different houses than those I listed below. For anyone who is following this discussion: Jupiter is in 5th sign, Aries, Bharani, Venus nakshatra; Venus is in Virgo in 10th Equal House. Venus rules 6 and 11. Jupiter rules 1 and 4. Sun is in Libra, 11th sign, Swati, Rahu nakshatra. Rahu is in Virgo, 10th sign. Sun is lord of 9th. Bhaskar, I realized one reason I may have changed the way I was using the K method. Say if someone has a stellium of four planets in Leo, Venus nakshatra. Then during all those periods one must look to Venus for results. The method being taught sometimes here would mean that the planets in each planet's nakshatra would describe events: Moon in Leo--planets in Moon's nakshatras Venus in Leo--planets in Venus' nakshatras Jupiter in Leo--planets in Jupiter's nakshatras etc. etc. Of course, each planet would have rulership over different houses. I am posting this for anyone who is trying to follow the discussion in order to show the different methods. However, Bhaskar has said that the above listing is incorrect and is not the way his Guru taught him. These different views have come about because of the confusing way the Krishnamurti Readers are written. Thank you, Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 To explain this better. I am giving an example . Suppose there are 2 Planets placed in Leo. There are 3 divisions in Leo having 3 Nakshatras ruled by 3 Planets as under- Any planet placed in- 0 degrees to 13.20 degrees of Leo falls in area of Magha nakshatra ruled by Ketu (Dragons Tail) 13.20 degrees to 26.40 degrees of Leo falls in area of P.Phalguni nakshatra ruled by Venus. 26.40 degrees to 30.00 degrees of Leo falls in area of U. Phalguni nakshatra ruled by The Sun. Now suppose Mars is placed in Leo 15.50 degrees. Then what would be the results of Mars ? Mars would first represent the Cusp where it is placed. Next it would represent the houses it owns. These 3 figures of houses noted would show the source through which mars gives its results. But what results would Mars give ? It would represent the Nakshatra Lord . In this case Venus as per above category. Note down the Cusp where Venus is placed. Note down the Houses which Venus owns. These 3 figures would give you the complete picture of how Mars is going to effect and what effects it would produce. We will take a Live example - Ascendant Leo. Mars in Leo 15.50 degrees. Jupiter in Leo 28.10 degrees. Venus placed in Aries. Sun placed in Gemini. Now what results would Mars give ? First note down which house Mars is placed and owner of which houses. Mars in 1st House Owner of 4th and 9th. Mars in which nakshatra. Check the nakshatra categories given at extreme top above. Mars in nakshatra of P.Phalguni ruled by Venus. Note down the placement and houses ruled by Venus. Venus in 9th and owns 10th and 3rd. Now note all the figures in one Line Mars - 1,4,9 Venus - 9, 10 3. Do the same excersise for Jupiter You would get these figures. Jupiter - 1,5,8 Sun - 11, 1 These figures are enough for one to predict. But more later- If one has understood the above, then he has understood the KP system. I do not think it would take more than half an hour to understand the above, for those who have the Nakshatra divisons and the owners listed on a piece of paper. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: > > At 08:00 AM 1/17/08 -0000, you wrote: > >Please be kind enough to give the birth details, > >so that I can proceed. Though my attempt cannot > >be the base for judgement of KP, but no harm in > >trying. > > Hello Bhaskar, > > I have sent you my birth details via private e-mail. My natal ascendant is > 4 Sagittarius, Lahiri or Krishnamurti. > > With the K ayanamsa my Jupiter-Sun period began February 2, 1964 and ended > November 21, 1964. (Calculations by Parshara's Light 2000) This period was > very significant for three reasons (three different events). I'm interested > to see if the K nakshatra method can suggest these events. If Placidus > cusps are used, the planets fall in different houses than those I listed > below. > > For anyone who is following this discussion: > > Jupiter is in 5th sign, Aries, Bharani, Venus nakshatra; Venus is in Virgo > in 10th Equal House. Venus rules 6 and 11. Jupiter rules 1 and 4. > > Sun is in Libra, 11th sign, Swati, Rahu nakshatra. Rahu is in Virgo, 10th > sign. Sun is lord of 9th. > > Bhaskar, I realized one reason I may have changed the way I was using the K > method. Say if someone has a stellium of four planets in Leo, Venus > nakshatra. Then during all those periods one must look to Venus for > results. The method being taught sometimes here would mean that the planets > in each planet's nakshatra would describe events: > > Moon in Leo--planets in Moon's nakshatras > Venus in Leo--planets in Venus' nakshatras > Jupiter in Leo--planets in Jupiter's nakshatras > etc. etc. Of course, each planet would have rulership over different houses. > > I am posting this for anyone who is trying to follow the discussion in > order to show the different methods. However, Bhaskar has said that the > above listing is incorrect and is not the way his Guru taught him. These > different views have come about because of the confusing way the > Krishnamurti Readers are written. > > Thank you, > Therese > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Dear Therese. In the period you mentioned- Jupiter - Sun. 1) marriage ? 2) Health problem to father ? 3) Breakthrough in Profession or some recognition? remember failures are mines, and not to be connected to the approach of KP. Positives are to be attributed to the KP approach. regards, bhaskar. , Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: > > At 08:00 AM 1/17/08 -0000, you wrote: > >Please be kind enough to give the birth details, > >so that I can proceed. Though my attempt cannot > >be the base for judgement of KP, but no harm in > >trying. > > Hello Bhaskar, > > I have sent you my birth details via private e-mail. My natal ascendant is > 4 Sagittarius, Lahiri or Krishnamurti. > > With the K ayanamsa my Jupiter-Sun period began February 2, 1964 and ended > November 21, 1964. (Calculations by Parshara's Light 2000) This period was > very significant for three reasons (three different events). I'm interested > to see if the K nakshatra method can suggest these events. If Placidus > cusps are used, the planets fall in different houses than those I listed > below. > > For anyone who is following this discussion: > > Jupiter is in 5th sign, Aries, Bharani, Venus nakshatra; Venus is in Virgo > in 10th Equal House. Venus rules 6 and 11. Jupiter rules 1 and 4. > > Sun is in Libra, 11th sign, Swati, Rahu nakshatra. Rahu is in Virgo, 10th > sign. Sun is lord of 9th. > > Bhaskar, I realized one reason I may have changed the way I was using the K > method. Say if someone has a stellium of four planets in Leo, Venus > nakshatra. Then during all those periods one must look to Venus for > results. The method being taught sometimes here would mean that the planets > in each planet's nakshatra would describe events: > > Moon in Leo--planets in Moon's nakshatras > Venus in Leo--planets in Venus' nakshatras > Jupiter in Leo--planets in Jupiter's nakshatras > etc. etc. Of course, each planet would have rulership over different houses. > > I am posting this for anyone who is trying to follow the discussion in > order to show the different methods. However, Bhaskar has said that the > above listing is incorrect and is not the way his Guru taught him. These > different views have come about because of the confusing way the > Krishnamurti Readers are written. > > Thank you, > Therese > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Pl. let me know which of these are correct, so that I can write the predictive module through which I could predict the same. regards, Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Therese. > > In the period you mentioned- > Jupiter - Sun. > 1) marriage ? > 2) Health problem to father ? > 3) Breakthrough in Profession > or some recognition? > > remember failures are mines, and not > to be connected to the approach of KP. > Positives are to be attributed to the > KP approach. > > regards, > bhaskar. > > , Therese Hamilton > <eastwest@> wrote: > > > > At 08:00 AM 1/17/08 -0000, you wrote: > > >Please be kind enough to give the birth details, > > >so that I can proceed. Though my attempt cannot > > >be the base for judgement of KP, but no harm in > > >trying. > > > > Hello Bhaskar, > > > > I have sent you my birth details via private e-mail. My natal > ascendant is > > 4 Sagittarius, Lahiri or Krishnamurti. > > > > With the K ayanamsa my Jupiter-Sun period began February 2, 1964 > and ended > > November 21, 1964. (Calculations by Parshara's Light 2000) This > period was > > very significant for three reasons (three different events). I'm > interested > > to see if the K nakshatra method can suggest these events. If > Placidus > > cusps are used, the planets fall in different houses than those I > listed > > below. > > > > For anyone who is following this discussion: > > > > Jupiter is in 5th sign, Aries, Bharani, Venus nakshatra; Venus is > in Virgo > > in 10th Equal House. Venus rules 6 and 11. Jupiter rules 1 and 4. > > > > Sun is in Libra, 11th sign, Swati, Rahu nakshatra. Rahu is in > Virgo, 10th > > sign. Sun is lord of 9th. > > > > Bhaskar, I realized one reason I may have changed the way I was > using the K > > method. Say if someone has a stellium of four planets in Leo, Venus > > nakshatra. Then during all those periods one must look to Venus for > > results. The method being taught sometimes here would mean that > the planets > > in each planet's nakshatra would describe events: > > > > Moon in Leo--planets in Moon's nakshatras > > Venus in Leo--planets in Venus' nakshatras > > Jupiter in Leo--planets in Jupiter's nakshatras > > etc. etc. Of course, each planet would have rulership over > different houses. > > > > I am posting this for anyone who is trying to follow the > discussion in > > order to show the different methods. However, Bhaskar has said > that the > > above listing is incorrect and is not the way his Guru taught him. > These > > different views have come about because of the confusing way the > > Krishnamurti Readers are written. > > > > Thank you, > > Therese > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 At 05:35 PM 1/18/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: >Dear Therese. > >In the period you mentioned- >Jupiter - Sun. >1) marriage ? >2) Health problem to father ? >3) Breakthrough in Profession >or some recognition? -- Hello Bhaskar, You are correct two out of three times. I was married on October 3, 1964. I had obtained my first college degree in January (in Venus sub-period, Venus in 10th), and had my first professional teaching job earning a good salary during the Sun's sub-period. All during Venus bhukti I was studying art, and then was teaching art in the Sun's period. I don't remember any health issue with my father, but I was not living with my parents during the Sun's sub-period. I had not lived with my parents since beginning college a few years earlier. Do you want to take another guess at the third event, or should I tell you? I can easily see career success, but I'm interested in how you saw marrige since the 7th house was not involved. Of course karaka Venus is indicated due to Jupiter being in Venus nakshatra. I would like to know the process you used for illness to father, even though that was not one of the events. What does not work is just as important as what *does* work. Thanks, Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Dear Therese, Thanks for the positive feedback as I am not a authority on Kp, and a most ordinary student of KP, but since it has always benefitted me, I like to share the advantage with my fellow men and women. Now one point I would like to also state, thet these predictions did not take mo more than 5 minutes to make. Like you said marriage is a difficult matter to predict , especially when Nodes are involved and unless one knows how to read the Nodes, it would be difficult. I would try to put my study on this chart with regards to these predictions in a day or two. By the way,You would be glad to know that I am a member of Yogoda since 10 years or so, but not taken initiation of Kriya Yoga, as i do not fall worthy on scales of judgement for this, as per my own self assessment. kind regards, Bhaskar. , Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote: > > At 05:35 PM 1/18/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: > >Dear Therese. > > > >In the period you mentioned- > >Jupiter - Sun. > >1) marriage ? > >2) Health problem to father ? > >3) Breakthrough in Profession > >or some recognition? > -- > > Hello Bhaskar, > > You are correct two out of three times. I was married on October 3, 1964. > I had obtained my first college degree in January (in Venus sub- period, > Venus in 10th), and had my first professional teaching job earning a good > salary during the Sun's sub-period. All during Venus bhukti I was studying > art, and then was teaching art in the Sun's period. > > I don't remember any health issue with my father, but I was not living with > my parents during the Sun's sub-period. I had not lived with my parents > since beginning college a few years earlier. > > Do you want to take another guess at the third event, or should I tell you? > I can easily see career success, but I'm interested in how you saw marrige > since the 7th house was not involved. Of course karaka Venus is indicated > due to Jupiter being in Venus nakshatra. > > I would like to know the process you used for illness to father, even > though that was not one of the events. What does not work is just as > important as what *does* work. > > Thanks, > Therese > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Dear Bhaskar, Thank you for sharing your version of the KP approach with us. I have briefly studied KP in the past but found its rules too confusing, and often impossible to logically reconcile. As Therese has said, this may be partially due to language issues and the writing quality of some of the books. This is one reason why KP remains marginal in the West compared with standard Parasharan astrology. I wonder if you may clarify something you said earlier: >1) Take the Placidus Cusp. >2) Take the dasa and antardasa Lords. >3) This Planet is placed in which Cusp and > Lord of which Cusps ? (This becomes the > source for the results) >4) Take the StarLord in which, above planet > is placed. What does the StarLord signify ? > The Cusp where it is placed and the Cusps which > it owns ? ( This would show the results) > >The above to be done for the Mahadasha lord >to gauge what would be the effect of the Mahadasha >predominantly . >The above to be reckoned also for the antardasha >Lord, since this shortens the area for which >prediction is made. When you mention house cusps in point #3, do you mean houses? From what you have since explained the answer would seem to be " yes " but I'm not completely sure. Thanks, Chris On Jan 19, 2008 2:28 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Therese, > > Thanks for the positive feedback > as I am not a authority on Kp, > and a most ordinary student of KP, > but since it has always benefitted me, > I like to share the advantage with > my fellow men and women. > > Now one point I would like to > also state, thet these predictions did > not take mo more than 5 minutes to > make. Like you said marriage is a > difficult matter to predict , > especially when Nodes are involved > and unless one knows how to read the > Nodes, it would be difficult. > > I would try to put my study on this > chart with regards to these predictions > in a day or two. > > By the way,You would be glad to know > that I am a member of Yogoda since > 10 years or so, but not taken initiation > of Kriya Yoga, as i do not fall worthy > on scales of judgement for this, as per > my own self assessment. > > kind regards, > Bhaskar. > > , Therese Hamilton > > > <eastwest wrote: > > > > At 05:35 PM 1/18/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: > > >Dear Therese. > > > > > >In the period you mentioned- > > >Jupiter - Sun. > > >1) marriage ? > > >2) Health problem to father ? > > >3) Breakthrough in Profession > > >or some recognition? > > -- > > > > Hello Bhaskar, > > > > You are correct two out of three times. I was married on October > 3, 1964. > > I had obtained my first college degree in January (in Venus sub- > period, > > Venus in 10th), and had my first professional teaching job earning > a good > > salary during the Sun's sub-period. All during Venus bhukti I was > studying > > art, and then was teaching art in the Sun's period. > > > > I don't remember any health issue with my father, but I was not > living with > > my parents during the Sun's sub-period. I had not lived with my > parents > > since beginning college a few years earlier. > > > > Do you want to take another guess at the third event, or should I > tell you? > > I can easily see career success, but I'm interested in how you saw > marrige > > since the 7th house was not involved. Of course karaka Venus is > indicated > > due to Jupiter being in Venus nakshatra. > > > > I would like to know the process you used for illness to father, > even > > though that was not one of the events. What does not work is just > as > > important as what *does* work. > > > > Thanks, > > Therese > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Dear Chris, Yes when I say Cusp, I mean House only, but with a difference. Here its the Placidus Cusp, each Cusp having certain area of length and not necessarily 30 degrees apart, but may be more or less. regards, Bhaskar. , " Chris K " <mercury11043 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > Thank you for sharing your version of the KP approach with us. I have > briefly studied KP in the past but found its rules too confusing, and > often impossible to logically reconcile. As Therese has said, this > may be partially due to language issues and the writing quality of > some of the books. This is one reason why KP remains marginal in the > West compared with standard Parasharan astrology. > > I wonder if you may clarify something you said earlier: > > >1) Take the Placidus Cusp. > >2) Take the dasa and antardasa Lords. > >3) This Planet is placed in which Cusp and > > Lord of which Cusps ? (This becomes the > > source for the results) > >4) Take the StarLord in which, above planet > > is placed. What does the StarLord signify ? > > The Cusp where it is placed and the Cusps which > > it owns ? ( This would show the results) > > > >The above to be done for the Mahadasha lord > >to gauge what would be the effect of the Mahadasha > >predominantly . > >The above to be reckoned also for the antardasha > >Lord, since this shortens the area for which > >prediction is made. > > > When you mention house cusps in point #3, do you mean houses? From > what you have since explained the answer would seem to be " yes " but > I'm not completely sure. > > Thanks, > Chris > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 2:28 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Therese, > > > > Thanks for the positive feedback > > as I am not a authority on Kp, > > and a most ordinary student of KP, > > but since it has always benefitted me, > > I like to share the advantage with > > my fellow men and women. > > > > Now one point I would like to > > also state, thet these predictions did > > not take mo more than 5 minutes to > > make. Like you said marriage is a > > difficult matter to predict , > > especially when Nodes are involved > > and unless one knows how to read the > > Nodes, it would be difficult. > > > > I would try to put my study on this > > chart with regards to these predictions > > in a day or two. > > > > By the way,You would be glad to know > > that I am a member of Yogoda since > > 10 years or so, but not taken initiation > > of Kriya Yoga, as i do not fall worthy > > on scales of judgement for this, as per > > my own self assessment. > > > > kind regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , Therese Hamilton > > > > > > <eastwest@> wrote: > > > > > > At 05:35 PM 1/18/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: > > > >Dear Therese. > > > > > > > >In the period you mentioned- > > > >Jupiter - Sun. > > > >1) marriage ? > > > >2) Health problem to father ? > > > >3) Breakthrough in Profession > > > >or some recognition? > > > -- > > > > > > Hello Bhaskar, > > > > > > You are correct two out of three times. I was married on October > > 3, 1964. > > > I had obtained my first college degree in January (in Venus sub- > > period, > > > Venus in 10th), and had my first professional teaching job earning > > a good > > > salary during the Sun's sub-period. All during Venus bhukti I was > > studying > > > art, and then was teaching art in the Sun's period. > > > > > > I don't remember any health issue with my father, but I was not > > living with > > > my parents during the Sun's sub-period. I had not lived with my > > parents > > > since beginning college a few years earlier. > > > > > > Do you want to take another guess at the third event, or should I > > tell you? > > > I can easily see career success, but I'm interested in how you saw > > marrige > > > since the 7th house was not involved. Of course karaka Venus is > > indicated > > > due to Jupiter being in Venus nakshatra. > > > > > > I would like to know the process you used for illness to father, > > even > > > though that was not one of the events. What does not work is just > > as > > > important as what *does* work. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Therese > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Thanks Bhaskar. It was doubly confusing for me because so many KP practitioners use cuspal lords and subs. If I may ask your advice on another example. How would make sense of President Bush's chart and his election wins in 2000 and 2004? I feel that group members would get a better understanding of KP through actual cases. From my limited understanding of KP, Bush (July 6 1946 7.26 am EDT New Haven, CT 41n18 72w55) was declared the winner Dec 12, 2000 just five days after his Saturn-Rahu period began. Saturn is in 12th placidus house and rules placidus cusps 6, 7,8. It occupies nakshatra ruled by itself which reinforces the 12th house theme. Rahu is in the 11th house with Uranus and although it does not rule any houses, its dispositor is Venus which is in the 1st house. Rahu is placed in a nakshatra ruled by Mars, which is in the second house. Therefore, we can write it this way: Saturn 12, 7,8,9 Saturn 12 Rahu 11 Venus 1 Mars 2 As with most astrology, the problem lies in interpretation of a wide variety and often conflicting factors. How to make sense of Saturn here? With most dasha interpretation, I have found that the antardasha (or subperiod) usually dictates outcomes more directly than the dasha which seems to operate more in the background. Rahu's house assocations are mostly positive here (11, 1,2) so that broadly fits with a victory although I'm not sure if this conforms with your methodology. I look forward to your interpretation. Chris On Jan 19, 2008 11:49 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Chris, > > Yes when I say Cusp, I mean House only, but > with a difference. Here its the Placidus Cusp, > each Cusp having certain area of length and not > necessarily 30 degrees apart, but may be more > or less. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > , " Chris K " > > > <mercury11043 wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > Thank you for sharing your version of the KP approach with us. I > have > > briefly studied KP in the past but found its rules too confusing, > and > > often impossible to logically reconcile. As Therese has said, this > > may be partially due to language issues and the writing quality of > > some of the books. This is one reason why KP remains marginal in > the > > West compared with standard Parasharan astrology. > > > > I wonder if you may clarify something you said earlier: > > > > >1) Take the Placidus Cusp. > > >2) Take the dasa and antardasa Lords. > > >3) This Planet is placed in which Cusp and > > > Lord of which Cusps ? (This becomes the > > > source for the results) > > >4) Take the StarLord in which, above planet > > > is placed. What does the StarLord signify ? > > > The Cusp where it is placed and the Cusps which > > > it owns ? ( This would show the results) > > > > > >The above to be done for the Mahadasha lord > > >to gauge what would be the effect of the Mahadasha > > >predominantly . > > >The above to be reckoned also for the antardasha > > >Lord, since this shortens the area for which > > >prediction is made. > > > > > > When you mention house cusps in point #3, do you mean houses? > From > > what you have since explained the answer would seem to be " yes " but > > I'm not completely sure. > > > > Thanks, > > Chris > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 2:28 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Therese, > > > > > > Thanks for the positive feedback > > > as I am not a authority on Kp, > > > and a most ordinary student of KP, > > > but since it has always benefitted me, > > > I like to share the advantage with > > > my fellow men and women. > > > > > > Now one point I would like to > > > also state, thet these predictions did > > > not take mo more than 5 minutes to > > > make. Like you said marriage is a > > > difficult matter to predict , > > > especially when Nodes are involved > > > and unless one knows how to read the > > > Nodes, it would be difficult. > > > > > > I would try to put my study on this > > > chart with regards to these predictions > > > in a day or two. > > > > > > By the way,You would be glad to know > > > that I am a member of Yogoda since > > > 10 years or so, but not taken initiation > > > of Kriya Yoga, as i do not fall worthy > > > on scales of judgement for this, as per > > > my own self assessment. > > > > > > kind regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , Therese Hamilton > > > > > > > > > <eastwest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > At 05:35 PM 1/18/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: > > > > >Dear Therese. > > > > > > > > > >In the period you mentioned- > > > > >Jupiter - Sun. > > > > >1) marriage ? > > > > >2) Health problem to father ? > > > > >3) Breakthrough in Profession > > > > >or some recognition? > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Hello Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > You are correct two out of three times. I was married on > October > > > 3, 1964. > > > > I had obtained my first college degree in January (in Venus > sub- > > > period, > > > > Venus in 10th), and had my first professional teaching job > earning > > > a good > > > > salary during the Sun's sub-period. All during Venus bhukti I > was > > > studying > > > > art, and then was teaching art in the Sun's period. > > > > > > > > I don't remember any health issue with my father, but I was > not > > > living with > > > > my parents during the Sun's sub-period. I had not lived with > my > > > parents > > > > since beginning college a few years earlier. > > > > > > > > Do you want to take another guess at the third event, or > should I > > > tell you? > > > > I can easily see career success, but I'm interested in how > you saw > > > marrige > > > > since the 7th house was not involved. Of course karaka Venus > is > > > indicated > > > > due to Jupiter being in Venus nakshatra. > > > > > > > > I would like to know the process you used for illness to > father, > > > even > > > > though that was not one of the events. What does not work is > just > > > as > > > > important as what *does* work. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Therese > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Dear Chris, The Figures for Saturn are 12,7,8 Saturn in own nakshatra . So again. 12, 7,8 Rahu in 11th house Rahu in nakshatra of Mars. 1,5,10 Rahu in sign of Venus 1,4,11 Venus in Nakshatra of Mercury 12,3,12. I cannot honestly see any victory in above figures, except the 10th house in above figures for Political activity, and the Planet Rahu signifying masses, there is nothing else to suggest Winning. because winning must neccesitate the 6th house essentially, which does not come up in abve figures. This is the reason why I do not work on charts of Prminent personalities, and am skeptical ont these, because there is no way of ascertaining their birth times as right or wrong. Though this is mentioned on Astrodata Bank, but how to authenticate it ? I am coming up on more authentic data given by Therese on her own chart. We will see how Rahu produces marriage for her ? You aer absolutely right about the antardasha or subperiods. The mahadasha or the main periods give a glimpse on what the Native can expect on a Longer span of period, in a nutshell. But what intermittent periods would give, may worsen the effects of the Mahadasha , or make them better, or show entirely seperate results. Of course these periods would be smaller in span of time. regards, Bhaskar. , " Chris K " <mercury11043 wrote: > > Thanks Bhaskar. > > It was doubly confusing for me because so many KP practitioners use > cuspal lords and subs. > > If I may ask your advice on another example. How would make sense of > President Bush's chart and his election wins in 2000 and 2004? I feel > that group members would get a better understanding of KP through > actual cases. > > From my limited understanding of KP, Bush (July 6 1946 7.26 am EDT New > Haven, CT 41n18 72w55) was declared the winner Dec 12, 2000 just five > days after his Saturn-Rahu period began. > > Saturn is in 12th placidus house and rules placidus cusps 6, 7,8. It > occupies nakshatra ruled by itself which reinforces the 12th house > theme. Rahu is in the 11th house with Uranus and although it does > not rule any houses, its dispositor is Venus which is in the 1st > house. Rahu is placed in a nakshatra ruled by Mars, which is in the > second house. > > Therefore, we can write it this way: > > Saturn 12, 7,8,9 Saturn 12 > > Rahu 11 Venus 1 Mars 2 > > As with most astrology, the problem lies in interpretation of a wide > variety and often conflicting factors. How to make sense of Saturn > here? With most dasha interpretation, I have found that the > antardasha (or subperiod) usually dictates outcomes more directly than > the dasha which seems to operate more in the background. Rahu's house > assocations are mostly positive here (11, 1,2) so that broadly fits > with a victory although I'm not sure if this conforms with your > methodology. I look forward to your interpretation. > > Chris > > > On Jan 19, 2008 11:49 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chris, > > > > Yes when I say Cusp, I mean House only, but > > with a difference. Here its the Placidus Cusp, > > each Cusp having certain area of length and not > > necessarily 30 degrees apart, but may be more > > or less. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , " Chris K " > > > > > > <mercury11043@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your version of the KP approach with us. I > > have > > > briefly studied KP in the past but found its rules too confusing, > > and > > > often impossible to logically reconcile. As Therese has said, this > > > may be partially due to language issues and the writing quality of > > > some of the books. This is one reason why KP remains marginal in > > the > > > West compared with standard Parasharan astrology. > > > > > > I wonder if you may clarify something you said earlier: > > > > > > >1) Take the Placidus Cusp. > > > >2) Take the dasa and antardasa Lords. > > > >3) This Planet is placed in which Cusp and > > > > Lord of which Cusps ? (This becomes the > > > > source for the results) > > > >4) Take the StarLord in which, above planet > > > > is placed. What does the StarLord signify ? > > > > The Cusp where it is placed and the Cusps which > > > > it owns ? ( This would show the results) > > > > > > > >The above to be done for the Mahadasha lord > > > >to gauge what would be the effect of the Mahadasha > > > >predominantly . > > > >The above to be reckoned also for the antardasha > > > >Lord, since this shortens the area for which > > > >prediction is made. > > > > > > > > > When you mention house cusps in point #3, do you mean houses? > > From > > > what you have since explained the answer would seem to be " yes " but > > > I'm not completely sure. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 2:28 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Therese, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the positive feedback > > > > as I am not a authority on Kp, > > > > and a most ordinary student of KP, > > > > but since it has always benefitted me, > > > > I like to share the advantage with > > > > my fellow men and women. > > > > > > > > Now one point I would like to > > > > also state, thet these predictions did > > > > not take mo more than 5 minutes to > > > > make. Like you said marriage is a > > > > difficult matter to predict , > > > > especially when Nodes are involved > > > > and unless one knows how to read the > > > > Nodes, it would be difficult. > > > > > > > > I would try to put my study on this > > > > chart with regards to these predictions > > > > in a day or two. > > > > > > > > By the way,You would be glad to know > > > > that I am a member of Yogoda since > > > > 10 years or so, but not taken initiation > > > > of Kriya Yoga, as i do not fall worthy > > > > on scales of judgement for this, as per > > > > my own self assessment. > > > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , Therese Hamilton > > > > > > > > > > > > <eastwest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > At 05:35 PM 1/18/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > >Dear Therese. > > > > > > > > > > > >In the period you mentioned- > > > > > >Jupiter - Sun. > > > > > >1) marriage ? > > > > > >2) Health problem to father ? > > > > > >3) Breakthrough in Profession > > > > > >or some recognition? > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Hello Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > You are correct two out of three times. I was married on > > October > > > > 3, 1964. > > > > > I had obtained my first college degree in January (in Venus > > sub- > > > > period, > > > > > Venus in 10th), and had my first professional teaching job > > earning > > > > a good > > > > > salary during the Sun's sub-period. All during Venus bhukti I > > was > > > > studying > > > > > art, and then was teaching art in the Sun's period. > > > > > > > > > > I don't remember any health issue with my father, but I was > > not > > > > living with > > > > > my parents during the Sun's sub-period. I had not lived with > > my > > > > parents > > > > > since beginning college a few years earlier. > > > > > > > > > > Do you want to take another guess at the third event, or > > should I > > > > tell you? > > > > > I can easily see career success, but I'm interested in how > > you saw > > > > marrige > > > > > since the 7th house was not involved. Of course karaka Venus > > is > > > > indicated > > > > > due to Jupiter being in Venus nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > I would like to know the process you used for illness to > > father, > > > > even > > > > > though that was not one of the events. What does not work is > > just > > > > as > > > > > important as what *does* work. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Therese > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 // As with most astrology, the problem lies in interpretation of a wide > variety and often conflicting factors. How to make sense of Saturn > here? // Interpretation would depend more on the Query. 12,7,8 would suggest problems in married Life. Or Loss of Prestige, Or Loss of health and possible surgery etc.etc. On ones own assumptions one may at times go off tangent, so it is better to have the Query from the native, which manifests in the Answer and the happenning of the incident, in the figures calculated. rgrds/Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Chris, > > The Figures for Saturn are 12,7,8 > Saturn in own nakshatra . So again. 12, 7,8 > > Rahu in 11th house > Rahu in nakshatra of Mars. 1,5,10 > Rahu in sign of Venus 1,4,11 > Venus in Nakshatra of Mercury 12,3,12. > > I cannot honestly see any victory in above > figures, except the 10th house in above > figures for Political activity, > and the Planet Rahu signifying masses, > there is nothing else to suggest > Winning. > because winning must neccesitate the > 6th house essentially, which does > not come up in abve figures. > > This is the reason why I do not work > on charts of Prminent personalities, > and am skeptical ont these, because > there is no way of ascertaining their birth > times as right or wrong. Though this > is mentioned on Astrodata Bank, but how > to authenticate it ? > > I am coming up on more authentic data > given by Therese on her own chart. > We will see how Rahu produces marriage > for her ? > > You aer absolutely right about the > antardasha or subperiods. The mahadasha > or the main periods give a glimpse on > what the Native can expect on a Longer > span of period, in a nutshell. > > But what intermittent periods would > give, may worsen the effects of the > Mahadasha , or make them better, or > show entirely seperate results. Of > course these periods would be smaller > in span of time. > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > > , " Chris K " > <mercury11043@> wrote: > > > > Thanks Bhaskar. > > > > It was doubly confusing for me because so many KP practitioners use > > cuspal lords and subs. > > > > If I may ask your advice on another example. How would make sense > of > > President Bush's chart and his election wins in 2000 and 2004? I > feel > > that group members would get a better understanding of KP through > > actual cases. > > > > From my limited understanding of KP, Bush (July 6 1946 7.26 am EDT > New > > Haven, CT 41n18 72w55) was declared the winner Dec 12, 2000 just > five > > days after his Saturn-Rahu period began. > > > > Saturn is in 12th placidus house and rules placidus cusps 6, > 7,8. It > > occupies nakshatra ruled by itself which reinforces the 12th house > > theme. Rahu is in the 11th house with Uranus and although it does > > not rule any houses, its dispositor is Venus which is in the 1st > > house. Rahu is placed in a nakshatra ruled by Mars, which is in the > > second house. > > > > Therefore, we can write it this way: > > > > Saturn 12, 7,8,9 Saturn 12 > > > > Rahu 11 Venus 1 Mars 2 > > > > As with most astrology, the problem lies in interpretation of a > wide > > variety and often conflicting factors. How to make sense of Saturn > > here? With most dasha interpretation, I have found that the > > antardasha (or subperiod) usually dictates outcomes more directly > than > > the dasha which seems to operate more in the background. Rahu's > house > > assocations are mostly positive here (11, 1,2) so that broadly fits > > with a victory although I'm not sure if this conforms with your > > methodology. I look forward to your interpretation. > > > > Chris > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 11:49 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chris, > > > > > > Yes when I say Cusp, I mean House only, but > > > with a difference. Here its the Placidus Cusp, > > > each Cusp having certain area of length and not > > > necessarily 30 degrees apart, but may be more > > > or less. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " Chris K " > > > > > > > > > <mercury11043@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your version of the KP approach with > us. I > > > have > > > > briefly studied KP in the past but found its rules too > confusing, > > > and > > > > often impossible to logically reconcile. As Therese has said, > this > > > > may be partially due to language issues and the writing > quality of > > > > some of the books. This is one reason why KP remains marginal > in > > > the > > > > West compared with standard Parasharan astrology. > > > > > > > > I wonder if you may clarify something you said earlier: > > > > > > > > >1) Take the Placidus Cusp. > > > > >2) Take the dasa and antardasa Lords. > > > > >3) This Planet is placed in which Cusp and > > > > > Lord of which Cusps ? (This becomes the > > > > > source for the results) > > > > >4) Take the StarLord in which, above planet > > > > > is placed. What does the StarLord signify ? > > > > > The Cusp where it is placed and the Cusps which > > > > > it owns ? ( This would show the results) > > > > > > > > > >The above to be done for the Mahadasha lord > > > > >to gauge what would be the effect of the Mahadasha > > > > >predominantly . > > > > >The above to be reckoned also for the antardasha > > > > >Lord, since this shortens the area for which > > > > >prediction is made. > > > > > > > > > > > > When you mention house cusps in point #3, do you mean houses? > > > From > > > > what you have since explained the answer would seem to > be " yes " but > > > > I'm not completely sure. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 2:28 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Therese, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the positive feedback > > > > > as I am not a authority on Kp, > > > > > and a most ordinary student of KP, > > > > > but since it has always benefitted me, > > > > > I like to share the advantage with > > > > > my fellow men and women. > > > > > > > > > > Now one point I would like to > > > > > also state, thet these predictions did > > > > > not take mo more than 5 minutes to > > > > > make. Like you said marriage is a > > > > > difficult matter to predict , > > > > > especially when Nodes are involved > > > > > and unless one knows how to read the > > > > > Nodes, it would be difficult. > > > > > > > > > > I would try to put my study on this > > > > > chart with regards to these predictions > > > > > in a day or two. > > > > > > > > > > By the way,You would be glad to know > > > > > that I am a member of Yogoda since > > > > > 10 years or so, but not taken initiation > > > > > of Kriya Yoga, as i do not fall worthy > > > > > on scales of judgement for this, as per > > > > > my own self assessment. > > > > > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , Therese Hamilton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <eastwest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:35 PM 1/18/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > >Dear Therese. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In the period you mentioned- > > > > > > >Jupiter - Sun. > > > > > > >1) marriage ? > > > > > > >2) Health problem to father ? > > > > > > >3) Breakthrough in Profession > > > > > > >or some recognition? > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > You are correct two out of three times. I was married on > > > October > > > > > 3, 1964. > > > > > > I had obtained my first college degree in January (in > Venus > > > sub- > > > > > period, > > > > > > Venus in 10th), and had my first professional teaching job > > > earning > > > > > a good > > > > > > salary during the Sun's sub-period. All during Venus > bhukti I > > > was > > > > > studying > > > > > > art, and then was teaching art in the Sun's period. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't remember any health issue with my father, but I > was > > > not > > > > > living with > > > > > > my parents during the Sun's sub-period. I had not lived > with > > > my > > > > > parents > > > > > > since beginning college a few years earlier. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you want to take another guess at the third event, or > > > should I > > > > > tell you? > > > > > > I can easily see career success, but I'm interested in how > > > you saw > > > > > marrige > > > > > > since the 7th house was not involved. Of course karaka > Venus > > > is > > > > > indicated > > > > > > due to Jupiter being in Venus nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to know the process you used for illness to > > > father, > > > > > even > > > > > > though that was not one of the events. What does not work > is > > > just > > > > > as > > > > > > important as what *does* work. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Therese > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Hi Bhaskar, On Jan 19, 2008 1:23 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Chris, > > The Figures for Saturn are 12,7,8 > Saturn in own nakshatra . So again. 12, 7,8 Why not 9? 29Aquarius40 is the 9th Placidus cusp. > > Rahu in 11th house > Rahu in nakshatra of Mars. 1,5,10 > Rahu in sign of Venus 1,4,11 > Venus in Nakshatra of Mercury 12,3,12. So I see you flesh out all the possible houses here. I wasn't sure how far you trace out the connections. Why are you assigning the 3rd to Mercury? The 3rd Placidus house cusp is 29Leo40. This is ruled by the Sun, no? > > I cannot honestly see any victory in above > figures, except the 10th house in above > figures for Political activity, > and the Planet Rahu signifying masses, > there is nothing else to suggest > Winning. > because winning must neccesitate the > 6th house essentially, which does > not come up in abve figures. Why the 6th for winning? I know the 6th can be involved for competitions and this would include political contests and job competitions. But 10th and 11 would be more important, no? > > This is the reason why I do not work > on charts of Prminent personalities, > and am skeptical ont these, because > there is no way of ascertaining their birth > times as right or wrong. Though this > is mentioned on Astrodata Bank, but how > to authenticate it ? > The birth certificate has been documented. Thousands of astrologers have worked with time and the vast majority are happy that it is correct to within a minute or two. This may only cause difficulties for the 3rd and 9th houses because they are just 20 minutes away from the next sign. But all other chart factors are certain. > I am coming up on more authentic data > given by Therese on her own chart. > We will see how Rahu produces marriage > for her ? > > You aer absolutely right about the > antardasha or subperiods. The mahadasha > or the main periods give a glimpse on > what the Native can expect on a Longer > span of period, in a nutshell. Right. And yet dashas still invite us to make comparisons between his Jupiter period and his Saturn period. The Saturn period corresponds to the rewarding period of his life, whereas the Jupiter period was pretty bad. How would KP attempt to explain these basic differences? > > But what intermittent periods would > give, may worsen the effects of the > Mahadasha , or make them better, or > show entirely seperate results. Of > course these periods would be smaller > in span of time. > Chris > > regards, > Bhaskar. > > , " Chris K " > <mercury11043 wrote: > > > > > Thanks Bhaskar. > > > > It was doubly confusing for me because so many KP practitioners use > > cuspal lords and subs. > > > > If I may ask your advice on another example. How would make sense > of > > President Bush's chart and his election wins in 2000 and 2004? I > feel > > that group members would get a better understanding of KP through > > actual cases. > > > > From my limited understanding of KP, Bush (July 6 1946 7.26 am EDT > New > > Haven, CT 41n18 72w55) was declared the winner Dec 12, 2000 just > five > > days after his Saturn-Rahu period began. > > > > Saturn is in 12th placidus house and rules placidus cusps 6, > 7,8. It > > occupies nakshatra ruled by itself which reinforces the 12th house > > theme. Rahu is in the 11th house with Uranus and although it does > > not rule any houses, its dispositor is Venus which is in the 1st > > house. Rahu is placed in a nakshatra ruled by Mars, which is in the > > second house. > > > > Therefore, we can write it this way: > > > > Saturn 12, 7,8,9 Saturn 12 > > > > Rahu 11 Venus 1 Mars 2 > > > > As with most astrology, the problem lies in interpretation of a > wide > > variety and often conflicting factors. How to make sense of Saturn > > here? With most dasha interpretation, I have found that the > > antardasha (or subperiod) usually dictates outcomes more directly > than > > the dasha which seems to operate more in the background. Rahu's > house > > assocations are mostly positive here (11, 1,2) so that broadly fits > > with a victory although I'm not sure if this conforms with your > > methodology. I look forward to your interpretation. > > > > Chris > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 11:49 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chris, > > > > > > Yes when I say Cusp, I mean House only, but > > > with a difference. Here its the Placidus Cusp, > > > each Cusp having certain area of length and not > > > necessarily 30 degrees apart, but may be more > > > or less. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " Chris K " > > > > > > > > > <mercury11043@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your version of the KP approach with > us. I > > > have > > > > briefly studied KP in the past but found its rules too > confusing, > > > and > > > > often impossible to logically reconcile. As Therese has said, > this > > > > may be partially due to language issues and the writing > quality of > > > > some of the books. This is one reason why KP remains marginal > in > > > the > > > > West compared with standard Parasharan astrology. > > > > > > > > I wonder if you may clarify something you said earlier: > > > > > > > > >1) Take the Placidus Cusp. > > > > >2) Take the dasa and antardasa Lords. > > > > >3) This Planet is placed in which Cusp and > > > > > Lord of which Cusps ? (This becomes the > > > > > source for the results) > > > > >4) Take the StarLord in which, above planet > > > > > is placed. What does the StarLord signify ? > > > > > The Cusp where it is placed and the Cusps which > > > > > it owns ? ( This would show the results) > > > > > > > > > >The above to be done for the Mahadasha lord > > > > >to gauge what would be the effect of the Mahadasha > > > > >predominantly . > > > > >The above to be reckoned also for the antardasha > > > > >Lord, since this shortens the area for which > > > > >prediction is made. > > > > > > > > > > > > When you mention house cusps in point #3, do you mean houses? > > > From > > > > what you have since explained the answer would seem to > be " yes " but > > > > I'm not completely sure. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 2:28 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Therese, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the positive feedback > > > > > as I am not a authority on Kp, > > > > > and a most ordinary student of KP, > > > > > but since it has always benefitted me, > > > > > I like to share the advantage with > > > > > my fellow men and women. > > > > > > > > > > Now one point I would like to > > > > > also state, thet these predictions did > > > > > not take mo more than 5 minutes to > > > > > make. Like you said marriage is a > > > > > difficult matter to predict , > > > > > especially when Nodes are involved > > > > > and unless one knows how to read the > > > > > Nodes, it would be difficult. > > > > > > > > > > I would try to put my study on this > > > > > chart with regards to these predictions > > > > > in a day or two. > > > > > > > > > > By the way,You would be glad to know > > > > > that I am a member of Yogoda since > > > > > 10 years or so, but not taken initiation > > > > > of Kriya Yoga, as i do not fall worthy > > > > > on scales of judgement for this, as per > > > > > my own self assessment. > > > > > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , Therese Hamilton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <eastwest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:35 PM 1/18/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > >Dear Therese. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In the period you mentioned- > > > > > > >Jupiter - Sun. > > > > > > >1) marriage ? > > > > > > >2) Health problem to father ? > > > > > > >3) Breakthrough in Profession > > > > > > >or some recognition? > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > You are correct two out of three times. I was married on > > > October > > > > > 3, 1964. > > > > > > I had obtained my first college degree in January (in > Venus > > > sub- > > > > > period, > > > > > > Venus in 10th), and had my first professional teaching job > > > earning > > > > > a good > > > > > > salary during the Sun's sub-period. All during Venus > bhukti I > > > was > > > > > studying > > > > > > art, and then was teaching art in the Sun's period. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't remember any health issue with my father, but I > was > > > not > > > > > living with > > > > > > my parents during the Sun's sub-period. I had not lived > with > > > my > > > > > parents > > > > > > since beginning college a few years earlier. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you want to take another guess at the third event, or > > > should I > > > > > tell you? > > > > > > I can easily see career success, but I'm interested in how > > > you saw > > > > > marrige > > > > > > since the 7th house was not involved. Of course karaka > Venus > > > is > > > > > indicated > > > > > > due to Jupiter being in Venus nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to know the process you used for illness to > > > father, > > > > > even > > > > > > though that was not one of the events. What does not work > is > > > just > > > > > as > > > > > > important as what *does* work. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Therese > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 There are no intercepted signs as per chart I made. If I write 12, 7 , 8 it means Saturn placed in 12th Cusp and Lord of 7th and 8th. If it has to be lord of 9th too, which would be a rarity,then it would have to knock off some other house at the other side. I get these figures for the 1st 6 Cusps 1st Cusp Cancer 25.49.58 2nd Leo 17.28.24 3rd Virgo 14.13.15 10th Aries 16.52.43 11th Taurus 22.43.31 12th Gemini 26.33.40 Probably software or Ayanamsha problems. Please read this properly - The partner,Customer,opponentis represented by the 7th house. The Opponents Loss is represented by his 12th house , which is 6th in Our Chart. So winning whether in any Game of politics or Competetions whatever would be represented by My 6th house if I have to check whether I would win. 11th house if is also present would show favours, or gains and confirm this win. The 10th house does not suggest win, as it is 12th to the house of 11th counting anticlockwise. The 12th house if appearing would show my Loss. I am actually not interested to work on Chart of mr. Bush. Because I honestly doubt the Birth times, which if unrectified within 1-2 minutes would make a difference in Sub Lord ships ( Another aspect of KP which we can go into later, or You can learn Yourself once you finish with this). I appreciate your trying to gauge this method, and am satisfied that my hard work is not spent. rgrds/Bhaskar. , " Chris K " <mercury11043 wrote: > > Hi Bhaskar, > > On Jan 19, 2008 1:23 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chris, > > > > The Figures for Saturn are 12,7,8 > > Saturn in own nakshatra . So again. 12, 7,8 > > Why not 9? 29Aquarius40 is the 9th Placidus cusp. > > > > > Rahu in 11th house > > Rahu in nakshatra of Mars. 1,5,10 > > Rahu in sign of Venus 1,4,11 > > Venus in Nakshatra of Mercury 12,3,12. > > So I see you flesh out all the possible houses here. I wasn't sure > how far you trace out the connections. Why are you assigning the 3rd > to Mercury? The 3rd Placidus house cusp is 29Leo40. This is ruled by > the Sun, no? > > > > > I cannot honestly see any victory in above > > figures, except the 10th house in above > > figures for Political activity, > > and the Planet Rahu signifying masses, > > there is nothing else to suggest > > Winning. > > because winning must neccesitate the > > 6th house essentially, which does > > not come up in abve figures. > > Why the 6th for winning? I know the 6th can be involved for > competitions and this would include political contests and job > competitions. But 10th and 11 would be more important, no? > > > > > This is the reason why I do not work > > > on charts of Prminent personalities, > > and am skeptical ont these, because > > there is no way of ascertaining their birth > > times as right or wrong. Though this > > is mentioned on Astrodata Bank, but how > > to authenticate it ? > > > > The birth certificate has been documented. Thousands of astrologers > have worked with time and the vast majority are happy that it is > correct to within a minute or two. This may only cause difficulties > for the 3rd and 9th houses because they are just 20 minutes away from > the next sign. But all other chart factors are certain. > > > I am coming up on more authentic data > > given by Therese on her own chart. > > We will see how Rahu produces marriage > > for her ? > > > > > You aer absolutely right about the > > antardasha or subperiods. The mahadasha > > or the main periods give a glimpse on > > what the Native can expect on a Longer > > span of period, in a nutshell. > > Right. And yet dashas still invite us to make comparisons between his > Jupiter period and his Saturn period. The Saturn period corresponds to > the rewarding period of his life, whereas the Jupiter period was > pretty bad. How would KP attempt to explain these basic differences? > > > > > But what intermittent periods would > > give, may worsen the effects of the > > Mahadasha , or make them better, or > > show entirely seperate results. Of > > course these periods would be smaller > > in span of time. > > > > > Chris > > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > , " Chris K " > > <mercury11043@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks Bhaskar. > > > > > > It was doubly confusing for me because so many KP practitioners use > > > cuspal lords and subs. > > > > > > If I may ask your advice on another example. How would make sense > > of > > > President Bush's chart and his election wins in 2000 and 2004? I > > feel > > > that group members would get a better understanding of KP through > > > actual cases. > > > > > > From my limited understanding of KP, Bush (July 6 1946 7.26 am EDT > > New > > > Haven, CT 41n18 72w55) was declared the winner Dec 12, 2000 just > > five > > > days after his Saturn-Rahu period began. > > > > > > Saturn is in 12th placidus house and rules placidus cusps 6, > > 7,8. It > > > occupies nakshatra ruled by itself which reinforces the 12th house > > > theme. Rahu is in the 11th house with Uranus and although it does > > > not rule any houses, its dispositor is Venus which is in the 1st > > > house. Rahu is placed in a nakshatra ruled by Mars, which is in the > > > second house. > > > > > > Therefore, we can write it this way: > > > > > > Saturn 12, 7,8,9 Saturn 12 > > > > > > Rahu 11 Venus 1 Mars 2 > > > > > > As with most astrology, the problem lies in interpretation of a > > wide > > > variety and often conflicting factors. How to make sense of Saturn > > > here? With most dasha interpretation, I have found that the > > > antardasha (or subperiod) usually dictates outcomes more directly > > than > > > the dasha which seems to operate more in the background. Rahu's > > house > > > assocations are mostly positive here (11, 1,2) so that broadly fits > > > with a victory although I'm not sure if this conforms with your > > > methodology. I look forward to your interpretation. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 11:49 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chris, > > > > > > > > Yes when I say Cusp, I mean House only, but > > > > with a difference. Here its the Placidus Cusp, > > > > each Cusp having certain area of length and not > > > > necessarily 30 degrees apart, but may be more > > > > or less. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , " Chris K " > > > > > > > > > > > > <mercury11043@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your version of the KP approach with > > us. I > > > > have > > > > > briefly studied KP in the past but found its rules too > > confusing, > > > > and > > > > > often impossible to logically reconcile. As Therese has said, > > this > > > > > may be partially due to language issues and the writing > > quality of > > > > > some of the books. This is one reason why KP remains marginal > > in > > > > the > > > > > West compared with standard Parasharan astrology. > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if you may clarify something you said earlier: > > > > > > > > > > >1) Take the Placidus Cusp. > > > > > >2) Take the dasa and antardasa Lords. > > > > > >3) This Planet is placed in which Cusp and > > > > > > Lord of which Cusps ? (This becomes the > > > > > > source for the results) > > > > > >4) Take the StarLord in which, above planet > > > > > > is placed. What does the StarLord signify ? > > > > > > The Cusp where it is placed and the Cusps which > > > > > > it owns ? ( This would show the results) > > > > > > > > > > > >The above to be done for the Mahadasha lord > > > > > >to gauge what would be the effect of the Mahadasha > > > > > >predominantly . > > > > > >The above to be reckoned also for the antardasha > > > > > >Lord, since this shortens the area for which > > > > > >prediction is made. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you mention house cusps in point #3, do you mean houses? > > > > From > > > > > what you have since explained the answer would seem to > > be " yes " but > > > > > I'm not completely sure. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 2:28 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Therese, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the positive feedback > > > > > > as I am not a authority on Kp, > > > > > > and a most ordinary student of KP, > > > > > > but since it has always benefitted me, > > > > > > I like to share the advantage with > > > > > > my fellow men and women. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now one point I would like to > > > > > > also state, thet these predictions did > > > > > > not take mo more than 5 minutes to > > > > > > make. Like you said marriage is a > > > > > > difficult matter to predict , > > > > > > especially when Nodes are involved > > > > > > and unless one knows how to read the > > > > > > Nodes, it would be difficult. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would try to put my study on this > > > > > > chart with regards to these predictions > > > > > > in a day or two. > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way,You would be glad to know > > > > > > that I am a member of Yogoda since > > > > > > 10 years or so, but not taken initiation > > > > > > of Kriya Yoga, as i do not fall worthy > > > > > > on scales of judgement for this, as per > > > > > > my own self assessment. > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Therese Hamilton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <eastwest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:35 PM 1/18/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > >Dear Therese. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In the period you mentioned- > > > > > > > >Jupiter - Sun. > > > > > > > >1) marriage ? > > > > > > > >2) Health problem to father ? > > > > > > > >3) Breakthrough in Profession > > > > > > > >or some recognition? > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are correct two out of three times. I was married on > > > > October > > > > > > 3, 1964. > > > > > > > I had obtained my first college degree in January (in > > Venus > > > > sub- > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > Venus in 10th), and had my first professional teaching job > > > > earning > > > > > > a good > > > > > > > salary during the Sun's sub-period. All during Venus > > bhukti I > > > > was > > > > > > studying > > > > > > > art, and then was teaching art in the Sun's period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't remember any health issue with my father, but I > > was > > > > not > > > > > > living with > > > > > > > my parents during the Sun's sub-period. I had not lived > > with > > > > my > > > > > > parents > > > > > > > since beginning college a few years earlier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you want to take another guess at the third event, or > > > > should I > > > > > > tell you? > > > > > > > I can easily see career success, but I'm interested in how > > > > you saw > > > > > > marrige > > > > > > > since the 7th house was not involved. Of course karaka > > Venus > > > > is > > > > > > indicated > > > > > > > due to Jupiter being in Venus nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to know the process you used for illness to > > > > father, > > > > > > even > > > > > > > though that was not one of the events. What does not work > > is > > > > just > > > > > > as > > > > > > > important as what *does* work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Therese > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Will go to sleep now. Feeling sleepy. Cant work on chart of Therese now. Its already past midnight here in Bombay and cannot excersise much the mind which is already exhausted. I am using Kp on these Forums for last few months, and You can Yourself judge from the responses how it works. Jyotish remedies Jyotish Group Jyotish Vidya regards, Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > There are no intercepted signs as per > chart I made. > If I write 12, 7 , 8 > it means Saturn placed in 12th Cusp and > Lord of 7th and 8th. > > If it has to be lord of 9th too, which > would be a rarity,then it would have > to knock off some other house at the > other side. > > I get these figures for the 1st 6 > Cusps > > 1st Cusp Cancer 25.49.58 > 2nd Leo 17.28.24 > 3rd Virgo 14.13.15 > 10th Aries 16.52.43 > 11th Taurus 22.43.31 > 12th Gemini 26.33.40 > > Probably software or Ayanamsha problems. > > Please read this properly - > The partner,Customer,opponentis represented > by the 7th house. > The Opponents Loss is represented by his > 12th house , which is 6th in Our Chart. > So winning whether in any Game of politics > or Competetions whatever would be represented > by My 6th house if I have to check whether > I would win. 11th house if is also > present would show favours, or gains > and confirm this win. > > The 10th house does not suggest win, > as it is 12th to the house of 11th > counting anticlockwise. > > The 12th house if appearing would show my Loss. > > I am actually not interested to work on Chart > of mr. Bush. Because I honestly doubt the > Birth times, which if unrectified > within 1-2 minutes would make a difference > in Sub Lord ships ( Another aspect of KP > which we can go into later, > or You can learn Yourself once you > finish with this). > > I appreciate your trying to gauge this method, > and am satisfied that my hard work is not spent. > > rgrds/Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " Chris K " > <mercury11043@> wrote: > > > > Hi Bhaskar, > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 1:23 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chris, > > > > > > The Figures for Saturn are 12,7,8 > > > Saturn in own nakshatra . So again. 12, 7,8 > > > > Why not 9? 29Aquarius40 is the 9th Placidus cusp. > > > > > > > > Rahu in 11th house > > > Rahu in nakshatra of Mars. 1,5,10 > > > Rahu in sign of Venus 1,4,11 > > > Venus in Nakshatra of Mercury 12,3,12. > > > > So I see you flesh out all the possible houses here. I wasn't > sure > > how far you trace out the connections. Why are you assigning the > 3rd > > to Mercury? The 3rd Placidus house cusp is 29Leo40. This is > ruled by > > the Sun, no? > > > > > > > > I cannot honestly see any victory in above > > > figures, except the 10th house in above > > > figures for Political activity, > > > and the Planet Rahu signifying masses, > > > there is nothing else to suggest > > > Winning. > > > because winning must neccesitate the > > > 6th house essentially, which does > > > not come up in abve figures. > > > > Why the 6th for winning? I know the 6th can be involved for > > competitions and this would include political contests and job > > competitions. But 10th and 11 would be more important, no? > > > > > > > > This is the reason why I do not work > > > > > on charts of Prminent personalities, > > > and am skeptical ont these, because > > > there is no way of ascertaining their birth > > > times as right or wrong. Though this > > > is mentioned on Astrodata Bank, but how > > > to authenticate it ? > > > > > > > The birth certificate has been documented. Thousands of > astrologers > > have worked with time and the vast majority are happy that it is > > correct to within a minute or two. This may only cause > difficulties > > for the 3rd and 9th houses because they are just 20 minutes away > from > > the next sign. But all other chart factors are certain. > > > > > I am coming up on more authentic data > > > given by Therese on her own chart. > > > We will see how Rahu produces marriage > > > for her ? > > > > > > > > You aer absolutely right about the > > > antardasha or subperiods. The mahadasha > > > or the main periods give a glimpse on > > > what the Native can expect on a Longer > > > span of period, in a nutshell. > > > > Right. And yet dashas still invite us to make comparisons between > his > > Jupiter period and his Saturn period. The Saturn period > corresponds to > > the rewarding period of his life, whereas the Jupiter period was > > pretty bad. How would KP attempt to explain these basic > differences? > > > > > > > > But what intermittent periods would > > > give, may worsen the effects of the > > > Mahadasha , or make them better, or > > > show entirely seperate results. Of > > > course these periods would be smaller > > > in span of time. > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " Chris K " > > > <mercury11043@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > It was doubly confusing for me because so many KP > practitioners use > > > > cuspal lords and subs. > > > > > > > > If I may ask your advice on another example. How would make > sense > > > of > > > > President Bush's chart and his election wins in 2000 and > 2004? I > > > feel > > > > that group members would get a better understanding of KP > through > > > > actual cases. > > > > > > > > From my limited understanding of KP, Bush (July 6 1946 7.26 > am EDT > > > New > > > > Haven, CT 41n18 72w55) was declared the winner Dec 12, 2000 > just > > > five > > > > days after his Saturn-Rahu period began. > > > > > > > > Saturn is in 12th placidus house and rules placidus cusps 6, > > > 7,8. It > > > > occupies nakshatra ruled by itself which reinforces the 12th > house > > > > theme. Rahu is in the 11th house with Uranus and although it > does > > > > not rule any houses, its dispositor is Venus which is in the > 1st > > > > house. Rahu is placed in a nakshatra ruled by Mars, which is > in the > > > > second house. > > > > > > > > Therefore, we can write it this way: > > > > > > > > Saturn 12, 7,8,9 Saturn 12 > > > > > > > > Rahu 11 Venus 1 Mars 2 > > > > > > > > As with most astrology, the problem lies in interpretation of > a > > > wide > > > > variety and often conflicting factors. How to make sense of > Saturn > > > > here? With most dasha interpretation, I have found that the > > > > antardasha (or subperiod) usually dictates outcomes more > directly > > > than > > > > the dasha which seems to operate more in the background. > Rahu's > > > house > > > > assocations are mostly positive here (11, 1,2) so that > broadly fits > > > > with a victory although I'm not sure if this conforms with > your > > > > methodology. I look forward to your interpretation. > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 11:49 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chris, > > > > > > > > > > Yes when I say Cusp, I mean House only, but > > > > > with a difference. Here its the Placidus Cusp, > > > > > each Cusp having certain area of length and not > > > > > necessarily 30 degrees apart, but may be more > > > > > or less. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " Chris K " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mercury11043@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your version of the KP approach with > > > us. I > > > > > have > > > > > > briefly studied KP in the past but found its rules too > > > confusing, > > > > > and > > > > > > often impossible to logically reconcile. As Therese has > said, > > > this > > > > > > may be partially due to language issues and the writing > > > quality of > > > > > > some of the books. This is one reason why KP remains > marginal > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > West compared with standard Parasharan astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if you may clarify something you said earlier: > > > > > > > > > > > > >1) Take the Placidus Cusp. > > > > > > >2) Take the dasa and antardasa Lords. > > > > > > >3) This Planet is placed in which Cusp and > > > > > > > Lord of which Cusps ? (This becomes the > > > > > > > source for the results) > > > > > > >4) Take the StarLord in which, above planet > > > > > > > is placed. What does the StarLord signify ? > > > > > > > The Cusp where it is placed and the Cusps which > > > > > > > it owns ? ( This would show the results) > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The above to be done for the Mahadasha lord > > > > > > >to gauge what would be the effect of the Mahadasha > > > > > > >predominantly . > > > > > > >The above to be reckoned also for the antardasha > > > > > > >Lord, since this shortens the area for which > > > > > > >prediction is made. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you mention house cusps in point #3, do you mean > houses? > > > > > From > > > > > > what you have since explained the answer would seem to > > > be " yes " but > > > > > > I'm not completely sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 2:28 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Therese, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the positive feedback > > > > > > > as I am not a authority on Kp, > > > > > > > and a most ordinary student of KP, > > > > > > > but since it has always benefitted me, > > > > > > > I like to share the advantage with > > > > > > > my fellow men and women. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now one point I would like to > > > > > > > also state, thet these predictions did > > > > > > > not take mo more than 5 minutes to > > > > > > > make. Like you said marriage is a > > > > > > > difficult matter to predict , > > > > > > > especially when Nodes are involved > > > > > > > and unless one knows how to read the > > > > > > > Nodes, it would be difficult. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would try to put my study on this > > > > > > > chart with regards to these predictions > > > > > > > in a day or two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way,You would be glad to know > > > > > > > that I am a member of Yogoda since > > > > > > > 10 years or so, but not taken initiation > > > > > > > of Kriya Yoga, as i do not fall worthy > > > > > > > on scales of judgement for this, as per > > > > > > > my own self assessment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Therese > Hamilton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <eastwest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:35 PM 1/18/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > >Dear Therese. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In the period you mentioned- > > > > > > > > >Jupiter - Sun. > > > > > > > > >1) marriage ? > > > > > > > > >2) Health problem to father ? > > > > > > > > >3) Breakthrough in Profession > > > > > > > > >or some recognition? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are correct two out of three times. I was married > on > > > > > October > > > > > > > 3, 1964. > > > > > > > > I had obtained my first college degree in January (in > > > Venus > > > > > sub- > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > Venus in 10th), and had my first professional > teaching job > > > > > earning > > > > > > > a good > > > > > > > > salary during the Sun's sub-period. All during Venus > > > bhukti I > > > > > was > > > > > > > studying > > > > > > > > art, and then was teaching art in the Sun's period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't remember any health issue with my father, but > I > > > was > > > > > not > > > > > > > living with > > > > > > > > my parents during the Sun's sub-period. I had not > lived > > > with > > > > > my > > > > > > > parents > > > > > > > > since beginning college a few years earlier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you want to take another guess at the third event, > or > > > > > should I > > > > > > > tell you? > > > > > > > > I can easily see career success, but I'm interested > in how > > > > > you saw > > > > > > > marrige > > > > > > > > since the 7th house was not involved. Of course karaka > > > Venus > > > > > is > > > > > > > indicated > > > > > > > > due to Jupiter being in Venus nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to know the process you used for illness > to > > > > > father, > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > though that was not one of the events. What does not > work > > > is > > > > > just > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > important as what *does* work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Therese > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 On Jan 19, 2008 1:59 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: There are no intercepted signs as per > chart I made. > If I write 12, 7 , 8 > it means Saturn placed in 12th Cusp and > Lord of 7th and 8th. > > If it has to be lord of 9th too, which > would be a rarity,then it would have > to knock off some other house at the > other side. > > I get these figures for the 1st 6 > Cusps > > 1st Cusp Cancer 25.49.58 > 2nd Leo 17.28.24 > 3rd Virgo 14.13.15 > 10th Aries 16.52.43 > 11th Taurus 22.43.31 > 12th Gemini 26.33.40 I think you may not be using daylight savings time. The correct ascendant is 14 Cancer 07 using Krishnamurti ayanamsha. > > Probably software or Ayanamsha problems. > > Please read this properly - > The partner,Customer,opponentis represented > by the 7th house. > The Opponents Loss is represented by his > 12th house , which is 6th in Our Chart. > So winning whether in any Game of politics > or Competetions whatever would be represented > by My 6th house if I have to check whether > I would win. 11th house if is also > present would show favours, or gains > and confirm this win. Thank you for clarifying that point. It does remind me of the KP way of thinking. > > The 10th house does not suggest win, > as it is 12th to the house of 11th > counting anticlockwise. > > The 12th house if appearing would show my Loss. > > I am actually not interested to work on Chart > of mr. Bush. Because I honestly doubt the > Birth times, which if unrectified > within 1-2 minutes would make a difference > in Sub Lord ships ( Another aspect of KP > which we can go into later, > or You can learn Yourself once you > finish with this). Fair enough. But is there any chart in existence whose accuracy cannot be called into question? This is one of the problems I had with KP. On one hand, I sense that 1-2 minute differences really do tell the tale in astrology. But for time differences of 1 or 2 minutes, there will always be room for doubt, even for private individuals' charts. Chris > > I appreciate your trying to gauge this method, > and am satisfied that my hard work is not spent. > > rgrds/Bhaskar. > > > , " Chris K " > <mercury11043 wrote: > > > > Hi Bhaskar, > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 1:23 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chris, > > > > > > The Figures for Saturn are 12,7,8 > > > Saturn in own nakshatra . So again. 12, 7,8 > > > > Why not 9? 29Aquarius40 is the 9th Placidus cusp. > > > > > > > > Rahu in 11th house > > > Rahu in nakshatra of Mars. 1,5,10 > > > Rahu in sign of Venus 1,4,11 > > > Venus in Nakshatra of Mercury 12,3,12. > > > > So I see you flesh out all the possible houses here. I wasn't > sure > > how far you trace out the connections. Why are you assigning the > 3rd > > to Mercury? The 3rd Placidus house cusp is 29Leo40. This is > ruled by > > the Sun, no? > > > > > > > > I cannot honestly see any victory in above > > > figures, except the 10th house in above > > > figures for Political activity, > > > and the Planet Rahu signifying masses, > > > there is nothing else to suggest > > > Winning. > > > because winning must neccesitate the > > > 6th house essentially, which does > > > not come up in abve figures. > > > > Why the 6th for winning? I know the 6th can be involved for > > competitions and this would include political contests and job > > competitions. But 10th and 11 would be more important, no? > > > > > > > > This is the reason why I do not work > > > > > on charts of Prminent personalities, > > > and am skeptical ont these, because > > > there is no way of ascertaining their birth > > > times as right or wrong. Though this > > > is mentioned on Astrodata Bank, but how > > > to authenticate it ? > > > > > > > The birth certificate has been documented. Thousands of > astrologers > > have worked with time and the vast majority are happy that it is > > correct to within a minute or two. This may only cause > difficulties > > for the 3rd and 9th houses because they are just 20 minutes away > from > > the next sign. But all other chart factors are certain. > > > > > I am coming up on more authentic data > > > given by Therese on her own chart. > > > We will see how Rahu produces marriage > > > for her ? > > > > > > > > You aer absolutely right about the > > > antardasha or subperiods. The mahadasha > > > or the main periods give a glimpse on > > > what the Native can expect on a Longer > > > span of period, in a nutshell. > > > > Right. And yet dashas still invite us to make comparisons between > his > > Jupiter period and his Saturn period. The Saturn period > corresponds to > > the rewarding period of his life, whereas the Jupiter period was > > pretty bad. How would KP attempt to explain these basic > differences? > > > > > > > > But what intermittent periods would > > > give, may worsen the effects of the > > > Mahadasha , or make them better, or > > > show entirely seperate results. Of > > > course these periods would be smaller > > > in span of time. > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " Chris K " > > > <mercury11043@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > It was doubly confusing for me because so many KP > practitioners use > > > > cuspal lords and subs. > > > > > > > > If I may ask your advice on another example. How would make > sense > > > of > > > > President Bush's chart and his election wins in 2000 and > 2004? I > > > feel > > > > that group members would get a better understanding of KP > through > > > > actual cases. > > > > > > > > From my limited understanding of KP, Bush (July 6 1946 7.26 > am EDT > > > New > > > > Haven, CT 41n18 72w55) was declared the winner Dec 12, 2000 > just > > > five > > > > days after his Saturn-Rahu period began. > > > > > > > > Saturn is in 12th placidus house and rules placidus cusps 6, > > > 7,8. It > > > > occupies nakshatra ruled by itself which reinforces the 12th > house > > > > theme. Rahu is in the 11th house with Uranus and although it > does > > > > not rule any houses, its dispositor is Venus which is in the > 1st > > > > house. Rahu is placed in a nakshatra ruled by Mars, which is > in the > > > > second house. > > > > > > > > Therefore, we can write it this way: > > > > > > > > Saturn 12, 7,8,9 Saturn 12 > > > > > > > > Rahu 11 Venus 1 Mars 2 > > > > > > > > As with most astrology, the problem lies in interpretation of > a > > > wide > > > > variety and often conflicting factors. How to make sense of > Saturn > > > > here? With most dasha interpretation, I have found that the > > > > antardasha (or subperiod) usually dictates outcomes more > directly > > > than > > > > the dasha which seems to operate more in the background. > Rahu's > > > house > > > > assocations are mostly positive here (11, 1,2) so that > broadly fits > > > > with a victory although I'm not sure if this conforms with > your > > > > methodology. I look forward to your interpretation. > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 11:49 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chris, > > > > > > > > > > Yes when I say Cusp, I mean House only, but > > > > > with a difference. Here its the Placidus Cusp, > > > > > each Cusp having certain area of length and not > > > > > necessarily 30 degrees apart, but may be more > > > > > or less. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " Chris K " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mercury11043@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your version of the KP approach with > > > us. I > > > > > have > > > > > > briefly studied KP in the past but found its rules too > > > confusing, > > > > > and > > > > > > often impossible to logically reconcile. As Therese has > said, > > > this > > > > > > may be partially due to language issues and the writing > > > quality of > > > > > > some of the books. This is one reason why KP remains > marginal > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > West compared with standard Parasharan astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if you may clarify something you said earlier: > > > > > > > > > > > > >1) Take the Placidus Cusp. > > > > > > >2) Take the dasa and antardasa Lords. > > > > > > >3) This Planet is placed in which Cusp and > > > > > > > Lord of which Cusps ? (This becomes the > > > > > > > source for the results) > > > > > > >4) Take the StarLord in which, above planet > > > > > > > is placed. What does the StarLord signify ? > > > > > > > The Cusp where it is placed and the Cusps which > > > > > > > it owns ? ( This would show the results) > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The above to be done for the Mahadasha lord > > > > > > >to gauge what would be the effect of the Mahadasha > > > > > > >predominantly . > > > > > > >The above to be reckoned also for the antardasha > > > > > > >Lord, since this shortens the area for which > > > > > > >prediction is made. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you mention house cusps in point #3, do you mean > houses? > > > > > From > > > > > > what you have since explained the answer would seem to > > > be " yes " but > > > > > > I'm not completely sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 2:28 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Therese, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the positive feedback > > > > > > > as I am not a authority on Kp, > > > > > > > and a most ordinary student of KP, > > > > > > > but since it has always benefitted me, > > > > > > > I like to share the advantage with > > > > > > > my fellow men and women. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now one point I would like to > > > > > > > also state, thet these predictions did > > > > > > > not take mo more than 5 minutes to > > > > > > > make. Like you said marriage is a > > > > > > > difficult matter to predict , > > > > > > > especially when Nodes are involved > > > > > > > and unless one knows how to read the > > > > > > > Nodes, it would be difficult. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would try to put my study on this > > > > > > > chart with regards to these predictions > > > > > > > in a day or two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way,You would be glad to know > > > > > > > that I am a member of Yogoda since > > > > > > > 10 years or so, but not taken initiation > > > > > > > of Kriya Yoga, as i do not fall worthy > > > > > > > on scales of judgement for this, as per > > > > > > > my own self assessment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Therese > Hamilton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <eastwest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:35 PM 1/18/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > >Dear Therese. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In the period you mentioned- > > > > > > > > >Jupiter - Sun. > > > > > > > > >1) marriage ? > > > > > > > > >2) Health problem to father ? > > > > > > > > >3) Breakthrough in Profession > > > > > > > > >or some recognition? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are correct two out of three times. I was married > on > > > > > October > > > > > > > 3, 1964. > > > > > > > > I had obtained my first college degree in January (in > > > Venus > > > > > sub- > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > Venus in 10th), and had my first professional > teaching job > > > > > earning > > > > > > > a good > > > > > > > > salary during the Sun's sub-period. All during Venus > > > bhukti I > > > > > was > > > > > > > studying > > > > > > > > art, and then was teaching art in the Sun's period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't remember any health issue with my father, but > I > > > was > > > > > not > > > > > > > living with > > > > > > > > my parents during the Sun's sub-period. I had not > lived > > > with > > > > > my > > > > > > > parents > > > > > > > > since beginning college a few years earlier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you want to take another guess at the third event, > or > > > > > should I > > > > > > > tell you? > > > > > > > > I can easily see career success, but I'm interested > in how > > > > > you saw > > > > > > > marrige > > > > > > > > since the 7th house was not involved. Of course karaka > > > Venus > > > > > is > > > > > > > indicated > > > > > > > > due to Jupiter being in Venus nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to know the process you used for illness > to > > > > > father, > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > though that was not one of the events. What does not > work > > > is > > > > > just > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > important as what *does* work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Therese > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Dear Chris, This was harpering on my mind. Closed the PC went to sleep,. Got up after 15 minutes and again came back. // Fair enough. But is there any chart in existence whose accuracy cannot be called into question? This is one of the problems I had with KP. On one hand, I sense that 1-2 minute differences really do tell the tale in astrology. But for time differences of 1 or 2 minutes, there will always be room for doubt, even for private individuals' charts.// I am a Professional astrologer. If My Client is interested I always try to rectify the timings of Birth. But not on Public Forums, where this is mostly a thankless job, for solving queries of Natives coming with Problems like swarms. Yes there is chances 90% of the times that there would be difference of 1-2 minutes in individual charts, which is why Horary is used liberally as there is no chance of such lapses. // I think you may not be using daylight savings time. The correct ascendant is 14 Cancer 07 using Krishnamurti ayanamsha. // You are right. I did not . Remembered initially but forgot later.This happens at the end of the day when one is tired. Also doing Indian charts 99 out of 100 so dont remember the concept of DST,which is not here in India. The equation has changed now. (Sorry my mistake) Saturn -12,7,8,9 Saturn 12,7,8,9 Rahu 11, Mars - 2,5,10 Venus 1,4, 11 - This matches now to the results you mentioned. Here 11th, 2nd and 10th show the Advantages received through Political endevaours., if one should ask the question ( Had George Bush asked this at that point of time). Now I am satisfied. thank You. For clearing this matter to a proper end. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " Chris K " <mercury11043 wrote: > > On Jan 19, 2008 1:59 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no intercepted signs as per > > chart I made. > > If I write 12, 7 , 8 > > it means Saturn placed in 12th Cusp and > > Lord of 7th and 8th. > > > > If it has to be lord of 9th too, which > > would be a rarity,then it would have > > to knock off some other house at the > > other side. > > > > I get these figures for the 1st 6 > > Cusps > > > > 1st Cusp Cancer 25.49.58 > > 2nd Leo 17.28.24 > > 3rd Virgo 14.13.15 > > 10th Aries 16.52.43 > > 11th Taurus 22.43.31 > > 12th Gemini 26.33.40 > > I think you may not be using daylight savings time. The correct > ascendant is 14 Cancer 07 using Krishnamurti ayanamsha. > > > > > > > Probably software or Ayanamsha problems. > > > > Please read this properly - > > The partner,Customer,opponentis represented > > by the 7th house. > > The Opponents Loss is represented by his > > 12th house , which is 6th in Our Chart. > > So winning whether in any Game of politics > > or Competetions whatever would be represented > > by My 6th house if I have to check whether > > I would win. 11th house if is also > > present would show favours, or gains > > and confirm this win. > > Thank you for clarifying that point. It does remind me of the KP way > of thinking. > > > > > The 10th house does not suggest win, > > as it is 12th to the house of 11th > > counting anticlockwise. > > > > The 12th house if appearing would show my Loss. > > > > I am actually not interested to work on Chart > > of mr. Bush. Because I honestly doubt the > > Birth times, which if unrectified > > within 1-2 minutes would make a difference > > in Sub Lord ships ( Another aspect of KP > > which we can go into later, > > or You can learn Yourself once you > > finish with this). > > Fair enough. But is there any chart in existence whose accuracy > cannot be called into question? This is one of the problems I had > with KP. On one hand, I sense that 1-2 minute differences really do > tell the tale in astrology. But for time differences of 1 or 2 > minutes, there will always be room for doubt, even for private > individuals' charts. > > Chris > > > > > I appreciate your trying to gauge this method, > > and am satisfied that my hard work is not spent. > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " Chris K " > > <mercury11043@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 1:23 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chris, > > > > > > > > The Figures for Saturn are 12,7,8 > > > > Saturn in own nakshatra . So again. 12, 7,8 > > > > > > Why not 9? 29Aquarius40 is the 9th Placidus cusp. > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in 11th house > > > > Rahu in nakshatra of Mars. 1,5,10 > > > > Rahu in sign of Venus 1,4,11 > > > > Venus in Nakshatra of Mercury 12,3,12. > > > > > > So I see you flesh out all the possible houses here. I wasn't > > sure > > > how far you trace out the connections. Why are you assigning the > > 3rd > > > to Mercury? The 3rd Placidus house cusp is 29Leo40. This is > > ruled by > > > the Sun, no? > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot honestly see any victory in above > > > > figures, except the 10th house in above > > > > figures for Political activity, > > > > and the Planet Rahu signifying masses, > > > > there is nothing else to suggest > > > > Winning. > > > > because winning must neccesitate the > > > > 6th house essentially, which does > > > > not come up in abve figures. > > > > > > Why the 6th for winning? I know the 6th can be involved for > > > competitions and this would include political contests and job > > > competitions. But 10th and 11 would be more important, no? > > > > > > > > > > > This is the reason why I do not work > > > > > > > on charts of Prminent personalities, > > > > and am skeptical ont these, because > > > > there is no way of ascertaining their birth > > > > times as right or wrong. Though this > > > > is mentioned on Astrodata Bank, but how > > > > to authenticate it ? > > > > > > > > > > The birth certificate has been documented. Thousands of > > astrologers > > > have worked with time and the vast majority are happy that it is > > > correct to within a minute or two. This may only cause > > difficulties > > > for the 3rd and 9th houses because they are just 20 minutes away > > from > > > the next sign. But all other chart factors are certain. > > > > > > > I am coming up on more authentic data > > > > given by Therese on her own chart. > > > > We will see how Rahu produces marriage > > > > for her ? > > > > > > > > > > > You aer absolutely right about the > > > > antardasha or subperiods. The mahadasha > > > > or the main periods give a glimpse on > > > > what the Native can expect on a Longer > > > > span of period, in a nutshell. > > > > > > Right. And yet dashas still invite us to make comparisons between > > his > > > Jupiter period and his Saturn period. The Saturn period > > corresponds to > > > the rewarding period of his life, whereas the Jupiter period was > > > pretty bad. How would KP attempt to explain these basic > > differences? > > > > > > > > > > > But what intermittent periods would > > > > give, may worsen the effects of the > > > > Mahadasha , or make them better, or > > > > show entirely seperate results. Of > > > > course these periods would be smaller > > > > in span of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , " Chris K " > > > > <mercury11043@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > It was doubly confusing for me because so many KP > > practitioners use > > > > > cuspal lords and subs. > > > > > > > > > > If I may ask your advice on another example. How would make > > sense > > > > of > > > > > President Bush's chart and his election wins in 2000 and > > 2004? I > > > > feel > > > > > that group members would get a better understanding of KP > > through > > > > > actual cases. > > > > > > > > > > From my limited understanding of KP, Bush (July 6 1946 7.26 > > am EDT > > > > New > > > > > Haven, CT 41n18 72w55) was declared the winner Dec 12, 2000 > > just > > > > five > > > > > days after his Saturn-Rahu period began. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is in 12th placidus house and rules placidus cusps 6, > > > > 7,8. It > > > > > occupies nakshatra ruled by itself which reinforces the 12th > > house > > > > > theme. Rahu is in the 11th house with Uranus and although it > > does > > > > > not rule any houses, its dispositor is Venus which is in the > > 1st > > > > > house. Rahu is placed in a nakshatra ruled by Mars, which is > > in the > > > > > second house. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, we can write it this way: > > > > > > > > > > Saturn 12, 7,8,9 Saturn 12 > > > > > > > > > > Rahu 11 Venus 1 Mars 2 > > > > > > > > > > As with most astrology, the problem lies in interpretation of > > a > > > > wide > > > > > variety and often conflicting factors. How to make sense of > > Saturn > > > > > here? With most dasha interpretation, I have found that the > > > > > antardasha (or subperiod) usually dictates outcomes more > > directly > > > > than > > > > > the dasha which seems to operate more in the background. > > Rahu's > > > > house > > > > > assocations are mostly positive here (11, 1,2) so that > > broadly fits > > > > > with a victory although I'm not sure if this conforms with > > your > > > > > methodology. I look forward to your interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 11:49 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chris, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes when I say Cusp, I mean House only, but > > > > > > with a difference. Here its the Placidus Cusp, > > > > > > each Cusp having certain area of length and not > > > > > > necessarily 30 degrees apart, but may be more > > > > > > or less. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Chris K " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mercury11043@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your version of the KP approach with > > > > us. I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > briefly studied KP in the past but found its rules too > > > > confusing, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > often impossible to logically reconcile. As Therese has > > said, > > > > this > > > > > > > may be partially due to language issues and the writing > > > > quality of > > > > > > > some of the books. This is one reason why KP remains > > marginal > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > West compared with standard Parasharan astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if you may clarify something you said earlier: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >1) Take the Placidus Cusp. > > > > > > > >2) Take the dasa and antardasa Lords. > > > > > > > >3) This Planet is placed in which Cusp and > > > > > > > > Lord of which Cusps ? (This becomes the > > > > > > > > source for the results) > > > > > > > >4) Take the StarLord in which, above planet > > > > > > > > is placed. What does the StarLord signify ? > > > > > > > > The Cusp where it is placed and the Cusps which > > > > > > > > it owns ? ( This would show the results) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The above to be done for the Mahadasha lord > > > > > > > >to gauge what would be the effect of the Mahadasha > > > > > > > >predominantly . > > > > > > > >The above to be reckoned also for the antardasha > > > > > > > >Lord, since this shortens the area for which > > > > > > > >prediction is made. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you mention house cusps in point #3, do you mean > > houses? > > > > > > From > > > > > > > what you have since explained the answer would seem to > > > > be " yes " but > > > > > > > I'm not completely sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 2:28 AM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Therese, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the positive feedback > > > > > > > > as I am not a authority on Kp, > > > > > > > > and a most ordinary student of KP, > > > > > > > > but since it has always benefitted me, > > > > > > > > I like to share the advantage with > > > > > > > > my fellow men and women. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now one point I would like to > > > > > > > > also state, thet these predictions did > > > > > > > > not take mo more than 5 minutes to > > > > > > > > make. Like you said marriage is a > > > > > > > > difficult matter to predict , > > > > > > > > especially when Nodes are involved > > > > > > > > and unless one knows how to read the > > > > > > > > Nodes, it would be difficult. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would try to put my study on this > > > > > > > > chart with regards to these predictions > > > > > > > > in a day or two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way,You would be glad to know > > > > > > > > that I am a member of Yogoda since > > > > > > > > 10 years or so, but not taken initiation > > > > > > > > of Kriya Yoga, as i do not fall worthy > > > > > > > > on scales of judgement for this, as per > > > > > > > > my own self assessment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Therese > > Hamilton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <eastwest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:35 PM 1/18/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Dear Therese. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In the period you mentioned- > > > > > > > > > >Jupiter - Sun. > > > > > > > > > >1) marriage ? > > > > > > > > > >2) Health problem to father ? > > > > > > > > > >3) Breakthrough in Profession > > > > > > > > > >or some recognition? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are correct two out of three times. I was married > > on > > > > > > October > > > > > > > > 3, 1964. > > > > > > > > > I had obtained my first college degree in January (in > > > > Venus > > > > > > sub- > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > Venus in 10th), and had my first professional > > teaching job > > > > > > earning > > > > > > > > a good > > > > > > > > > salary during the Sun's sub-period. All during Venus > > > > bhukti I > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > studying > > > > > > > > > art, and then was teaching art in the Sun's period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't remember any health issue with my father, but > > I > > > > was > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > living with > > > > > > > > > my parents during the Sun's sub-period. I had not > > lived > > > > with > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > parents > > > > > > > > > since beginning college a few years earlier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you want to take another guess at the third event, > > or > > > > > > should I > > > > > > > > tell you? > > > > > > > > > I can easily see career success, but I'm interested > > in how > > > > > > you saw > > > > > > > > marrige > > > > > > > > > since the 7th house was not involved. Of course karaka > > > > Venus > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > indicated > > > > > > > > > due to Jupiter being in Venus nakshatra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to know the process you used for illness > > to > > > > > > father, > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > though that was not one of the events. What does not > > work > > > > is > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > important as what *does* work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Therese > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 At 07:28 AM 1/19/08 -0000, Bhaskar wrote: >Dear Therese, > >By the way,You would be glad to know >that I am a member of Yogoda since >10 years or so, but not taken initiation >of Kriya Yoga, as i do not fall worthy >on scales of judgement for this, as per >my own self assessment. My goodness, Bhaskar, we are all worthy!! We all came from the same source--the Divine. Anyway, in my experience, Kriya takes some effort, and it takes a while before it is effortless and enjoyable. Acutally I found it rather difficult until I could practice the higher kriyas, which somehow made the first kriya easier. There's really no excuse not to begin burning up karmic seeds *now.* That is, unless you enjoy the prospect of a few more hundred or thousand lives on the earth. (As per Vedic teachings.) Kriya will assure that all that is not necessary in your life will begin falling away. Blessings, Therese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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